Guild Wars 2

Niim.9260:

… because my fellow players are to lazy to play better, they have to form up into larger and larger zergs that think stacking and blasting combo fields shows signs of tactical brilliance.

just get a small organized group together and defeat them.

but it doesn’t really work that way AOE cap at 5 means if they have 10 more people than you they’ll just roll over you anyways.

in other words, its a game design issue and not the fault of your fellow players.

Silver.9084:

google.3709:

Silver.9084:

Kill shot is so hard to hit though..dunno i don’t like rifle warrior.

And also, damage is LESS in sPvP, dunno who told u otherwise :o

hahah, it’s got a 1,500 range so i’ve been sniping, but if 1v1 i’m using bow, it has a 4s immobalize that applies 6 15s bleeds! 25s recharge! and #3 hits for around 9k in case killshot/volley, dont get the job done!

and thank you! it was a typo, i meant PvE/WvW

But still, 45-50k? That’s like impossible to hit on someone!

Maybe if hes lvl 1 wearing no armor and using frenzy… lol
Hardest i hit with kill shot is 25k~ish on upscaled guys

even if he’s hitting for 50k (which he’s not).. its the same as hitting for 25k in almost every scenario.

and thats in berserker gear. a warrior in berserker gear using a bow and rifle is as free a kill to so many many many different builds and classes as you can possibly get.

i agree the engi has some issues and i’m glad OP found a class he likes. but if i had to bet on a skilled zerker bow/rifle warrior and a skilled engi in a 1v1 i’m not sure i’d bet on the warrior.

We’ve been dropping arrow carts in front of gates to destroy siege inside towers since beta. I just assume that is working as intended. They recently changed catas to not be able to hurt rams but left arrow carts out of the LOS checks, I assume because they shoot up and rain down from above and as such don’t need LOS.

There aren’t a lot of abilities that do what the Original Poster is showing. Mesmer greatsword 4 used to work exactly the same way and it was fixed. Now Elementalist Scepter 2 is the only one left I know about.

Yassa.2193:

Again and again

Guys, estimated time can not be given because there is no way to know when someone will decide to leave an area.

You go in when someone goes out. How to predict when ppl will leave?

The only information that Anet can give us is how many ppl are queued at the moment we try to enter.

Cheers!

actually you could estimate the queue times using the number of people currently in the queue, the average wait times of the previous groups of people, and a poisson or exponential probability distribution.

the math isn’t very hard and there would be some inaccuracy.

a counter though showing (There are 40 people in queue ahead of you) (There are 28 people in queue ahead of you) would be ideal though as humans are fairly well suited to dealing with that sort of information. But if Cactus is correct even that would be worthless.

In the end, neither will happen any day soon. There are much bigger issues with WvW that are affecting the entire playerbase or small playerbases much more adversely. Arenanet is very slow to fix problems, even when they are small.

kick offline party members.

edit: aka fix the bugs then make the game better.

maybe they are attempting to maximize short term profits.

Amity.8549:

So what are people thoughts on the culling fix in terms of combat. It’s obviously great being able to actually see your enemies but has combat been less or more interesting/engaging?

well its less interesting because there is no great mystery as to how many people i am fighting and where they all are located.

but i wouldn’t call that a bad thing.

The best solution i’ve found is to AOE into them until they thin out and it looks much less cluttered.

Raege.1069:

- The new gear costs gold and the new skins are the sucky karma ones that were already superbly easy to acquire as a WvWr.

bad news indeed.

doesn’t everyone who plays all WvW have billions of karma (hyperbole) they don’t need anyways?

Drysdale.3826:

Is there a list online that shows medium servers, I don’t have access to the game right now.

There is now:

Ferguson’s Crossing
Eredon Terrace
Henge of Denravi

(this is a complete list)

BossFi.6917:

The Revealed was there to stop cloak and dagger to instantly stealth again which was making it virtually impossible to target a theif and do damage or stun them.

Now that has been fixed I really dont see a problem with killing theifs. If you cant stun or damage a thief in 3 secs then this game is maybe too fast paced for you :/

revealed only applies if one attacks from stealth.
if one waits for the stealth timer to be nearly up and uses CnD just as it wears off it pops them right back into stealth.

this change to revealed and/or the culling does not have any effect on CnD spam perma stealth whatsoever.

Titan.3472:

After last week helping BG beating JQ in T1, I decided to reform completely with new crew and we choosed to be base in Kaineng as we have a FREE transfer week now.

Its only a free transfer week if you intend to move to FC, ET, or HOD.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Oh, and don’t forget all haste has been dropped by 50%, so if you could drop a thief in 3 seconds using haste, you’ll probably need at least 6 now. Meanwhile, back in game, you get this stuff:

That math is wrong.

If 100% increase in damage nets you 3 seconds to kill a thief, then 6 seconds was your original time to kill with no haste.

The 50% increase would actually only put you 1 second behind the 100% increase at 4 seconds.

So your time would go from 3 to 4 seconds, not 3 to 6+.

(correct me if i’m wrong)

Kelo.4370:

hex.3218:

I don’t know what all the complaining is about. Did BG win last week? Rejoice children! The long cold night of the JQ is OVER! Now that JQ has been beaten, they will implode. Just like HoD, ET, SoS and the other server with the guy that did ventriliquism on the island. The plane boss, the plane!

But seriously, kids, this week is not exactly a fair fight. BG spotted us a big lead resting up for the patch and the week that follows the patch. This week is almost a throw away. Patch mid week, come on. One set of rules half the week, another set of rules the second half.

Look on the very bright side of things. Dedicated players will not be worth MORE than zerglings. Servers like SoR will have a better chance to compete. BG and JQ have a lot of half-in half-out WvW players who won’t spend a lot of time getting ranked up. Smart servers will be able to create specialists for different situations, or even heroes of great reknown that can strike fear in the hearts of other players with their shiny tag alone!

When does the patch go live?

It’s ok though Blackgate never got to be rank 1, they may have won a week match but they still didn’t obtain the throne. It’s like winning a round in a best of 3 Street Fighter game. Blackgate still has some work to do if they want to obtain the throne of NA Tier 1.

Rating system is garbage. Ask anyone in T8.

BG won one.

Party down BlackGate. The only win condition is to win.

I guess i’m just one of the few people who isn’t worried about mass transfers to FC or ET lol.

I would guess those server will see more attrition than influx over the next few months. But thats just a guess.

Nothing has really been done to address the reasons people aren’t playing on those servers in the first place. I don’t see most of the population as just sitting around wishing we had the cash to move to Ferguson’s Crossing.

Ruprect.7260:

fivekiller.1432:

Ruprect.7260:

Straegen.2938:

Lets hope another Special K (Kaineng) situation doesn’t happen again.

I foresee a mass migration from SoS to a med pop server creating this situation again.

SOS doesn’t really have the population anymore to push a medium pop server up out of the lower ranks.

They are high pop and probably will still be competitive in t4. If most of their WvW guilds moved down to say HoD, we could possible see another KN situation.

??
KN pulled players from not just a T4 server but a premier guild from a T1 server along with other guilds from all over.

It takes a lot more to push to T2 than just a few guilds from a T4 server.

You have to factor in that even if several large SOS guilds move, not all of their members will move with them and .. well, a couple of guilds from a T4 server really just don’t have that much of an impact to take a server to T2.

Ruprect.7260:

Straegen.2938:

Lets hope another Special K (Kaineng) situation doesn’t happen again.

I foresee a mass migration from SoS to a med pop server creating this situation again.

SOS doesn’t really have the population anymore to push a medium pop server up out of the lower ranks.

KLuka.4892:

Ruprect.7260:

•Catapult damage no longer affects rams through gates

This will be interesting

Kind of overdue – was one of the most weirdest “pro” tips that I learned.

Dealing damage through the doors feels really weird – with anything.

so i wonder if everything else will still damage rams through gates, and if everything not a ram will still be damaged by catapults through gates.

guess we’ll find out the answer to these questions and more soon.

Daendur.2357:

Ruprect.7260:

Patch notes are always released after the patch goes live.

Not true.
Patch notes are ususally released more or less 1 hour before the patch … enough time to do market speculation.

like today.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-March-26-2013/first#post1700276

you don’t know that is a “spy” doing that.

i’m wondering if a great deal of people here are unaware what the word “spy” even means.

SmokeyNYY.7841:

So……TYSM to SoR? If this is true our NA will be unstoppable

That wacky TYSM.. you never know where they may go next.

So if SOR had won would we just assume it was someone from SOR doing all the trolling?

Stop jumping to conclusions people. Learn to science.

Liquid.9672:

fivekiller.1432:

culling will bring some back to check it out, but they won’t stay.

It’s not just the removal of culling though. If the items/skins being added to the badge vendors are good, people will have more motivation to keep playing, even if they may be frustrated with certain elements of the WvW format. Not to mention ranks, which at least some people will care about and want to grind for.

you should check out some of Frederick Herzberg’s work.

It isn’t designed to apply to gaming, but I wonder if some of his work is applicable.

If so, which is where I am coming from, items wouldn’t really be incentive to play any more than a working game will. A working game (i.e. the removal of culling) is something we expect as a bare minimum. It doesn’t make us happy when the game works, it only upsets us when it does not.

I feel item reward is similar. Proper item reward does not make a happy gamer, lack of reward can make an unhappy gamer.

If the game is fundamentally fun and fulfilling people will play. WvW is designed as a game mode with the scoreboard as its win condition. The scoreboard cannot be feasibly won or lost by any reasonable organized group. There is little opportunity for achievement within the game. Without ranting too much i’ll just say unless something more fundamental changes, the game’s decline will not be undone.

I’m not trying to step too far outside the scope of the work, its just something to consider. Open to the possibility I am completely wrong as I am just making all of this up.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Sounds awesome. Maybe some people will realize that stacking in T1 is a pretty bad idea and move down, making for more balanced tiers.

I hope that there is at least a 1h queue on every T1 map at all times after the patch hit, for at least a month.

I find the game its funnest when every server has queues. many of us feel stacking in T1 is a good idea for that reason.

a 1h queue on every T1 map at all times after the patch would be ideal for me. that would mean every server has equal population in every map 24 hours a day. the fighting would truly be non-stop and epic.

sadly, this is only going to cause a short spike. the problems with WvW are more myriad than are addressed with this patch. a game that cannot be won is not fun, and this patch does little to address that. then there are the many other reasons people quit besides the fun factor.

culling will bring some back to check it out, but they won’t stay.

Israel.7056:

Zen.8497:

No, I know I am not.
Based on the battles that I have partaken, the organized SoR squads, though, win most of the times.

Well that’s not the same thing as saying an entire server’s WvW population is better at combat.

its also something i have heard many BG and JQ players say.

just the way it goes when making claims that cannot be proven or disproven.

interestingly enough, we all seem to be on “the one true server,” even though we are not all on the same server.

Monsoon.2589:

Open question to BlackGate Commanders,

If you really want to get back to the second spot you have to focus on taking red objectives not greens. For the last two days on several maps I have witnessed many commanders going for green targets which does not affect the amount of points red gets.

This creates an endless cycle of gaining and losing points from green. You do not have the numbers to beat green atm so why not focus on keeping the second place instead and capture points from red?

I don t get it…honestly I don t

Sidenote: Also to all servers/commanders, please cool down on the 70+ people zergs. It requires no skills and is just not sportsman like.

theres nothing wrong with playing for first.

right now this is the closest the matchup has been in a long time and when BG/SOR just start focusing on each other and playing for second all that is going to happen is JQ is going to pull that much further ahead.

right now JQ is 20k ahead. 20k is a gap that can be closed. (not claiming it will)

not to mention many people on BG still feel like they are fighting for JQs spot, not SORs. very few people expect SOR to maintain their lead. if they are correct then hitting JQ is a fine way to play.

Fixeon.5076:

EMP canceled on TW 3 times after agreeing to a time and date. Respect is earned not given and I see no reason for TW to respect a guild that cant keep it’s word. I am sure win or lose TW would be just as respectful as any other guild here. It’s not like if they lose they are going to cry about how they cheated and had more people than them. Or complain that spectators helped… GvG is about guild pride just as much as it is about anything else. And if you can’t accept that if you lose the other team is going to celebrate then you shouldn’t be playing the game. This isn’t pee-wee soccer… not everyone is a winner.

@fivekiller, If you read my post you would see my point is that every reason they have used is nothing more than excuse to avoid the fight. I am sick of seeing them dodge the fight. Just get it done and over with and then the rest of us don’t have to listen to the back and forth anymore.

Some of us try to be respectful towards all those we encounter. No creature must earn the respect of a gentleman. If all young people would try to follow this tenet the world could be a brighter place.

And I wasn’t trying to make any comments on excuses or make any claim other than that I felt your logic behind your second “reason” was flawed in that I have yet to see EMP publicly brag about their accomplishments beyond what is reasonable. I was merely pointing out why i feel the false dilemma you argued was in fact false.

Fixeon.5076:

Anyone else find it funny that EMP claim 1 thing and do another? I mean they claim the score is too close so they don’t fight TW. Yet they fight Agg when the score is much closer now that it has been since BG got here.They claim they don’t want to gvg TW because gvg is not about chest thumping. And then they brag about their gvg record. They claim TW doesn’t give proper respect but they use the videos of their GvGs are recruitment adds. LoL…. I honestly am losing more and more respect for EMP every time they come up with another excuse. Just fight them and get it over with.

As tw not doing gvg against anyone else I have to say I think thats more or less people being afraid of them. I see them offering to set up GvGs all the time but no one seems to take them up on the offer.

What are you talking about, roughly 5-10 posts before yours an EMP leader outlines the exact reasons they don’t want to GvG against TW.

And posting announcements that GvG is going to happen followed by the score isn’t bragging or “chest thumping.” EMP has always posted the results whether they win or lose.

look here: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/80025-tier-1-gvg-emptsym-hb-votf/

EMP vs VOTF score 0-5 VOTF, still got posted along with all the others.

We’re fortunate to have guild leaders keeping us spectators in the loop. We shouldn’t discourage them from trying to keep the community involved by calling them braggarts every time they post the results. This is the main reason someone like me, who is not involved, is arguing against you.

For NA, Tarnished Coast hands down.

They have been in crazy extended matchups where they have been green for weeks and red for weeks with some of the trolliest forum warrioringest servers in the game and have for the most part stayed positive and amicable through it all.

Durian.5419:

It’s going to be a real shame when culling gets fixed. People won’t look around and think they are wiping 40 with 20 anymore.

I’ve wondered if this will be the case many times. I like to think we’ll know when we outnumber the enemy, but I wonder if the phenomenon will still occur.

on the other topic,

Glad to see EMP doing well still, seems they are the current reigning champions in the GvG world. The guild to beat for sure.

Has TW even ever done a GvG? Maybe you guys could fight some folks that aren’t EMP and see how you do against the people EMP are fighting if EMP doesn’t wish to fight you guys.

I’ll go ahead and disagree with most folks here.

In any guild of 50 there are 45 people who know how to handle and read a map, where to put siege, and what objective needs to be hit. Concentrating on that isn’t really important.

A good commander organizes the team and micromanages those who follow him/her and wins the fights on the field through proper leadership and inspiration of teamwork. Proper direction within individual battles and making the right call and ensuring everyone is educated on those calls is the hard thing to find in a commander.

Finding people who know when to hit the watergate and when to hit the north supply camp instead is easy.

in summation: micromanagement skills are usually what i see lacking, not macromanagement.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

Durian.5419:

JQ is water.

The moment you turn your back…the moment you say, “We have this map, let’s hit them somewhere else…”

One camp will flip. Then another. Then a tower. Then your keeps will be trebucheted from both sides, and you will return to find nothing. You will hastily retake your keeps, and search for the offenders…but you will only see groups of four and five, who you will roll over with your zerg, screaming “we are winning! WE ARE WINNING!”

But you lose.

We are water.

how does that even relate to water? o_o

it’s a common metaphor used in the united states.

we have a saying something along the lines about how water is infirm and easy to manipulate but at the same time it carved the entire grand canyon. it is very weak and strong at the same time depending on perspective.

ya you found some friends who are on a different server.

sometimes people know other people.

why didn’t you get a vid :/

Tyaen.5148:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Score update.

Interesting, the weekend is over and BG is in 3rd.

typically tier 1 is decided monday-thursday.

where the guardian comes out ahead is:

in large zerg vs. zerg fights those fancy abilities like marks and wells don’t really matter as you can’t use them with the lag.

staff 1 pretty much always works.

katniss.6735:

Why don’t you just transfer like everyone else did early in the start? And I don’t mean to the top like too many did.

why do you say “too many?”

we don’t have queue problems in T1 and its the best place to be assured consistent around-the-clock action. you never end up in situations where your team just doesn’t have anyone playing. we all piled in there for a reason, and it wasn’t to be on the winning team.

sielfiel.4692:

hmmmm.. oh boy NA tier 1 is horrible. SOR doesnt seem to be a good server to transfer to. VZ is close to collapsing. massive guild transfers is just around the corner.

?

SOR is a fine server with a lot of great players. They do extremely well in T1 considering they don’t have half the non-NA players JQ and BG have.

CuddleStrike.8215:

Time for another update!

Also how any of you could FIGHT let alone MOVE in that battle in EBG is beyond me. Could barely get my number 1 ability to go off…

If you have a guardian try that.

Staff 1 works through the lag and is a great AOE.

I made like 5 gold tonight sitting in that keep spamming it.

if you’re running in small groups do not play a ranger. you’re just going to die a lot.

elementalists have the tools necessary to escape bad situations that crop up unexpectedly, rangers simply do not.

also, if you plan on doing any larger group stuff.. don’t play a ranger, you’re not going to help out a lot.

the ranger class is only for those who absolutely love the playstyle and the theme of the class, it does no given thing better than one or all of the other classes and is worse at many key things.

gottawhinekitten.4812:

i understand people always use double teaming as a liable strategy, but this is ridiculous. JQ/SOR have been working on double teaming EBG keep for almost 4 hours now. I think you guys are now just at it still just to salvage your pride at this point

BG and SOS have had longer stretches 2v1ing JQ.

but if it doesn’t end soon it could be a new record. not sure.
I think JQ was suppressed one friday night for over 5 hours.

I know i’ve seen BG/JQ get SOR and SOS both at one point or another, but only for an hour or two.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/I-m-not-sure-but-do-we-Need-more-T8-threads/first#post1648175

you forgot this one

Fuzzion.2504:

If SoR loses badly again, and Kain wins t2, will sor drop into t2 or are the point difference still too great?

Sadly, with the system Arenanet has in place, it takes a lot more than simply losing by a good amount to drop a tier. The deciding factor is the score differential, and that differential must be extremely large (or just moderately large if both tiers are a blowout).

SOR moving down and/or Kain moving up is not likely to happen in the coming weeks/months. Even if SOR loses every match and Kain wins each match.

Jahn.7019:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

GekoHayate.2451:

Jahn.7019:

WRod.3856:

You quaggens took that post serious tho, and that the funny part.

EMP is officially the IKEA of JQ.

EMP is a multi-billion dollar international company that has stores in over 38 countries?

Man what an insult. I would hate to be them.

Pretty sure he was alluding to EMP being quantity over quality similar to IKEA.

At least one person gets it.

i still am not getting it. could you explain?

maybe make a video or something would help?

Nakoor.1980:

You know I’m sure this next week will be amazing, but why don’t we all take a look at the most recent GvG a matchup of two very good guilds while we wait for the reset.

TW vs EMP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkrB9nf_jaE

why were you bringing people not in your guild for a GvG?

something tells me this isn’t GvG, but rather open field encounters that you just slapped a score on after editing them all together.

sostronk.8167:

Ascii.9726:

Nuvo.5014:

Any1 know if this will affect the Mesmer Stealth

Yes, this is affecting ALL stealths. A logical guess would be unless you stack the stealth durations (one stealth skill whilst still in stealth) you will be revealed.

sostronk.8167:

Yes it will. Veil is what is being nerfed here as far as I am concerned.

This shouldn’t affect the Veil gank if your a coordinated team, as long as each Mesmers Veils are within 4 seconds of each other (travel time)

The change effects veil because there is a debuff on stealthing again, so it will need to be more than 4 seconds. With culling removed and the debuff it means you can no longer run through the back line of a zerg without being seen.

to clarify, unless something has changed. the reveal debuff lasts 4 second after leaving stealth, not entering it. so there is no amount of proper timing that will give continuous stealth.

sostronk is correct, just making sure the mechanic is clear.

As a thief player, this along with the bug fixes to stealth is all i’ve ever thought needed to be done to fix stealth issues entirely.

many thief playstyles rely on stealth more than anything else, any more than this would just be heavy handed pendulum balancing.

Azaruil.3406:

In the last 3 days, I’ve had about 10 BG players alt+f4 or log out on me while they were downed. You guys ought to inform them of the not so recent patch change.

Some players will ragequit regardless of the consequences.

Thats the nature of rage. it doesn’t really take things like patch notes and calculated loss into account.

Nameo.6842:

So, using lower resolution fallback models will make legendary weapons useless, because nobody will see those weapons ?
Good enough.

true if the game setting you speak of applies to all characters at all times in all places from all points of view!

Assuming that in practice at any given time each Necromancer pet has a 20% chance of actually being alive and not dead to a random bear/worm/guardianstaff/arrowcart attack.. that means the necro army will actually be closer to 200 strong than 700!