Guild Wars 2

22 EE in the NE of SOS bl hoping for fights. whisper twog.8106

Chris.3290:

Of course I think they are missing the chance to for a WXP reset use item that they can charge buckoo gems for too. Not that I’m a fan of monetizing the game, but I think they should look into that since it’s a non-necessary item

This is an excellent idea which can only really be implemented after people reach that 230+ wxp threshold for guard killer and defense against guards which really wont come until wxp is account bound. Until then noone with an alt will bother purchasing these.

600+ wxp ranks spread across 5 characters waiting for this to happen. I really like the different siege mastery lines and cannot wait to try them all once my 3 characters with defense against guards get amalgamated.

tyvm.

Snafu.7412:

Maguuma/BG/SOS broke all these rules today.

And it was really fun. Dont take this too serious or you may miss out on that.

Warthog.6870:

eithinan.9841:

are you mad i beat you 1v2 warthog?

TBH 8 sec cooldown just matches my play style perfectly.

Not mad at all – and you have to admit that the 1v1 afterwards was pretty kitten close :P

I just ran into plexies significantly more often when matched up against your server. Mesmers I’m actually fine with – they’re supposed to dish out confusion – your thieves on the other hand – bleh. I’m not going to type what I think about perplexity engies.

Someone from mag does not have anything to say about plex engineers, unless you are admitting to having too many.

Ya that was a fun 1v1. As I said in /p after I was down to about 800 life and 10 seconds on my heal :P

are you mad i beat you 1v2 warthog?

TBH 8 sec cooldown just matches my play style perfectly.

This isn’t the first time i have seen this suggestion and it is a good one.

/signed

Evalana.5480:

Guys. I am gonna transfer to BG again because their PPT is bigger and size matters. I don’t wanna fight anymore… I just want to afk in East Keep on a treb spamming 2 for days into Southeast Tower all night because I want to keep PPT stronk. If they attack my treb, no big deal, I will hop on a well-placed arrowcart and scare them away. If they manage to take down my treb, also no big deal, because I ask in map chat and someone will send me 20 superior for being a good team player!

Bee Gee is the life for mee

Too hard, trying you are… maybe you speak yoda?

.25/10 troll attempt

speaking of zerging on PvF…..

hahahaha..

Zikory.6871:

Hexin.5603:

I’m going to pop in a sec here to throw back to a week prior to the season … Mags pushed to get into gold. That was a hard push too btw, much like TC trying now.

That was not only admirable, that was an impressive week. If anything, coming to gold league has benefited mags with there new friends/new guilds that have decided to join forces during the season. Even if it’s not much… it still has benefited them. As it has with SoS.

So whether the season is a tank/crapshot who cares… in the end I think your servers respectively gained from it.

In fact, I’d go as far as to say SoS and Mag’s are lining themselves up for the new map. That is all.

How does the Mag peeps feel about all the FA talking about how they tanked scores to get into Silver? I’m probably reading to far into it but it sounds like if FA didn’t tank the scores Mag would still be in silver.

The fact that FA tanked their scores is moot, outside of showing what type of gamers they are. Mag fought hard to get to gold league and that really shows what type of players they are. Server strength is based on population and Mag overcame that shortcoming by playing hard.

I have also noticed that pyro as well as a few other guilds are doing what they can to show that they can play the t1 meta with heavy frontline(real heavy) and some solid backliners supplemented by kitten glass. Thanks for coming out and fighting hard.

Aon is a troll guild but I like that they kite away the pugs not on ts. I have heard a bunch of drivers say “oh, its AoN, they wont fight, they just run and pick off the pugs” I like this little service you do us :P

Party up with the commander on the map and stick to him like glue. You will keep him moving and alive. If he has good movement in combat you will farm bags all day long.

Junkpile.7439:

Staff and hammer, over 1k healing power, stamina sigils and you are good to go.

reduced cd on shouts and soldier runes and cleanse on shouts.

I vote Mags. the 9th ranked server who fights for the fights played ppt well enough to make gold league, which was their stated goal when the leagues were announced. This is the complete opposite of what FA did which was tank their score so they were in 7th place and could have an easy run of it in silver league.

Also Magummiebears are the undisputed champs in PvF.

Evalana.5480:

Hi. Wasn’t trolling at all. Just being honest. Seriously who has fun standing at an enemy spawn waiting with baited breath for that one person to run out so they can zerg them? Apparently Blackgate, haha. They really should seriously consider stepping out and visiting the sunlight once in a while, or stare at the stars (depending on the side of the planet they are on), or – heaven forbid! Social interaction!!

I would be so bored out of my mind tower sitting on an arrowcart, or manning an open field ballista at an enemy spawn, that I’d either transfer or quit the game!

You’re trying to hard dear. I would figure your time on mags would have shown you less is more sometimes.

Hey I just got my 3rd character to max defense against guards. Gratz to me. 345 wxp ranks all dedicated to the same trait line. That is awesome character progression there…

Gilgamesh.7364:

So between SoS and Maguuma, who wants to to take 2nd place?

I think if Mag makes 2nd this week we can enable a tie for fifth. This would give the Gummybears troll material whenever they face SOS and make some interesting matchup threads.

speaking of mag trolls…

Evalana.5480:

So is that all BG does this time of day? Stand around at every spawn entrance and wait for one solo roamer to come out to wander around? That really can’t be much fun for you guys… and if you find it fun, you should probably open that door and step outside for a bit. Wooow. Lmao.

Don’t worry, I’m not crying – I legitimately feel bad for you guys if this is what you enjoy to do XD

Hi Evalana. this is a 2/10.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Arrow-Carts-can-hit-hard-to-reach-places/first#post2017966

I posted about this 6 months ago too…

Almost every example of this is a wider Field of View from multiple monitors or adjusting the height of the window. It isn’t an exploit because it is the answer Anet has provided for people who play with multiple monitors.

Jocksy.3415:

eithinan.9841:

Jocksy.3415:

Anyway. I do understand about progression, about people who wants to put their points according to the class…

But I find it bad that the more I play my ranger, the stronger it becomes, the less attractive my other char become.

It is already bad enough that laurels are needed for pretty much all elevated items, which makes it hard to stuff all characters – If I feel useless on top of that when I play an alt, yes, it does takes most of the fun away…

The Wxp abilities are not class specific so single character progression is superfluous. If Anet had left leg specialist as it was on AC’s and updated other classes to be more focused on specific siege your statement might hold more weight.

Laurels and ascended, I am on board with you on this. They made the biggest mistake not having some sort of wvw only way of getting ascended trinkets. Fractals suck.

I do not understand your statement :
“The Wxp abilities are not class specific so single character progression is superfluous. If Anet had left leg specialist as it was on AC’s and updated other classes to be more focused on specific siege your statement might hold more weight.”
in relation to my post…

Is it because I mentionned the class?
Did I gave the impressions I wanted my ranger to have special abilities my other classes / characters wouldn’t have?
That was not what I meant… I meant I feel I am obligated to play with my main because of all the points it has, even if I would sometimes enjoy some change, the enjoyment is greatly lessened by the fact I cannot have a “useful” role in the group…

I want WXP to be account bound, so that I can enjoy all my characters – so that I do not have to wonder every time I play an alt “oh, right, what did this toon have, as mastery? Oh, only a few points in supply and AC… (sight)”.

Because I am playing off hours, when we are very few people, all improvements and ups count… thus, the other players know I have points in rams, AC, catapults, we leave the sieges to the players who have the most points in it – logic… Then, when I play an alt, I do not have any of those useful points – I feel useless to the team…

I was pointing out that since the wxp abilities are “generic” and no classes really benefit for going one WXP line over another, That the character or class progression argument that has been out there is invalid.

Demannu.2805:

I just love all that stories about BG ’’buying’’ ZDs. Like i said in other psts if you like to see it that way, so shall it be ! By the way here is our pricelist for Season 2:

ZDs coming to your server with 40 man raid: 40 000 gold
ZDs moving our from your oponent server: 200 000 gold
ZDs players get shot: 200 000 000 gold
ZDs t-shirts, kittens: 15 000 gold per unit
ZDs themed jingle: 3500 (-25%) gold !!!

Cheers

Champion of Khorne

I’m just going to leave this here.

Heta.8629:

This thread should be locked because you are making a duplicate of a thread they locked and gave reasons for locking. Just wait until this new info comes out instead of risking an infraction for breaking the code of conduct

civil disobedience noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Refusal to obey government demands or commands and nonresistance to consequent arrest and punishment. It is used especially as a nonviolent and usually collective means of forcing government concessions and has been a major tactic of nationalist movements in Africa and India, of the U.S. civil rights movement, and of labour and antiwar movements in many countries. Civil disobedience is a symbolic or ritualistic violation of the law, rather than a rejection of the system as a whole. The civil disobedient, finding legitimate avenues of change blocked or nonexistent, sees himself as obligated by a higher, extralegal principle to break some specific law. By submitting to punishment, the civil disobedient hopes to set a moral example that will provoke the majority or the government into effecting meaningful political, social, or economic change. The philosophical roots of civil disobedience lie deep in Western thought. Cicero, Thomas Aquinas, and John Locke, among others, appealed to systems of natural law that take precedence over the laws created by communities or states (positive law). More modern advocates and practitioners of civil disobedience include Henry David Thoreau, Mohandas K. Gandhi, and Martin Luther King, Jr.

TL:DR I am willing to risk punishment to peacefully state my beliefs.

L2Escort….

:P It’s annoying when they affect wvw elements, but the centaurs and skritt can ave their events.

umm… I just look for the travel icon. If it says talk I move a little to the right or left. I hope this helps.

Both cc and stability are OP, if used by well coordinated groups on uncoordinated groups. Conditions are only OP if you have no reliable way to cleanse. One is a build issue and the other is a skill issue.

ok, with revealed and all that you were being hit 1 time every 4 seconds for 3-4k damage? That doesnt seem to hard to deal with. Be glad he didn’t hit a backstab.

I would love to state my opinion on this but the bold text got me in trouble before.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I remember reading something about these being looked at because the develpers didn’t like how they were working.

They will probably get changed to loosing any stacks you have when you swap out to a weapon set that does not have the sigil that created those stacks.

I would not hold your breath to get changed to what you desire.

please do this.

Gumby.1708:

Ragnar.4257:

The “reason” is that it’s supposed to be a form of character progression.

It states that you can see the current system as character progression … the problem is it doesnt explain why it is implemented as a character progression instead of an account progression, although the latter makes much more sense.

If there exists a reasonable explanation why they cant make it account bound, they should make it clear and state that reason so all can accept their decision and be happy. As of now you can only imagine that they are greedy and want to sell more wxp boosters, since wxp grinding is already a massive timesink on one character and having the same amount of wxp/ranks on your alt characters doesnt change the flow of the game in wvw (because you already have those advantages on another character which you could use instead).

….

Ricky.4706:

eithinan.9841:

roll over and take it….

is that what you think is representative of anet’s “philosophy” ?

I cannot respond to this with my personal opinion because it would get me infracted.

roll over and take it….

SoPP.7034:

Rigel.3092:

WvW is an individual toon progressions system (other than overall WvW achievements).

That, in and of itself is a contradiction -.-

Badges of honor are account bound and have been since release.

Gumby.1708:

Maybe they want to sell more wxp boosters … which i wont buy because a really minor boost on a short time limit for one character doesnt sound appealing. On the opposite what it does sound like is that anet is community-unfriendly and greedy.

This. Greed and money. I would love to see how many of those stupid things have been bought.

it ends dec 5, but NA gold league results will in fact be decided on the 22nd.

Tibstrike.2974:

eithinan.9841:

thief only has the dagger storm stability on a 180 cd. I dont think 3 mins is on demand…

Venoms with Lyssa runes. 5 seconds of stability every 40 seconds or less.

do you REALLY want to play venom share??? And the post said stability was on demand for all those classes. dedicating a 6 piece rune set immediately disqualifies itself from the “on demand” point

Cuddlepie.8109:

etrigan.4213:

Hey MAG…FA here, how are you dealing with all the terrible guilds on BG and SoR?

Hmmm … judging from mos.millenium, probably exactly the same as EB, IOJ and the rest of Silver League are doing against your stacked, zerging server?

@FA guy, At least mag wanted to be in gold league and fought to get here unlike FA who tanked their PPT to have an easy win in silver. Mag has garnered much respect IMO.

bradderzh.2378:

eithinan.9841:

nope.

It doesn’t cancel out. It works exactly as I described. There are a few builds that have upwards of -90% duration and it is a HARD counter for any condition damage build. I believe there is an ele build and a warrior build for that.

Are you sure? Did you run tests? Reason I say is because I made the exact same point as you and someone provided me with this answer in this thread.

as a matter of fact I did test it.

Gumby.1708:

Maybe they want to sell more wxp boosters … which i wont buy because a really minor boost on a short time limit for one character doesnt sound appealing. On the opposite what it does sound like is that anet is community-unfriendly and greedy.

This. Greed and money. I would love to see how many of those stupid things have been bought.

thief only has the dagger storm stability on a 180 cd. I dont think 3 mins is on demand…

Jocksy.3415:

Anyway. I do understand about progression, about people who wants to put their points according to the class…

But I find it bad that the more I play my ranger, the stronger it becomes, the less attractive my other char become.

It is already bad enough that laurels are needed for pretty much all elevated items, which makes it hard to stuff all characters – If I feel useless on top of that when I play an alt, yes, it does takes most of the fun away…

The Wxp abilities are not class specific so single character progression is superfluous. If Anet had left leg specialist as it was on AC’s and updated other classes to be more focused on specific siege your statement might hold more weight.

Laurels and ascended, I am on board with you on this. They made the biggest mistake not having some sort of wvw only way of getting ascended trinkets. Fractals suck.

JaredKincade.9761:

People have been saying WvW is dying since month 2.

Leagues have put more people into WvW than have been in there for months, the queues were bad, for all servers in that first week, thats a GOOD THING for WvW, it means people are playing, and it means people find that its worth waiting for. If the devs had put even an ounce of thought into the schedule, we wouldn’t have this stupid repetitive matchup problem, and JQ SOR and BG would probably all have full queues still.

If queues get too long for individuals, or even for guilds, they will transfers off and go lower, something I think everyone can agree is a good thing. That was DIEs main reason for leaving SOR and BG has lost several guilds to it and after seasons are over I’m sure some more will too.

Things will continue to shift and change just like it always has.

^^^ignores the fact that the queue’s were filled with PvE achievement hunters not people invested in WvW.

Kalla.4290:

zhonnika.1784:

Kiff.8157:

Kreen.3925:

Hobbitz.5831:

My sources tell me that Waha and almost all of ATM/FoO walked away from Guild Wars 2 this week. Looks like BG will be the last server standing at the end after all.

Congrats BG, you have earned your right to PvDoor for the rest of GW2’s existance.

Lol, suggest you find a better source, yours are rubbish.

I guess its just wishful thinking from BlackHoleGate.

You realize that that was SOR and the wishful thinking he wished for BG right?

Did not realize that. In that case, I apologize! Not sure why SoR would start such a rumor o.o

The dude’s name is BlackHoleGate, obviously a troll name…also what says he/she is from SoR or represents the entire server? Should I pick an obvious troll from JQ and BG and say they represent their entire servers respectively?

Look at the sig.

Now if we are talking about DOTs having the chance to crit based off precision then we may be open to more discussion on this topic.

thief p/d, shortbow 0,0,30,15,25.

Tibstrike.2974:

eithinan.9841:

bradderzh.2378:

eithinan.9841:

clint.5681:

And then you consider condition duration food/traits/gear and your condition reduction food is usless.

This post does not recognize how the mechanics work. If you max stacked 100% condition duration and applied a base 5 second bleed which with 100% duration, which takes heavy stacking, is 10 seconds. Take -60% condition duration and you get 4 second bleeds.

-condi duration > +condi duration.

While that’s correct math wise, I think people have proven that, in this game at least, 40% inc and a 40% dec cancel each other out.

nope.

It doesn’t cancel out. It works exactly as I described. There are a few builds that have upwards of -90% duration and it is a HARD counter for any condition damage build. I believe there is an ele build and a warrior build for that.

You are correct, but that is probably all those builds do. I imagine they put out crap for damage. Well, maybe not for warrior, but that’s because they can do whatever the hell they want and still have ok damage.

Pretty much.
The point of this thread though is how condition damage and duration is overpowered. I disagree with this assessment though for the reasons I posted and tools available. If a player chooses not to use powers or traits that are for survival and go only for BIG DEEPS, they are bad. This seems to be the main issue with the OP. He wants Anet to nerf all conditions because of his badness.

I also wanted to point out that to make an informed argument about these things you need to discuss it from a place of knowledge not assumption. So If one does not know how the mechanics work maybe they should experiment for themselves before posting about a topic they are woefully uninformed on.

bradderzh.2378:

eithinan.9841:

clint.5681:

And then you consider condition duration food/traits/gear and your condition reduction food is usless.

This post does not recognize how the mechanics work. If you max stacked 100% condition duration and applied a base 5 second bleed which with 100% duration, which takes heavy stacking, is 10 seconds. Take -60% condition duration and you get 4 second bleeds.

-condi duration > +condi duration.

While that’s correct math wise, I think people have proven that, in this game at least, 40% inc and a 40% dec cancel each other out.

nope.

It doesn’t cancel out. It works exactly as I described. There are a few builds that have upwards of -90% duration and it is a HARD counter for any condition damage build. I believe there is an ele build and a warrior build for that.

clint.5681:

And then you consider condition duration food/traits/gear and your condition reduction food is usless.

This post does not recognize how the mechanics work. If you max stacked 100% condition duration and applied a base 5 second bleed which with 100% duration, which takes heavy stacking, is 10 seconds. Take -60% condition duration and you get 4 second bleeds.

-condi duration > +condi duration.

Classy? careful there, the GummieBears get offended at that type of talk.

disagree.

Conditions can be cleansed, white damage can be mitigated by toughness. If conditions were mitigated by toughness then the cleanses would need to be adjusted to not wipe out a full 25 stack of bleeds or vulns or confusions for balance.

You are right that condition damage can “condition damage and duration can be stacked to absurd amounts” but duration is again entirely mitigated by cleanses wiping out full stacks. The key thing is if a Damage Over Time power is wiped out when the stacks are high without them sitting for much TIME, then you ruined the enemies rotation and spike damage.

^^^this was for roaming and dueling.

For zerging, condition duration is almost meaningless considering all the random cleanses flying, and in organized groups not so random.

You are correct that no single cc should have more than a few seconds of duration. I do not think any single one does TBH in GW2. Not sure about that. But multiple cc in WvW is a result of not having one of those common timers where you are immune to CC in other mmo’s.

I am glad for that TBH. I think in large scale combat that would be a mechanic that would break the game though. I like the thought that an organized group can chain cc a bunch of bad players with no real stability of stun breaks on their button bar. Thats what the baddies have sacrificed for those big deeps and tons of huge numbers on their screen.

From one thief to another, I would like to say well done WP troll. You got the guy to rage really hard. I am a little taken aback that you let them get the drop on you with the stealth trap. But dont feel bad, every one of us has been caught by a stealth trap after hours of trolling the same keep.

Cheers,
Another Nefarious Keep WP Thief-“Bot”

or some indication that it popped and you missed it even.