All servers do this. Technically it is not a hack, it’s taking advantage of certain viewing angles in windowed and tri-screen monitor setups. To report something for what anet has knowingly allowed and has done nothing to change certainly would tell you that they do not care, no?
1) Go ahead and provide sources that Anet has acknowledged and does not care about the exploit.
2) So this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sURXDCQFFzYis achieved through higher resolution viewing angles? (different matchup, same crap)
I say its inconclusive and here is why.
You never went to the front of the tower to check for any ac’s that would have covered the 1-2 questionable circles. Almost all the circles are accessible from that hill at that tower with a wider FOV.
Well yeah if you’re accidentally firing at a weird angle because you’re using multiple monitors then you’re not (willfully) doing anything wrong. Deliberately/repeatedly building ACs to fire over unbroken walls into a keep is an entirely different matter though, especially if you’re a commander. There’s no ignorance defense there.
Also yeah windowed mode still works but nobody tries to defend that like they do multiple monitors.
There is no defense needed.
windowed mode = multiple monitor.
That is how anet designed the game to interact with multiple monitors.
Personally, I run dual monitors with a 2nd screen open to the mos website maps. this doesn’t make me a cheater because the map is powered by anet’s api. But having a 2nd monitor gives me an advantage over an opposing commander. I am no exploiter or hacker. I just use all the TOOLS available to me that Anet has decided to provide.
Since I have only 1 monitor playing the game I will squeeze my game window to “imitate” having a 3 screen setup if I need to hit something I cannot see with full screen on. This again is not exploiting. it is using all the available tools that anet has decided to provide us.
1. Using a wider FOV is not a hack. It is the solution Anet implemented for multiple monitors.
2. Where is that AC you are showing hitting. I dont see the red circle of it’s attack anywhere, much less somewhere it shouldn’t be from that placement.Next time I’ll made a video, you silly little goose. “Solution”, my kitten .
sry but i know that commander and he does not hack!plus yes with multiple monitors u get a better sight. everyone knows that.before accusing u should maybe ry to listen to what we gotta say and FA does not support hacking. we report hackers ourselves, we dont take portals if a hacker presents it to us and we report anything suspicious. if u got a problem get in contact with the guild!
Using eyefinity to achieve a wider FOV is allowed by the letter of the law. However, utilizing that wider FOV to fire an AC somewhere it otherwise wouldn’t be able to reach is pretty much the definition of an exploit (even though you will almost certainly not get banned).
People who can afford multiple monitors shouldn’t have such a massive game advantage, that much is plainly obvious. However Anet seems unable/unwilling to change the way multiple monitor set ups alter the FOV so feel free to keep holding that false moral high ground!
L2 windowed mode
The south hills and lords room ac attacks are not zoom hacks. They are wider FOV and legit according to the devs because it requires no 3rd party programs. It only requires one to go into windowed mode.
l2defend
I was dissapointed that the main kitten commander wasnt around this reset. You guys are a real challenge and you tought [RET] a LOT last time we faced you. There weren’t other zergs our size so we split into 2 groups of 15 to make it a bit more interesting.
BTW Maguumans stop spreading out and rolling glass cannon staff eles its so annoying! :P
If you actually did split your group for more even number fights, mad props to you and your crew. I have NEVER seen it happen before since game came out. Fight clubs are only time I seen that sort of thing.
Splitting a large raid up to achieve multiple objectives is not that revolutionary of an idea…
I saw that some friends from WvW made their appearance this morning in the taking of DB BL bay. Good to have you guys and hope TC gives you a warm welcome.
so who did TC convince(buy) to join(bandwagon to) your server?
Wagonbrand gave up their right to chastise any other server over transfers long ago.
I don’t think you would appreciate someone telling your server what they do and do not have the right to do.
lol, buddy dont sweat it. A half dozen replies in an hour. Troll successful :P
I saw that some friends from WvW made their appearance this morning in the taking of DB BL bay. Good to have you guys and hope TC gives you a warm welcome.
so who did TC convince(buy) to join(bandwagon to) your server?
EBay typically has a strong reset weekend, but things slow down during the week, especially in non-NA times.
We had a pretty long queue on home borderland. I don’t think eternal was queued most of the night. Not sure about the other BL.
Question for you guys. How large are your groups? It’s hard to count and I am not sure if things are exaggerated or if you really have 40/50 people together.
CoF normally runs about 8 but we groups with GF and were running about 25 with a few extras tagging along.
I can only account for BP who had about 15-20 all night in EB BL. we had a group in eternal as well running 5-10 strong. When you fought our full Db force you were probably fighting 60-70% of queue(whatever that is) at one time. ALS had a large group in there and Rb was there as well in force.
good fights all night. we really liked pushing that nw tower. It would bring you back there all night like a boomerang :P (oh boomerang, you always come back!!!)
Great fights on EBay BL last night, Both EBay and TC brought massive numbers and loot bags for all.
Please stop with the double team talks…It’s childish and will only get this thread locked anyway. Double teams happen because you make a mistake or play poorly and the other servers take full advantage, Especially on reset night.
Example: Last night around midnight EST we (DB) were on EBay BL messing with their NW tower with around 60 players up there. EBay pushed out of spawn (as they did whenever we touched that kitten tower….kudos EBay) with about 80 to wipe us and succeeded in getting about 1/3 of us down and the rest retreated north. Toward the end of this fight TC hit SW tower (taking advantage of us being far up north) and we were too slow reacting to port back and stop them.
We lost our home tower on reset night….A sign of weakness.
Then both servers hit Bay full force (75+ each) and EBay ended up being victorious in that fight. Great job Ebay and TC for playing smart and taking out the weakest link at the time. We made a mistake by not protecting our tower and showed weakness to 2 huge zergs….we paid the price for that. It wasn’t a double team because of any other reason than that, If we had gotten back to spawn faster and wiped TC at the tower the mess at Bay would never have happened.
Again…Great job EB and TC, Was another fun reset.
P.S. – Where are the score updates guys??
If people thought about what contributed to any 2v1 scenario, I would bet there would be a story like this in at least 95% of them. Great summation of events there.
edit: Ebay, you are thinking in lower coverage terms when it comes to the 2v1 that is possibly perceived. Db had 4 full maps with 30min+ queues. I would guess TC was around that too. If your maps weren’t queued then you were at a major disadvantage numbers wise. This of course leads to the weak link scenario described above.
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Hi cern. you cannot have our camp :P
TC needs to stop trying to join my party in the puzzle. I don’t care what you want. Just die and come back and die again.
This is why I love mag. This is why I hate mag.
Just wanted to clarify some things regarding TC, no we do not have a massive ‘warchest’ and we do not consistently buy guilds. We convince them to choose us for many reasons other than transfer assistance. Do we help guilds who have decided to transfer to us? Certainly we do…..
WAGON COAST WAGON COAST!!!!! wah wah wah !!! you guys are stacked already!!! why do you need more players? wagon coast must be trying to buy some talent.
Yep, a little forewarning on the official thread about GvG here would have been helpful.
FA. Forewarning about GvG brings unwanted attention from trolls and in some cases have not happened because of this. If you see Swords south of the south camp and find out it is a db/cd gvg just leave it be. That means your BL has 20+ enemies filling the queue for your bl from both servers that are not going for points.
also the question as to why db and cd would choose fabl for the gvg. The ease of access from spawn is the answer.
How cute… Mags owns two supply camps.
Unemployed individual spotted.
lawl…
More like self-employed.
While pertinent to your trolling, this does not change the stupidity of your original statement.
Nor the margin by which you are losing.
I don’t think these posts mean what you think they mean.
Ahhh… the troll is strong in this one.
I don’t think you get it. We are embarrassed for you.
I’m embarrassed for him too. Is a TC guy really trying to troll about the total score against mags and sos? I mean that’s pathetic.
Did something happen to FA? This simply does not feel like the FA we fought with TC
How so?
I think he’s asking because FA beat us twice a few weeks back before the random matchups started. It could be because BT left.
Or it could be because TC isnt giving FA 2nd place ;P
If you’ve been in DB for a long time you’d notice. There’s barely anyone left. I see some NNK here and there but DB used to be PACKED with NNK.
I heard this person spout off about other guilds without knowing anything about anything. you can basically ignore is uninformed thoughts.
umadbro?
While mildly amusing years ago when that term first started making the rounds, it is now just an indication of an unoriginal mind and the loss of an argument. Be more original.
Since the other dude was using the classic deflect by asking questions strategy when he couldn’t explain why they ran, I figured I would, in an attempt at irony, use “umadbro?” I don’t know where the loss of an argument comes from considering there was no actual argument here. I asked a question and he got defensive. end of discussion.
Now onto another topic that was brought up here. Those 2 scrub thieves. I encountered them solo. I got killed. But you know what. It took them over 3 mins. LOL. I can drop a mesmer solo in less time on a thief.
Oh yea? I can drop you in a minute home dawg, umadbro
LAWL!!!! I’m talking about a mesmer of comparable abilities. You way more pro than me.
umadbro?
While mildly amusing years ago when that term first started making the rounds, it is now just an indication of an unoriginal mind and the loss of an argument. Be more original.
Since the other dude was using the classic deflect by asking questions strategy when he couldn’t explain why they ran, I figured I would, in an attempt at irony, use “umadbro?” I don’t know where the loss of an argument comes from considering there was no actual argument here. I asked a question and he got defensive. end of discussion.
Now onto another topic that was brought up here. Those 2 scrub thieves. I encountered them solo. I got killed. But you know what. It took them over 3 mins. LOL. I can drop a mesmer solo in less time on a thief.
Where, pray tell, should the ‘scrubs’ have built their AC? In the middle of your zerg? Let’s not get any more ridiculous, ok?
Getting pulled into contact where the enemy has the high ground means you were out maneuvered. 9/10 times you will lose.
Did it surprise you that we didn’t?
Also how did you know we weren’t baiting? Why didn’t you take the bait? Maybe it’s because 9/10 times you will lose.
Why are you still asking questions?
I think you quoted the wrong post. umadbro?
Oh my god, he’s from BP, can you stop spamming “What guild are you from?” “Still don’t know what guild you’re from” “Haven’t told us what guild you’re from”?
awwww… your always spoiling the fun. I was seeing how many of those I could get out of them.
:P
Where, pray tell, should the ‘scrubs’ have built their AC? In the middle of your zerg? Let’s not get any more ridiculous, ok?
Getting pulled into contact where the enemy has the high ground means you were out maneuvered. 9/10 times you will lose.
My guild tag was up when you were running away. 3 different times we came at you guys when you were capping a camp or location. Fairly even numbers(we may have had 1-2 more people in the general area.) We wiped you once and the rest of the time you ran when you saw us.
So… after your amazing feat that you killed a group you outnumbered, people still don’t know which guild you are from.
I dont get what your point is here. Are you trying to point out that smart players go to the high ground to siege up a defensive position before pushing or that scrubs build AC’s on low ground before they get run over?
I guess you couldn’t guess that the smart players of DB in that picture got wiped even though they built an AC on high ground to try and kill a smaller number of scrub CD players. Opps, chest thumping gone wrong!
lol, us wiping you doesn’t matter. The point is you wouldn’t even stand and fight after that. What does my guild tag matter? I am in no way representing any other opinion and experiences than my own and the couple who were with me. Even my Sig is a sarcastic comment about one person speaking for a large group without a mandate from those people.
Even the pic I posted doesn’t matter. I wasn’t there to comment on those individuals personal skill level or coordination. The point of the pic was about siege placement.
All that is a distraction from the real question here though. why did you repeatedly run from a fight of relatively even numbers?
Who is [Kome] and why do you run?
Ask yourself this question the next time you fight the tier 1 heavies.. having your outmanned meter kept turning up means you have to choose your fight carefully.. eg. ytd in EB overlook hill.. took out 3waves of DB didn’t we?
But overall DB zerg have balls unlike TC they don’t scurry to nearest tower when you caught them on even ground.
P.S DB Comd try not to drop open field ac when you already have overwhelming numbers.. One should always play fairly when one has the winning cards.
I dont get what your point is here. Are you trying to point out that smart players go to the high ground to siege up a defensive position before pushing or that scrubs build AC’s on low ground before they get run over?
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Who is [Kome] and why do you run?
Who is this and why don’t you dare to show your guild tag?
My guild tag was up when you were running away. 3 different times we came at you guys when you were capping a camp or location. Fairly even numbers(we may have had 1-2 more people in the general area.) We wiped you once and the rest of the time you ran when you saw us.
and as far as irony goes… the irony of this is when you get stomped by a “bad thief” but only time will tell and a backbone on your part ill be waiting on your borderlands see you there
HEY, you want to test your close range sniping skills out Mr. Pro Thief. I am always at the dredge cave. If its our color come and find me.
Who is [Kome] and why do you run?
I wish Bunzy would come back.
If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?
Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?
Give me a break please.
As far as low population servers are concern, none of the top 6 servers is any different. They will roll over you, period.
I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?
Oh look someone that bandwagoned from SBI to Kaineng and then Kaineng to TC. Please tell me more!
Plenty of bandwagoner everywhere, including Maguuma. You guys just got a new bandwagon guild GOAT last week, remember?
You guys should kick GOAT out if you hate bandwagoners.
Bandwagon? We moved up like 5 spots tops. You mean like Rethesis who moved to TC. Dont mention a group of players who does small group things on a map when all I have seen from TC is the ENTIRE que for the map in one place at one time. You don’t know me, my guild or what we walked away from on BP.
hahahahahaha this post.
“Please don’t assume anything about GOAT, you don’t know what we went through … [Insert Guild Here] on the other hand are a gutless bandwagon guild”
…
It seems you will fit in well on Maguuma. Enjoy your stay
This post for the WIN!!!! Squirty you should be on mags with pro PvF skills like that.
if the double teaming is going against the winning server then the 3 way match up is working as intended. If not then you just gave teh people doing this exactly what they wanted.
First TC, then Kain, now DB? GG, Anet
HaHaHaHaHa. notice how FA isn’t in there? LAWL
Why don’t you guys just team up? I mean, if SoS and Maguuma combined forces, it would probably be a lot more fun than what we’re doing now.
And so what if that’s not the way WvWvW is intended to be, either? Maybe if Anet sees us trouble shooting their match-ups on our own, they’ll get some ideas on how to fix this.
This IS how WvW and 3 way matches are supposed to work!!!!!!
To make any competition with 3 teams on the board at the time competitive the 2 weaker participants must focus the 1 stronger participant. Or think about it like war, why did the Germans in WW2, And Napoleon earlier try to conquer europe before pushing into Russia. Why do all the Mideastern countries, who hate each other like Iran,Syria,Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc.. all show a united front against the US.
It is about winning. anything less is playing for second. If both weaker teams focus the stronger teams border land and both push north, instead of vulturing off the south mags, the defending server will have to make a choice. What do they lose. Then later when they got to recap the other location they lost the one they decide to keep is vulnerable.
This is basic stuff here.
anet does deserve some of the blame i agree but u also gotta put the blame on the ppl who made post after post telling them to do it
THIS IS WUT HAPPENS when a company listens to a bad idea
The idea is fine. Having no limiters and not having the score reflect the purpose of taking points off higher ranks servers is the problem. And that all falls with Anet.
If TC started this week with 0 points, Maguuma 100k, SoS 200k (i.e. handicapping the servers based on their expected performance) then maybe some people might care to play a bit more. But its still a horribly uneven matchup.
At this point the system seems worse than WULD…..
So Saturday morning comes for me to check the ofc forums and see who mag is going to whine about this week, see this match up, I lol’d and started reading. All of a sudden i see a really good idea that would just destroy WvW on lower pop servers even more. Can you imagine how disheartened a server would be to see a monumental lead they were given just melt away. Or that same server actually managing to win and then get NO satisfaction from the win cause they were given a handicap.
This games entire WvW population needs to be redone. Anet literally did WvW backwards. Think about this for a second. If they opened up with free transfers and RNG matches I think they could have transitioned to the stable matches and paid transfers with a more accurate rank/tier system.
was that a zoom hack or wide FOV which is legit?
LOL. I dont mind the shrapnel if it livens up this thread :P
I would put up videos of us wiping PYRO but we dont waste the hard drive space to show off us actually wiping you guys in game.(you are not that impressive so why bother)
Yeah, as is generally the case, mindless zombie armies do eventually take out even the best survivors during their vulnerable sleeping hours. I guess you find that impressive… But that’s fine, you can keep your PPT, your server donated so many loot bags to mine I can only be thankful.
I was never at any point hiding that I was not in this match up. Check my earlier posts.
And I never accused you of that. Your lack of server name was an observation and I, as a gracious host welcoming you as a guest, was sharing a friendly video detailing what it was like against your unending masses. Check my (only) posts.
Also now you don’t seem to have a sig at all? Not even showing your guild? Too bad, so sad
I usually avoid the signature if Im trolling mags and Im not against them. Most of you guys know me anyways :P
On a related note. this thread has seriously picked up.
I love that recipe GuardianOMS. so tasty, and those Night cap tears are an excellent flavoring. I can send some I have left over from T3 if you want?
open field siege is only appropriate when you have 40 vs 15 and you’re on the 15 side
i… disagree. i would much rather be on the 15 side. we have several times. quite a lot of fun.
ME is a solid pug zerg busting crew. /respect
Basically, having an opinion is absurd
Not quite. Having a blanket opinion that does not consider my opinion as correct is absurd.
fixed for you.
How trite.
But seeing as you seem to want to put words in my mouth, please inform me, what exactly is my opinion on this?
You thought my edit was trite.
Basically, having an opinion is absurd
Not quite. Having a blanket opinion that does not consider my opinion as correct is absurd.
fixed for you.
If we do, close it. :p
Time to refocus our forum goers you say? Sounds good to me.
I agree. Lets hash out how SoS losing their BL to Db was lack of skill and how Ehmry Bay losing their BL was because they were under populated.
this is what ebay was saying.
Ugh. Here is my take on this issue.
As it stand eBay has very little Oceanic and Asian presence. So most of the guys you see on at night are the little amount of that that we have and our NA presence that decided to stay up late.
SoS and DB do have this presence. So when you guys are fully active at night (When eBay raids, you guys are just waking up) we have mostly just gotten done with our raid. You guys, on the other hand, have just begun.
So really, I think it has to do with more or less how desynced our servers are when it comes to play time. It doesn’t just revolve around population.
I would like to say that you guys can and do field more than we do however. It is apart of the whole picture, just not the entire thing.
If that makes any sense.
You are misunderstanding here. SoS was talking about during NA prime. 8-12 PM EST or so.
If we do, close it. :p
Time to refocus our forum goers you say? Sounds good to me.
I agree. Lets hash out how SoS losing their BL to Db was lack of skill and how Ehmry Bay losing their BL was because they were under populated.
this is what ebay was saying.
Yeah but see, there’s always a decent excuse for EBay to fail something or lose something, and when they do win by the same route that DB wins (numbers), it’s the extra leet skill and superior skills that help them win. It’s ridiculous.
New patch broke out…and? SoS is still holding it’s structures as hard as possible. I’ve been bouncing between SoS BL and EBay BL all morning and I haven’t seen EBay stand up for itself till now. And even then, you’re at 20 points right now lol. At least SoS admits to it’s mess-ups and tries to work harder, not demean and downtalk the enemy because one guild can win in open fights. When I was in EBay I thought we were bad kitten now that I’m in SoS, facing you guys? It’s a joke.
As much as I DETEST to admit it, Rekz is good at fighting. Really good, perhaps the only decent thing out of Ehmy Bay. But their obnoxious arrogance and their terrible attitude to their little wins here and there tears down anything their skill earns them.
Well, since you’re going to get downright nasty about it… You know what’s a joke? The fact that not a single one of the 6+ (cause their numbers keep fluctuating) SoS guys stealing the camps I’ve been working for all morning will fight me on even semi-square terms… Wait, maybe that’s because when I actually brought another ranger in we killed or downed all but two of them… It takes a downright lack of respect to sit back and watch a solo person take the time and effort to kill all the guards at camp, then mob-gank that person for the win. I could laugh it off if it was just once, maybe twice, but not all morning long. To the point I’m feeling actively followed about. A person doing all they can for their server who at the time is horribly outmanned and hanging on to +20 points at the time I began this message.
Am I generalizing a few within a server against many? You bet! And so are you. I am canning the rest of this particular conversation, because I have a great deal of love and respect for your furless leader in [scam].
All I caught from this was self-righteous whining about being outmanned. Lol.
This is some pro in-game/out of game trolling here. /respect
lol they are trolling themselves. Pick up your PvF game…
Meh, not really. From the matches I’ve played, such shenanigans usually occur after we are pretty lax about the situation. It’s an after party victory celebration not a display of incompetence.
btw, you’re from Dragonbrand right? Apologies if you’re not, I’ve just started posting here and you don’t display your server name… :/
Just so you don’t feel left out, this video sums up my experience of the DB zombie horde in our past matchups…
Dragonbrand coming? Get out your lawnmowers!
If you are Dragonbrand, no wonder you don’t display your server…
LOL. I dont mind the shrapnel if it livens up this thread :P
I would put up videos of us wiping PYRO but we dont waste the hard drive space to show off us actually wiping you guys in game.(you are not that impressive so why bother)
but the point to my post, when reading it in the context of my other posts, was YB and CD needed to pick up their PvF game because mag forum warriors are leet and need a good opponent to make a good thread. I was never at any point hiding that I was not in this match up. Check my earlier posts.
This was posted how long ago, and you guys are still going? It’s sad that Anet had to step in :/
We’re aware of the Code of Conduct, Slim. Don’t think we’ve breached the line of open disrespect yet. What we’re having right now as far as I can tell is a conflict of views, that’s all.
Funny thing is, I’ve noticed a lot of sportsman-like behavior on the field from both servers. Numerous times I’ve had DB zergs pass me right up in the open field, one actually kind of swerved to miss me even, while on the way to their objective(s). I’ve also had bows and salutes aplenty, both before and after fights.
I bet he’s furiously used his report feature….
If DB/SoS getting this upset by what’s been posted then I dunno know WTF they’d do with a full Ebay Troll Onslaught….
Db PvF champs might come out to play, but we’re currently in the mags thread trolling them because you guys are not on mags level.
Bunch of PYRO jumped from a bridge to their death…
WvW going back to normal, good match-up.
I’m relatively new to PYRO, but my summation of the experience so far…
Accurate.
lol they are trolling themselves. Pick up your PvF game…
I think the question should be “Why not more magummybear hate?”
I really miss the Kaineng/Crystal Desert/Yak’s Bend match ups
How lovely it must feel to have not one, but two servers with a similar population and participation to yours so much that it’s an intensely close game. Must be great to actually be able to have a somewhat balanced match in a tier. Please tell me more about how that feels. Being a Maguuman, I wouldn’t know.
Actually Ebay is right in there too, so there’s 3 other servers that will result in extremely close matches if we get paired with them. As for how it feels, it’s kind of like smashing your face into a tiered wedding cake and not caring what anybody thinks.
Ebay is a solid opponent, they just have no off NA coverage really.
I nail a 9/10 one line reply and run away when meeting resistance? Are you calling me a D/P thief? That, sir, is crossing the line.
lawl. This is what I miss. Ill try to get Calvin in here to liven things up later.
Well then. We’ll have to argue with ourselves.
Remember Calvin vs Sol?
I vote sayir #1 Maguuma PvF. Guardian OMS 2nd.
IDK thats a toss up. I like Guardians persistence but Saiyr can cut people down in 1 sentence. But like other Gummybears on the battlefield when saiyr meets resistance he runs and hides :P
I vote GuardianOMS as number 1. Saiyr is number 2.
DB used to have skill too…then Agg went to JQ :v
:D
just thought I would side swipe you guy to liven up this thread.
My attack maybe a 3/10 for the randomness.
Saiyr reply nailed a 9/10 no doubt
Ok maybe mags PvF just need a strong opponent. One willing to engage. Up your game people. I read mags threads for my amusement and this one is seriously lacking.
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only 2 pages so far? look how low mag has fallen from its days of glory.
yeah they used to have roaming skills too. not just PvF skillz.