Guild Wars 2

escaping from bad situations is the one thing that rangers need.

i fear much of the community and perhaps even the developers think swiftness is mobility.

it is not.

the classes to beat in 1v1 are d/d eles, thieves, and mesmers.

i doubt a guardian of this sort can consistently beat any of those in a somewhat equally skilled type of situation.

please report hackers and send any evidence or info to exploits@arena.net. Yak’s Bend as a server has never and will never condone game exploits of any kind.

accusations of hacking and/or flaming other servers only serve to get our thread locked and many people use these threads to obtain score updates.

if you cannot be civil please create your own thread that Arenanet can lock and allow us to have this one free from bickering and trolling!

Yak’s closed out the night with a good lead. We had a good showing from both our new guilds and our old guilds who just moved back from BlackGate to be with their Yak friends once again.

Ojimaru.8970:

Lolol… Yak’s Bend Borderlands has finished casting the ultimate protection spell.

its hurting us as well. a number of guilds swapped maps to help out with a siege that was going poorly for us on a separate map. when it was done they were stuck locked out of our BL and couldn’t get back to where they needed to be

Update at 12:30A Eastern

The ranger does nothing that the elementalist does not do better.

For AOEing groups, CCing groups, small scale and large scale battles, killing siege up on towers, mobility, and even 1v1 combat the elementalist is superior to the ranger in most every way. Even a melee elementalist is better at AOEing zergs than a ranger.

It sounds crazy but is true.

don’t blame the messenger please, blame Anet. (yes i have both at 80)

Flashlegend.2941:

IOJ lost one of its major oceanic guilds as well as a few other guilds during last weeks match up with Sor and BG. Two or Three weeks ago, it would have been a blow out if we were in T3, but now, it’s a pretty good match up. I don’t think that has anything to do with the shortcomings of the ranking system.

well its impossible to say for sure.

if your server had not been stuck so long in 3rd place and had been allowed to yoyo between having that blow out victory followed by a modest defeat (and you guys were doing fine in T2) you may not have lost people to the top server.

maybe you would have. its impossible to say though for certain as thats not the world we live in.

i can say it seemed to wear down our population when i was on a server that was coming in last week after week. It also seemed that BG only grew and grew while i was there winning week after week.

Roughneck.2509:

You RE guys should just move to Maguuma. And bring some Oceanic coverage with you while you’re at it.

Anet has kind of a bad server population system going on.

I think they want to do a T8 server because they will have all the room they need for transfers without PVE people who have nothing to do with their playstyle filling the server up.

i think it sounds fun. ride one all the way to the top and let it go again like with Eredon. why not.

Demonstrate good leadership skills within your guild and then have your guildmates vote with their coin that you deserve one by donating towards it.

Jayne.9251:

Dear WM.

Come to Tarnished Coast. You won’t have this issue.

i know right!

I bet half of Yak’s Bend would take a class on how to speak Korean or whatever if they would transfer there.

We can even declare Korean the official language of Yak’s Bend.

Some people don’t seem to understand how “average” works and why it appears their server is better than another server.

As I said earlier, its not something unique to SOR. Many players on BG also feel they are on average better than SOR and that SOR is a large unskilled zerg.

The whole thing stems from the meaning of the term “average.”

When one is above average at performing a task what does that say regarding those that person encounters? The precise implication is that nearly all that person encounters are less skilled than him or her. This is why if someone is good at a game they will encounter hordes of people that seem unskilled.

Make no mistake though, the better players on your enemy’s team also experience the same phenomenon. The better players constantly encounter players who are not as good as they and are easy to defeat. Because they are good they view their enemy as being on the average much less skilled than they. And they too of course rarely run into a player that is as good as they if they are very skilled. That encounter obviously being a much rarer occurrence than an encounter with an unskilled player.

And still, by the very nature of the term “average” the players on each team are roughly equivalent. There are a few great players and a lot of average players and a few that are very poor.

If anyone thinks they are from a server of superhumans it is their perception that is in error. BG, SOR, TC, IOJ, and Fort Aspenwood are all roughly equivalent when it comes to the skill of their individual players.

Adaneshade.2409:

Until servers are locked down, no amount of tweaking will solve anything.

actually tweaking the numbers to allow servers ranks to change a little faster than they are now would help mitigate the issue.

If the same score differential caused a greater rank change then Eredon Terrace for example could have fallen from T1 to T8 in a couple of weeks instead of months for example. They may not have even fallen all the way to T8 if they had been allowed to move down faster.

The other issue of Kaening having large transfers and winning by a huge margin would not be as big of an issue if they were actually moving out of the bracket this week.

So yes, I contend a more rapidly changing ranking system would help mitigate some of the issues caused by large server transfers.

Jahn.7019:

fivekiller.1432:

yarz widowmaker.5893:

Servers dont get better by constantly winning they stay the same in quality and skill because they learn nothing, they dont need to. On the other hand servers that are fighting uphill get better in quality and strength of their community.

doesn’t matter.

your elite fighting force of 10 dudes who have been losing for a month but got really good at the game still get rolled by the 100 dudes who are riding the win train.

Are you really bragging about being able to zerg your opponents down?

Interesting.

It must be one’s own achievement if one is to brag or boast about it.

And I do not really find it interesting. That servers with larger populations across varied timezones and regions perform better on the scoreboard than those without just seems to make logical sense to me. That large groups frequently defeat smaller groups seems common knowledge.

That people flock to those servers exacerbating the situation also makes perfect sense to me. I’m not certain what is interesting about any of it.

It might be interesting if this weren’t all what we were seeing in this current matchup and those before it and many other matchups across the game.

Narcarsis.5739:

The fact that guardian does it in an AoE and a thief is single target burst?

Not to mention the condi removal, retaliation, and boons guardians give.

dead guardians give no boons.
and this guardian will give no boons.

yarz widowmaker.5893:

Servers dont get better by constantly winning they stay the same in quality and skill because they learn nothing, they dont need to. On the other hand servers that are fighting uphill get better in quality and strength of their community.

doesn’t matter.

your elite fighting force of 10 dudes who have been losing for a month but got really good at the game still get rolled by the 100 dudes who are riding the win train.

yarz widowmaker.5893:

Just to clarify quantity does not equal quality, individual and in small groups I have seen little to no improvement, however, I have seen more numbers in your zerg but not quality. Criticize my opinion if you want but this is exactly what I’ve observed.

everyone thinks the people on their server are worth 5 people on the other servers.

everyone thinks they constantly and repeatedly dominate the enemy when they have anywhere near even numbers.

and everyone has videos of their guys wiping zergs from the enemy server two or three times their size.

its just the way it is, you guys aren’t unique in that.

Indo.8629:

As things stand BG literally needs to win each match by at least 100k to make any progress. I’ll be impressed if you can do it, but from seeing your performance these past 5 weeks I don’t think you guys are capable.

There are so many more factors than that. SOR could lose more guilds to BG. SBI could lose more guilds to Kaening.

BG is going to tier 1. its not a matter of if but when. BG is stuck where they are at, and they are stuck in the winning position. Servers stuck for weeks in the winning positions generally get better while those in losing positions get worse, as evidenced by IOJ and SOR losing guilds over the past month or so and BG gaining.

A lot of people thought TC was stuck but sure enough, TC got a little better and IOJ got a little worse by bleeding a few guilds over time and they flipped positions.

same thing with Yaks bend in T3/T4.

Nuzt.7894:

So I recently had a buddy get home from over seas and he purchased the game. He could not get onto my server because apparently it is full so he chose kaineng. Long story short I ended up transfering to accompany him and am reallllly hoping the WvW is not always this one sided, please tell me Kaineng owning the entire map is not normal.

you may have a few weeks of this but it will level out eventually.

a large guild recently switched to that server creating a population gap between it and the others in that tier. Arenanet’s ranking system is a little lacking so it will take a while for it to get you guys bumped up to where you should be seeing competitive matches.

I’m fine with the reward system. you get karma and badges to buy stuff, its not so different than the tokens from dungeons. wouldn’t mind seeing other gear stat variations for sale though.

all in all I would just be happier if they instead did something to keep people like you who aren’t there to pvp out of there. not sure why you’re “taking up a spot in the Q” but whatever it is I would be happy if they would move it to Queensdale or wherever the blazes the PVE folks hang out.

Hygeria.9538:

Kinda sucks that the servers say full and yet half the reason is due to your PvE/RP population.

This is one of the most broken aspects of WvW right now. BG can’t really pick up a lot of NA people any more than TC or SOR can pick up a lot of non-NA people simply because there are very few times when they are open to transfer.

There is no reason the WvW servers and population needs to be tied to PVE. It is hurting the game and we as a community seem only concerned with thieves and “rewards.”

The best answer to nightcapping is to allow us to transfer to servers that need more night time people if we play at night. Its just that simple.

TC doesn’t have near the coverage BG has yet they went FULL long before BG did.

get 5% more bleeding duration and your bleed damage will go up about 20%

alternatively, lose 20% bleeding duration and your bleed damage will remain the same.

or am i missing something?

Mechanix.5719:

fivekiller.1432:

my p/d thief has never encountered a class including guardian that i felt i could not defeat.

Condi builds are ment to beat bunkers

Burst beats condi
Condi beats bunker
Bunker beats burst

Sometimes.

Usually though the p/d thief beats all of them. its the one thing of mine i reliably beat burst thieves on. and i love finding a glassy mesmer.. they can’t even begin to wipe conditions.

NightyNight.1823:

Well don’t be surprised that you got facerolled in ‘’1 sec’’ even if you spec entirely for defence.When will people understand that guild wars 2 doesn’t work that way.This is Not a battle of stats.Guild Wars 2 is not about who has the highest toughness and power.Its about active defence , you know ,Not let it hit you.

Well, i understand your point but passive mitigation does in fact have an effect on the outcome of a fight.

maybe who has the highest toughness and power isn’t a factor when you’re always fighting people worse than you. but when you encounter your equal those things come a little more to the forefront in regards to importance.

my p/d thief has never encountered a class including guardian that i felt i could not defeat.

Alex.6940:

Virtue of courage is instant iirc, so he could have activated it during the heal skill animation after his first aegis was removed.

true, but.. considering how much good the first aegis did. do you truly think that would have turned this situation around?

Arcadio.6875:

This is a good answer. Holidays isn’t an answer in itself as that should affect all servers. Saying why YB would be hurt more so than other servers makes it more believable. I’ve heard that YB is skewed toward an older crown during the FA/YB/ET match when YB stopped showing up during the week so this answer is consistent with that.

We at times refer to ourselves internally as the older people’s server.

Most of the kids have run off. The biggest guild on Yak’s Bend is The Older Gamers guild which you have to be 25 or so to join.

Then there’s Foo Guild which was founded in 1993 which has members who have had kids while they were in the guild who then grew up to join the guild.

Its a mature bunch and a community a little unlike anything i’ve ever seen in a MMO.

bad apples here and there like any server. but still, older population I would say for sure makes sense.

Jayne.9251:

Lol not a single duplicate in server yet

Tarnished Coast.

They seem to have some folks with great attitudes and generally both win and lose with grace.

he had aegis when he started casting his heal.

i’m not sure what virtue of courage would have done for him.

I wouldn’t say he did nothing.

He did pop protection, regen, and aegis along with his heal skill. i’m not sure he could have dodge rolled with basilisk and immobilize on him and i don’t see a condition wipe available on his bar(unless he is traited to wipe 3 on his F2).

All he really had available was shield 5, do you think that is what he should have gone with?

i’m of the opinion that at that particular situation where he is sitting with 200 hp there really isn’t anything he could have done. he was already toast.

DB takes the lead.

16.6k health is commonly thought of by many guardians as an acceptable amount.

It may be true that he must build fully defensive or suffer through this. That may even be by design. In my personal opinion that is bad game design as it leads to much frustration.

I’m still not going to call nerf on the thief. I think the situation is more complicated than that. The problem is more fundamental.

Remember when mesmers could hit anything with greatsword 4 that they could get a target on? no siege was safe.

Then they nerfed it.

Then elementalists realized their scepter 2 works the same way.

yet to be nerfed.

also ranger pets have the “guard” ability that they can target up on walls to send their pets up onto the siege. i took out a trebuchet last night with that. but that one is much more obvious when its happening.

i guess you could say thieves have the ultimate CC in that they can put people in what is known as “the downed state” quite readily. it takes a thief less time to down me than it does an engineer to drop his big bomb and knock me down.

in any case. there is an official thread for complaining about thieves here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback/page/25#post1063467

if you want to leave your feedback in that thread thats for it maybe that would help further your agenda.

Jinks.2057:

Lalnuir.4957:

Elthuzar.9478:

Mobility or just flat out speed? The fact that infiltrators arrow is a teleport while burning speed and ride the lightning go in a straight line give thieves a huge edge in mobility.

For straight up speed they are fairly even in my experience.

They are not even. Ele >>> Thief in mobility

The only place thief trumps Ele in mobility would be in sPvP teleporting up ledges….but this is WvW where this doesn’t happen.

I have to wonder where the warrior comes in then. Because they can rival D/D eles at mobility.

We need a footrace.

Rhyis.7058:

Maguuma is officially the official role playing server.

What a coincidence! Yak’s bend is the official role-for-serious server.

we don’t play.

This will be interesting indeed.

Rhyis.7058:

morrolan.9608:

So DB hacking to get the Hill on YB again. Guild tag LWB.

You know what sad is that you could win this tier fair and square but you insist on cheating.

Jasperii.2519:

Cheating DB took the SH using terrain glitch, good thing they can’t defend when attacked so took it back easily… Stupid move, as didn’t even get the points when it ticked over as it was reclaimed back by YB

Yaks exploited to flip that keep from Mag to reduce the upgrades on it in the first place. Just sayin’.

So DB exploited to get it from Yak’s who exploited it from Mag who exploited it from DB because they exploited it from Yak’s who exploited it from Mag who only ever exploited because Ehmry exploited it so much from them because they were afraid of going down to T5 where Borliss Pass would surely exploit it from them and Darkhaven right?

I’m not making any claims. Just trying to make sure I understand what everyone is saying here. It gets a little confusing.

We could instead just talk about the score and things that aren’t related to exploiting? Maybe just report exploiters and send Anet info and stuff and try to keep a good sportsmanlike attitude in the thread so maybe our score updates can be seen and the thread doesn’t get locked.

I was on Blackgate for about a month and I loved most of the guilds there.

cheers! Icoa really is a great bunch.

Bakitten291:

The orr temple gear has P/T/V gear as well. You will have to mix/match it from a few different temples to get a full set but it is only 42000 karma a piece

this is what i do on my alts.

i buy cleric’s or knights and just swap out as i WvW and get karma. karma comes extremely fast at level 80.

You can do a PVT/clerics build and it is VERY good for both D/D and S/D.

i do not know much about ele condition builds but if you go more for power it is not only viable but wise to have both in your inventory.

Will DB close the gap? stay tuned to find out!

had a lot of fun today, thanks everyone.

Recently.1043:

If its a tanky d/d ele, alot of their damage actually comes from conditions (burn/bleed), since they try to attrition you down.

I don’t think its possible for a bunker guardian vs a d/d tank ele fight to ever end. Neither puts enough damage on the other to win. Even if the guardian got close to winning he would never catch up to the ele if he wanted to run/reset. Both sides would just take turns trying to knock the other guy off the point to neutralize/cap it

d/d eles with 0/10/0/30/30, PTV gear and clerics jewels put out a LOT of damage with all that power stacked up with 100% uptime on fury and none of it is conditioned based. they are also very tanky with the amount of evasion, self healing, and toughness/protection/boons they have on them.

very few people run condition elementalists. the ones you would notice ripping apart your ranks generally are the ones not using conditions. (not to say conditions aren’t viable, but this power ele is one of the strongest builds in the game for both large group and small group combat)

Sundog.9380:

Hey Yak’s Bend….a clue for you. Worry a little less about keeping Maguuma down at night and worry more about Dragonbend’s early morning zerg wiping your whole map everyday. They have a strong early morning presence especially during weekdays.

Frustrated you basically helped DB get east keep in their BL earlier by taking SE tower and camp and attacking south gate. You could and should have been taking NW side of map IMO and just let Maguuma hold lower SE to divid DB’s zerg.

But play the game your way. Just seemed really dumb to me. Maybe you will get it when you wake up to all your upgrades and hard work wiped our during the late and early morning hours by DB’s large asian zerg.

We have copied your strategy guide to our community forums and stickied it under the title “Our new strategy bible of what we should always do from now on every time!!”

just letting you know you are a true hero to our people!

The only guardians my D/D ele can’t beat are the ones built for complete tank (although i haven’t actually stalemated a fight since i turned 80), but its not like they can kill the ele either.

Like the thief, they are popular because they have the option to leave fights. There is no necromancer, ranger, or anything that has ever single handedly locked down my ele. The only class that can compare to them on burst mobility is a warrior and they can still have trouble catching and killing one. If any ranger is catching and killing eles its the ele’s fault for playing wrong. (no offense against the ranger player, its the class i’m blaming)

So thats basically it.. They are popular because they can rush into zergs and live, kill almost anyone 1v1, and escape when things don’t go their way pretty much every time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression

I wonder why it seems the people who make these videos have never heard of this marvel of modern science.

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

Sorry but SoR isn’t going anywhere. We are shooting for the top and we aren’t letting anyone get in our way. We aren’t losing to large sums of points against BG anyway, considering we have absolutely no night crew. Best of luck next week though, it’ll be fun for sure.

SOR has a lot more people playing at night than they like to let on.

I guarantee Gates of Madness, Fort Aspenwood, or any other server who actually doesn’t have a night crew wouldn’t be holding the lead at ~5-8 AM US time on a weekday against BlackGate and IOJ.

I expect them to do no more or less for WvW than they did for rangers with their ranger buffs.

rhonyn.6810:

Ardon.4105

I’d actually love to see where all these people are since we never have any queues except for EBG, even at reset, and during a good portion of the day we don’t have a single point on two of the four maps.

Interesting. If the above is true, and TC gets the numbers out to play in t2 matches that they do in t3 matches they may actually be the server with the largest pop (during primetimes at least), or at a minimum at least comparable.

This could be true.

Blackgate has a low NA population and we just try to hold our own in that time slot.

As someone else said we have 24/7 coverage with great oceanic and european guilds but we just have moderate and even coverage around the clock. we don’t really have a huge stack of people at any particular time.

SOR is the NA behemoth in this tier and I think its going to be interesting to see what effect having another NA stacked server will have if any. TC will be hard pressed to pull NA pimetime numbers to match SOR. I say this knowing full well what kind of NA population TC has.

Gao Gao.4973:

The fact that numerous persons here are not aware of the fact that there are locations where arrowcarts cannot be killed without the use of a treb is pretty amazing. By all means, please continue.

stating things like this and not explaining doesn’t make your case for you.

if there is a place then show us where. otherwise we have to assume you are lying, misinformed, or do not understand how to kill the carts.

If TC really has 4 map queues BG will be outmanned on 2 to 3 maps every night.

This could be interesting.

I see you didn’t mention any interest in the ranger.

sounds like you’re on the right track and good to go no matter what you decide from here.