Way to many trolls and hypocrites attracted to this thread. one section of players can milk another section for gold with the end beneficiary are the only people that could sort it.the thread is pointless.
And lets not forget the lucrative business that has sprung up with the introduction of raids,that give some greedy folk massive profit,last night i seen wing 3 being sold for 1900g, now none of the folk coming on to this thread to argue in defence of 150 insights would do so in an effort to protect there profits would you.of course not.
if you take a dump every day and im every other day, both are regular and successful
your abusing the term to fit what suits you best.when a new wing is launched it could be that players would move on to that and leave the one they already repeated till they a sick of it.but no in anet land your forced to repeat the old wing even though theres a new wing you would rather be learning
challenge or skill are not whats getting you the reward its forced repetition of content ie grind.and that is exactly why hot done so bad.
They talked about balancing it so that players that raid regularly and successfully wouldn’t need to grind for LI’s.
This means we have the upper limit (not more than “successful players can earn”). And they have numbers between 1-150 to play with
Regularly and successfully could have meant 5 or 6 bosses a week but anet got to go all OSD on us and make it every single boss every single week for 4 months.
and 5 or six bosses a week is closer to what the guy without a static can be expected to get in a week,and if a 4 month time gate is what they wanted that would work out at 85 or 102.They must have come up with a way to pay staff and bills with skillz instead of money and dont need us no more.
Of course the line has to be drawn some were,but at 150 its drawn in favour of those in static groups.what is being asked for is a reduction.even reducing it to 100 would be a big step in reducing the time it takes for more average raiders using lfg.they talked about balancing the number needed.is it intended that mr average raider without a static group take 6 month to a year to finish.
yes its 25 LI per piece and we need 6 of them for a full set 6×25=150 =horrible time gate ,worse for those using lfg without a static.I really dont get the point your trying to make.and it was said it would all be crafted as one not in parts.do you have new info on that. come on get real. the set will probably have some visual effect,just wouldnt be the same runing around just legendary boots.
It’s a test of dedication. If you can’t grasp that fact, then that’s your problem.
As for wipe farming, it’s a deliberate abuse.
Ye lets call the longest time gate yet added to the game a test of dedication.
Legendary armour will be a status symbol to some of you so you want to keep it to yourself s as much as you can,Why cant you be happy that most players wont get it because they cant do the content.why must you insist that those that can but not in organized raid guilds or static groups be penalized further with this ridiculous time gate.150 insights says nothing about skill just your ability to find a group reliably every week.
what it all comes down to is how exclusive do anet want this armour to be.
is it only intended as a high end reward for skilled players in static groups
was it not intended that the reward would attract new players to raids,if so would they not be the ones affected the most by the 150 insights and time gate.what i have noticed is not a single person says 150 is to low,that would suggest its on the extreme upper end of acceptable.
People don’t want grind but they don’t realize that is what keeps players doing content and thus keeping MMO’s alive. No developer can roll out enough content to keep players consistently engaged and busy. Grind has been a staple in many MMO’s and even RPG’s themselves. If people dislike them then perhaps they’re playing the wrong genre?
You´re right, but the “grind” isn´t the real problem of the most players complaining about the required insights here. Insofar we´re leading a fake discussion in many parts. Just look at previous posts (in other threads) from a lot of those players, there are a lot like “Tequatl is too difficult – nerv!”, “Gerent is too difficult – nerv!”, “Hero challenges are too difficult – nerv!” And they´re always pretending to speak for “the player base”.
Remembering that it´s obvious that the real problem of a lot of those players is the fact they´re not able to get the insights (soon) due to lack of skill or due to lack of effort. But they figured out that complaining about “grind” or “massive time gates” is much more accepted than complaining about difficulty.
And it sounds much better than statements like “I can´t get them cause I´m lacking skill”, “I´m too lazy to search for a capable group”, “I missed raiding at the beginning but I don´t want to wait for the armor” or “I want to faceroll content like I always did and get the Armor anyway”. But those statements would be more honest in many cases.
If they were serious with their grind issues, they would complain about farming gold/T6 Mats/provisioner tokens. But most of them don´t, cause in reality they´re fine with farming Silvervastes or Cursed Shore and pressing 1-1-1. And they can´t accept that there is a reward they can´t achive this way now.
no your right grind isnt the problem,well not the only problem.the main problem is that the game is being taken in a direction most players would rather it didnt go.
am i implying i represent these people,no,but i read the forums.
Oh thats awesome news,does that mean if we work on the bits individually it wont take us in excess of 4 months to get our legendary armour. that could also solve a lot of problems in real life,buy one shoe and in a few weeks when we got more money buy the other.your a genius.but seriously you do understand its a set.you breaking in down in to 6 parts dont change anything.
And if all the players that didnt like grind and time gates in hot all moved to a different genre instead of complaining for change on the forums were would we be?
OF course content needs a lvl of grind and time gates,its the sheer scale of it with 150 insights and 4 months to maybe a year for some players that is the problem.people play games including this one to have fun.get the balance wrong you remove the fun,remove the fun you loose the players.game over.
Were is the functionality of single pieces of legendary armour,you dont get that till you got the set.at the end of the day it is anets decision and we all need live with that.
They launched Hot and a lot of players complain about grind and time gates,they made it less grindy and reduced or removed the time gates.do you think players dont like grind and time gates in expansions but like it in raids.no thats silly.raids only cater to a small percentage of players so there wont be the same number of complaints,but as new players try out raids and come to realise the time gate and grind put in front of the rewards complaints will grow steadily.
In the process of getting the 150 LI, you can get SIX, yes SIX legendary items. What number was that again? SIX. It really comes down to 2.8 WEEKS per legendary item if you clear all bosses. This will get even easier as they add more raids as they have given no indication that each raid will have its own unique insight.
Legendary armour will be equivalent to one legendary weapon not 6,but you use the term item because you know that. and thats a big IF you clear all 9 bosses. anet have never once reused a currency,why would they do it this time.
No one playing this game likes long time gates,and this is the longest yet,sure you and your chums are ok with a time gate that wont affect you.
Raids might be fun,learning all of the mechanics and defeating all 3 wings might be fun,doing that over again might be fun,but the more you do it the less fun it will become.and grinding out 150 insights for months will extract all pleasure from this raid for most people.
To me these exceptionally long time gates might be an indication that future raids are way further off than some think,as in its all your getting better make it last.
So the folk that are ok with 150 LI and a minimum 4 month time gate are ok with long time gates in general,and if 4 month is ok were does it stop,how long do you guys think is to long?would 6 months or even a full year not be all the more epic and legendary ?I suspect it is only ok to some of you because to you its not a gate,its past tense.
There is no logical reason for someone who already has ~150 LI would need to go out of there way to defend the 150 LI except out of spite or regret for the time they already put it.
If they aren’t anywhere near 150 LI and defend it, they obviously are a glut for punishment or just found a good raid guild.
Anyone with half a brain can see that the average time gate for most people is WAY over 4 months (more like 9-12), and it has no logical reason to be that way.
Kill gor 5 times = 5 weeks (easy times)
300 provisioner tokens @ 3 a day = ~3.5 months (easy times)
150 LI @ 9 week = 4 months (Omega Level)
Which of these are not like the others?
Point is, just make the LI a daily thing with restrictions to keep it from being overly easy and the problem goes away. 150 LI is not the issue, its the time between resets.
if you read some of the posts on this thread then apparently legendary armour wasn’t meant for most folk and thats why anet balanced it around skilled players in statics.
to me thats not balanced.
Why do some of you players with static groups and 120 -140 LI not want the number and associated time gate lowered from 150 LI?
What is the big deal to some of you guys with lowering it just a bit to 80-100 li this selfish we already done all the work and got ours is not good for raids or the game.
One of the biggest complaints about HOT was the unnecessary grind and time gates.
and what has now been added now to raids 150 li again grind and 4 month+ time gate.
anet claimed they learned something from the player uproar,they learned nothing.
next expansion will make or break this game.learn to learn anet
Raids were part of HOT and that is considered a failed expansion by most.
anets claims of raids being a success if true only apply to the niche audience apparently its intended for.More players have left this game because of anet bad choices than will ever do raids.raids to a lot of players being one of the bad choices,in that context the word success dont really apply.
Yes Raids are niche and i would have thought they would need to attract a larger audience if anet is to continue developing content for them.and 4 month time gates wont help that.
I get it,some of you guys like grind and massive time gates.probably nothing better to do with your time.most p[lay this game for entertainment and have real lives,jobs ,wifes, kids, and do not want there rewards locked away behind grind and a 4 month time gate.
your definition of success is different from mine.to me success is doing your best with what you got.and if your happy with 150 insights good for you,seems thats what we got.
but since i come on this forum as a means of communicating my dissatisfaction to anet how you feel about it is irrelevant.
Anet stated that the number of insights needed would be balanced around players who played regularly and successfully. Since they set it at 150 insights total for all six pieces of legendary armor, that would imply every week and clearing the available wing(s). It obviously does not mean clear only those bosses which you’re capable of clearing.
I am free to disagree with you that there is an issue just as you are free to disagree with me that there isn’t. Neither side’s position is irrelevant.
And it obviously means anet wants us to repeat content long after we beet all the raid bosses and finished the collection for no other real reason but to add artificial life span to that content.
Why do you guys who farm raids feel so special now whwn u have 100+ li ? U do understand no matter what , other players must do collections to so li is just literally pointless grind that would keep them away from more fun things they wish to do in gw2, wvw, pvp maybe , rp ? Those ppl have all right to get armor if they put work to collection and only thing that stops them is pointless grind.
i totally agree with you.this added grind for 150 insights makes the collection rather pointless.
drawn out time gates and grind is were anet want to go not what most players want.
and its not a time gate to those coming on here saying 150 is fine.they will all get there legendary armour the day its released.
your definition of success is different from mine.to me success is doing your best with what you got.and if your happy with 150 insights good for you,seems thats what we got.
but since i come on this forum as a means of communicating my dissatisfaction to anet how you feel about it is irrelevant.
the problem that most players face and you choose to ignore is the time spent lfg
that far outweighs the time spent doing the raids.and that is what makes 150 insights unfair to players without static groups.
And what if its the five hardest and its 5/5 as him and the group he struggled to find had real life and he only had time for five.Your argument is ludicrous.
still ends up with a 7 month time gate.
But of course if he was serious about raiding he would give up his job, divorce his wife and wear adult diapers.
Yes and i have told you over and over that if a player was killing five bosses every week it would still be regular and with success.the fact that you try to ram your opinions down other peoples throat changes nothing.but this guy spending way longer than you and your static group has to spend hours every week just finding a group before he even starts getting his insights. and for this guy the time gate is over 7 months.
Well 140 would be closer to fine than 150 is.130 even closer.
4 months time gate if you can find a group every week and kill all the bosses is nuts.
and your average raider would struggle to get 5 a week thats over 7 month time gate.
your not meant to grow old working on this are you.im already old i dont want die of old age during a time gate.
because that wouldn’t be balanced ether.balenced would be some were in between what the best raiders who come by insights easy and what the guys struggling to find groups and get insights can get.
we were told that if we had been regularly raiding successfully we wouldn’t need to grind.
but anet has a very different definition of the meaning of regular,to them its every single boss every single week since raids first launched.,and to those starting out its a minimum 4 month time gate if they can kill every single boss every week.
Regularly = Frequency as in does a player raid often
Successfully = How well a player/group performed
Yes il agree regular does mean often but when does often mean you need to have killed every single raid boss every single week since launch. You guys and your suck it up its easy to get 150 insights ltp attitude represents less than 5% of the player base.but your fine that the game suffers and bleeds players wile it goes were only you want,your all that awsome you dont need the rest of the players playing this game.problem is anet needs them for an income.
guild wars 2 is an escape for me,and before raids i had the best of everything on my warrior, full ascended 3 legendarys. i did not ask to have my armour down graded to second best and only try maintain what i had.i did not ask for or want raids, i liked the way the game was before.i did not ask them to lock the new best armour behind raids or 150 LI. I do understand people who can find groups with ease and clear the wings are entitled to something to show there accomplishment.its not my fault anet chose armour.
These forums are the only means players have to influence anet decisions, and that is why i come here with my views and opinions.of course in a forum like this peoples views and opinions will differ,and i come here to share mine not change yours.why then can i not please get the same courtesy,instead of personal insults.
Because you dont see the connection anet sells gems =gold,and large amounts of gold pays for runs to get insights,does not mean no connection exists. and since anet has been making money from the sale of legendary weapons for years why is it to far a step to think they might have set up raids and the new legendary armour as a new cash cow.
i have no problem with anet doing what they have always done.its a matter of scale.
and it needs lowed from 150LI. Anet new only a small percentage would be able to raid,did they not know some of those not able to access raids would pay real money to get the new legendary armour?
misleading isnt lieing. and i dont get why a few of you guys are so set on keeping the number of insights at 150.what difference would it really make to lower it to 90 or a 100.
or let us buy an extra one a week with margonite shards.
i suspect its because some folk are selling runs and are just greedy.
Are you still not able to handle a proper discussion? Stop repeating things that are not true.
You were already told that Anet has 0.0% influence on people selling raids due to multiple reasons. They clearly mentioned that they allow it but won’t support it or won’t be considerate of selling while bugfixing or implementing new features within the LFG-system.
Also, if you have a look at the LFG (stands for EU) you will notice that there are barely any guild selling runs. Yes, there are some out there but if anything there is 1 guild at a time, not more, that is selling raid runs and even this offer isn’t available consistently. So, please stop making up conspiracy theories and argue in an adult manner.
It’s is rly getting annoying to read untrue arguments or the same ones over and over again although they had been proven wrong.
facts
anet sell gems
gems buy gold
gold buys runs
anet set number of runs hence price at 150 LI
All true
Now of course its in some peoples interest to argue that 150 insights are fine they could be the ones selling the runs.NOW what part of what im saying isnt true?
You might not like what i say,but it is true.Anet didnt directly sell the last lot of legendary but thy were sold and anet made profit.Its just on a whole different scale this time.
we were told that if we had been regularly raiding successfully we wouldn’t need to grind.
but anet has a very different definition of the meaning of regular,to them its every single boss every single week since raids first launched.,and to those starting out its a minimum 4 month time gate if they can kill every single boss every week.
If you’re regularly raiding its not a grind to begin with…..
Look we all get you’re upset that your needs aren’t expressly being catered to, but that
doesn’t mean Anet lied to you.
misleading isnt lieing. and i dont get why a few of you guys are so set on keeping the number of insights at 150.what difference would it really make to lower it to 90 or a 100.
or let us buy an extra one a week with margonite shards.
i suspect its because some folk are selling runs and are just greedy.
we were told that if we had been regularly raiding successfully we wouldn’t need to grind.
but anet has a very different definition of the meaning of regular,to them its every single boss every single week since raids first launched.,and to those starting out its a minimum 4 month time gate if they can kill every single boss every week.
I am player who is really ill rl. I like to play raids but i cant take part to pro raid guild , due to rl “rotation” . I manage to get 3-4 li per week if try hard. Should i also give up on legi armor coz im not capable of following the pace. I wish i could have chance but this number i know is to much for me. Its just how i feel wanted to say , wish u all gl.
I dont think Anet should go to the lowest possible denominator when it comes to legendary items. Besides if you can get only 4 LI (which is basically just the easiest bosses you can do) per week you still have 150 LI after just 37,5 weeks.
so a 9 month time gate is ok.
right.
It is only 9 months for the bad people. I kill all 9 bosses on several accounts because it is so easy compared to raids in other games.
And we bow to your greatness,but anet should not have balanced the number of insights needed around the tinny. fraction of players like you
I am player who is really ill rl. I like to play raids but i cant take part to pro raid guild , due to rl “rotation” . I manage to get 3-4 li per week if try hard. Should i also give up on legi armor coz im not capable of following the pace. I wish i could have chance but this number i know is to much for me. Its just how i feel wanted to say , wish u all gl.
I dont think Anet should go to the lowest possible denominator when it comes to legendary items. Besides if you can get only 4 LI (which is basically just the easiest bosses you can do) per week you still have 150 LI after just 37,5 weeks.
so a 9 month time gate is ok.
right.
no its not ok,and a 4 month minimum time gate is bang out of order also.but we got folk on here that already got close to 150 from raiding guilds probably selling runs that do not want to loose that income claiming this 150 LI madness is ok.
That opinion does not reflect what most people playing HOT thought,hence it got nerfed.Anet is in the business of providing entertainment for a large mmo audience
that have supported them for years.They seem to have forgot what that audience like.
They gave us Tequatl the Sunless, and that still fills several maps every single day every 4 hours.Now they give us raids and all the bullkitten that goes with them and claim we asked for them. approximately 5% play them and they hail it a great success,ignoring the 95% that dont. But in the off chance some of that 95% might want to try raids to get that legendary armour they add in 150 legendary grindsights.stupid or gready im not sure.
maybe both.
The vast majority of people playing this game provide the vast majority of anets income and seem to be unhappy with the choices and direction anet has taken guild wars 2.
anet claim to learn lessons but i just cant see what it is they think they have learned.
certainly not that most guild wars 2 players dont like grind.
Yes im convinced there are a tinny fraction of players playing this game that are more than happy that anet has developed content solely for them in the last 8 months and balanced the number of legendary grindsights needed for legendary armour around keeping the bulk of players far away from the chosen fews rewards and maybe making a few $$$$$ in the process.
why should anet make the game we paid for?your right,they should take our money and make the game for the skilled and eleet players,that 5% deserves it.
Yeah, you paid for the game so Anet should do everything you want.
Personally, I always wanted to play a Unicorn, I paid 60 kittening $ for this game!!!, why isn’t there a Unicorn playable race?!?! Take care of this immediately Anet!
No my dear chap im talking about the 95% of players with no interest in raids .
im talking about 100% of players paying for content for 8 months for 5% of the player base.But as i said im now ok with 150 legendary grindsights its what a tinny portion of players seem to want and anet is all about minority interests.
I’m glad I convinced you that 150 is a fine number, with that I assume you will now stop commenting on the subject
as for legendary grindsights 150 is a fitting number.
as for you shutting me up,i think not
you never know if the thread goes on long enough anet might take time out from developing minority content and read it.
