Guild Wars 2

akamon.2769:

SNUGGLES!!!!!

don’t quit till the naysayers say yay!

sadly, you won’t see me tonight. but HEY i am there in spirit.
GOOO SoR!

for those BG talking about SoR losing spirit and giving up and not putting up fights, please don’t undermine the time and efforts of those on SoR that still put in amazing hard work each and every single day. : ))

but if it’s to offer a little inspiration, by all means, go for it.

[edited for clarity]

I think the majority of negative things being said about SOR this week and last, is about the players who decided not to play for one reason or another. I personally appreciate every SOR player who is still coming out for the fights.

Specifically [choo]. They have a deep roster and they have consistently put a solid force out on the maps over the last few weeks. You guys are also always fun to compete against if BG has a solid force or I am running with my guild.

I jump in and then let the other player stomp. I have had many people thank me and without the stomp they can just restart the fight if it is a duel. No harm no real foul. But I let my team mate choose whether or not a stomp happens. Sometimes your teammate doesnt have the time to tell you its a duel if you have heavy spike damage.

or if they seem to be doing fine you can always ask in /s “duel y/n?”

I do not think we will see more than a second season. By then there will be a large shakeup of how the entire WvW matchmaking is done. Major changes.

#trollrumors

Gunsen.3894:

I believe a good strategy for ANET would be to possibly consolidate low pop servers into higher pop servers. Instead of 24 servers (6-8 of which can’t field large WvW numbers) in 3 Leagues, maybe go to 18 servers on 2 Leagues. Give only the low pop servers free transfers to a server of their choice, and lock the transfers for all other servers (or make them pay an actual monetary fee to transfer, no more gems).

That would overstack the NA timezone even more on the gold league and exacerbate problems with the already long queues.

4 into supply master, 2 into build master, then dump it all into defense against guards. You are a guardian. Whats better than more hit points on a tank? It is a long road but well worth it.

robocafaz.9017:

deathTouch.9706:

Blah blah blah blah blah PPT blah blah blah blah.

DeathTouch actually explained Maguuma’s attitude towards PPT perfectly here, and it’s absolutely true. We’ve long abandoned the PPT game because it wasn’t worth the effort. There in’t a single server on the same level as Maguuma. In the PPT game, everyone either completely rolls us over or we would completely roll them over. There hasn’t been a close matchup with Maguuma in it in a very very long time. But at the end of the day we’d prefer to lose the “war” and have realms like BG and SoR who actually show up and fight.

snip for brevity

Maguuma knows that we’re not going to win the PPT game against you guys unless Australia collectively decides to transfer, so we’re just going to keep doing our thing: looking for fights on the road, in the field, in the ruins, and on the forums. ‘cuz we don’t want first place. We don’t want your fancy Golden Dolyak finishers. We want YOUR DELICIOUS LOOT BAGS!

sweg

Pinko.2076:

Mag does care about PPT – when it’s time for gold league qualifiers

we’ll be here with yall ~every season~

This is what #magswag is all about. Respect.

Terrahero.9358:

Condition Meta is a misleading term people came up with to stigmatize Condition-builds.

The most problematic builds, balance wise, in WvW are direct damage. Conditions are also kitten for zerg-on-zerg action. Whereas direct damage prevails in zerg-on-zerg.
And people have the balls to call it a condition meta.

Its a direct-damage meta, and it has been since day 1.

^^this. With all the random condition removal in large scale fights condition duration is almost a non factor.

The real answer for the stat issue brought up above is to drop the base condition damage and allow it to crit based off precision. That wouldn’t work because of how bleeds and confusion stack with each one needing to be calculated for a crit the servers would melt down.

Kiff.8157:

Elano.2014:

BP as the guild… Shows how you want to bash others without doing any actual research.

Also your logic needs some serious help. DB was dominating SEA in T2, so SONG moved to help SoR SEA. I don’t know what didn’t match with what I said before.

It amused me how you were chuffed by yourself when someone never heard of your guild not even when DB fought T1 servers long while ago, instead he remember TFV, NNK, Wily and thought BP was Borlis Pass LOL.

I don’t really want to refute your claim that SONG moved to help SOR but I understand that the week after DB fought BG/JQ, they felt intensely demoralised and started having internal argument and I think it was the same week SONG transferred off. TFV who has always been the core SEA guild of DB was advised by those who had moved to SOR to move as well because they thought that DB WVW was stagnant and hopeless. I don’t see any reason they needed to persuade DB asian players to join T1 servers if they really intended to help balancing a timezone, not mentioning quite a number of DB players included TFV/NNK members (and Elano from BP -not borlis pass) followed SONG and joined SOR.
I strongly reckon this was one of the reasons DB SEA went downhill especially when TFV planned to move off to SOR as well after being advised. Good intention to balance SEA? Don’t think so.

Yeah I always hated the whole BP Blood Pact/Borlis Pass thing…

You have a lot of things wrong in this post. a group of NNK/TFV created SONG and left Db shortly after the JQ/BG matchup so they could fight those two servers. They wanted the fights they got a taste of in that week of Db being in T1. TFV stayed on Db as a force in WvW for quite a while after that matchup though. I don’t know where they are now. NNK also was still on Db but with a reduced roster compared to their peak.

A group of BP/Blood Pact moved to SOR who were mostly late NA/ocx players from PRO that BP had merged with in an attempt to get sequential timezone coverage. TBH only a handful of them I believe were worth the gold paid to them…

ooooo. Did I say SOR bought an ocx force???

Argus Thaal.3801:

Be nice if they had it to where Wxp was as you say “account wide” but have it so the points you spend aren’t. each point is spend on a character of your choosing that way it balances it out a bit. if not you have a person who has everything maxed and just has to make a new character to get all maxed again.

If they were to make it account base Wxp then it would be a point system where the points are character based. in doing so it’s pointless to make it account wide Wxp, unless you just want the title… then idk make that account wide.
either way you look at it, it’s truly pointless to have it acct based.

+1 i like this idea.

lordkrall.7241:

Chicho Gosho.6507:

If some server want to buy your guild then you did a good job.

I suppose, but at the same time being bought should instantly destroy the guilds reputation, since they clearly don’t give a kitten about their server.

With Spvp being x-server and Pve having guesting/x-server dungeons what has Anet done to promote any server loyalty? Also guilds generally must have a pretty good reason for leaving a server. The times I have transferred the decision is made to leave before a destination is chosen.

SplendidDust of AncientSuns.8453:

SoR is losing because most of us don’t give a fuggin kitten anymore. Purchased guilds? Every server buys guilds. That’s not the issue. The BG/SoR problem is that BG coordinates with X server against us and SoR isn’t down with putting up with that for 6 out of 7 weeks or whatever it is. Uphill battle all season.

We will stay and fight 24/7 but gunning for 1st place ain’t gonna happen. I commend BG for the strategy they’ve implemented, even if it is shady. I mean, you guys used to be fun to fight but this is not enjoyable anymore.

Sad thing is that it’s all for a dumb dolyak finisher.

This has nothing to do with sor/bg. keep that garbage in the match thread AND we are talking about buying guilds here not 2v1’s. L2politic if thats your issue, but take it to a different thread.

Think of WvW as an exclusive nightclub. You get in line to get in, and stand in that line, but the bouncer(queue mechanics) can arbitrarily decide what order people get through the door.

When it comes to the relationship bewtween a server and each of it’s guilds, It is a symbiotic relationship. If a guild does not feel it is getting what it wants from a server(enough roaming, 24 hour competition, etc…) Then the guild will move.

BUT, that guild is made up of individual players who also have to make the decision of whether they wish to stay on the home server or follow their guild. So where does the moral responsibility of the individual players lie?

“To the VICTOR, go the spoils”

This thread is astoundingly free of negative comments. Well done.

This totally went off topic. I think there were some definite lines in the sand being drawn as to what constitutes buying guilds and the morality of it all. BG/SOR keep out of this if you are just going to spread the matchup bile.

Now back to the main topic of buying guilds. What responsibility does a guild have if they wish to leave “X” server for whatever reason? I mean if they can work out a deal that saves their members in game money or even real money so they can stay together, what is the harm in this? edit: And where does their moral responsibility lie?

I personally dont think that paying guilds transfer costs = buying guilds. If a community is able to raise the funds to provide transfer costs for a guild to join them then there is nothing wrong with it doing so. If a community cannot rally the support of it’s members to make the whole team better…well that team isn’t as good as it thought it was…

What do you claim is buying guilds? Is it paying for their transfers, either in part or wholly? Is that buying guilds?

Is buying guilds paying gold in excess of transfer to fees? or would it be buying guilds if you paid them 2 transfer fees for their entrance and exit from a server. and gold on top of that?

define buying guilds please.

Nyx Xox.3540:

LOL. For one as I’ve said the main WvW guilds have no deals struck. I don’t count our karma train guilds as a main WvW guild. Two is some CNB happen to be rolling in a karma train IDGAF. CNB is not a karma train guild. As long as my members are there for our mandatory raid where no karma train is involved then they’re good. Thursdays we make it a fun lowbie night karma train. Just because you see some of my guild in a karma train in no way makes us a karma train guild who makes deals with other servers.

To SOR heres the thing about you higher ranked servers. You like to think you have the ability to chose the outcome of a match. Just like when SOR/SBI/SOS faced up against each other, you guys “supposedly” wanted SBI to be 2nd so you pushed us hard. BG now apparently wants you last so they are pushing on you guys hard. Take that up with them, and stop bringing SOS into it like we give a kitten. We don’t care for your T1 drama. We just play the game and show up each match doing our best with no ques. Believe me if you want but again the MAIN SOS WvW guilds have NO agreement with BG. You complained about being pushed by both of us but that happens all the time. Like reset night when BG/SOR both were pushing into our garrison not touching each other until they moved us out of the way. Does that mean you guys had a deal? O_O lol Now our karma train guilds idk….they tend to do stupid things but its not many of them nor does the whole server comply.

I would like to thank the SOS karma train. I tagged up in eternal on BG today when noone else was tagged and we flip-flopped SM a few times without too much hassle which allowed us to pressure SOR for soft targets. I’m not in on any conspiracy, I just figured some easy wxp and karma was a good idea.

Arreyanne.2683:

IIRC the manifesto correctly, the entire game was suppose to be cosmetic after lvl cap, but alas against the clamor of their own player testing group,

They marched the manifesto outside and promptly shot it in the head, and told us “there never was a manifesto, you people misunderstood us.”

I remember that day, It was a cold dreary afternoon in winter, I think, Where they said “Let all run the same dozen mini-dungeons and become weary” They promptly followed this up with a meeting on “How can we make SPVP an ESPORTZZZZOMGOMG1121733T GAME FORMAT”

romainette.2369:

im on an ultra high population server…

Everyone is dealing with queues then. It is a fact of life. Part of the “ultra high population” in WvW is not being able to get in whenever you want. As I said before the “queue” system doesn’t even deserve the name. If it was a FIFO setup you may have some sort of valid concern with people bypassing queues and the unfair nature of it, but lets be real here. It isn’t FIFO and Anet will never tell us how it works, I suspect, because they dont even know how it works.

I also think they may have lowered the population cap, while enticing all those PvE players for their achievements into WvW, All of which will exacerbate queue times

If this were true, It seems that it offers groups a chance to play together. Since the queues are SOOOOO messed up already, and really don’t deserve the title queue, what is the problem unless you are on a ultra high population WvW server?

Spira.4578:

eithinan.9841:

Spira.4578:

[snip “people need to WORK for pixels”]

[Snip “go PvE for ascended”]

tl;dr for you. You obviously dont get the point of this thread.

Of course – It’s not about the pixels, it’s about the effort you put into getting something. Ascended should be special and if everyone could get it easily it would just lose its value. Also – ascended gear was originally connected to fractals – so in other words PvE so the joke’s on you.
Also – i gave an example with accessories where 1/3 can be done in wvw as well. And guild missions aren’t really PvE. If anything it’s competitive play where players has to work together in other to do something.

You realize that having ascended gear gives you higher stats, right? You also realize guild missions are still PvE because there is no other person to PvP against, right? You know this is in the WvW forums which is an actual subset of PvP because you compete against other REAL people, right? You know GW2 PvP was promoted on the premise of no upward gear progression, right?

I hope these few questions help clear up what you are obviously misunderstanding.

Spira.4578:

[snip “people need to WORK for pixels”]

[Snip “go PvE for ascended”]

tl;dr for you. You obviously dont get the point of this thread.

Victoitor.2917:

Players want Account bound ranks. Anet has some reasons not to do so. Why not come with alternate solutions then? OP at least tried to give an alternate solution. I did not like it too much, so I’ll post another one.

Half of the wxp earned by any character is also given to alts.

So if I gain 100wxp, the character I’m playing gains those 100wxp and all my alts gain 50wxp. This way, when you level an alt, you will also be helping your main and other alts. Also, when leveling your main, your alts will not be so far behind. Players can feel like they are progressing their account while making all characters progress a bit. For Anet, characters will still be differentiated by the ones who are played the most.

interesting, What about all those free chests that alts would get?

Hammerguard.9834:

DevonCarver.5370:

We have some thing that will be in the tests for the new map that will help WvW be more alt-friendly. We will talk more about it as we get closer to the test actually beginning.

[Snip Pve fractal garbage] Account bound Wxp is the central issue when it comes to making WvW alt friendly.

fixed that for you.

Forget about soulbound gear, forget about anything other than account bound Wxp. The ONLY thing that can POSSIBLY make GW2 WvW alt friendly is account bound Wxp ranks. 2 of my characters have passed the guard stack threshhold. These rank abilities make our characters so powerful that it is another example of a grind.
You know Grind. The thing GW2 promised not to have.

GW2 was sold to us on the premise that there would be no upward end game progression grind, yet at end game all I see is this…

Forestgreen.7981:

Looks like we all forgot the days where warrior was a free kill for you know the first 10 months of the game. You know the days where it was so universally accepted that the warrior was an utter dead weight and only good in CoF p1 gold runs and utter trash in PvP. The days where 1 trap ranger will utterly destroy 3 warriors on this own and ranger pet can 1v1 a warrior and come out on top.
LONG LONG FORGOTTEN.

yeah because most of that time they were all traited for leg specialist and were sitting on arrow carts waiting to banner the lord…

Warriors = cheese.

Rainshine.5493:

[snip]
ACCOUNT. BOUND. WVW RANKS.
[snip]

fixed

Starscream.7803:

Gully.7358:

Starscream, I can only talk to those who lead. You are just a second in command.

Your information is incorrect. i`m not even second in command. I make a point of staying the lowest rank I can to stay away from guild politics and to troll free.

Yeah I can appreciate that.

NICKEZ.3671:

There’s no question as to whether or not BG and SoR are working together against JQ, we can take it as a compliment though.

Don’t bother taking it as a compliment. Any effort by BG and SOR to put JQ into 3rd is a direct result of Anet making the Gold league schedule what it is. If anything JQ should be a little bit put off that the ease of their schedule is going to taint any gold league victory, if/when they win.

Niim.9260:

x per fection x.2096:

That depends. I know if mag didn’t make it into gold we were transferring to either SOS or TC. Different guilds want different things.

We would have done the same, well we wouldn’t consider TC, but SoS was a possible, or we might have gone to NSP.

That said while it is true that some guilds will make those kinds of moves, I think most transfer folks are there for the winning. Mag at the bottom of gold will get the good kind of transfer, Mag at the top of Silver would have gotten the bad kind of transfer.

This is basically what I was saying. I was wondering if there was anyone who came to help out balance things for Mag a little and who wanted to play on the underdog server.

CrimsonProject.7980:

eithinan.9841:

If Anet doesn’t change the schedule, I would like to be the first to offer congratulations to JQ for their hard earned Victory of Gold League.

Ol’ chap, even when the far seas split us, I will continue to lead the opposition against you and your declarations. Some things don’t change, eh? :P

Hey Brother, Good luck on SOR. I don’t think you have a chance at winning league 1 though. JQ has 3 weeks they can coast in, compared to SOR and BG. I just hope Mags ends up winning at this point.

On that topic, I wonder how many guilds have bandwagoned over to Maguuma since they clinched the gold league?

If Anet doesn’t change the schedule, I would like to be the first to offer congratulations to JQ for their hard earned Victory of Gold League.

ReverendChan.8467:

eithinan.9841:

ReverendChan.8467:

If people on BG honestly think they haven’t been doing the same thing then why did you pay 1K+ gold for just a few PvP players this week off of Anvil?

So BG paid the transfer costs for 10 people? I cant see how that will really unbalance the league TBH.

Recruiting = Recruiting.

<snip hypocritical rhetoric>

ya exactly.

ReverendChan.8467:

If people on BG honestly think they haven’t been doing the same thing then why did you pay 1K+ gold for just a few PvP players this week off of Anvil?

So BG paid the transfer costs for 10 people? I cant see how that will really unbalance the league TBH.

Mag made it? Congrats on achieving the goal you set when leagues were announced. I haven’t been keeping up on the rankings.

This will make things a lot more interesting on the match threads and in game because you never know what a wildcard like Maguuma will do.

Webley.1295:

We didnt say we lost all the dead weight, we just said the dead weight is gone.

To all the MERC haters out there – XOXOXO

- Gallimar

Fixed that for you.

Azure.8412:

Stealth.8150:

havnt done one of those in a while.
sor ts update

Spy more please, you unhonorable MERC dude. Helping to donate to guilds that already decided to transfer here isn’t wrong whatsoever. Offering gold to get guilds to transfer over is.

Random morality lesson. It is ok to help guilds with transfer funds if it is done by your server but not if it is done by an opposing server. Remember this.

When you hit 1v3 or more it gets harder to pull off any stomps because 2 people can rez faster than you can stomp without quickness even if you are invis.

KStudios.2850:

eithinan.9841:

KStudios.2850:

Alright [NNK]. This is the second time I’ve reported you for camera glitching to AC siege that’s behind gates… It’s only you guys I’ve seen do it. You should not be in our Garri right now.

Matter of fact. Since screenies apparently are not enough, from now on whenever I see your guild, I’m pausing to turn the camera on. Two days in a row, this has now become a personal vendetta.

Most NNK are SEA so they probably wont read this. If you are talking about the AC on the inner center gate clearing siege out of lords room you can target inside with the gap above the gate. In fact, you don’t need to even resize your window for this(which is 100% legitmate, Anet has said so due to it being their solution for multiscreen set-ups).

In fact any gate with a gap at the top is susceptible to this. You might want to learn the mechanics before you report people.

What about the carts to the far left of the gate in my earlier pics on page 2, and the guy who was shot down on the steps (which were covered in AC fire as well)? That little gap in the doorway cover that too? I highly doubt it. I will however, do further testing on my own, and document the results for personal use, and of course start filming more. I like being thorough.

I looked at them. They are legit through the gap in hills. The downed guy on the stairs is an ele mist forming in the first pic on the wall moving to you. I would assume he got nailed by all those marks.

KStudios.2850:

Alright [NNK]. This is the second time I’ve reported you for camera glitching to AC siege that’s behind gates… It’s only you guys I’ve seen do it. You should not be in our Garri right now.

Matter of fact. Since screenies apparently are not enough, from now on whenever I see your guild, I’m pausing to turn the camera on. Two days in a row, this has now become a personal vendetta.

Most NNK are SEA so they probably wont read this. If you are talking about the AC on the inner center gate clearing siege out of lords room you can target inside with the gap above the gate. In fact, you don’t need to even resize your window for this(which is 100% legitmate, Anet has said so due to it being their solution for multiscreen set-ups).

In fact any gate with a gap at the top is susceptible to this. You might want to learn the mechanics before you report people.

I have always been impressed with Mags capability for defense. Early on I thought they just liked keeping their PPT and not letting others take their nodes. Their coordination and response time always was impressive due to the use of a server wide voip usage 2nd to only T1 servers(Mag admitted this isnt the case now).

I find it funny that the respect you guys always got was under slightly false pretenses. You defense wasnt about turtling up and keeping your PPT, but the amazing defense came from everyone on Mags wanting a fight so they went to anything being attacked.

Calvin.5380:

numba one marking attendance

Mah Brother is back:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

kerona.3465:

EFWinters.5421:

So talked to a Maguuma person, I’m going to assume this is how the whole server thinks of open field fighting.

accurate

also, ebay, come be the try hards to our slacker. we need each other.

Ebay NA + Maguuma NA = Pretty dominant NA against T1. But only if they coordinated via voip like Mags used to do so well. (no offense, I dont know if you are still at the level you were 6 months ago.)

Rhaegus.8924:

Oh, I am not worried, far from. I’m just replying to some unneeded chestthumping there :-
)

OH GOD WHO CUT HIS FACE IN HALF!!!?!?!?!!!?!?!?

Le Rooster.8715:

Get a taste of leagues SoR, this is what happens when you decide to stack.

People discredited this statement because he whines a lot I guess. But he says the truth. during the first season there may be 1-2 good matchups the entire time. Most will be like this match up or even worse a JQ,BG,DB or something like that. And no matter how much TC wants to push the whole T1.5 garbage, the truth is they are top of T2 because of their fairweather population. No higher.

Anet is consolidating the WvW population onto a handful of servers. I dont know if it is intentional or not. Time will tell on that, but the result is there are going to be 3 servers that can compete with each other during the leagues for score and then all the rest of the servers.

Achilles.2197:

FirstInfantry.2795:

this achilles guy must really love maguuma :O i dont think any of us goes to jq matchup forums but he always comes back here to make at least 2 posts a week, so achilles what is ur thoughts on maguuma? try n keep it pg and not make a comment on my spelling errors:P

I luff maguuma.

Besides, there’s only so many times you can read about who bought which guild and who blobbed what in the tier 1 thread.

I love Mags too but it has a case of the Eve’s. If the unthinkable happened and I needed to take refuge on a foreign shore because the peasants rose up and overthrew my Regime, Maguuma would be atop my list of locales to weather the storm of rebellion. With this I also think I could find friendly shores on TC.

JQ/SOR/BG thread always sux thats why achilles <3 mags. Plus he’s a fairweather PvFer. He only trolls the match thread hes in heavily if JQ is on top PPT.

maps changes are ok. bloodlust is terible.

no

Any game mechanic that adds to stats that one server can obtain as opposed to another is automatically going to favor the more populated server.

Bottom line end of discussion. BL bloodlust is terrible. Not the spvp inside of WvW, that I dont care about, but the addition of raw power in the form of stat points to an already numerically superior server is terrible.

Lenador.1436:

Handin.4032:

FA talks all this smack about how bad every TC player is…but every time I’ve been roaming solo or in small groups (as I prefer, with like 2-5), every FA group has ran.

Last night me and a guardian in my guild came upon 2 thieves…I hit them with a Magic Bullet once and they started to run…we had to chase those guys down. I’m not saying all FA people run, but at least the ones I’ve seen roaming around TCBL were last night. FA, every match you make excuses and talk smack about TC…yet so far I have seen you guys zerg ball just as much as run from silly situations (such as the guild group from FA (I’m not going to call out the guild) who ran to one of our keep gates, got hit by 2 arrow carts and high tailed it back…then came back like 4 times only to run from 6 people, with 2 ACs).

And yes, I play for ppt, but also for kills. I prefer to not have wooden keeps, and make sure enemies get as few WP’s as possible That way, I can KILL more! And they can’t jut easily WP away from me

Im slightly confused they were suppose to tank two ac’s while killing you while your inside your keep? or is this just a declaration of how well you defended your keep then thats just swell….

I think he’s bragging about hiding behind arrowcart fire.

phaneo.4597:

Btw thanks to the Bunker Charr warrior from DB with whom I had the honor of dueling on my Guardian for a good 5 mins or so on reset night on DBBL, by the lake behind SE tower. We both knew it wasn’t ever gonna end. It was impromptu, and it was awesome.

Impromptu duels are always the best. My 2 favorite randoms I had was outside the south inner wall of overlook last week during a capture while the zergs clashed inside.

I also remember a duel on my mesmer in the valley just west of hills keep. I was running north and the other guy was going south. We ended up dueling for 10 fights or so.

Does anyone else care? no? I didnt think so.