Guild Wars 2

Inprognito.9487:

Elementalist using Dragon’s Tooth is my favorite way to destroy them.

yep.

you don’t need LOS. if you can get a target and stand next to the wall you can kill any cart in the game.

will probably go the way of the mesmer greatsword 4. but until then no arrow cart is safe.

Djavlas.8249:

unless your server or enemy servers are really bad, every wall and gate can have 2-6 unkillable arrow carts.

and to head off a response, having to build trebs to take out arrow carts is ridiculous

i’m not certain i believe this. North hills for example really has nowhere to put an arrow cart that it can’t be killed from the ground.

unless it is so far back it can’t hit the people on the ground out front anyways.

player skill isn’t the only factor.

it may not even be the major factor.

the class and build your opponent is running is a huge part of what makes you good or bad at 1v1.

I dare say even the great Hot Boy might lose a 1v1 or two if he were playing a DPS staff elementalist against a 1v1 specced mesmer. But he might also pop some enemy arrow carts up on the wall above too.

And thats the meat and potatoes of it. Some good players are good enough to know when they are alone on their more utility/group spec and they see an eager mesmer running at them how it is going to play out. They may even be good enough to know on their current setup they have about a 5% chance of walking away from it the winner only if the mesmer player is a complete buffoon who’s power goes out halfway through the fight.

Score Update at 10:30P Eastern.

JaredKincade.9761:

Yea, thats a great idea. Punish winners.

you need to re-read what you quoted.

nobody has said anything in this thread to date suggesting anyone punish winners.

snacktime.1082:

While I understand it, it frustrating to see people do things that hurt the good fights.

- Tribal mentality about servers. Our server is better then yours. The game would be more balanced if guilds would actually transfer to even out a tier, and forget misplaced/illogical server loyalties.

- guilds moving to the winning server. This just makes no sense every way I look at it and is not good for server balance. If you want to play within a specific tier, pick the least competitive server and move there. If you really care about the health of wvw, that’s the best choice.

If you move to a server because you want to help it move up a tier, you are doing more harm then good. I know you didn’t mean to have this effect, but that’s how it works.

I couldn’t agree more.

The problem I see is the servers that are winning are allowed to go on winning far too long. We’re not going to stop people from being people and wanting to stack on a winning server so the only solution is to develop a system that is tolerant to people doing what people do.

Arenanet is currently failing at that and they are failing at noticing the problem and adapting their model to correct it.

Look at the top 4 brackets. The scores aren’t really extremely close there.

One of the problems is a winning server like Blackgate or Tarnished should not be allowed to sit here and win 6 weeks in a row with little to no chance of losing. That takes the issue here and exacerbates it far beyond what is necessary.

The math could either be tweaked to allow more volativity in the scores or any other number of changes could be implemented.

although, like the transfer problem, this is Arenanet’s failing and not our community. We can only do our best to enjoy the imperfect and slow to improve system we were given.

While I too wish the competition was more even in the bracket, it simply isn’t and Blackgate has been in no real danger of losing yet.

It is clear BG has a real shot at T1 and all those transferring over to BG may just be doing so because they want to be there before we get to T1. I don’t blame them.

SOR and IOJ both have tried to rally everyone to their servers for a T1 push but as I have said many times. BG is the only server with somewhat even coverage and simply is the place to be for a T1 push and those who were serious about it seemed to have listened.

There is nothing wrong with that if that is what they want to do. Its their game. I won’t be mad at them if they ditch out for another server in the future either, they should do what they have fun doing imo.

We’re a good server, and unlike some others we have a LOT of room in all time zones, especially NA. We have room for hundreds of NA WvW players. This is something not many upper tier servers can say and it no doubt has something to do with why we’re getting new guilds.

(personally, I am happy with BG as it is in T2. I wouldn’t mind seeing more non-NA guilds on SOR so the fight could be a tad more even. Especially with TC coming up.)

BlackeHawke.9025:

Sorry I havn’t had a chance to post it on these forums but yes. HIRE has transferred to Ehmry Bay. Thanks for all the good luck wishes!

A quick shoutout to the guilds ICoa, KnT, Choo, and Foo (i might be forgetting some) for giving us a great matchup in T2. Hope to see you guys again

It has been both a pleasure and a frustrating hair pulling pain in the rear fighting you guys

I hope you have fun on Ehmry Bay, best wishes to all of you and I too hope we meet again!

Greyskies.2815:

BG and SoR can you please double team IoJ so TC can move up. No offense IoJ, I’m just tired of fighting FA. I’m not saying we would even win against BG and SoR..I just want a change of opponent and team color :P

its up to you guys to win harder.

IOJ right now is currently losing 35 rating.

you gotta at least meet them half way!

(although IOJ traditionally comes out stronger in the week and gets their rating back)

Mian.1945:

Hah, I wish all you guys would use Ventrilo instead of TS. I’m listening to my RL buddies on Skype, my GW2 guildies on Vent, adding a 3rd voip might cause my head to explode.

I never liked TS in WoW, its sound quality had this horrible robot feel to it compared to Vent (not to mention Skype).

TS has improved a lot over the years.

Bunzy.8674:

fivekiller.1432:

Bunzy.8674:

Who needs skill when we have numbers! – YB OFFICIAL MOTTO.
This is why they got stomped in Tier 3, because without having a major numbers advantage they were lost and didn’t know what to do.

None of the servers in this matchup were stomped in Tier 3.

The only reason a server moved from T3 to T4 was because CD had a blowout victory in T4 and had to move up. FA and Yak’s had less than a 10k point difference at the end of the match. Yaks even scored higher than FA at times.

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The more you know!

FA has less of a population then YB does, this is what makes it funny!

This is what is known as a “wild assertion.” It could be described as making a claim that is not backed by evidence and cannot be proven.

If I were to make the claim that Yak’s Bend actually has on any given day a lower population than either Fort Aspenwood or Tarnished coast I too would be making a wild and baseless claim.

If I were to then go to my screenshot folder and pull, say, 10 almost random screenshots from when I was still playing on Yak’s Bend and in the matter of less than a few minutes find 10 examples of Yak’s Bend being outmanned on several maps over the course of many different times, many being NA prime time and all against TC and FA, I would then have a basis for my claim.

http://imgur.com/a/CEThN#0

While my claim would still then be unproven, it would stand head and shoulders above a random wild claim with no actual evidence to support it.

*of note: PVE population does not matter. The only relevant population in WvW is the active WvW population. Discard any notions you have about the server status page and how they might relate to WvW populations.

Bunzy.8674:

Who needs skill when we have numbers! – YB OFFICIAL MOTTO.
This is why they got stomped in Tier 3, because without having a major numbers advantage they were lost and didn’t know what to do.

None of the servers in this matchup were stomped in Tier 3.

The only reason a server moved from T3 to T4 was because CD had a blowout victory in T4 and had to move up. FA and Yak’s had less than a 10k point difference at the end of the match. Yaks even scored higher than FA at times.

The more you know!

Vodka.3958:

covenn.7165:

Listen, all of this arguing about playing low level toons in WvW is disgraceful. Consider this fact. We could all reroll new characters and step out into WvW in greens with half of our abilities unlocked and STILL farm badges from Icoa and KNT all night.

So lets keep it civil please and make our moderators job easy. Thanks in advance friends.

This guy is obviously a full-time forum warrior that has never farmed a badge in his life. He’s probably not even from SoR and is a troll from Kaineng; where he belongs. I especially laughed at the part when he said “Listen” because everything he says is a joke It does look like SoR is taking second place for the 5th week in a row though… Keep it up Blackgate and we’ll be out of this tier in no time!

Everyone knows BG holds dominance in EB and everyone knows Icoa is probably the main guild there. And anyone who hasn’t seen KnT run in and down a group three times their size hasn’t been playing in this matchup for more than a day.

What some people are doing is trying to create the illusion that our BG guilds suck on the forums because they sure can’t show that they are bad on the scoreboard. Its all they have and anyone modestly intelligent knows everything these folks are saying about your and other BG guilds is just utter garbage born from frustration and angst.

In any case, TC and IOJ are looking extremely close right now. Could it be possible this is the week the bracket changes? I would surely feel bad for T3 if IOJ were there as i would predict IOJ to just stomp that tier. But that would probably be a good thing for them and us I would imagine. Perhaps they would return with new vigor! Or maybe the trade would provoke livelier matches in both tiers?

you guys can bring your level 8 selves over to Blackgate.

we have room on most every map at any time for your lowbies to play. we dont really quibble over space on the maps as there is always plenty, so we don’t mind at all.

pot.6805:

Ah okay I get what your saying. But yeah according to RUin they have about 20 active players still. Hopefully they can help shore up some of our NA coverage.

we still made it through another NA friday night without queues on most maps.

maybe there were on some maps for a while but our NA is still looking a little light. an hour after reset we were outmanned on two maps.

does that mean SOR can’t complain about us PVDooring them? they are doing the same thing right?

can we try to be good sports for just this once guys and not tear each other down for the next 10 pages?

Dahkeus.8243:

It’s frustrating, but is fair considering how much defensive stats drakes have and how hard their F2 hits.

mine doesn’t hit hard at all.

in fact i don’t even see damage numbers it hits so not hard.

Gladiat.6278:

fivekiller.1432:

yongri.8702:

Why not just let all servers go free for all against eachother?

WvWvWvWvWvWvWvW or however many servers there are….

hey that could work if they split all the servers into 3 teams!

Invisible Wars 2: Culling Edition

so i guess what you’re saying is.

it wouldn’t really be any different

and i think that is the heart of why 3 teams is already pushing it, and we probably won’t see 4 or 5 or 12 any time soon!

yongri.8702:

Why not just let all servers go free for all against eachother?

WvWvWvWvWvWvWvW or however many servers there are….

hey that could work if they split all the servers into 3 teams!

or they just opened them all up.

In tier two both Blackgate and IOJ are fairly light in the NA time slot. BG is probably the most evened out server below tier 1 and is close to being a T1 contender, but still has no queues really outside of the 5 min friday night ones on a few maps. I would recommend IOJ as well as they have good coverage and could really do something with more NA folks. SOR is a NA behemoth with little coverage outside of that time zone.

Same goes for T3 in that only TC would be heavy in that time slot. CD actually has more non-NA population than they have NA and FA is just a scrappy group of folks who would have room for guilds in any time slot.

T4 the clear choice is absolutely Yak’s Bend for their excellent community with WvW coordination that is unmatched in probably any tier.

once again though. which classes do not have cripple/immobilize on many of their weapons?

the warrior has cripple or immob on every weapon they commonly use. and with 1 10 point talent all snares become immobs.

Durzlla.6295:

Rune of the Pack, 30 points in nature magic, warhorn, bird pet, congrats you have perma swiftness.

kinda frustrating though considering:

a warrior needs only the best elite they have already equipped and a warhorn in their inventory along with no traits, runes, or clothing

necro is similar. perma swiftness from one utility skill and a warhorn in their inventory

there are other.. but consider other classes get it running around naked and untraited yet rangers have to put a full 30 points in a line and have a complete runeset along with a certain pet? kinda locks em into a playstyle doesn’t it? most other classes don’t have to build their characters around swiftness.

still.. run speed isn’t the problem with rangers. i don’t know why any sane person would think it is. run speed isn’t an escape and it won’t save your life in a sour situation. rangers need escapes. this all is just going to allow them to get to where they are going to die quicker.

Peetee.9406:

Couple that with the natural 2v1 of Green fighting Blue to perserve ranking and Red fighting Blue to move up and the Blue server is just in an awful position.

This is the most important part.

there are other variables confounding the issue making it impossible to say based on observation such as the OP suggests whether the map is to blame or not.

tried to edit an earlier post and it went all buggy on me :/

in any case, i’ll resubmit the newest score for those wondering.

looks like SOR has officially gone to sleep for the night.

in a sense isn’t everything dying.

such is the nature of impermanence.

Crusader.1083:

SOR is just getting burnt out. I know a lot of us have played way too much this week. Our prime time was essentially our overnight crew as well.

you guys can go ahead and rest easy now. you fought well and deserve your sleep.

we’ll look after the maps for you while you slumber.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

I like the culling patch. You guys aren’t thieves and mesmers are you by any chance?

same.

i was a bit upset at it at first. then i learned to understand it a bit more and how it works.

now i’m just fine with it, and prefer it.

waeren.9743:

Anyone that could provide a score update?

a little late. but if anyone is wondering score right now.

ioj is doing their thing!

more than one of these spots exist on BOTH southern supply camps on each borderland map actually.

its not one spot on one camp.

no but i wish they’d fix it so people will stop complaining about it.

kinda like the alt-f4 thing!

Artaz.3819:

In other news:

IoJ has recently acquired Ascension Alliance (what remains of them) including Team Legacy. That definitely adds to the talent pool for IoJ during NA primetime. And it’s good to see some old allies now as my enemy

recently, as in, a couple of months ago?

don’t really care how its implemented.

in a game that so favors guilds allying with one another this feature should be bumped up the priority list over many other less useful and needed features.

having commander/alliance/lfd/etc.. chats is just a no brainer.

Aurust.8961:

Marked increase in alt + f4. I dont get it…… the people logging are getting stuck in qeue and just wasting their time either way, while the victor gets a good laugh.

not your opponents.

BG and IOJ don’t wait in queues to wvw. thats a SOR thing.

I do not think it possible to find a server more ogranized than Yak’s Bend.

They have a small population and are sitting where they are completely due to their communication and organization.

That is a double edged sword though. On Yak’s you will find yourself outnumbered every day as they constantly perform above their weight class.

Its not for everyone, but they are absolutely top tier as far as cross-guild communication and organization.

Chipperz.2594:

Loving this Double teaming from SOR and BG, it just makes the game so much more fun, Does it seriously take SOR and BG to double team Ioj to take us out LOL at choooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Dec-7-BG-SOR-IOJ/first#post949072

in short, yes, the game was designed such that SOR and BG will both be fighting IOJ. the only way to change this is for one of us to leave the tier. in which case IOJ will still be fighting two other servers regardless.

mrauls.6519:

Why is IOJ always 3rd =(

I wouldn’t call a run of being 3rd all of one times in a row as “always 3rd.”

and nice find Phoenix. I wouldn’t have thought such a post existed.

Lensar.4920:

Wow, you guys have queues?

I can’t remember the last time I had to wait in a queue on Blackgate for anything other than EBG.

i know right!

i thought if blackgate didn’t have any queues that meant surely none of the others did.

works for me though!

i don’t get why we can’t at least see the red nameplates of enemies if not the models.

so i can at least see if i’m about to be running into a herd of red named people.

Allow me to kick offline group members.

daneo.9732:

fivekiller.1432:

there is no reason wvw servers have to be tied to pve servers.

other than the fact that it is that way now.

but they would not have to merge pve servers to rework the wvw ones.

were do you see anything in my post about PvE? There is no such thing as a PvE server.

you seem to have grossly misunderstood my post. after re-reading what i said i can see how i wasn’t very clear.

what i was saying was.. there are servers right now, for example – Maguuma..

Maguuma has two facets, the PVE maguuma and the WvW maguuma. There is no reason the people playing PVE in maguuma should be tied to those WvWing in Maguuma other than the fact that Anet set it up that way.

It does not have to be set up that way though.

They could create another server called, for the sake of example.. Daneo’s Crossing..

Daneo’s Crossing could then hold all of the people who PVE on Maguuma, Ferguson’s Crossing, and Stormbluff Isle.

So you see, i was supporting your idea while at the same time pointing out that there is a way to do it that doesn’t necessarily change what server anyone plays on for PVE.

Then all players would have a PVE server.. Maguuma, Blackgate, Yak’s Bend, etc..
and a WvW server.. Daneo’s Crossing and say.. 8 other servers.

Server mergers without effecting the PVE game and there would be no servers sitting at FULL because they happen to have more PVE people on them. They could then increase/decrease servers as the game changes without ever having to mess with the PVE servers they have going on now.

as NA prime time closes I thought i’d throw in a score update.

Indo.8629:

Man you BG are so sensitive.

i’d like to chime in here that this is a misrepresentation of our server.

we are not overly sensitive.

IOJ backdoored us while we were in the SOR garrison 4 times tonight and so far i have only cried twice.

thats about normal right?

edit: come on Indo, just make one post where you aren’t saying something disparaging about our entire server

Indo.8629:

I’m just restating what your own server blamed your T1 loss on.

Don’t get upset with me, quite frankly I enjoy the fights with you guys and IoJ. I think they are a blast.

the issue i’m trying to clear up for you is that our server did not say that. this is misinformation.

it could very well be you were just lied to, misinformed, or haven’t a firm understanding of the full situation. It doesn’t matter the reason for your error, I am simply correcting you regardless of what the root cause of your confusion may be.

and on internet forums, never assume anyone is upset. emotion is hard to read in these little text boxes and we more often read our own emotions than the emotions of our fellow forum-goers.

Indo.8629:

this has been said before by your own server players but while your server’s overall coverage is pretty good, the overall quality of the guilds is lower than the current T1 servers.

that may be a sentiment on your server.

we on BG absolutely do not feel our guilds are lower quality than those in tier 1.

this sort of trash talk is not serving you or this thread well and is best left out. we are in tier 2 for the same reason SOR is, we have less round the clock WvW coverage than those above us.

almost every post of yours i’ve seen is some attempt to defame or belittle BG. you don’t want to try to win by pulling us down. if you continue like that for too long it can only make you look small.

MiasmicMist.1420:

Let’s end the 2v1 nonsense from all sides, please.

It’s called WvWvW, there is a reason for the 3 way battle.

i made a picture to help illustrate.

arrow shows which teams each color is fighting against. of note is that no matter which color your team is, there are two arrows pointing at your team.

it is a little complicated, but hopefully this can clear it up for those who think getting double teamed is unusual.

Indo.8629:

BG- 6866, 215 ppt
SoR- 6751, 285 ppt
IoJ- 5539, 195 ppt

Same thing as always, SoR wins NA

i hate to be critical but..

according to what you typed right there in that same post. SOR isn’t winning NA or dominating it by any means.

you could argue they do sometimes or on some nights.

but so does BG.

actually last week BG was ahead almost every night during NA primetime.

there is no reason wvw servers have to be tied to pve servers.

other than the fact that it is that way now.

but they would not have to merge pve servers to rework the wvw ones.

Besetment.9187:

Have you considered Kenya? Mobile telecommunication coverage is poor right now but with a 19% year on year jump in mobile internet usage, there is significant growth potential in the domestic market. In time this could mean that people can WvW on their laptops, tablet computers and phones on the way to school, during their lunch break or even under the desk whilst at work so the towers and keeps never fall.

It may be worth spinning off a division of SoS players for political lobbying efforts on behalf of Kenyan telecom startups or multinationals moving into the region. Good idea no?

SOS plans to extend its recruitment efforts to the less populated areas of Africa in the next recruitment phase.

It is during that phase that we will target Africa, pirate vessels at sea capable of internet usage, and research teams stationed in Antarctica.

We hope to also gather more players from the international space station and we are working closely with SETI to ensure if life is found elsewhere in this universe, that life will be playing GW2 on Sea of Sorrows.

If this sounds like the sort of server you’d like to be a part of, please let us know!

i see the Sanctum of Recruiting has finally recruited even the game developers.

nothing can stop them now.

(yes i am just joking)

i too was in the garrison about to take the point when the servers went down. i also remember once a couple of weeks ago when they were at our keep with golems when the servers went down and i laughed pretty hard about it.

it just happens that way. in a constant battle there is really no good time to pull the servers down so.. its just gotta happen.