basically as of later today glory and all spvp rewards will be gone with the exception of the new vendor and there will be a slight boost to silver earned for completing matches which will be used to purchase rewards when they eventually add a new reward system (who knows when)
all glory boosters are also being removed so hope you didn’t buy any when they were selling them last week
Wow, that’s scary, I won’t be surprised if they add in game power advantages into the vendor. It starting to seem like NCSoft doesn’t care who they tick off, casuals, hard core, P2W players, you name it.
Just trying to inflate those share prices, so they can sell out and jump ship. Then shutdown the servers like they did with CoH.
Don’t think I’ll be wasting any more time with this game. Not even going to bother with Wildstar.
No I think I’m okay. It’s not up to you who gets to post in this thread.
And posting some nonsense article isn’t a valid answer to how ascended gear has ruined the game for you because the reasons in that article have largely not happened.
not sure if trolling or genuinely oblivious
you just have to look at the Spvp changes
replacing the currency you earn through playing the game with the one you buy with your credit card
its all about monetization now and ascended is the primary tool to keep people grinding or pay anet to get gold to skip the tedium.
Whilst I completely agree with you, please don’t take his bait. Go with that first instinct you had.
EDIT: What sPvP changes? Can you link them please?
I’m confused how ascended gear has ruined the game for you.
Well sorry but I’m not going to explain it, as there have been many, many posts that do explain it. This thread is mainly about trying to find answers from those that were begging for it.
Perhaps because there is no valid argument why it’s bad?
Read my edit.
What a terrible article.
P.S. There is no veritcle progression in GW2.
I don’t want to argue, please move along.
No I think I’m okay. It’s not up to you who gets to post in this thread.
And posting some nonsense article isn’t a valid answer to how ascended gear has ruined the game for you because the reasons in that article have largely not happened.
I’m confused how ascended gear has ruined the game for you.
Well sorry but I’m not going to explain it, as there have been many, many posts that do explain it. This thread is mainly about trying to find answers from those that were begging for it.
Perhaps because there is no valid argument why it’s bad?
Not that I’ll be playing this then, too many poor content updates to keep me interested when things such as Wildstar are released.
I assumed this much. Hard core grinders will only be happy with it for a limited time, then move on to the next dopamine fix they can find.
I wasn’t referring to vertical progression when I was on about content.
Pretty much the only thing I like in this game are dungeons. Sadly, the game has no dungeon team (as they were fired or moved to living story developers) and there’s only so many times I can run these current dungeons without tiring of them and wanting something fresh.
I’m confused how ascended gear has ruined the game for you.
Well sorry but I’m not going to explain it, as there have been many, many posts that do explain it. This thread is mainly about trying to find answers from those that were begging for it.
Perhaps because there is no valid argument why it’s bad?
I’m confused how ascended gear has ruined the game for you.
Well sorry but I’m not going to explain it, as there have been many, many posts that do explain it. This thread is mainly about trying to find answers from those that were begging for it.
I’m curious to know if you, the people that asked for vertical progression/gear grind/carrot on a stick, are happy with Ascended gear being added to the game. Is this what you were after? Are you now satisfied? Or are you disappointed? Are you now craving the next level of grind/progression/carrot chasing? Or have you already returned to whatever game it is you came from?
I’d really like to know if this was really worth damaging the game for me and many others.
Those that say Vertical Progression/gear grind is necessary for a games longevity, then how do you explain successful games such as LoL, DOTA 2, GW1, DAY Z and TF2 (currently 10 x more popular than Planteside 2, even after over 6 years.) all thriving with little to no vertical progression/gear grind?
It’s no secret that “successful” MMOs tend to become the dreaded “WoW clone”; because that’s what players want.
This is a false presumption that many people are making.
I think the biggest issue with the game was the introduction of Vertical Progression, which directly went against the manifesto.
LoL, DOTA 2, GW1, DAY Z and TF2 (currently 10 x more popular than Planteside 2, even after over 6 years.) are just some of many incredibly popular games, that prove that Vertical Progression in a game is not necessary to keep it alive.
Anet simply caved into the WoW/doom and gloom crowd and have really ticked off a lot of players.
Well I assumed everyone possessed the mental capacity to understand that farming mats/gold was part of the reason people don’t like crafting. Guess I was wrong. Lesson learned, next time I’ll include a special explanation, in easy to understand words just for people like you, ok?
You were too lazy to read a small paragraph, yet you somehow had the motivation to write a paragraph yourself…
Do you know who write that sentence? You did. I assume you possessed the mental capacity to understand if you spend thousands of hours in wvw you have the mats/gold already.
I’m not sure what your point is, but I’m pretty sure you don’t have one and are just trying to pick a fight for the sake of it AKA: Trolling.
Everything you have said is irrelevant and beside the point. The big picture is forcing PvPers in WvW to craft/grind gold/mats/anything that does not require the act of PvPing.
WvW is the only end game PVP with vertical progression, therefore it makes sense to reward the players for PvPing without the need to craft.
If you’re trying to tell me that it takes 30 mins to level crafting to 500, from start to finish, including farming gold/materials. Then post a video or else it didn’t happen.
Did I ever say “including farming gold/material”? No you said it.
I said farming gold/material is the hard part. “Crafting isn’t”.
You’ll need to wvw for thousands of hours and do daily everyday to "cough cough afford " crafting.
1-400 you can do in 20 minutes. 400-500 you have to decide if you want to speed it up by spend more money. And since you have so much fun with wvw I’m sure you don’t have a problem with your stacks of dragonite ore.
Well I assumed everyone possessed the mental capacity to understand that farming mats/gold was part of the reason people don’t like crafting. Guess I was wrong. Lesson learned, next time I’ll include a special explanation, in easy to understand words just for people like you, ok?
Anyway, back to the matter at hand. I see no reason that ascended armor can not be bought from WvW vendors. It could cost a large number of laurels/ectos/badges etc. I don’t care, because I would still feel like I am being rewarded for my efforts in WvW, rather than exluded from the reward because I refuse to craft.
Other MMORPGs give PvPers best gear rewards for PvPing. It just makes sense for GW2 to have it too.
Until this is implemented I will be taking my business elsewhere, to a company that knows how to reward it’s PvPers.
Someone explain to me what is so heroic about crafting that it is arguably the only reasonable way to get the best items.
If you needed drops from the most challenging events maybe, but the way it is is just lame, grindy and uninspired. And not a task for a hero but a peon.
^This.
+1
I think basically they all feel as though just because they have endured through and earned it from repetitive, boring, menial tasks and that no one else can earn Ascended through tasks they enjoy.
Understandable, although GW2 was supposed to be about having fun.
Ya, I can’t believe I endured 30 minutes of clicking a few button to level crafting. Not to mention I have to click 5 more button after I reached 500 crafting.
This is sure boring repetitive work.
Troll is obvious. 0/10
How is that a troll. Crafting takes 30 minutes. You are just bsing because you haven’t wvw enough to get enough material. So you just want the easy way out.
Really how many people have ascended gear. Just because people craft don’t mean they can afford ascended gear.
The fastest guide I found on crafting 0-500 takes an hour assuming you have all the mats (or gold to purchase the mats)
If you’re trying to tell me that it takes 30 mins to level crafting to 500, from start to finish, including farming gold/materials. Then post a video or else it didn’t happen.
Like I said, invalid.
I bid you good day.
EDIT: And your link proves nothing. There’s no estimated time stated.
Someone explain to me what is so heroic about crafting that it is arguably the only reasonable way to get the best items.
If you needed drops from the most challenging events maybe, but the way it is is just lame, grindy and uninspired. And not a task for a hero but a peon.
^This.
+1
I think basically they all feel as though just because they have endured through and earned it from repetitive, boring, menial tasks and that no one else can earn Ascended through tasks they enjoy.
Understandable, although GW2 was supposed to be about having fun.
Ya, I can’t believe I endured 30 minutes of clicking a few button to level crafting. Not to mention I have to click 5 more button after I reached 500 crafting.
This is sure boring repetitive work.
Troll is obvious. 0/10
How is that a troll. Crafting takes 30 minutes. You are just bsing because you haven’t wvw enough to get enough material. So you just want the easy way out.
Really how many people have ascended gear. Just because people craft don’t mean they can afford ascended gear.
The fastest guide I found on crafting 0-500 takes an hour assuming you have all the mats (or gold to purchase the mats)
Someone explain to me what is so heroic about crafting that it is arguably the only reasonable way to get the best items.
If you needed drops from the most challenging events maybe, but the way it is is just lame, grindy and uninspired. And not a task for a hero but a peon.
^This.
+1
I think basically they all feel as though just because they have endured through and earned it from repetitive, boring, menial tasks and that no one else can earn Ascended through tasks they enjoy.
Understandable, although GW2 was supposed to be about having fun.
Ya, I can’t believe I endured 30 minutes of clicking a few button to level crafting. Not to mention I have to click 5 more button after I reached 500 crafting.
Someone explain to me what is so heroic about crafting that it is arguably the only reasonable way to get the best items.
If you needed drops from the most challenging events maybe, but the way it is is just lame, grindy and uninspired. And not a task for a hero but a peon.
^This.
+1
I think basically they all feel as though just because they have endured through and earned it from repetitive, boring, menial tasks and that no one else can earn Ascended through tasks they enjoy.
Understandable, although GW2 was supposed to be about having fun.
No, you do not. Your capacity to work for it is as much as anyone else’s, that’s all anyone “deserves”.
Nothing is stopping you from simply farming gold and BUYING all of the materials, at which point you press “craft” for 6 forms of Vision Crystal, and 1 more time each for 6 pieces of armor.
You want to kill things? HAM out. You are too stubborn to craft 12 things? You really don’t deserve anything.
If you consider fighting in WvW and helping my server win, “work”. Then yes I am willing to “work” for it. I am not willing to hit a craft button, while I farm mats all day.
I think us WvWers deserve an option to obtaining Ascended apart from crafting for fighting the war, whilst you, PVErs can enjoy perks for our effort.
I just crafted an ascended staff today. Let me check how many button I pressed. I pressed 5 I think. So much work.
Completely irrelevant, but ok, thanks for sharing that…
I just read a “I’m too lazy to craft, so gimme the ascended right when I got the materials” …
It’s like “I don’t want to farm so long for a legendary, just give me one after 1000 hours playtime” …
T____T
And I read your statement as “I’m too lazy to read the entire thread, so I’ll make a comment that is completely irrelevant and untrue. Because that’s how I troll”
No, you do not. Your capacity to work for it is as much as anyone else’s, that’s all anyone “deserves”.
Nothing is stopping you from simply farming gold and BUYING all of the materials, at which point you press “craft” for 6 forms of Vision Crystal, and 1 more time each for 6 pieces of armor.
You want to kill things? HAM out. You are too stubborn to craft 12 things? You really don’t deserve anything.
If you consider fighting in WvW and helping my server win, “work”. Then yes I am willing to “work” for it. I am not willing to hit a craft button, while I farm mats all day.
I think us WvWers deserve an option to obtaining Ascended apart from crafting for fighting the war, whilst you, PVErs can enjoy perks for our effort.
You only get 40 laurel a month right? If it is 200 laurels per peice, it’ll take 5 month for a single piece.
Do people even make “any” gold in WvW? at that rate, you might earn enough money.
It doesn’t have to be 200 laurels, it could be something along the lines of 40 laurels, 50 ectos, 250 badges. Kind of like trinkets.
So first you say, you are fine with 200 Laurels per piece and then you want them for 40 laurels?
I think basically he wants it easy, because he he already have a bunch of those saved up.
everyone just want a system that works for them.
laurel=gold, ecto=gold, badges = gold.
You already have everything set up to get your ascended gear. Now just take 30 minutes to level it up. Instead of spending 30 minutes complaining.
I honestly don’t mind more ways to get ascended gear. The only thing I concern I have is really “how much” is a fair price. For example is 200 laurel a fair price or is 40 laurel a fair price. Or how much dungeon token is required etc.
Honestly, I just see Anet use crafting because it’s a way to control the material price. Now for example I say 100 laurel(or some mix of laurel+other item) is a fair price for ascended armor. But that is only because of the current silk price. If silk price drop 100 laurel wont’ be a fair price.
No I’m just asking for a similar system to gearing up PVP wise, like in other MMORPGS. I enjoy fighting and killing other players, I don’t enjoy clicking a “craft” button.
I hate crafting,but i have ascended weapon and ascended armor set.If you want ascended you have to craft,simple as that.(or wait forever for a lucky drop).
Crafting is so easy in this game…i really don’t understand some ppl.
“I hate crafting but i want ascended”….You know what you really want,youw ant to get ascended fast and easy…that’s not gonna happen.
I guess I’ll have to give it a try, but when I I have a look at all the mats in the GW2 Wiki, I’m like “F*** that I have better things to do” It’s just really daunting and overwhelming.
To achieve that it seems like I’m probably going to have to give up my job/social life.
Maybe I’m just being melodramatic…
I really wish that gear was obtainable through what I love doing best, like in other MMORPGs, by killing other players.
I would be willing to concede to buying ascended gear with laurels as long as the overall price was comparable. Currently it is about 100g per piece of ascended armor. Add in the cost of crafting to 500 (another 400g spread over the 6 pieces) and that is 160g per piece.
Currently each laurel is valued around 80s, so as long as the ascended armor costs 200 laurels per piece then that is fine.
I’m sorry but Crafting is just Dirt cheap in this game, and compared to other mmos its the most user friendly and casual experience ever with nothing ever going to waste. I’ve tried and hated crafting in any other game but GW2 actually makes it worth while to spend the 5 mins a day to look up discoveries to make something that was stored and organized for you.
You don’t Need the Asended gear it really makes no difference. 4.91% stats 5% if celestrial.
That’s irrelevant because I DON"T WANT TO CRAFT PERIOD!
I don’t want to spend my whole time clicking a “craft” button. I want to kill stuff!
eek. I can level a craft to 500 in 30 minutes. (and I actually timed it, 1-400 take me 20 minutes) I’m not sure what whole time mean.
A full set of ascended armor cost 189,000 karma, 500 gold, 120 skill point, 50 temple, 75 dungeon, and all you complain is the 30 minutes it take to craft it? You must really like killing things. Or you really hate crafting.
Yes I really hate crafting. Just the thought of going through all that nonsense gives me a head ache. That’s why I don’t play games like Farmville or any other crap game with no action.
I think we should be able to buy Ascended armor and weapons with laurels, the same way we can buy jewelry already. I should not be forced to do PvE to get the best gear in WvW.
It’s very discouraging knowing that I have very little chance of getting best gear in WvW unless I do boring PVE tasks all day. I won’t be sticking around for long if this doesn’t change. As a customer that buys gems for trans crystals, this is not good for business.
to lazy to read all the post i this topic, but they do actualy give u a way to get acc armor/weapons without crafting.
U can get weapon and armor chests from wvw rank chests and from guild mission chests.
Now, if u do not want to wait till u get lucky (i don’t, my luck is -9000) then u should craft, if u got the time and patience then by all means, wait for that lucky drop.
You were too lazy to read a small paragraph, yet you somehow had the motivation to write a paragraph yourself…
0/10 for trolling, didn’t even believe you for a second. Next.
It was suggested in a recent CDI topic that there be other ways to obtain ascended armor and weapon chests via different currencies like karma, laurels, WvW badges, fractal relics etc, but as to if or when something would actually be done about it, well, we all know how past proposed updates have been pushed and pushed out even further, so I’d say give it a year before anything’s done about it >_<
That’s good news. Thanks. Makes me want to hang around. Though they should just stick to Laurels, Badges of Honour and Ectos as I don’t want to be forced into PVE to get Ascended.
After all this is “Guild Wars” not “Sewing Machine Tycoon”
I’m sorry but Crafting is just Dirt cheap in this game, and compared to other mmos its the most user friendly and casual experience ever with nothing ever going to waste. I’ve tried and hated crafting in any other game but GW2 actually makes it worth while to spend the 5 mins a day to look up discoveries to make something that was stored and organized for you.
You don’t Need the Asended gear it really makes no difference. 4.91% stats 5% if celestrial.
That’s irrelevant because I DON"T WANT TO CRAFT PERIOD!
I don’t want to spend my whole time clicking a “craft” button. I want to kill stuff!
You do know that ascended gear only gives 5% better stats, you can get the same effect with food that cost a few copper per 30 minutes
Ascended is a money drain designed to hold a carrot for your nose so you all fall in the trap to drain your money and resources. It is not really BiS gear and anyone who demands you to wear ascended gear outside fractals is an idiot and isnt worth playing with.
If you want to play (high level) fractals then it is good to get ascended gear, but most off the resources will be available to you then anyways.
It’s higher than that. About 1% per piece of Ascended x 6 trinkets x 6 pieces of armor x 1 weapon = 13%
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
Just because you find offhand axe useless, doesn’t mean everyone else does.
I’ve tried all the meta builds ham/bow, dual sword/bow even gs/rifle and none of them worked for me. Probably because I didn’t enjoy the playstyle.
Dual axes works for me because it fits well with my ADHD hack n slash type of playstyle.
If you don’t like it don’t use it. Just don’t try to convince us it’s useless, because it’s not.
I am happy that it works for you, mate. However it is not nearly as useful/efficient as the Mace OH. This is objective.
Nothing wrong to state: “I know it sucks but I like it more than the Mace”.
Defending Axe OH as a valid alternative to Mace OH (or even Shield OH for that matter) is just misleading to new players and a waste of time for experienced players.
IMHO>
This is for PvE.
I’ve been testing this out a lot lately. And whilst I’ll stand by my original statement and say offhand axe is fun and viable, I’ll agree that it is definitely not the most effective offhand weapon. Either sword and mace offhand need a nerf, or offhand axe needs a buff to be on par with the rest.
Though the people that say it’s useless are exaggerating.
@ProxyDamage: Whatevs man in the time it took you to reply (10 hours?), I realized I just don’t care anymore. CBF….
Sorry! I was busying going to sleep, then having breakfast, etc… This is clearly more important.
But it’s nice to see that it took you 18 minutes to come up with a comeback (posted 20 minutes ago – I saw the original too btw and edited 2 minutes ago with the “time it took” jab). You “CBF” so much you spent 18 minutes thinking of a comeback… lol…
Whilst your personal life is very intriguing, please stick the the topic at hand and try to leave personal attacks out of it.
I think sword off hand is better. The sword 4 does a little less damage than the axe 4 and the block every 15sec on sword 5 is also really good.
Also im on my phone so i cbf formatting this priperly but to the poster like 2 above me. Ive found that axe 5 is actually pretty good to get people to use up their dodge or stealth skills so my eviscerate hits. But thats about it.
I think axe offhand needs a revamp.
Wth why only in spvp a5 does 50% more dmg???
Whirling axe has a larger AoE than than auto attack. So if your opponent keeps avoiding auto attack then WA has more chance to hit them, especially if they keep running to your backside. Same when target has stealthed, you have more chance to hit them with WA than AA.
Do you get it now? Or are you still having difficulty understanding?
Replace it with a skill that instantly kills you and doesn’t give the opponent credit. The ultimate revenge.
The only reason I use it is to say “Haha you don’t get to kill me, I kill myself!”
Kind of like telling your boss “You can’t fire me, because I quit!”
They could rename it to “Death before dishonour”
Tool tip could read, “As you fall dying you deny your opponent the satisfaction of defeating you so you land, impaling yourself on your sword” or something along those lines.
Wrong, there are many situations where Axe offhand is useful. When 2-5 players are stacked together, or when a player is low on health and evis is on CD, or if you just want to build up adrenaline for Evis.
Your opinion is invalid.
No. He’s right. Off hand axe is completely useless. In PvP especially. Axes in general are pretty crap in PvP, but at least mainhand axe has damage going for it. Off hand has nothing. Literally nothing.
Warhorn and Shield have defensive skills and utility. Shield has one of the best blocks in the game and a nice stun. Warhorn has condition removal, swiftness, a blast finisher and AoE Vigor and Weakness.
OH Mace has control (AoE knockdown) and damage (vuln stacking and decent damage on skills)
OH Sword has a mixture of some defense (block) and decent offense that mixes conditions and power damage (rip)
OH Axe has…. Nothing. Literally. Nothing. #4 is an incredibly slow melee attack with relatively mediocre damage. The only use of the skill is to get a lot of fury, which is only accomplished by hitting a lot of targets (useless in PvP). In PvE you already have perma fury so it’s trash as well. #5 is supposed to be … Something… An AoE DPS skill I guess, but the damage is miserable. It has no burst (too slow) or sustained DPS (too low DPS in general). Warrior has better AoE options, and even auto-attacks are better damage. So… There’s really no reason to ever use this terrible weapon…
If 2-5 players are crowding around you’re still better off auto-attacking. If a player is low on health you’re better off auto-attacking. You’re always better off auto-attacking because, despite the large number, the actual DPS on #5 is kitten . It’s really bad. It just shows a big number because it’s a very slow channel.
Can’t auto attack when target is dodging like a squirrell on crack, or even stealthed. Whirling axe comes in handy for this.
Dual Axe=Kick. Complet useless offhand, worst warrior offhand in all gamemodes.
In PvP Dualaxe is a Joke in WvsW they are just funny, loot to go.
And in PvE they´re rly rly weak. I don´t want to carry such a bad warrior through any dungeon/fractal.
Wrong, there are many situations where Axe offhand is useful. When 2-5 players are stacked together, or when a player is low on health and evis is on CD, or if you just want to build up adrenaline for Evis.
Your opinion is invalid.
Why would you use evis (other than to finish off a boss) and lose the 15% damage modifier from Berserker’s Power? And if you’re low on health, mace #5’s knockdown interrupting the enemies’ attack will do much more than using a skill that will have lower dps than just auto attacking.
I’m talking about PvP. I don’t PvE so can not comment on it.
Yes. Please nerf Warriors. They are 100% invincible. In WvW 10 of us could not kill 1 warrior, he wipe us all! And don’t bother sayin L2P, we are from Blackgate number 1 server, which means we are skilled pros!
They have 100k hp and 1 shot every one. Please nerf!
Dual Axe=Kick. Complet useless offhand, worst warrior offhand in all gamemodes.
In PvP Dualaxe is a Joke in WvsW they are just funny, loot to go.
And in PvE they´re rly rly weak. I don´t want to carry such a bad warrior through any dungeon/fractal.
Wrong, there are many situations where Axe offhand is useful. When 2-5 players are stacked together, or when a player is low on health and evis is on CD, or if you just want to build up adrenaline for Evis.
