Guild Wars 2

i’d be happy enough just to have a statement acknowledging whether or not they view these issues as problems to be solved or acceptable side effects of their system.

i’d be thrilled to hear, assuming they actually consider many WvW issues as problems, that they are at least working towards solutions.

juicifruitz.6251:

Now for the YB Folks, Grow a heart and show some pride in your server. Sure SoR hit back with numbers, but what did you all do? oh this is too hard now so SOR will win and I will take the week off WvW. The sadest part of all of this, is not the thumping YB is receiving it’s the fact that the total lack of pride, of heart, of will from the folks on YB.

good luck!

i hope some day in your travels across the servers of GW2 you find yourself on a server that does have the heart, server loyalty, and pride in their server that matches yours!

fivekiller is not a commander on his server for this very reason.

fivekiller quite often leads in /t but likes to switch characters from time to time, especially when his teammates aren’t killing arrow carts up on towers becaue they “can’t reach them” and he needs to get his elementalist.

fivekiller thinks they could at least sell a second tome for 5-25g that would unlock it per character if someone has already purchased the 100g tome.

i’ll take 10 guardians up against that any day!

NightFire.7563:

So why not place these servers against each other. Rather then place them against the very same type of servers that do not care as much for PvP or do not have the amount of players available at all times to successfully PvP.

The reason is because (and please correct me if i’m wrong as this is just my understanding) Anet has chosen to have their matchmaking system work completely automated and by the numbers with no human judgment and input being part of the process.

This along with the whole thing being based solely off past performance and not taking into account current and active WvW populations is the reason you will not see the sort of logic you detail applied to matchmaking.

We are for the most part in the dark as to what sort of data Anet has regarding WvW populations and transfers. We have seen no statement that even addresses whether they have knowledge of WvW population growth and active WvW player transfers and whether they even monitor such things.

you forgot:

Get rid of or change the scoreboard.

Yaks doesn’t even have one WvW focused guild much larger than what you say and we stay competitive in our bracket. As zastari said, use voice communication but i’d like to add..

The thing that we do that makes us work is, while we have no mega guilds with 100+ people or really even 50+ people WvWing at once.. we have a lot of smaller guilds in constant communication. that helps a ton!

etsmith.9025:

We are not suggesting you give up your TS3. We haven’t even requested everyone log their entire guilds onto the server. What was requested is a representative, a guild leader or officer log in to help communication between the various groups. Keep your ts3 but at least be open to help organize our teams.

ok i misunderstood Sublte then. That is my bad. What you are saying is something I will work with my guild on then and keep you guys up to date.

sorry if i derailed!

@subtle

You keep mentioning voice coms and the mumble server and the myriad voice channels we have for Yaks bend and how we should all just hop on mumble and work together. This is one of the problems though — We have a TS3 server because so many of us think TS3 is both great quality wise and easy to use and we love it.

We’ve also created a vent server because there are people who refuse to use anything but vent.

And then there are you guys who for whatever reason insist on using mumble.

I’m part of the problem too i admit. I hate mumble and have a hard time moving from TS3. I could handle vent but mumble is just not an option for me.

This is a problem with our server’s communication because we all want it our way and i’m not certain what the best solution is. Saying “just go to mumble and deal with it” will clearly not work. Just as us saying “Just come to TS3 and deal with it” isn’t working.

this is one of the main challenges we are facing on Yaks right now. Its a pretty good problem to have though — having too many server wide free to all voice comms!

@BakaOniiChan, we could use more people.. but i’m not certain our organization is to blame.

tonight we had roughly 90% of the entire fighting forces in all borderlands consolidate together and in one teamspeak server (because we have server public mumble, ts3, and vent). not everyone likes the same voice comms so we sit in with each other at times just to communicate.

the end result was we had everyone working together on the same objective save one or two people i’m not sure speak english.

i’m not certain how we could organize any better than that. all communicating across guilds and working towards a common goal.

that just leaves recruiting.. and right now it seems compared to SOR i agree, we need to recruit if we’re to be competitive. but i’m not going to do that because every server needs its people.

there was a SOR guild running a recruiting message in our WvW zones for a couple days this weekend and that offended a lot of people.. i dont’ wanna be that guy. i’d rather just get bumped down a bracket.

but i’m not sure we’ll even go down a bracket because we’ll be in second.

Joebane of Foo Guild on Yak’s Bend.

His efforts tirelessly in the borderlands alone deserve my recognition. But beyond that he has gone out of his way to set up public Ts3 servers, Ventrilo servers, and worked to contact every guild on the server who plays WvW in an effort to open the lines of communication between them (quite successfully).

We have a lot of great commanders on Yaks all trying to work together to make the server better, but Joebane seems to go above and beyond the commander role regularly.

It is in no small part because of him that I view my server as one community and not just an anonymous mass of people who happen to be on the same map.

preech.4071:

I take it as a compliment that they had to organize an entire realm to defeat a realm full of players who werent even trying to begin with.

Yaks didn’t organize for your server’s sake. We got organized weeks ago and are constantly working to improve our teamwork all of the time regardless of who we are playing. We have A-game communication and D-game population (although the pop seems to be growing, maybe our organizational efforts are paying off and people are seeing that).

I also know for a fact your server is trying to work together. I have spoken with some officers from guilds on SOR before and they were very classy folks who seemed to have some keen wits about them. You should try to contact those people if you think your server isn’t trying. It is possible it is just you being out of the loop and not working with the team.

I’m not making an accusation though about you personally, I don’t know anything about you. I just know SOR has a lot of fine folks playing there and the server you describe who just sits back and doesn’t try isn’t the server i’ve seen in action fighting us the past week.

Domeno, that is absolutely false. As an officer in one of the larger guilds i can assure you if they were at all serious about WvW they would have been in constant communication with my guild and the other guilds on the server.

Every major guild i know of that does WvW on Yaks communicates with one another. How do you think we hold our third/half of the map with the outmanned buff kicking?

I have actually seen what appear to be an influx of people to our server over the past few days for whatever reason. I heard a rumor one or two small former top-tier groups moved but i have yet to talk to any representatives. We did add a new guild as a contact just today though and worked with them tonight.

Yaks lost people weeks ago during our loss to blackgate. Over the course of the past weeks since we have really stepped up our game and taken our server organization beyond what i thought we could achieve in such short time. Noone of consequence has left since.

it would have been a very un-yak-like move to not even talk to one of the many guilds on one of the many public voice servers we have for Yaks and then declare yourself “serioius about wvw” and transfer. a guild like that doesn’t fit our server dynamic anyways.

nobody seems to be pulling away either.

as of now it is even closer.

yaks – 145,741
Sor – 145,000
NSP – 144,943

yep, that is a 798 point difference in the number 1 and number 3 server. i wish we could keep this matchup longer.

the orb has quickly been returned to SOR.

We had some great sportsmanship and communication between SOR and YAKs and we worked it out.

refer to a similar post please, we are inviting SOR to retake the orb from our keep right now and the major guilds in the zone have agreed to not defend.

we are trying to work with our whole zone to allow them to have their orb back.

has there ever been a closer matchup?

http://i.imgur.com/reQTg.png

Yaks just doesn’t have much of a morning time crew. our night/primetime crew is kinda small as well but incredibly organized so it makes for a good matchup.

having a blast so far.

i wouldn’t mind it if they let me keep playing while they work on the problems.

it is terrible when one or two players hack and ruin the fun for everyone.

it is also terrible when some place blame on an otherwise entire server full of good people trying to play an honest game.

I have so far seen hacking on both sides of nearly every matchup the past few weeks. It is a problem with the game — not a problem with one or two servers. Please try to be reasonable about this and stop slandering individual servers and start slandering individuals.

Eihder.8961:

Daish.6139:

longer matchups force people to work togeather to take down upgraded buildings instead of waiting for a restart

shorter matchups cause people to move to the higher population servers

They are already stacking servers like this and 4 days is about the perfect time. Day 1 most participate as scores are even. Day 2 one server will nightcap most of the map but theres still hope. Day 3 most will have moved on barring any big organization. Day 4 most give up as scores are now insurmountable. Day 5 + see Day 4, maybe a few pockets of resistance here and there. I agree with this idea, tho i still think a static point system would handle the issues.

exactly. i haven’t been in a matchup yet that wasn’t decided by the 2nd or 3rd day. but i’m not convinced simply resetting the matchups faster is the solution. i’m still blaming the scoreboard.

not a bad idea though, i can support anything that at least tries to fix the staleness that happens after that first day or two.

Treize.7026:

I saw someone in /team the day before the last rematch (Yak’s Bend, we were in 3rd) saying how we needed to beat on number 2 exclusively so we could move up in rank, since we obviously couldn’t deal with #1.

If you are speaking of the BG, GOM, YAK matchup, It wasn’t about server matching or anything like that.

BG had a 100k point lead on us where GOM was 500 points ahead of us. It was about achieving what small victory we could and nothing more. In a week long match when one server gets 100k over the others, which is usually the case in my experience.. there is simply no point in trying to beat them on the scoreboard.. it is futile and all but impossible.

as usual.. the culprit here in all of this is the scoreboard. the scoreboard is the reason people login, hit B, and go “well thats never gonna happen” and logout. this is the reason for server hopping, people not showing up for WvW, and the focusing on the little guy in my opinion.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just feel.. personally in my own opinion, that the scoreboard in-game has a much larger impact than the overall world rankings and is the actual source of these problems.

Foo works with many other great guilds to get stuff done. We do very little by ourselves.

mostly we just try to make sure all the guilds on Yaks have access to the tools and information they want or need to succeed as best they can in WvW. guilds which are bigger and better than us.

It is all those guilds working together and our relatively small population that makes me proud of my server. We seem almost constantly outnumbered yet perform surprisingly well at times.

thats a neat graph above, but we haven’t had queues since that week. none that i’ve seen. exploiters? yes we are about the same as the average server in that dept. we have our share of bad seeds that we do our best to find and report whenever possible.

The organization on Yaks just impresses me daily. We do so much with so little. I wouldn’t want it any other way.

i understood that.

my main point was, value to me as the customer is – accessibility, fun, and competition.

the scoreboard in general does not add value to the game but rather detracts. his idea isn’t bad, but i don’t see how it adds value either as it doesn’t really make me feel more competitive.. it only serves to bandaid a poor system that is in place with a mechanic that makes the score more meaningless when it needs to be gone or changed completely.

if that clarifies my counterpoint. not trying to say its a bad idea.. i just think the idea doesn’t go far enough.

the scoring system is kind of something that, as it is now.. is taking fun from the game and adding very little to none in return.

i’m not sure there is any way to fix it. i certainly am not sure giving people who are doing less more of it is the proper solution as that would take fun from the people doing better but not really add much to those behind.

Kyrul.7681:

I’m from Maguuma:

I’ve been on WvW for hours a day this weekend, and I haven’t seen any foul play from our server.

Goons — I don’t know why there’s so much hate for Goons. I’m not a part of them but other than being absurdly large they haven’t done anything worth frowning upon.

The glitched garrision — no one I’ve talked to knows why it’s like that. I’m sorry, but we can’t do anything about it either.

Orb hacking — Ehmry Bay nabbed an orb from our west keep (forgot which borderland) from underground. The inner keep had not been breached in any way. As far as I know no one on our server has done anything like this, or at least not to the awareness of the general population.

“Unkillable” trebuchets on garrison — I’ve seen at least Yak’s Bend do this too. And they actually took out our trebs there at some point, so it’s not untouchable.

Other that the mentioned points, I haven’t seen anything wrong with the fight. We appear to have a stronger night crew, which is kind of funny considering TC’s night crew was the reason we were getting rolled so hard the last matchup. It may be because we’ve made a considerable effort to become more organized every since the new matchup started.

i haven’t seen a server yet, even in the beta.. that didn’t do the garrison trebuchet thing. I’m on Yaks and i can guarantee you we do it constantly in every fight. just as we have it done to us all the time.

and ya, we don’t have as much of a night crew as we seemed to have a couple of weeks ago. but unless i’m crazy maguuma has a lot of euros.. it was actually US 9am ish that you guys capped out 100% of EB the past two days.

we held out the night.. its that US morning timezone that gets us in this matchup.

@Flying Dutchman

A group of us worked together with several siege golems and some clever mesmer portals to quickly over run black gate on their home map and get the orb there. Another group did fine work elsewhere last night and we managed to secure two orbs legitimately.

This ill-gotten orb was short lived and a while after all of that. I assume after BG took their orb back from us.

not to diminish my distaste for this act. obviously this behavior is unacceptable no matter how long the orb is actually held. but there were some great achievements by many Yaks last night to get a orb and hold it for a while that had nothing to do with cheating.

if its any consolation we’re in worse shape now than before this.

I’m very ashamed of my fellow Yaks here. We’ve put up a good fight this week, we even grabbed the orb fairly from the BG borderland this morning and finally passed GOM in points.

This sort of behavior only serves to belittle those genuine accomplishments.

already did.

not fun losing all that guild influence, but was more than worth it so my guild could play together as a guild.

mangarrage.1062:

Really whats the difference between waking up to see 100k vs 75k vs 70k and waking up to see the map 75%/13%/12%?
The answer is there isnt. Either way there isn’t a reason to put time in to see it disappear while you sleep. It deters the enjoyment either way

while you’re right.. there is no difference in the sense you are speaking of it. but there is a difference in finding your score 100k or even 10k on the first day or two lower than another server.

that one difference is, for whatever reason i have trouble understanding. when the score gets behind and a server isn’t number 1 any more. people stop playing WvW. i’ve noticed population drops in WvW on my server when we get behind and i’ve noticed it in the data Anet gave us showing queue times.

The server in the lead on points has more people motivated to play than the ones behind. This exacerbates the problem causing fewer to login. at times to the point where a server that should be competitive is being spawn camped.

The thing of it is, the entire problem is that people are paying too much attention to the numbers and it is causing them to lose sight of the reason they should be pvping. the only solution i see would be one that addressed this issue of perception.

removal of the scores altogether from the UI so that all we can see is our realm bonuses.

moving the scores to 12 hour brackets maybe so the daytime people have a score tally, the night time people have a score tally.. and they both reset every 12 hours. this way the time zones aren’t competing and if a server gets behind they don’t stay behind. could still keep the overall score in the background somewhere.

or any number of suggestions the community has offered are great. i don’t pretend to hold the best solution, i just know a major problem is perception plain and simple.

Sky hit the nail on the head.

i’d like to add, some people are commanders and have the 100g because there is a whole army of people who dedicated some time and chipped in to buy it for that person because they value that person’s leadership.

don’t ever just assume its some rich kid. it may very well be an old gamer with a proven history and a community backing him or her, from the people i’ve talked to this is usually the case.

there is a bug with some mesmer attacks.. staff 2 i think does it.

i have used it a couple of times and had it teleport me underground just as you describe. you can still see everyone above ground but they can’t target you because, obviously.. you are under the ground.

what you saw may have just been this bug.

i’ve had it happen as well when a warrior did an AOE knockback on my party.. 3 of us ended up inside terrain and they couldn’t target us.

5v5.
3 lives per player.
last team standing wins.

would have been happier to see 1 week transfers since its a 1 week matchup.

but its a start.

i just don’t get why they don’t close free transfers to high wvw population servers altogether… they obviously have the data on who has the biggest queues.

Gofr.5794:

If clicking is my only problem that is identifiable, then I guess I am satisfied. I was looking more for combo improvements or tips on play rather than the usual “you’ll fail miserably if you don’t hotkey” argument. It’s tired and old. The fast pace does not bother me, never did. If you can see any other improvements besides key binding, that’d be appreciated. I can pvp just fine as is otherwise. Thanks.

sounds like you’re good to go.

the way you interface with your character and give commands is such a basic and low level system compared to combo improvements and stuff like that. you’re probably always going to get the same response here because when identifying a problem people like to start at the bottom and work up.

if someone is having trouble with math and counting on their fingers i’ll tell them to buy a calculator before i bother helping them with their integration.

i have several friends that click. they learned long ago not to ask for help because thats just the way it is! you’re gonna get told not to click and thats all the conversation will ever be about because its that fundamental!

which obviously isn’t a problem to those who aren’t very competitive.

there is nothing actionable here.

there are some guys shooting invincible people with siege equipment and hoping people get angry due to personal issues and spread their openly recruiting guild’s video all over the internet just as you are doing. what bit of this isn’t just petty and unimportant?

i have to disagree with some.

some servers are right now very middle of the road. I’m on Yaks and was on Aspenwood during the beta. Moved to Yaks because of shorter queues and i like the guilds that play there.

In any case.. neither yaks or aspenwood have insane queue times or are in any real danger of ending up in a bottom 3 or top 3 matchup any day soon.

some things are subject to change, moreso as long as free transfers are around..

but transfers don’t retain guild bonuses that a lot of people worked hard for, and for that most of the more organized groups are pretty much sitting where they are gonna be.. its the filler pug types that are flipping servers every other hour (for the most part).

i think its a very very far stretch of the imagination to think Yaks is going to be beating HOD or losing to Ferguson’s Crossing any time soon. it and several other servers are very middle of the road.

server population has nothing to do with it.

the only anomaly here is that their WvW activity is extremely high for a low population server. and most know why.

vrgadin.1943:

ET needs dedicated oceanic guilds, please if you can use ts other than your own, and want a competitive match vs Hendge next week, please move from IOJ or SOS and become our nightcrew!

this is what is causing the imbalances and its no fun for the people with 20k just like its no fun for the people with 200k. when its all said and done the points and the guy with the bigger number doesn’t really matter near as much as the fun you have playing the game.

please don’t listen to this guy, go to a server that actually needs people like Ferguson’s, Kaineng, or any of the lower pop ones.

Stop encouraging people to stack onto one server so they can stand around at a spawn point with an army of golems. Move somewhere that brings an amount of competitiveness to that matchup and try to find a challenge. Have fun instead. Go where you can play.

a 1v1 battle ended in a stalemate with your opponent simply running away from you.

surely you can see how the fact that you downed the guy and made him run away from you beaten doesn’t really help your cause to show he is OP.

or do you contend that warriors are OP and necros are even more so?

there was a game called subspace that did 5v5 deathmatches with 3 lives per player.

made some extremely fun matches and the league for that game lasted many many years.

i think there are several ways to do a good deathmatch. your point is well made and i would be more inclined to play sPvP if they implemented something like this. one respawn deathmatches i’m not sure about but the deathmatch idea overall is a good one and i much prefer it to conquest.

as you said, they have all the mechanics to make it great. they just need to try it out.

i have no doubt they will eventually.

Clexzor.6351:

What are talking about op yall have 2x as many oceanic players as the two servers your playing….

ya, i’d like to make a plea for both oceanic guilds and US guilds to move to Kaineng and Ferguson’s Crossing.

not sure if i should i do that here or make a new topic.

The Anvil Rock Garrison Keep Lord has been bugged the entire matchup so far on the Yak’s Bend/Anvil Rock/Darkhaven matchup this week.

He has a buff called “Determined” and several times we have been in the garrison and unable to damage him. At one point we were in the garrison with siege taking down their walls for over 30 minutes but the whole time the keep lord remained invulnerable to damage.

This bug can block the progress of an entire server in WvW.

On a simultaneously happy and sad note it isn’t as big of an issue in this matchup as Yak’s Bend is amidst a blowout victory. On a more balanced WvW matchup though this could be a seriously game-changing issue.

there is no question of whether we will get one.

only when.

and i hope the answer to that is “soon.”

i feel in most scenarios, by the time i have activated something on the hammer I am standing there by myself and my enemy has already done everything he wanted to do, left, and gone to bed.

i hit those keys a few times and all it really seemed to do was make my phantasms go away with no other discernible effect. i learned my lesson about hitting those keys!

focus has many uses

some of it may be from bugs.
they need a queue position indicator.

mostly though if you’re sitting in queue all night because the server is full — they have already implemented a fix for this. free server transfers are in effect.

we’ve known wvw will have population limits since beta. they have servers with no queues and at the same time are offering free transfers to them. some people want to stack on a winning server so they can have more points for whatever reason but you pay for that voluntarily with queue times.

voluntarily being the key word.