Guild Wars 2

To quote the late and great Joe Strummer, “If you’re after getting the honey. Then you don’t go killing all the bees.”

Its fine if you want to crap all over everyone’s GvG fights. That’s totally within your rights. Just don’t expect people to want to GvG with you in return. If you’re not looking to make friends and GvG then who cares.

Pretty simple stuff.

From what i’ve seen servers with the most action would be any of the top 2 tiers.

Jade Quarry, BlackGate, and Sanctum of Rall all have a very active WvW battle going on at that time frame. I would strongly urge new players to go to Sanctum of Rall as their community is top notch and while their population is the lowest and in the most need of players, they do not stop fighting, ever.

Between BG and JQ is a toss up. BG has a bit more organized guilds running, JQ has a bit more population. BG will be more organized within groups and JQ is a bit more organized overall on the map as they are a bit more inclusive with those not in their main guilds (mainly because while they have a server Teamspeak, they still use /m chat extensively). Either one will have a good showing of teammates and enemies to fight on the map with no real queues to speak of.

Tier 2 i know less about.

Below that there are a few servers with active populations in those timezones but as this is my main playtime as well I ended up not having a lot of fun in the lower tiers (3 and below) as I would find myself in situations where I would have plenty of teammates but there would be few to no enemies on the map for long stretches and vice versa.

I had several particularly frustrating evenings in T4 going for many hours with fewer than 10 teammates huddled around a breakout commander as dragonbrand sat outside with 30-40 players. That sort of thing is no fun for either team. That sort of situation does not happen in Tier 1 and I doubt it happens in Tier 2 often. As such I would not recommend the middle tiers for non-NA players. I have no clue about Tier 6/7/8.

FractalChaos.6539:

SUCK IT UP, THIEVES!!!! =P

No more near-perma stealth or attacking from stealth for j00. Seriously, I think that aspect of it thrills me more than anything else lol!!

unless they changed the thief class itself both near perma stealth and attacking from stealth are still possible.

those two things are not dependant on culling. it is only a few people who do not play or understand thieves who propagate that myth.

Trikki.5803:

Pmetheus.5397:

breaking the unspoken truce zone that everyone has set aside for GvG?

I think you only speak for a small minority of people, certainly not everyone…

Killing you doesn’t mean I don’t respect you.

Where we come from, Red is dead. Sorry.

Where I come from red is just friends who haven’t server changed yet.

zamalek.2154:

Personally I don’t have a problem with stealth, but people are complaining – so something can clearly be improved: like it or not.

Still, the bugs with stealth need to be fixed before anything else happens.

Currently, as i pointed out earlier, the nameplate is bugged and i’m told there is a culling issue.

Game shouldn’t be balanced around the bugs unless we’re absolutely certain the bugs will never be fixed.

Those bugs are the only things that need to change at this exact moment. As they could be all or part of the entire cause of so much frustration.

DivineBeing.2086:

Score update hopefully.

you ask for a score update, then post one from the future?

DivineBeing.2086:

Score update for those at work or school.

yep yep

Dynheart.5402:

Why does it seem like that every time BG is here, the threads turn into a 2V1 war?

It really didn’t. It turned into a thread about chastising the guy who brought up the 2v1 subject.

I haven’t seen anyone claiming BG is losing because of 2v1 or complaining about 2v1. Pot claims to have seen one post about it some page or three back and I believe him.

I must have missed this post complaining about 2v1 everyone keeps raving about.

Maybe we should continue talking about it for several more pages though just to keep the theme alive.

snacktime.1082:

Mikitten058:

Monsoon.2589:

I think it is really funny that two servers have to double team in order to fight Blackgate. Tonight I saw in EB first hand that you guys are communicating and organizing mutual defense/offenses.

The fact that you are double teaming to beat BG is rather pathetic.

JQ and BG double Team SoR.
BG and SoR Double team JQ.
JQ and SoR double team BG.

GG. /end sarcasm

No one does it.
If you have proof, as in actual recorded conversation of 2 servers directly working together PM it to me. Otherwise you’re just calling wolf, and I can’t believe you.

I’m not going to say names because I don’t think there is anything wrong with coordinated double teaming. It’s a legit part of the game, I don’t get why people whine so much about it.

I have seen agreed upon double teaming for very short periods of time or for specific objectives like a keep. It wasn’t some grand strategy or planned, it was just an opportunity that presented itself.

i’ve seen it happen for hours upon hours in EB with two teams pushing a single queued team to their spawn. I think i saw JQ pushed into their spawn for 5 hours solid one friday night. it doesn’t have to be short bursts.

happens in home borderlands all the time as well when two teams each push north and then fight over the garrison. that can go on all night or all week even.

the thing is even when it is going on for hours upon hours, i’ve never seen any evidence that was a result of some formally agreed upon or coordinated effort. sometimes the commanders are just smart enough to know if they push west instead of north they are going to lose more than they gain.

the only thing that needs to be fixed is the enemy’s nameplate needs to appear at the same time as the model.

that would pretty much solve all my issues with stealth.

neat.

i saw a video of an ele here once that did nearly the exact same thing.

Ungood.3054:

fivekiller.1432:

I sometimes feel like the problems with the game are so obvious and easily fixed they just must not want them fixed.

I would be more inclined to think that is more an issues of them refusing to accept that it is broken to begin with.

probably more likely.

still, I sometimes go into conspiracy mode and can’t help but feel like the big evil corporation is screwing us on purpose.

kind of a “surely they aren’t this stupid” thing turns into a “actually, ya they aren’t, they are just screwing us out of our money.”

all fantasy no doubt.

It could just be that their organizational structure or particular culture doesn’t allow things to be fixed properly or in a timely enough manner. I would bet on that.

as you said, someone is either refusing to admit problems are problems. or something similar is going on.

I sometimes feel like the problems with the game are so obvious and easily fixed they just must not want them fixed.

you can’t just ninja all the keeps and win the match.

the maps are a lot less static than that.

in any case, would you mind making a new thread for your exploit/hack stuff?

Not worth watching in the field thanks to the culling. The stream is a bit better.

any other guilds got streams for the GvGs?

IomegadriveOne.5291:

JQ was losing by a mile. So what is going on with Blackgate. Nobody cares now?

its just hard to beat a server that can keep up the consistency of JQ.

JQ may not come out the gate as strong as some but they are NEVER weak.

I don’t think its an issue with BG at all. BG is doing well for the score to be so close in the first place.

and where is all this exploit talk coming from :/ please people, its not good for anyone to sit around badmouthing each other over that garbage. If you see an exploit get some video and send it to exploits@arena.net. Don’t bring it here unless you just want to get the thread locked.

I predict the game will stay essentially the same and those things most players find frustrating that have nothing to do with culling will still remain frustrating.

ye olde score update!

Leo Paul.1659:

I’d really like for BG to lose this week just for kicks. I’ve heard some people calling them Sea of Blackgate recently.

It sucks that the two servers (JQ and BG) that have the biggest community that I would like to join is in t1. Makes me look like a shipper. -_- I joined SOS primarily for wvw with my fellow pinoys (which was supposed to be the official oceanic server) but the filipino population is surprisingly thin and not willing to go wvw exclusive.

You should do what is fun for you. If thats trying out new and different guilds on different servers you should do that. If its hopping servers to stay in T1 more power to ya. If its just following the oceanic communities around why not.

Any problems with the game is Arenanet’s fault, not yours. Don’t let anyone suck you into the mentality that trying to have fun playing a game the way you want to play it is a bad thing.

Do what is fun.

Proumbro.1376:

fivekiller.1432:

You always try to make it sound like you guys are the only ones who have any skill. All this chest thumping is getting old.

You aren’t the only ones logging in every day fighting hard whether your server is ahead or not :/

Yeah I am! I am the only one on my server that works hard!!!! I chest thump because I have pro skills!!! My name even starts with Pro!

/sarcasm

^ there I added the tag this time so you could be in on the joke too

EDIT: That is, unless you are joking too, then I am lost T.T

How can you be lost. It was almost a straight copy of the joke you made. I just liked it and wanted to keep it going

in any case, take it as a compliment.

JaironKalach.4938:

And a blowout really doesn’t feel different when it’s a different set of faces.

It does if you aren’t in T8.

The reason being, if you are on the red team in a blowout it is a very different situation from being on the green team.

Yak’s Bend for example yoyoing between red in T3 and green in T4 has a very different experience in each of those tiers.

whereas obviously the T8 blowout red servers never dip down and become green so they wouldn’t know about that.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

It would have to be something in that kind of time range. If the time frame was shorter then the fix would have to come at the Glick level, which it seems Anet doesn’t want to do.

The problem of fair-weather players leaving WvW when things get tough has nothing to do with this. Shame on them for abandoning their fellow players but you can not tell someone else how to play their game.

First. There is nothing wrong with suggesting things Anet may not necessarily be keen on if it is a good suggestion. Anet may be working under a bad paradigm and that could always change.

Second. The problem of fair-weather players has everything to do with stale matchups. As I pointed out earlier players abandoning the game is a problem with stale matchups. It is both unreasonable and unrealistic to just ask we simply “shame” players who stop playing a game they do not find fun.

That would be the epitomy of bad game design.

You are discussing a systems problem. If you focus narrowly on just a few aspects of a system and seek to change the system you will invariably screw the system up.

and as far as the alternative to what we have now being blowouts. it isn’t an alternative if it is the present situation. it would just be more of the same.

Proumbro.1376:

Why are you saying that I have a hidden agenda? And then you turn around and call me a cynic???

I bet you talk about me behind my back too…

And quit calling me bad, I can read between the lines you know. I wasn’t born yesterday jeeze.

You always try to make it sound like you guys are the only ones who have any skill. All this chest thumping is getting old.

You aren’t the only ones logging in every day fighting hard whether your server is ahead or not :/

Those tiers that are unbalanced greatly would be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8.

that is enough evidence to call tier 6 an anomoly.

in which case, kitten those guys. i don’t care if their tier gets a bit of a balance shake up so that everyone else might fight a different red server here and there.

3 or 4 weeks?

most matchups i’ve been in i’ve noticed our wvw population goes downhill in a matter of days not weeks or months if we’re in a matchup we are losing horribly.

it doesn’t take a whole month of playing a bad game for me to want to quit.

in gameplay time 1 week of not fun is long enough for me to want to bail. 2, 3, or 4 is right out.

This could still go either way imo.

nice to see this kind of matchup in this game. it is a rare thing.

JaredKincade.9761:

So, I have a question for you then. Its similar to a philosophy question I’ve heard once.

Say there is a naval ship, named Enterprise. Every time she goes back to port, a piece of the ship is replaced. The mast one trip, the rudder another. Until eventually she’s made up of entirely new wood. Then each piece that was taken from that ship was put together into a new ship. Which ship is the real Enterprise?

So a guild comes from another server and 100 people come in the transfer. When it gets to its new server all its officers and members are from the old server. Over the course of five months players come and go and the guild builds and grows. The officers and leaders slowly quit and are replaced with people that didn’t come in the transfer until there are only one or two original leaders.

Is that guild still a transfer after that long?

The original ship that is made up of new parts that is named enterprise is the enterprise.

and ya the guild is still a transfer.

that was easy!

Raven Paradox.1860:

Also, DiE and Foo left BG when you lost in T1.

Unless Fury of Order was ever on BG you are probably talking about Foo Guild.

Foo Guild left BG when they were winning T2 before they went to T1. Foo Guild was a Yak’s Bend guild and they left BG to go back to Yak’s Bend for a time.

Foo Guild transferred back to BG when they moved up to T1 and stayed.

The reason you don’t see them on BG now is because our guild leadership quit the game altogether. Most of our members joined other guilds on BG and are still there save one or two.

Jahn.7019:

Israel.7056:

Jahn.7019:

I don’t think I’ve ever seen TW/TWL with more than 25 people total. TWL is their recruit guild. TW has around 15-20 people on and TWL has around 5-10. They vote once a month to promote up to 4 players from TWL to TW. If anything, I’d say TW is probably the most exclusive guild in the game atm considering they don’t mass recruit at all and they still have people pounding down their doors wanting to get in but can’t.

I could only imagine what would happen if they had 80 players though.

Well I certainly wouldn’t want to join.

I doubt they’d take you so don’t worry.

Their process is lacking if that is the case.

Israel is one of the best players from his server.

And from reading the thread talks just the right amount of smack as compared to the other TWs.

Still, i’ve never seen how good/bad TW as a guild is. I’ve never seen them apart from the CDS/TW/Hel/Pug/etc.. blob they tend to run with. Are their numbers too small to compete with the huge zergs some guilds are running with by themselves? Have attrition and selective recruiting thinned them out?

Nuzt.7894:

Should probably be character bound, if you level up a new 80 it should not just start with all the bells and whistles.

should probably be account bound, if you level up a new 80 you could have all the bells and whistles the whole way.

(but Anet loves the grind, if i had to bet i’d bet on character bound)

crewthief.8649:

Liquid.9672:

crewthief.8649:

I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume this is English. Either way, can anyone translate this? My gut tells me he’s chest thumping, but surely not considering how illiterate this post is.

I miss your guild being on Blackgate. My favorite guild name and tag in GW2 by a wide margin.

They were on SBI from what I understand…i’ve only recently joined them. Good group of dudes, got some nice havoc squad stuff going on. Speaking of which, good fights to the other small groups out and about this past weekend.

They were on BlackGate just before the free transfers locked.

I only know because I have a special screenshot set aside of some of them on BG because of a forum post made by one of the guild’s members here, totally irrelevant to this thread.

Narcissus.1058:

Also, whoever drops when SF leaves, welcome to hell mothakittenas

lol at the notion SF might leave.

SF currently winning in a blowout and losing 50 rating.

that hell singularly belongs to SF, ET, and FC i’m afraid.

Fuzzion.2504:

I humbly invite you to JQ T1 where fun is never in short supply

True.

We didn’t all stack in the first 2 tiers for no reason.

I sent Mance 50 gold.

I want a refund.

Rayya.2591:

i belive march update will drag lot more ppls in wvwvw

if the reason those people left in the first place was anything but culling though we will be in the same place or worse population wise after match.

The best system as far as WvW population goes would be one that removed the WvW server from being tied to the PVE server imo.

Even from a mere gem cost perspective it currently costs as much to move to anvil rock as it does to move to jade quarry.

if we had separate wvw servers wvw populations would only be indicative of wvw populations.

server mergers, transers, server transfer caps.. all of these things are better off separating the wvw populations from the pve populations.

I always enjoyed going up a tier and down a tier often when i was on a middle tier server.

the game only lost its fun when i got stuck on red for weeks on end and watched my realm’s active WvW population dwindle to nothing.

I think everyone here keeps logging in and is still playing.

Would be strange otherwise.

Most people just want the game to be better and are trying to have their voices heard. Sort of the same reasons your post exists.

snacktime always has a good point.

Anet has created a game where we play for points to win yet small, medium, or even large groups of players cannot simply get together and decide they want to put in a good honest effort to improve and win.

everyone likes to win.

it is bad game design to create a game that cannot be won.

(without just moving to a team that is already set up to win)

just look at SOR and how hard they fight. the feats of teamwork, strategy, and the sheer logistics involved in getting the players they have to the level they are at and they can still muster only a pathetic point tally with no real hope of winning the game.

granted, you dont’ have to play for points. but i’m strictly talking about from a game design perspective. this game is of poor design and this thread and the thousands before it with their countless cries of “pvdoor” and “nightcapping” along with countless guilds who have quit evidence that playing a losing battle is just not fun for most people.

and its really a shame, because the basic gameplay elements are just amazing.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Are members of JQ calling bandwagon on another server?

Hrm.

a spade is a spade regardless of what the other spades call it.

regardless, the game needs some bandwagoning right now. The servers in T1 right now are duds.

BG is the only server aside from JQ with a quality and consistent 24 hour playerbase. (excluding kaening, I know nothing about them)

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Kryyg.8576:

You have equal coverage now BG, no excuses when you get up here.

I am just wondering how its even possible to determine how one servers coverage stacks up to another servers coverage when they have not even faced each other yet. I would love to know the equation you are using

i believe the equation he used was

(BG last time they were in T1) + AGG + FOE + MERC + ND + some others maybe

thats enough for some fair speculation.

Tobias Steele.2071:

and whats that single SOR player gonna do, take a sentry? besides if he’s after the jp then he doesn’t count anyway. Im not saying it cant be done on one map, but every map at once from both servers? cmon, if we had decent numbers it wouldn’t have happened. If you get pushed back to spawn with a queue that can only mean one of three things… Too many pvers after the jumping puzzle, really really crap leadership, or 2v1.

The original person i quoted said “a map” and “literally.”

“a map” is a singular expression whereas “all maps” is plural.

my only disagreement was within the parameters of that language. any argument beyond that is beyond the scope of my reply.

crewthief.8649:

fivekiller.1432:

BG has never done poorly in T1.

They were proving to be at least as strong as the current servers but were pushed out by SOR fighting a dead server.

BG fared well before all of this. BG will only fare better now.

I wouldn’t warn anyone against chest thumping.

Every server “chest thumps” and thats half the reason i read these threads. some people are getting way too aggravated by folks being proud/excited they are doing well in a game and making a post about it.

I say post away if you’re proud. Thats what forums are for.

Well, if you’ll reread my post, you’ll note that I never stated that BG ‘did poorly’ in T1. I said they’ve never ‘won’ a Tier 1 match…because they haven’t. And about the chest thumping, it’s generally better to chest thump when you’re actually winning, than chest thumping while you’re still playing in the Minor Leagues. Just saying, copy/paste can be a cold, cruel mistress, lol.

no reread necessary, i never made the claim that you said such a statement. my post was speculation.

speculation and a bit of a rant on how i am irked with so many people posting about “class” as if they expect an internet forum to be some sort of classy venue, a hub of civility. I wonder if this obsession with “class” is just a holdover from the attitudes many adopted while trying to maintain a public image and recruit for their servers. or perhaps its just a way to name-call and insult others without being moderated.

i have no idea, it could just be my personal peeve and of no concern.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Pushing a server completely off a map is impossible if they have a somewhat small force because they can just hold their supply camp that is a 30 second run from their spawn. The only way to get a 695 tick is if their is literally no one in WvW or if people are just doing jumping puzzles.

This is absolutely untrue.

JQ was pushed completely to spawn with no supply for hours a couple of Friday nights. This was on friday night when everyone, including JQ, was queued.

Also, the comment about a 695 tick only being possible if there “is literally no one in WvW” is untrue as well. I saw a screenshot recently of a SOR player present in WvW outside of the jumping puzzle near their spawn point while JQ held such a tick.

crewthief.8649:

Verdict is still out on Blackgate and how they will fare in T1. JQ is proven, BG is not…yet. Not to mention, with all the recent transfers Blackgates’ identity has changed. We shall see I suppose. But I would warn against chest thumping before your server has even won a single match in T1. Like, ever.

BG has never done poorly in T1.

They were proving to be at least as strong as the current servers but were pushed out by SOR fighting a dead server.

BG fared well before all of this. BG will only fare better now.

I wouldn’t warn anyone against chest thumping.

Every server “chest thumps” and thats half the reason i read these threads. some people are getting way too aggravated by folks being proud/excited they are doing well in a game and making a post about it.

I say post away if you’re proud. Thats what forums are for.

AFK.1854:

MarMaster.6241:

waha.4921:

I have a dream .. 4 waypoints

Waha

I had never seen that before. That’s a feat.

It’s a feat when you have one server laying down and the other having mass transfers to BG? Exaggerate much?

SOR isn’t laying down.

SOR never had good coverage and still doesn’t. They simply aren’t capable of the 24 hour competitiveness we used to be accustomed to having in T1.

But they don’t give up and lay down. They are quite proud of the fact that they fight hard the few hours of the day they actually have people online, no matter what the score says.

Glad BG is going back to T1. Will be nice to have more 24 hour competitive servers. My hope is kaening can rally and push up as well.

I wouldn’t call it early.

They obviously want to win the score board.

Without transfers the scoreboard will not be won by SOS or SOR this week, next week, or next month.

This is how WvW is won. This is the game we play. Some people don’t look at the score, some people only look at the score. Regardless of which population any individual is in their server feels the effects of the score. Arenanet made the game this way, not any of these guilds.

taek.9386:

I seriously don’t understand why SOS guilds want to leave, just drop down to T2 as it will be a lot more casual then T1, which is toxic anyway playing against JQ.

Moving to BG is going to change nothing, same stuff is going to happen when they reach T1.

Under Arenanet’s glicko system, one does not simply drop down a tier.

it is much easier and less of a time/effort investment to pay to transfer to the desired tier.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

warriors can inflict permanent 25 stacks of bleed btw, just saying.
single target, but hey its still 25.

i’ve never seen a warrior do this.

do you have a link?