Guild Wars 2

Bumping for SOS coverage, also the only other area we have weak representation from is the Uzbekistanian region.

We only have 1 or 2 guilds from that area and could stand to increase our Uzbekistanian population.

Please if you are from Uzbekistan consider SOS as your new home. Just that and India is where we are somewhat light.

thx!

why do you guys all have base hp for your class?

stealth is not even the strongest free-stomp mechanic.

other classes have abilities that allow them to finish people that are completely uninterruptable.

as usual, people just like to pick on stealth.

ya i don’t get it.

is wvw not a pvp area? do we not pvp there?

whats with the pve rules set? is there some pve dungeon or event area i don’t know about there?

seems to me the lack of balance should come from unequal gear and levels rather than class and skill design.

HeliaXDemoN.1208:

Well, when WvW give some items I back to play.

wvw does give some items.

you have to press F to loot the bags that fall on the ground and then you get items from them.

also, you have to hit enemies to get bags.

its not overly complicated, but if you don’t know about the F key i can see it being problematic.

PVE people help with influence.

Indo.8629:

They should merge the active WvWers from IoJ into SoR and make a balanced server to push into T1.

Could be a lot of fun and an interesting shake up of things. If any guilds from IoJ have interest, send me a PM, we can talk.

If you want a balanced server to push T1 then you need to back a winner.

SOR is going to have blatant coverage issues in T1 even if they pick up some of IOJ’s guilds. For a balanced T1 server you’d want SOR’s NA and IOJ’s oceanics to all hop on stackgate.

but ideally i think people need to be moving TO IOJ not FROM IOJ. i’m not on IOJ, but from fighting them i see they have amazing players and do a lot with very little. they have some smart tactics and really just need more NA people and SOR wouldn’t really be doing so well against them in this bracket. and in the long run, NA people are a lot easier to get than the other ones.

Pinkus.2860:

I fear that these Tiers are going to be set in stone for quite some time. Probably not the way Anet intended WvW to be but still fun all the same.

you may be right.

but if yak’s bend takes some time off in tier 3 or IOJ in this tier, all they need to do is close a 40 point gap for TC to switch out with IOJ. i could easily see TC gaining 20 more soon. I don’t so easily see IOJ losing 20 points but its possible.

that would be to SOR’s detriment though. TC has a mighty(population wise) NA zerg and very little coverage otherwise, much like SOR. SOR would have less opportunity to hold a dominant portion of the map in America time and there would be no IOJ to oppose Blackgate and hurt their score during the oceanic/asian/european times.

not to mention TC and IOJ are not interchangeable. in my personal subjective opinion from fighting both, IOJ has a huge skill/tactics advantage AND has a coverage advantage.

TC/BG/SOR would me much less interesting and fun than what we have now.
IOJ/Yaks/? would be much less fun for them in T3 as IOJ would dominate that bracket a lot harder than TC is.

this has been discussed exhaustively and the official solution has been posted.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Perma-Stealth-thieves-are-ruining-WVW/page/2#post859909

stop trying to remove fun stuff from other classes

they can’t run in and out repeatedly indefinitely because of the downed state debuff. after 2 or 3 times they will just die automatically.

the only eles that should be bombing you from the doorway and running back in are dagger/dagger and they have no way to attack you from the top of the tower without using siege or switching weapons. they are no more effective doing this than if they had just used a staff and bombed you from inside, but they are at slightly higher risk.

in the end this doesn’t really give them the ability to be any more effective than everyone else. its not any better than warriors jumping down onto the doorway with their fall talent or mesmers using feedback on the ram at the gate.

if its just the fact that they have so many escapes that bothers you, try to remember they have low hp/light armor. the only class that has this combination.

we should complain about broken things that are ruining the game for people or giving unfair advantages that actually are affecting the outcome of the battle. not stuff like this.

Mell.4873:

Total dps takes into account the cooldown of the skill.

total dps should never take into account the cooldown of the skill as you may use other skills while that ability is on cooldown.

trust me, you really don’t want SOR or IOJ in your bracket. you would miss TC real fast.

T2, Blackgate (where i am right now) and IOJ both are shorter on NA than SOR and have no queues for NA timeslot. I know the people on Blackgate are amazing, coordinated, and extremely friendly and welcoming. IOJ probably needs more people to be competitive in the bracket though. IOJ would absolutely stomp the next server below them but could for sure use a population bump in the tier they are in. SOR seems pretty heavy on NA and light on all the other times. i’d recommend IOJ just because a 50 person guild could really make this a tight bracket.

T3, FA and Yaks both have room but i’d strongly recommend Yak’s Bend. Yak’s has fewer players than TC or FA but the organization on that server and the people there have such a fighting spirit they hold their own all week outmanned and the numbers don’t lie, they punch well above their weight class. Go here if you want a server with a T6 population that fights so hard they can sit in T3 all they like.

T4, CD has an amazing non-NA team and almost no NA coverage. Maguuma is tough as nails and amazing at strategy and could also do to have more NA people for sure. heartily recommend Maguuma

Only other tier i’m familiar with is T8 and there i would say go to Ferguson’s Crossing without a doubt. they have a good thing going on in that tier with healthy competition and moving to any server but Devona’s would help keep that competition alive. It’s possible that ET and HOD will end up there and get smashed by Ferguson’s so they too could probably also use a bit of help. but that is just speculation.

Indo.8629:

Yes, I forced BG to exploit in T1 and T2 just so they could win.

Get over yourselves.

i think you’re missing the point.

the point many are making is, nobody forced anyone to exploit. exploiting happens on every server.

the thing you are doing is pushing a smear campaign. you are attempting to single BG out as if BG is a horrible and unethical server full of hackers and exploiters that is worse than the others simply because you found a video of it happening and pursuing this smear campaign suits your agenda well.

this is the exact sort of tactic teenage girls use in movies to gain and oust others from popularity.

Liquid.9672:

If any good may come out of the mess this week, tonight’s score might be a perfect example of why exploits will ALWAYS do more harm than good in a competition like this. Embolden the enemy while simultaneously hurting your own team’s morale. People who choose to cheat for short term gain or just for kicks rarely understand this. I suspect the butt kicking SoR is handing out tonight is no coincidence.

When Gates of Madness was caught cheating in the middle of a time when every server was having the same exact issues Gates of Madness was having, several people started in on a fairly intense smear campaign to drag the server down and ruin its reputation as much as possible. They tried to single out GOM as the “hacking server.”

Some believe that smear campaign had a dramatic effect on the performance of GOM after that.

This just looks like the same thing happening all over again.

Maybe this Tempest Wolves guild leader has learned a good way to win a match. Defame the server beating you and try as hard as possible to ruin their rep.

I wasn’t sure it really worked against GOM, and i’m not sure it will work here now. But it couldn’t hurt SOR and it can’t help BG, thats for sure.

From Wikipedia:

The Pareto principle (also known as the 80–20 rule, the law of the vital few, and the principle of factor sparsity) states that, for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes.
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i would hope Arenanet, being a business, is well aware of the effects 15-20% of their population can have on their game and income altogether. I feel the Pareto principle and many other interesting logical arguments can be made to explain why just because we who play WvW are few, we are still extremely important.

i’m not claiming Anet is blind and dumb to such basic principles. I am simply claiming that stating we are a small percent of the population is not a strong argument on why we would be left unhappy with a product.

Indo.8629:

I personally don’t know of any other servers who have been caught “red handed” twice in two different tiers.

almost every server, if not every server, has had members caught doing something dastardly.

are you new?

the problem was so widespread at one point they took out a major feature of wvw and
listed widespread and rampant hacking as one of the reasons.

i think they should add a fifth downed button that simply exits the game and actively encourages this behavior.

i much prefer my enemies i have defeated to leave the game completely. i know they are so beaten they are either out of the running altogether, or at best have a longer time to return to any actual objectives.

its sort of like a fatality the way i look at it. one that leaves my server as a whole in a better position.

a small group of people is only useless if they aren’t utilized properly. with proper communication and teamwork any group of people can be useful.

anyone who disagrees is simply oblivious as to how to properly achieve such a thing or selling something. (like membership to their guild)

Indo.8629:

Having 24 servers, with majority of them empty or half empty in WvW doesn’t make sense. Stack the top 9 servers and go at it.

which is why it makes no sense that our WvW server is tied at all to our PVE server. two completely separate things that would each benefit from having one removed from the other with little to no drawback. a bit off-topic but i bring it up because i feel a fundamental change to the system is better than asking everyone to flood from one server to the other.

i doubt Anet will fundamentally change anything though so i guess we do what we can to make a failed design idea work as best as possible.

most any server + other servers would be an unstoppable force imo.

Altie.4571:

Is this the same YB that was complaining about everything just two weeks ago?

it doesn’t seem like it so I’m confused.

i have no idea what you’re talking about but.. this is the Yak’s Bend that is one of the most mature communities i’ve ever witnessed in an online game. this is the Yak’s Bend that has a very real sense of server community that makes its residents feel at home.

Its that Yak’s Bend. They have very little to complain about.

Phzt.9864:

Bunzy.8674:

If things continue like it has been this is going to be one of the most dominated wvw scores ever.

Just for the record whats the highest a team has ever scored in a wvw week?

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/5#NA

Check tier 2 to see what you need to beat.

interestingly enough, the second most lopsided score ever to happen was the same week involving SF, GOM, and Yak’s Bend.

So i wouldn’t get to pick which instance i play on?

would all 20 of my guild members play on the same map or would we all just end up in different instances?

what about the other guilds we like to play with, would they also be able to join the map we are already on?

Gilandred.9870:

You’re going to get an imbalance anyways once people start logging out during off peak times. You can’t just kick people out of the game because your server now exceeds 25% due to log-offs on another server.

another good point.

that would make the bot problem much worse too when they don’t logoff at the end of prime time and they account for 50-90% of a server’s active population!

i know we could make some interesting strategies around this on the server i’m on now. cap out our entire BL and leave 5 guys behind who could easily defend the towers from what would at most be 7 people attacking them.

easy way to hold what you’ve got for sure!

not trying to poo poo your idea. i have thought this too many times.. maybe they would have to have a minimum allowance? 25 or so peeps?

dunno..

Centrix.4065:

MartyPartys.9187:

Waffler.1257:

MartyPartys.9187:

- Water, there should be water around the keep (like bay) only that you won’t be able to cross it.

Hmm, water that you can’t cross. Sounds like molten LAVA!

What i meant was, you would be able to swim in the water, you only won’t be able to cross it.

But why wouldn’t you be able to swim in it? You can swim in any other water, but not that one…?

sharks imo

i would like to suggest a keep with an always open door.

no door at all actually.

where everyone can just walk in, kill the lord, and claim it without having to bust anything down or cross any moats.

i think it does.

somebody had to turn those orbs off right?

Mirage.2597:

I might be looking too , I would look for the lowest even tier , No ques for wvw , top tiers I hear an hour wait? no thanks

no idea about FA or TC but Yaks Bend has no queues at all.. even NA prime time.

i’ve heard a Blackgate person say they have no queues on their server either, but i wouldn’t recommend anyone transfer to the top of any tier.. i always say go to the bottom. if everyone goes to the #1 server, which they seem to do.. competitiveness in the tier suffers.

it is almost as if the problems of server transfers, ET, and HOD will echo for all eternity.

justice.3256:

And at the point of the night Yaks has NO coverage so it is just nice to get those extra points no matter what. We couldn’t flip towers at that time if we wanted because we simply do not have the numbers which is why it is insane to think that we are in this Tier at all.

if Yaks didn’t belong in this tier i doubt this match would be so even.

we hold our crap with the outmanned buff all day. we got from T6 to T3 that way and we’re holding steady and doing well in T3 that way. I see no problem with where we are at.

Raf.1078:

Ain’t tactics fun? I see nothing wrong with it though. Its a great use of abilities. Also, several other classes have similar anti projectile spells.

if others can do it then i see it staying.

if they nerfed guardian’s ability to do it and there aren’t really any other classes who can then i see it going the way of the mesmer’s greatsword 4 attack. if an ability is the only one in the game that can do something very amazing that is usually a strong indicator that it won’t be doing that for long.

djkittiek.7694:

Don’t forget Thief smoke too.

and guardians have a few right.

justice.3256:

fivekiller.1432:

freess.6820:

Epic 3-way fight at eb sm. that took long. YB in the end got it.

second one of those today i was a part of inside smc.

good fighting all.

Indeed. I am curious as to how exactly we took that? We had seemingly less people than both servers and yet pushed TC out of the lord room and FA didn’t even bother to fight it out after that. We even split our forces between the keep room doorway and then pursuing FA folks. Also FA, the portal bombs are getting old, and predictable. Find a new trick.

we simply did what Yaks do well.

we got in the circle.

i have a screenshot if you’d like to see the strat in action.

freess.6820:

Epic 3-way fight at eb sm. that took long. YB in the end got it.

second one of those today i was a part of inside smc.

good fighting all.

in WvW it is the one skill that allows a single person to hold an entire zerg hostage. my personal record is a group of about 15 for about 15 minutes at a supply camp.

on the receiving end of it i’ve seen one person hold up my team of 20 in the garrison for over 5 minutes costing us the capture while reinforcements zoned in.

no other profession has a skill that can do anything close to that on that level.

that skill obviously being Cloak and Dagger.

not here to argue about how it can be countered or anything like that. just talking about what is actually happening in the actual game.

Atrophied.8725:

So, um, were any of you guys planning on actually trying to take SMC tonight, or just dying inside the outer walls?

Thanks for the badges.

such is life with the outmanned buff.

if i were you though i wouldn’t highlight the fact that 10 dudes with the outmanned buff were in my castle for an hour.

ykyk.2740:

The balance of tier 3…?

its almost like there’s too much land and not enough people.

we’re all just stacked up hiding in our own BLs letting the pug zergs determine the outcome of the match in EB.

raziel.8375:

is it me or TC and yaks really dont fight on eachothers BL too much and less less at night seems like both come to ours to fight,keep it up we loving the 2v1 at night.. btw if u see a male DD ele running in to alot of guys its meeeee fun fun match up maybe the best so far, even if Anet had to put out fracs and events ………………… derps

yes we had our daily guild summit and all the guilds from both Yaks and TC got together, as we do every day at about tea time due to all of us being such good, close, and long time friends. we decided that because of the deep and truly romantic love all of the YB and TC players have for one another we would solely fight FA this entire matchup.

i’m sorry it is this way but it is what it is.

and to my dearest Tarnished Coast,
I must logout for the night but know that you will all be in my heart as of you all, surely i will sweetly dream.

you get used to it.

it only takes about 5 minutes.

Ekove.4586:

A T3 Full server that rocks the outmanned buff on reset day is definitely a PvE heavy server.

this is just an argument of semantics and is worthless.. like arguing over whether or not i am a “true warrior” or a “real pvper.”

in my opinion a Full T7 server that rocks the outmanned buff is a PVE heavy server. kinda like GOM.

i guess to each his own.

Nanorin.9285:

Yak’s is PvE server, how we got to tier 3 is beyond me.. I want to go back to T4-5. Where I and my guild had fun. T3 is not fun for us.

Yaks is not a PVE server. It has pve and pvp based guilds and population like any other. we’re not stacked with around-the-clock WvW guilds like Blackgate but neither is TC or FA.

we got to T3 on the blood and sweat of a lot of YB players and guilds who have been giving it their all in WvW for a long time now. we have tried everything we can to increase our teamwork and build our competitiveness to this level. you should know all of this if you have been a part of it.

that being said transfers are still up and running. anvil rock and ferguson’s crossing seem to need people.

some real powerhouse servers in this matchup. looks to be fun!

This is probably the best bet if anyone wants a highly competitive server in the upper few tiers of ranking but doesn’t want to sit in queues.

our oceanic time holds its own well so far. our europeans are looking better thanks to The Society — they seem like a great bunch of folks. Europeans should find themselves joining the fray with quite a few capped and upgraded keeps waiting on them thanks to our die hard oceanic friends.

As far as what kind of server to expect?

Yaks is sort of the unofficial older folks server. We have a few of the older guilds in online gaming here, the old timers for one and Foo guild which is turning 20 years in a couple of months for another.. Yaks is a fairly mature community.

Weekly meetings for team leaders of all guilds and as always a thriving public mumble server. we do still keep ventrillo and TS3 active and available for those who prefer.

We all pretty much know each other. Its a tight knit community and we work together extremely well. we’re in the 3rd tier because of teamwork and teamwork alone.

There is no single large dominant guild on Yaks Bend. Just a solid group of smaller guilds that all love to work with one another. Because of this there is no worry that the big guild on the server might someday leave and the server will plummit. Not that anyone ever really leaves Yak’s Bend! Once you’re here you’re happy from what i’ve seen.

Yak’s Bend

where the old folks play

Enkinan.1065:

This alt-F4 thing is getting out of hand quickly. Die with honor people.

i wish the people i fight would do it more often.

i have no problem with them adding a game restart to their run times back to the objectives.

Kyus.3812:

the only thing that i’ve heard to the contrary of this is a rumor that yaks give points based on distance traveled??? what i was saying isn’t true is a point increase based on population hitting on the objective I didn’t make that clear.

as far as odd points in the matchup go I was under the belief that the sentries award smaller point ticks for killing and claiming. There is definately no tick for player kills, and I’ve never noticed a champion or npc point increase except for sentries… not sure if sentries points is on kill or points capped at the interval?

i wasn’t participating in the activities but was listening on ts3 to those in my guild testing it. they found sentries to give 1 point per capture no matter how many people participated.

there was one activity that did reward a team of 3 or 4 people 3 or 4 points though and thats the one that was suspect. i believe it was dolyak killing. the only question is whether they just happened to kill it with as many people as points it awards naturally, or if there is some kind of bug or design flaw causing it to give a point for everyone who contributed.

it sounds like you’re just going on what you’ve heard. i can only do the same.

Kyus.3812:

this isn’t true, the reason why a guild will have 40 people to all hit on a dolyak at once is to try for random 5 supply drops off of them.

the mechanic is take and hold, this give you a +xxx score what that score is at the interval tick is added to your total.

have you tested and verified this to be the way you say?

wads.5730:

none of those things contribute to score. your score is completely determined by potential points, which are tallied after every interval. these are holding camps, towers, keeps, and stonemist.

actually some of them do give score.

i’m told that some of those things give a point for each person contributing. that possibly explains why i see tarnished coast taking 40 people to down dolyaks.

try it some time. grab 5 folks and all get kill credit on a dolyak and watch the score go up. see if it goes up 1 point or 5. grab 30 and see if it goes up by 30. only thing i know for sure is it won’t go up by 0.

some want to keep a lid on little things like that. not me.