Guild Wars 2

Almostfaceman.1804:

A thief just solo’d a champion and his crew at a tower. That, my friends, is broken. No class and no one person should be able to take that down, it should be designed to take a team of folks to do it.

What about the Elemental who can ride the lightning into the lords room in a tower without breaking down the wall or door and solo the champ and his minions. They should reduce the distance of RTL by half and nerf ele’s dps.

GameRex.8735:

Stealth is a broken mechanism.
Arena Net give nothing against it, it is a HUGE mistake. Thief and Menser can’t lose a one vs one, if they are losing -> Stealth -> They are no more losing.

Running from a fight is losing the fight. The only difference with this is the winner does not get the bag at the end.

I am glad this topic is resurrected. if you notice there is an 18 day lapse between posts on page 5. I just would like to have a response as to whether this is an exploit or not. If it is not an exploit then my low level warrior is getting built towards the leg specialist trait. If it is one, this whole thread should be erased based on the forums TOS. The problem here is that even the mods do not know whether it is a bug/exploit so how can we as players know.

I just do not want this topic to die like it almost did there until we have an answer.

Sarrs.4831:

I did this earlier, on my own. The other team’s guys spread out so I could only pin down one person at a time, but I almost killed them.

It’s a very powerful effect. I can see how it’d be very dangerous in the status quo environment of “lol stack up to avoid the AOE cap”, and it might even be OP outside of that, but it seems like a very strong way to discourage zerging. It’s an AOE; it’s supposed to destroy anything in its area of effect.

Less piddling 5-cap aoes that don’t end up doing squat to that stack of 40 people in one hitbox. More mass murder. Stacking up like that doesn’t encourage good play or make sense with regular world content in mind. Once tools proliferate enough to make this superdense stacks a losing strategy, then nerf it.

dank.3680:

Well I am ok with the whole Leg Specialist working for arrow carts (as well as all the other class interactions that happen with siege). I just want to point out that taking Leg Specialist is not really a “sacrifice” as I consider the trait a good pick for many of my Warrior builds.

Don’t forget to grab Opportunist as well for Fury every time you Immobilise someone with Leg Specialist!

Whether it is a counter to zergs or not is inconsequential, if this is the reason for allowing warriors to be OP on arrow carts over all other classes, then all those other classes should be able to immobilize on AC, not just cripple. It is the OP nature of 1 “profession” over all others when Anet is trying to balance WvW.

The Goat.1940:

kfarb.6732:

The Goat.1940:

Fiction.6418:

The Goat.1940:

Eosphoros.4987:

The Goat.1940:

Eosphoros.4987:

Pinko.2076:

Is WvW more of a PvE activity for DB SEA players?

When mag hits 400-500 ppt in unbalanced matches, we actually lose players because it is very boring and usually pvd.

How do you keep interest in logging in every night to wipe the maps and then log off? Is it strictly for karma/xp? You guys have been at it for many, many months now.

You’ve got the point. Deep and penetrating. These players wont get bored of this form of pve farming.

haha haters gonna hate, we’re going to continue on despite your poor attitude. Keep up the pvforum lolz!

You misunderstood something. I am not even on one of the servers of your tier. I just know little more about the habit of my compatriots.

lol ur post should come with a disclaimer. Either way I strongly defend our SEA they are amazing players and an integral part of DB. Those who bare the mark of the Dragon; I salute you!

They really are an integral part of DB, without them you’d be in a much lower tier and grats on taking empty keeps at 6am eastern time.

ah the good ol PvF we have grown to love from mag. where are the flame rams in camps and the middle of no where? I fear mag is losing their kewl so sad.

Are you saying it isn’t true? Do you not appreciate them enough to acknowledge their importance to DB?

If my server lost a lot of players, we would be in a lower tier. That’s how it works.

not really sure who your question is intended for. I stated our SEA is amazing and integral. And I will not respond to pathetic hypothetical troll questions.

I think you responded to a pathetic hypothetical troll question. BTW I love going against trollguuma. The forums are so good. I cant tell you how boring those weeks with SOS were.

I also credit Maguuma for the extra defense DB is putting in. We knew you were stronger than T4.

Heijincks.9267:

This depromotes zerging which is kind of killing WvW. In a way, I see it as a good thing.

Then lets get the thief or mesmer back to where it was early on in the game. Then there will be no zergs only solo thieves and mesmers roaming…

or make the arrow cart immobilize for everyone not just warriors who sacrificed 10 trait points.

or make the leg spec. a 30 point trait like they did shadow rejuvenation(i think) on thieves.

When they tied real life currency to in game currency via gems it made any suggestion of removing cash sinks irrelevant. Considering it is a FTP game after the original purchase they need some way to fill the coffers so there is a staff to continue putting out content. killing cash sinks in this game will ruin their business model.

bumpity bump bump with a request from the devs to reply.

iAmTheDuke.6201:

OnlyFate.8549:

iAmTheDuke.6201:

Man oh man…
Couldn’t take garrison even with two servers working together.
Such a shame….

I think that is exactly the reason for not able to get the garrison, both server fight each other and the remaining killed by Mag

Huh, weird how DB were at inner water gate and YB at West inner gate and didn’t touch each other once.
All I have to ask is how much gold did Yaks pay DB commanders to do a simultaneous attack?

How could we fight each other? 1. there is no way to get to each other except through the lords room from those entrances other than, from water gate, humping down to the east and running around the north inner. 2. From the water gate the skill lag was so bad some couldn’t even dodge roll through the open gate….

great defense last night BTW. that was real fun.

Asglarek.8976:

Honestly you have JQ and then everyone else no matter what the system you have no other server can match the size of our wvw playerbase 24/7.

This. Nothing more need be said and my compliments to the poster who managed to explain JQ’s ranking without trolling people about how skilled their server is. No offense, I am sure JQ has lots of skill, but WvW is a numbers/coverage game NOT a skill game when it comes to rankings.

I liked that 3 way fight in mags hills tonight. that was fun too.

I vote we leave the hacking issue out of this discussion. Anet has said that they are gone so this is theoretical anyways. I think we need to agree to disagree about how orbs “balance” WvW. The point I am making here is that the reality of what orbs do to the game has already been seen. The better populated server gets the orb solidifying their lead. The other servers then bash their faces against a door or wall trying to get it. They dont get it because they are outnumbered.

I always wondered about this whole playing for 2nd place of a tier. I don’t get it when the 2nd and 3rd place servers let the 1st place home bl sit unmolested. each point a 2nd place server takes from the first is double points in a way compared to taking the 3rd place owned objectives.

IRSyKo.5843:

eithinan.9841:

chefdiablo.6791:

I have seen it happen all too often; players just want to golem rush a keep for the laughs or worst have a surplus of them from the JP and decide to splurge at a very inappropriate time.

My old guild got into the weird habit of trying to use them for almost every capture but just did not have the basic co-ordination of portals down.

I got to the point where just the mention of golem rush would make me log out for the time being or go do something else far far away.

The most important part of the golem rush is the full mesmer group moving them around. Without a coordinated mesmer group you have forum video fodder.

I’ll ust leave this here…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uccJ6W018aw

…Go Back to T2… yes that was the incident that made me think of that little quote. I am in the Golem spinning around as we got railed…

Just to point out that that wont happen again. you know why? we can see you now and WP the golems back before they get in combat

chefdiablo.6791:

I have seen it happen all too often; players just want to golem rush a keep for the laughs or worst have a surplus of them from the JP and decide to splurge at a very inappropriate time.

My old guild got into the weird habit of trying to use them for almost every capture but just did not have the basic co-ordination of portals down.

I got to the point where just the mention of golem rush would make me log out for the time being or go do something else far far away.

The most important part of the golem rush is the full mesmer group moving them around. Without a coordinated mesmer group you have forum video fodder.

You are intentionally ignoring the fact that orbs that give combat related stats are, by their nature, unbalancing. In reality, they make the already stronger server in a 3 way battle even more powerful. We already saw how that played out before their removal.

The more you post about this, esoteric, the more this thread seems to be qq about the 3rd place server in your tier not attacking the first place server enough for your liking.

“Orbs need to be something that servers HAVE to fight over or they will be crushed by the server with the most.” this is the definition of T1 mentality I mentioned earlier. Take another look at http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA that you pointed out to me earlier today. look at t3 and below. Tell me how the orbs as they were wouldn’t be held by the point leaders in each tier because of the unbalanced populations. WvW and the tier setup is a numbers game. Putting objectives in that can be captured will go to who has the most numbers and coverage. If this objective has combat related buffs it makes it harder if not impossible to capture.

Esoteric.5490:

eithinan.9841:

What you are saying is from a T1 perspective. The lower tiers all still have massive population coverage imbalances. In T3 DB is “night” capping our opponents and taking all their keeps. Your idea to bring the orbs back as they were would just make the hill our opponents have to climb even steeper. If anything Anet made a mistake at the beginning with outmanned and the orbs. Outmanned should have given the stat buff and the orbs should have been mf%/karma buffs.

Orbs would have no point then. They are designed for balance. Who cares if it gives mf? No one is going to fight over that. Orbs need to mean something.

This is exactly what orbs destroyed. How does placing an objective which boosts player stats into a CTF style meta game balance things when there are already unbalanced populations.

You also make an argument about how balanced T3 is based off of monday morning mos rankings of a brand new matchup. Does Mags have the after NA peak coverage to really make this a good match? we’ll have to see. But I still say that your perspective is skewed by T1 coverage and not taking into account the situation in any other tier.

What you are saying is from a T1 perspective. The lower tiers all still have massive population coverage imbalances. In T3 DB is “night” capping our opponents and taking all their keeps. Your idea to bring the orbs back as they were would just make the hill our opponents have to climb even steeper. If anything Anet made a mistake at the beginning with outmanned and the orbs. Outmanned should have given the stat buff and the orbs should have been mf%/karma buffs.

The Goat.1940:

gawd I missed playing against mag, but really dislike the forum thread that follows, including FA chiming in. I won’t bother reading this thread further it’s way off topic and kinda sad.

Are you kidding? The match up thread is the best part of fighting the goons, outside of getting some solid small group roaming combat.

Pretty Pixie.8603:

Oh boy…

Well, with such overwhelming evidence there’s nothing else to do but to admit our shame.

Yak’s Bend is allied with EVERY server BUT SoS. In fact, in the DB/Mag/YB matchup all servers will be convening on middle island in DBBL to do /dance emotes, sing koombaya and bask in the total lack of fighting.

That’s how we roll.

I am fully in favor of making this a reality and posting it to the t4 thread next week. At reset or as soon as possible so it is on the first page or 2.

Basche.2305:

Just putting this out there, shortly after reset EST, while YUM was assaulting Sunny Hill on DBBL, a guildy and I on two separate occasions somehow glitched through the gate while attacking the door. Now, to the Dragon Brand and Yak’s Bend present alike, we don’t know what caused this to happen but there was no intention of exploitation or cheating. YUM is a member of the YB’s alliance and given the guide lines stipulated, we are strongly opposed to hacking and exploits.

Thus, upon realizing what happened, we were quick to either:

a) allow the enemy to a free kill in my guildy’s case or
b) jump off the cliff to a swift death as I did.

Once again to the DB defenders present, we did not intend to what transpired and promptly did what we thought would cause the least if any impact upon your defending of Sunny Hill.

I’ve seen accidental entrances to this tower my self.
I also got accused of hacking my way into this tower when I made a mad dash to stop the cap on the lords room and failed. I got knocked behind the supply depot. I stealthed myself and played cat and mouse for 10 minutes in someone elses tower. Eventually I ran off the edge to give the people who had tagged me a bag :P

“I joined/accepted an opposing player into my party and now I cannot kick him/her in WvW”

1. if you have a problem with it dont accept them into your party.
2. Anet please fix the party system so we can kick people from party in WvW.

Loki.4139:

jportell.2197:

Okay soooo… Winner is kinda set… Who wants to duel? Behind windmill… DB bl.

Just whisper if you wanna do it

Not acceptable in DBBL

lol this^^^ there are a few commanders who run over any fight club they find in DB BL. and they enjoy it…

luniprincess.3162:

Mag is better than SoS.

if Mags could get over themselves and their “We hate large scale battles, We only like to roam” thing, I believe this could be true. But when you mix in organized large scale groups like TSYM and a few others who have given us trouble you guys are lacking. I HATE how vulture like your tactics are(Everyone I have spoken to about this have been cut off by you while trying to get to the inner of a 3rd party keep, sometimes you come in and wipe the 2 teams capping it and cap it yourselves if they have weakened each other….) but they are solid tactics.

Mags embrace large scale combat. please.

LOL, Blood Pact broke Yaks spirit a few days ago and they haven’t recovered from us camping their north supply camp after taking their whole zone. I believe it was Sunday.

I am loving how you are trying to discredit Lokii when you have no idea how involved he is in DB’s WvW. Maybe if you show some pictures of a few of the major guilds from the 2 servers working together you might have some credibility Trollulus.

Adaneshade.2409:

10% karma/gold/badges/xp/mf per orb. Everyone starts out the match with their own orb and the bonus from it.

yeah something like this. If the orb sits on the northern most alter then the home BL gets the bonus same as if it were in their keep. I disagree about the effects going outside of WvW though. Even with the nice new drop rates WvW players need some better MF% options because running that gear/food isn’t good for combat.

Tangent: Hi Shadowkat!!! hows the roaming duels going?

not in their old game breaking fashion of course, but with similar buffs to the outmanned buff. I would like to have another objective in WvW to compete for.

If there is a truce I demand Yaks stop taking our Bay like they did a few hours ago. Leave us alone or you will ruin it!!!!

Thieves are not just roamers. They can be a vital part of group battle. They just need to spec out of anything even resembling stealth. I have a wicked bleed/life drain tanky build that works exponentially better the more enemies I am attacking. For a while I was our front line leading the charge. Now I am a rDPS with other group oriented skills and traits.

Any time I take one of the southern towers and a defender of that tower runs to the lords room, sees they are outnumbered and turns and tries to run back through the portal after the cap.

Habis.2910:

lani.7431:

… DB’s NNK-o’clock wipes out their map just like it wipes Yaks. …

Love it! Lol-ers

I need to start saying that in game “It’s NNK-o’clock time!”

LOL it looks like I started something. Lets not forget theat NNK-oclock comes during TFV/GA timezones :P

Asudementio.8526:

I’d be nice if our other builds had some teeth, but nah lets neuter stealth and turn thieves into buff bots through venom shares- great idea.

i hate warriors if played right. same with necros(always fearing me off a cliff). But there is no reason to be mean about my venom share. :*(

glad I play a venom share build….

But seriously, with the end of culling AND adding the revealed debuff to any exit of stealth even if you dont use an attack seems excessive. Wouldn’t it be logical to see how the end of culling affects the stealth mechanic in WvW before adding another layer of nerf to an already nerfed class.

do they also fix the healing/boon caps too?

Panda Shepard.1248:

How about we just kick everyone not participating in the event? Then all the campers can farm their chests.

This is so funny. I’m gonna laugh if they get rid of guesting and you guys are all still stuck in overflows just because of all the the “home server” campers. I wonder who’ll be the scapegoat then?

We didn’t have this problem until the loot changed. Guesting’s been around longer than this problem.

This is absurd. No problems with overflows for events until guesting started. That is why these threads just popped up over the last few weeks.

Please respond in some way Anet, the account bound 1 time event per day suggestion is the best option to stop these farmers/exploiters. Guesting is meant to connect friends on different servers, not farm more events.

the best time of day is NNK-oclock during the TFV timezone. You guys are great.

The bay keeps stayed green almost all day…

My necro can fly for a few seconds but always seems to end with me splatting on the ground.

Secret Order of Spies…..lame.

i salvage and run the high level areas with orrmaps.com.

Diashame.6328:

Glad to see t3 a more enjoyable place to be now. We just had too many numbers in NA PT to make it fun. The march patch could end up screwing over balance again so enjoy it whilst it lasts.

GO BACK TO T2 WHERE YOU BELONG!!!!!

Just kidding, I personally love fighting [RET] but I hope it is a while before we see you again. This match up is almost balanced compared to DB being in between a weak t2 server(no offense) and a strong t4 server.

edit: this was posted before NNK-oclock in the TFV time zone :P

::yawn::: tired of this topic.

BP left in the first couple weeks and eventually came back to DB.(went to a lower tier for less queues.) My thoughts are the only way to beat the 1st place server in a tier is to take their PPT. That translates to a us gaining points and the 1st place losing those same points, essentially doubling out point gain.

for example: DB takes a 25 point keep from yaks who are third, this gives DB 25 points and subtracts 25 from yaks while SOS is still getting all their points, so DB only gets a net 25 points on the leader. Where if DB takes a 25 point keep from SOS then we gain those 25 points and SOS loses them giving DB a net gain of 50 points on the leader.

The 3rd place team also should be focusing the 1st place team which keeps the match tighter and gives the 3rd place team a chance at coming in first in a match. Again for the same reason of reducing the 1st place teams lead. Putting the focus on the second place team only allows a sever to reach 2nd.

Just wanted to share a video of Blood Pact[BP] taking Stonemist from today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2cHqAoPkKT4

The 3 servers have different strong points based on coverage. Can we please move on.

This guesting problem will not only affect bosses and dragons, but also the new content like guild bounties if you cannot reliably get your guild into a zone for the objective. People are using guesting to farm things not “play with their friends”. This was already an option with cross server dungeons and fracs. I think the cross server overflow technology which was already in place was how they should have implemented guesting. let these people go to an overflow map and have someone on the home server meet them there so it doesnt ruin the home server population.

Vodka.3958:

If SoR went to EU, then NA would be 99% cleansed of all its trolls.

Yes, but you wouldn’t get the king troll Bunzy of OG. He got banned from his home servers web site.

“How many bags have you left behind choosing game objectivity over looting”

last night about 50

the skins from ebonhawke for bows are very similar, the short bow is very long looking

Thats right, he’s OP

I am having fun fight TC. Thank you. That is all