Guild Wars 2

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

sirsquishy.8531:

You know, having a sticky with a bunch of non-explained links is one of the MOST worthless posts a forum admin can do, right?

You should title what each of the links are, and a summary of what they are used for, rather then just a dry list of links that would be meaningless to your average forum visitor.

I’m not sure what you mean. The titles of the threads the hyperlinks link to seem pretty self-explanatory. ‘How to….’ ‘Not whatever…Read this’ ‘Do not do This and Why’ etc.

I’m sure, if you have some suggestions for thread titles, the Team would consider them. =)

Looks like they are working on it :-)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support/FAQ-and-Sticky-Threads/first#post4600765

But that is the thread I am talking about. needs more details about the links in question.

well it does sound like your GPU might be on its way out. But the simplest thing to test out is a complete driver wipe using DDU from safe mode and then installing the latest mobility driver from nvidia.com. If the crashes still happen the way they are now, you probably need to open your laptop up and see if the GPU is embedded on the MB or an addon card (MPCIE). Then start looking around on Ebay for a replacement.

LordKrobe.7416:

And I just got the game, but I have never been able to see the character creation page or anything else. So it never let me into anything of guild wars 2, except the log in screen. Every time it’s the exact same thing.

Couple things;

1. Can you screenshot the window after it crashes, there maybe something there you just cant see.

2. Event View > Windows Events > Application; Do you see any application crashes pertaining to gw2.exe? If so can you copy/paste the content here.

This sounds like a windows crash more then a gw2.exe crash, and it could be lead to be many different things. so we have to start with your windows logs since none are being created from gw2.exe.

Serophous.9085:

Sagramor.7395:

Found a few threads that looks like it may be similar to your situation, but they’re not available due to the forum rejiggering.

Here are cached version.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:F-AUo_lekUcJ:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Constant-Crashing-15+&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XS3p_2gZtpIJ:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Frequent-crashing-1+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

In one case it was a pre-overclocked GPU becoming unstable and causing the video driver to restart and in turn freezeing the game. The second scenario was caused by a turbo boost setting on a CPU causing a similar outcome. Both were solved by scaling back the overclock/boost.

I would first try the most recent drivers again.

ok, i’ll try that first, then those threads. If i still freeze, i’ll post back

My quick suggestions;

1. Download MSI Afterburner and set your Core/Memory to reference specs 980core/1500mem, and see if that helps. This will point to a dying/bad card, or unstable OC.

2. download GPU-Z and enable logging and see if your GPU Drivers are crashing when GW2 freezes, if so then I would highly suggest wiping the drivers with DDU in safe mode and installing a fresh copy of the latest drivers from nvidia.com

3. replace your PSU. If the PSU fails to deliver enough wattage during peak GW2 usage, it could be the cause of your freezes as well.

Glory.1493:

StinVec.3621:

Just as a note in case you or others were not aware, that setting only affects the textures on other player’s characters and NPCs, not the textures on your own character.

Disabling it (or it being forced disabled for some as you are aware) can actually increase your frame rate when around a lot of other players, as well as shorten loading times when loading to an area that has a lot of players (Rata Sum accountancy waypoint, for example).

Basically, if you don’t care if other characters have lower quality textures, it’s better to have it off. But I can see your point of wanting it fixed if you are one that really wants other character’s textures to be of high quality.

yes i just want other ppl looking good too.my pc is capabale of handling high res texture character.i can get 30+fps with all maxed out setting b4 that patch so i dont see why devs forced it disabled on dual core cpu.true that at teq fight or prime time wvw it drops significantly to around 10.but thats not something always happening in tyria and i dont want spend another 1000 dollars for new laptop just because this weird change.anyway good talking to you

I doubt this change will be reverted. the fact remains that a lot of players complain about the performance of GW2 in general, and one of the quick fixes for Anet to deliver is to remove high res models for any CPU that only has 2 cores (that will be ANY laptop model with an i3 and i5, and i7-M/U, any G series CPU and i3 for desktops. That’s like 70% of the player base in all reality).

So if you want the option back, plan on buying an i7 quad core for your laptop (depending on the Model of your Laptop it can be as little as $100~, or as much as $600~)

Healix.5819:

Can it get you banned? Yes. Will it? Probably not.

DPS meters work by reading the client’s memory, which is against the rules and ArenaNet can ban your account for any reason they see fit. However, in a general sense, they don’t care what you do as long as you’re not affecting the game or other players.

This is very gray line. I’ve had talks with Anets devs on this topic over the last couple years. The issue remains that Anet cannot see when you read/inject data into your game client. They can ONLY see data that gets sent to their server that is not supposed to be there.

They ARE working on a way to fix this though, so eventually client side memory hacks (Flight, super Jump, Botting…ect) will be fully detectable. But right now, there is no way for them to know.

So unless you are telling other players about it, nothing will happen to you.

But, it is against the EULA to use any 3rd party app that uses exposed memory registers in the game client. If its not exposed via an API its not supposed to be done.

You know, having a sticky with a bunch of non-explained links is one of the MOST worthless posts a forum admin can do, right?

You should title what each of the links are, and a summary of what they are used for, rather then just a dry list of links that would be meaningless to your average forum visitor.

bluestocking.6148:

I don’t think the question is offensiveness, I think it’s copyright, as Ellieanna says.

Its Offensiveness as it pertains to context, and also copyright. Anet can easily throw Copyright into this since its the name of a brand (a Bands Name is copy righted as a brand, FWIW).

But also, Blood stained Child = Child abuse in my books and I would have reported that name as well. There ARE kids that play this game, I sure as hell don’t want them exposed to context such as that through a characters name.

Orion Templar.4589:

Thanks Abomally. Here are the specs, although I was hoping for a more general test or determination I could run to see where the bottleneck is. I’ve read on the forums in various places that GW2 places more burden on the CPU, so that’s why I was cautious to spend the money on a new video card since that may not be my bottleneck here.

OS: Windows 7 32-bit
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core 5000+
RAM: 3Gb
Video: NVidia GeForce 310
HDD: Western Digital WD74

Build/buy a whole new system. Your entire system is lacking and aged for this game.

I suggest looking at a desktop with a G3220 and either a GTX750 or R7 260x if your on a budget

But your system is not worth upgrading.

edit Just to show you a baseline build you can work with click here – http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sirsquishy/saved/YCLfrH Total: $369.91

It does not include an optical drive nor OS. I am not sure what you have available to you otherwise, but generally I do not buy PCs with either since I use a retail version of windows.

The Image attached uses a G3258 clocked at 4ghz (1ghz faster then a G3220) but the performance will be very similar in wide open areas with the settings in the screen shot. Also, My r7 260x is about the same speed as the suggested GTX750.

Argilla.8340:

sirsquishy.8531:

Argilla.8340:

Hello, I have an 4690k overclock’d to 4,6GHZ, a MSI GTX 970 OC’d aswell and 16GB of RAM.

The problem I’m having is only GW2 related, everything else really works fine

I’m using Windows 8.1 aswell with every update installed, every driver is up to date aswell

So basicly, when I’m idling around HotM or even in low populated area’s, GW2 is using 90% of my CPU, while my friends are reporting 30% with same settings and same location

I’ve tried a fresh installation of Windows today and some other stuff and nothing seems to work, would be happy about some support here

If you open Task Manager and then choose view ‘Logical Cores’ are all of your 4 cores at 90% or just one?

Ideally 1 Core should be at 86%-95% while the rest are 15%-35%.

that is normal for GW2 on a good 4 core CPU.

Core temp reports that all cores are about equally used.

I do believe I asked what task manager reports. Coretemp doesn’t report correctly under windows 8.1 in all cases.

Omega.8260:

New PC built 2 days ago

CPU – i7 4790k 4.0ghz
GPU – R9 295×2 (single card)
MOBO – ASUS Z97 Mark1
RAM – 16gb Corsair Vengeance (2133Mhz)
PSU – Thermaltake SP-1200M
OS – Win 8.1
HD – Kingston Hyper X 250gb SSD

When in game the lighting on my character and some times others flicker like a strobe light. Also getting FPS drop, when i log in its around 175 fps after an hr 6 fps… Not a faulty GPU or CPU because it has no issue with other games and brother also runs the same GPU from a diff manufacturer ( one Visiontek other XFX) and is having the same issue with the lighting. Not sure he is getting the FPS drop but 100% sure he has the strobe issue. This set up should be way more than enough to max out GW2 on max setting with great FPS. Don’t know what the issue is just looking for suggestions because the FPS drop makes the game unplayable

Load up GPU-Z and watch the sensor screen while GW2 is active. What does the Memory and Core Clock do, what about utilization? Are the Temps stable and in a good range?

when the FPS drop happens, switch over the to summary screen, what is the listed Link speed (16x @ 16x version3?)

Argilla.8340:

Hello, I have an 4690k overclock’d to 4,6GHZ, a MSI GTX 970 OC’d aswell and 16GB of RAM.

The problem I’m having is only GW2 related, everything else really works fine

I’m using Windows 8.1 aswell with every update installed, every driver is up to date aswell

So basicly, when I’m idling around HotM or even in low populated area’s, GW2 is using 90% of my CPU, while my friends are reporting 30% with same settings and same location

I’ve tried a fresh installation of Windows today and some other stuff and nothing seems to work, would be happy about some support here

If you open Task Manager and then choose view ‘Logical Cores’ are all of your 4 cores at 90% or just one?

Ideally 1 Core should be at 86%-95% while the rest are 15%-35%.

that is normal for GW2 on a good 4 core CPU.

alphaforce.4853:

I was usually around a constant 20-25 fps but since the last patch, I have dropped quite significantly down to 4-8 fps. The first 15-25 min plays fine with my normal fps, but afterwards starts dropping and becomes unplayable. Lowered the graphics settings to pretty much lowest-low and no difference (as shown by image). At this time, I was at the Silverwastes.
I found the Ram and CPU usage to be normal (cpu: 60-80% and RAM usage just under 2.5gb)
Quit the game but wouldn’t turn off (or at least it was taking forever to close… waited a min until I ended process)

Something is not right.

well, you are using the frame limiter, and you have high res textures enabled. BOTH of those options cause issues with the game.

but, down load GPU-Z and with GW2 running look at the Link speed section of the summary page. You should see 16x @16x v3 or v2, if its 1x you have PCIE link speed issues.

how updated are your Nvidia Drivers? Kinda sounds like the drivers might be at fault there.

its been bug reported, just waiting for anet to fix this issue. Seems they broke something with the selling process.

Ikaros.5730:

Well if it’s practical I wanted one hard drive for the os and all my programs and I wanted the second hard drive as a back up and also a place to store music and pictures. But would it be better to put that on a single hard drive? Also I have no clue what RAID 0 is.

RAID0 is where you take many Drives and span them into one giant drive. the issue with this, if you lose one drive the entire RAID group is done.

Since you were thinking one drive for the OS and one for backup/music, I would suggest a single 240G SSD (840evo or Mx100 or M500), and then a cheaper 2TB HDD for your bigger data. To me that makes the most sense.

Ikaros.5730:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cXcVCJ

How’s does that look to you guys, I’m trying to stay under 1200.

Honestly I would go with this build

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LfXdgs

Shave costs on the Overkill water cooling unit for a Hyper 212 evo, and dropped down a tiny bit on the i5 (3.2ghz base clock, weaker iGPU – Your not going to use the iGPU so it doesn’t matter), and picked a R9 280x instead of the 750.

Also not sure what your purpose on two 120G SSD’s was, but its far cheaper to get a m500 240G SSD then two 120G SSDs.

This is a microATX build im giving my dad for xmas. I just need to pick up the CPU and its complete.

the H97-G432 is a GOOD motherboard for the cost. But you can go cheaper and get something different. But that would be a good place to start looking for features and such.

edit forgot to add the link http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sirsquishy/saved/6tjqqs

i recommend going micro ATX. the cases and motherboards are cheaper then ITX.
Then I would spend the difference on a 760 or R7 270x to get a better video card.

but the rest of the hardware looks pretty good.

Triforcecwp.7659:

sirsquishy.8531:

It’s not actually. Its the way AMD designed their CPUs. Due to their design they run at 50%-65% slower then Intels when it comes down to single threaded tasks, and that is why AMD is not a good fit for GW2. It has nothing to do with ‘lack of optimizations’ which there really aren’t any. It’s really not Anet’s fault that Intel just has a faster IPC per core then AMD does.

The ‘optimization’ issues your talking about drop down to the DX9 render thread. This affects EVERY SYSTEM. The more character models on the screen the slower your system is going to run. Having a faster CPU helps to combat this. That is all.

And as far as ‘many people with far better CPU’s then mine’, You do realize that the i7-4790K is the BEST cpu you can get for the 1150 Socket and uses the same cores on the 6core and 8core socket 2011v3 cpus right? And we all suffer the same issues, just less since our IPC is at the top of the Charts for single threaded performance.

Within his price range your numbers are completely wrong.

No price range was given, so no my numbers are not wrong at all. And I already told him that since he wants to buy a pre-built system there is going to be a premium.

your not being helpful anymore, please stop polluting this thread.

Triforcecwp.7659:

sirsquishy.8531:

Triforcecwp.7659:

Go with Essence Snow.3194s recommendation unless u want to spend the extra money. there is no real configuration that will let u play WvW laglessly.

Alternatively you can use an AMD 8350, it would work well, as well.
The SSD is optional but a great thing to have.

Great suggestions overall.

AMD’s FX line is 50%-65% slower then Intel for GW2 since the IPC on each of AMD’s core is weaker then Intels.

Do NOT buy a FX8350, FX6300, FX4300….ect, as you will NOT get the top performance in WvW/Zerg/Blob content with any of the FX line.

The low performance in WvW and large blobs is a limitation and optimization of the game itsself. Many people with Cpus far better than yours drop significantly in FPS, in wvw.

It’s not actually. Its the way AMD designed their CPUs. Due to their design they run at 50%-65% slower then Intels when it comes down to single threaded tasks, and that is why AMD is not a good fit for GW2. It has nothing to do with ‘lack of optimizations’ which there really aren’t any. It’s really not Anet’s fault that Intel just has a faster IPC per core then AMD does.

The ‘optimization’ issues your talking about drop down to the DX9 render thread. This affects EVERY SYSTEM. The more character models on the screen the slower your system is going to run. Having a faster CPU helps to combat this. That is all.

And as far as ‘many people with far better CPU’s then mine’, You do realize that the i7-4790K is the BEST cpu you can get for the 1150 Socket and uses the same cores on the 6core and 8core socket 2011v3 cpus right? And we all suffer the same issues, just less since our IPC is at the top of the Charts for single threaded performance.

gearlockt.7986:

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Like I said in my original post I have another gpu SAPPHIRE HD 7750 1GB GDDR5 that I have tried and still same issues. My psu is new XFX Pro 650W Core Edition. Everything was running flawlessly before this happened out of the blue. I did remove the drivers and nvidia programs when the gts 250 was still in it and when I restarted it auto updated with a different driver and it began running a little bit better, on lowest settings with not as much artifacts and heat. Right now I’m trying out the other card and still same issues again after trying different things. Now the MOM.exe, CCC.exe and loadMMdriver are coming up to be allowed access and that froze my computer every time it popped up. I just declined it and my comp hasn’t froze yet thankfully. I’m going to do some more searching around for solutions and will report back. Thanks all!!

Since you are swapping from Nvidia to AMD you need to wipe your drivers out BEFORE installing new ones.

Google for DDU and run it from Safe mode, and uninstall both your Nvidia and AMD drivers. then Reboot into normal mode, then Install the appropriate drivers.

when you switch between AMD/Nvidia you need to do this each time.

Since you won’t build it you are going to be paying a premium;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100019096%20600494689%20600494693%20600439567%20600488245%20600490266%20600453348%20600015149&IsNodeId=1&name=8GB%20DDR3

(Organize by Lowest price)

that search list should be a good start for a desktop that can play GW2 at decent settings. Low being 699.99.

oRx.9584:

Great posts guys, thanks alot for the information!

I was looking at this computer earlier today, and wonder what you guys think about it; will it be able to run GW2 smoothly, without the need to run on like minimum settings lol;

Processor: intel core i5-4440
RAM capacity: 8GB (1×8GB)
Graphics card: Nvidia geforce gt730
Graphics card capacity (idk what this is): 1024 MB

So my question is, would this be a decent computer to play GW2 on? Also, if not, which of the components need improving?

I would build my system, not buy a packaged deal. the i5-4440 is the best part of that system. The weakest is the GT730 (sad poor excuse for a GPU if you ask me).

Well the fact you have 2048MB of ram might have something to do with this now.
You are swapping 12% of your ram to your HDD. And when your system started to BSOD it probably started to damage some of your system files during the crashes due to the swapping.

The first thing you need to do is grab the latest Nvidia drivers for Windows XP. Uninstall the current Nvidia drivers using DDU (google for it) from safe mode. After your Nivida drivers are installed, if you still BSOD/Hard lock then you need to run SFC /Scannow from Command prompt. You might need to reinstall the Nvidia drivers again after SFC completes (this is a system file checker that will restore damaged system files. It can damage AMD/Nvidia GPU Drivers in the process since they are not part of the native windows install)

If that does not fix it, then you are looking at a reinstall of windows.

gearlockt.7986:

Hi all and thanks for the assistance. Everything was running stable until suddenly I started seeing artifacts and a black flickering screen then freezing and crash. The only thing that happened beforehand was I installed itunes and the next time I turned on my comp windows wouldn’t load properly. Eventually windows did load and would start normally after that but when I try to play any game I get high temps now with crash. I can run GW2 on the lowest settings and still play for a little while but eventually it crashes and the display driver and/or the comp needs to be rebooted. All fans seems to be working properly. I took apart my main card and got rid of all the dust and reapplied the thermal paste to no avail. I tried different slots for my graphics card and even switched my graphics card with my old one and they both overheat. I reinstalled windows as well and loaded all the drivers and still no luck. Here is a screenshot of my temps during playing and the two at the bottom left are just running idle.

Processor: AMD FX 8320 Eight Core 3.50 ghz
Video card: Nvidia GeForce GTS 250
Ram: 16gb
windows 7 64bit

Hate to say it, but you are not overheating. Your temps in the screenshots are with in normal specs.

Artifacts are usually signs of a bad/dying GPU. Occasionally its a sign that your PSU is dying too.

The first thing you can do is pop your GPU into another system and see if the artifacts follow, if they do then you know its the GPU. If they don’t then its probably your PSU not delivering enough wattage to your GPU.

bktdm.9615:

Kernel_data_inpage_error 0×000007A every 5~10 mins, i cant play this game anymore wich is weird since i played all day long when i bought it a few months ago; the error started randomly and i got sick and uninstalled, decided to give it a try this week and no luck.

This game is the ONLY one who crashes my computer, havent had a crash in months after i stopped playing it, been playing wow, lol, phantasy star 2, diablo 3, skyrim, and many others online and offline games with no problem at all its only gw2 which crashes my pc.

Playing on laptop, quad core processor amd phenom 2, 4gb ram, already checked hdd no problems; and like i said any other game runs for hours no problem.

Kinda dissapointed i always wanted to play this game and results it screws my pc, any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.

You do not tell us what windows version is installed. If you are running 32bit windows that could be most of the issue right there, where as with 64bit all of your 4GB of ram will be available and it could be other issues.

Its true that the HDD can cause these issues, but so can bad ram in general. Also, Phenom II’s in laptops are notorious for running hot, have you verified that the CPU just isn’t getting too hot and your laptop throwing errors due to that?

If your laptop is an HP, you could have the BGA north bridge issue going on (or starting to happen), which requires a new motherboard 30% of the time.

I’d drop the GTX760 for something newer though (970 for example) as the price is up there for what that card is capable of (I saw a few GTX760’s for 139 this morning….).

But other then that, solid build.

Triforcecwp.7659:

Go with Essence Snow.3194s recommendation unless u want to spend the extra money. there is no real configuration that will let u play WvW laglessly.

Alternatively you can use an AMD 8350, it would work well, as well.
The SSD is optional but a great thing to have.

Great suggestions overall.

AMD’s FX line is 50%-65% slower then Intel for GW2 since the IPC on each of AMD’s core is weaker then Intels.

Do NOT buy a FX8350, FX6300, FX4300….ect, as you will NOT get the top performance in WvW/Zerg/Blob content with any of the FX line.

Essence Snow.3194:

Basically you cannot expect to play wvw laglessly (is that a word?). It will not make a difference whether you have a 5k dollar machine or a 800 dollar machine, both will have lag.

That said it doesn’t really take much to run GW2 at it’s best potential.

For that (and others can correct me here) we are shooting for:

@1080
i5-3570k or better
8gb 1600 RAM or better
750 ti or r9 270 or better
ssd for load times
psu based on cpu/gpu choices
aftermarket cpu cooler……cm 212+ or better (purely a recommendation)
mobo to match cpu/gpu choices….no need to go overboard
case to match preferences

Basically all this.

Your absolute best bet is to get a current gen i7 (4790K) and Bin(Buy more CPUs and return the ones that do not meet your needs) until you get a chip that can OC to 5Ghz at 1.4v or less(1.38v is deal). Then buy the best water cooling loop you can find (450~ for a high end custom) and run your CPU at 5Ghz 24×7.

That is the only way to get better FPS in Zerg/Blob Content. And you will see better low end performance out of a i7 then i5 due to Hyper-threading.

Then you need a GTX770 or higher to NOT bottle neck your 5Ghz CPU. GTX770, GTX780, GTX970, R9 280x, R9 290 are your logical options. Ideally you want to use PCIE version 3 GPUs, and not PCIE Version 2. as the additional PCIE Link speeds on Version 3 also helps with the low end side of the FPS you will see in Zergs/Blobs.

Aside from that, youll want an SSD (MX100 or 840Evo ideally), CL9 1600mhz or better Paired Ram (you WANT dual channel) to help with the caching that GW2.exe does when it hits 2GB+ of used RAM.

and so on, so on…ect

That laptop is subpar for the cost, not only will it not play GW2 adequate enough it comes with a 1366×768 resolution LCD.

‘With 1366 × 768 resolution provides images in crisp, stunning detail and makes it simple to accurately navigate features.’

I would not buy that laptop.

You want something with 1080p, esp since its for school.

Youll also want an i3 or i5 with a Nvidia GTX750m GTX760m, or GTX860m.

Stay away from AMD’s APU’s. Not only are they not that great on compute power, they also are bad at power consumption (Battery life).

I suggest CoreTemp and Prime95 for testing Overclocks.

CoreTemp will show you each Cores % utilization, VID (Compare against CPU-Z), and each cores Temps.

Where Prime95 has 2 tests, Blend(over all system) and small FFT. The FFT is more for your CPU’s Temp as it hits the GPU engine in your CPU for testing, as where Blend is what you would traditionally use for an over all OC stress test for stability.

Intel’s burn in is good for a ‘last ditch’ effort, as it doesn’t tell you what you need to know.

Also your CPU is hitting 80c’s, which is ‘fine’ as the tj max is 100C on these CPUs (when you throttle)

Hitting 4.7GHz on a 4790k at 1.19v might be part of your issue.

The average for the 4790k’s is 4.6ghz at 1.25v, and going to 4.7ghz usually requires 1.288v(IIRC). So its very possible you do not have a stable enough OC on that CPU.

My 4790K hits 5ghz at 1.4v(83c), 4.9ghz at 1.38v(78c), and 4.8ghz at 1.35v(75c), and 4.6ghz at 1.25v(66c). Use that as a comparison when you are OCing that chip.

Also, you need to run programs like Prime95 for 2-3 hours before you can call your system stable. A 30min burn in test does not yield a stable OC.

i5-4690(or K) -the higher the clock the faster GW2 will run, K’s can OC to 4.6ghz pretty well
Z97 MSI OR ASuS motherboard
8gb 2×4, ddr3 system ram 1600mhz CL9
AMD 280x, hd7970, or Nvidia GTX 770
240G MX100 or 840Evo SSD

This is what’s required to play GW2 with blobs of players at 1080p resolutions on medium settings, and maintain 30-34FPS on AVERAGE.

Amicable Pugs.4503:

Well since I have no clue what those IPs are I tried to ask few friends to do the same when I’m lagging.
All of them have 1 or 2 unknown IPs after router IP and they don’t lag.
I’m the only one connected to my router too, 2nd PC is offline.
I really don’t know what those IPs are and they don’t show anything when I try to look them up either.
EDIT: I looked up a bit more and EVERY person from my ISP has those 2 IPs, numbers vary a bit at the end but it’s definitely from my ISP.

so your saying that others that use the same ISP as you hit the 10.0.0.x and 10.3.1.xx before hitting the internet?

if so, your ISP is not following IANA based configurations, as 10.×.×.x, 172.16.×.x, 192.168.×.x are NOT routable ip addresses in the internet. they are reserved for private network use and you should not be seeing them in your trace routes unless they are routers you setup.

so your ISP is not following the rules in leasing IP’s to its customers and is probably over selling their uplink pipe and that could be the entire issue here.

Here is one of my Traces that goes through my VPN;

Tracing route to b.resolvers.Level3.net [4.2.2.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 143 ms 180 ms 174 ms 172.16.1.250
2 94 ms 87 ms 72 ms 172.16.1.254
3 91 ms 92 ms 90 ms 10.128.216.1
4 82 ms 78 ms 76 ms 172.21.3.36
5 77 ms 80 ms 80 ms 70.169.75.248
6 183 ms 104 ms 99 ms chnddsrj01-ae2.0.rd.ph.cox.net [70.169.76.229]
7 123 ms 107 ms 114 ms ae56.bar1.Phoenix1.Level3.net [4.31.188.61]
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * 88 ms * ae-4-90.edge5.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.69.144.2
03]
10 118 ms 143 ms 122 ms b.resolvers.Level3.net [4.2.2.2]

and here is a trace that does not go through my VPN;

Tracing route to b.resolvers.Level3.net [4.2.2.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 13 ms 7 ms modem.Home [192.168.0.1]
2 36 ms 81 ms 49 ms phnx-dsl-gw71.phnx.qwest.net [67.40.227.71]
3 30 ms 30 ms 27 ms phnx-agw1.inet.qwest.net [75.160.238.49]
4 40 ms 41 ms 43 ms los-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net [67.14.102.30]
5 59 ms 48 ms 40 ms 63.146.27.34
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * 66 ms 55 ms b.resolvers.Level3.net [4.2.2.2]

Trace complete.

Im sure you can see the difference, the VPN route goes through 3 non routable IP’s that I control, then hit the Internet (My Cable Modem), Where my NON-VPN trace goes straight from a non-routable IP and then hits the internet (As it should).

You should talk to your ISP and find out what the hell they are doing there.

Amicable Pugs.4503:

And when I’m lagging:

Tracing route to 206-127-159-198.ncsoft.com [206.127.159.198]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
3 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 10.30.1.97
4 3 ms 4 ms 2 ms cr00.bucuresti.rdsnet.ro [213.154.101.176]
5 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms br01.bucuresti.rdsnet.ro [213.154.124.7]
6 36 ms 36 ms 36 ms 83.217.231.5
7 44 ms 37 ms 45 ms ae-9.r02.frnkge04.de.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.2
34]
8 35 ms 35 ms 43 ms ae7.fra61.ip4.gtt.net [77.67.82.9]
9 32 ms 30 ms 41 ms cdnetworks-gw.ip4.gtt.net [77.67.71.122]
10 30 ms 42 ms 42 ms 206-127-157-94.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.94]
11 34 ms 45 ms 45 ms 206-127-157-102.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.102]
12 30 ms 30 ms 40 ms 206-127-159-198.ncsoft.com [206.127.159.198]

Trace complete.

Your at home, so this is going to be a problem

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
3 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 10.30.1.97

You need to find out what is going on there. You should only be on ONE of those IP’s before hitting your Internet. That tells me you have 3+ routers at home before you even hit the internet, and if someone is doing something (say downloading torrents) its going to affect your GW2 experience.

Also, open SSIDs (wireless) will let random ppl on the network and then they can do anything they want as well.

That is where I would start to look for the issue.

The rest of your trace still looks clean.

sure, but the HD4400 has limits. and you might want to look at buying a GTX750 for your desktop. If you are on a laptop, then it is what it is.

Amicable Pugs.4503:

From what I read on other forum threads u seem to be someone who’s actually into network stuff and suggested people to do that tracert thing.
I did mine when gw doesn’t lag.

Tracing route to 206-127-146-122.ncsoft.com [206.127.146.122]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms router.edimax.com [192.168.2.1]
2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
3 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 10.30.1.97
4 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms cr01.bucuresti.rdsnet.ro [213.154.128.72]
5 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms br01.bucuresti.rdsnet.ro [213.154.124.94]
6 36 ms 36 ms 36 ms 83.217.231.5
7 33 ms 35 ms 45 ms ae-9.r02.frnkge04.de.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.2
34]
8 37 ms 43 ms 42 ms ae7.fra61.ip4.gtt.net [77.67.82.9]
9 30 ms 42 ms 30 ms cdnetworks-gw.ip4.gtt.net [77.67.71.122]
10 41 ms 42 ms 30 ms 206-127-157-94.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.94]
11 37 ms 49 ms 40 ms 206-127-157-102.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.102]
12 42 ms 41 ms 42 ms 206-127-146-122.ncsoft.com [206.127.146.122]

Trace complete.

So anything special in that? I will try to do 1 too when I start lagging again.

are ya on a school campus or in a dorm or something? You go from 192.168.2.xx to 10.0.0.xx to 10.30.1.xx before ever hitting the actual internet. There might be an issue there that causes your lag issues.

But that trace is clean right now. No high latency from after you hit the real ISP through to the end where NC Servers are. But that 192.168 to 10.0 to 10.30 is NOT normal for a home user, if you are at home and unware of your setup that screams ISP Scam….

also the first few hops that are 1ms that then jump to 34ms tells me you are on a low latency fiber connection and the handoff then goes through a copper transport. Which again is normal.

Amicable Pugs.4503:

I’ve had same ISP for 8 years and no EU server in any mmo ever lagged for me.
I do know some ISP’s throttle connections but that’s mostly in US afaik. I’m from Romania.
If they did throttle I wouldnt be able to download with 10 mbps on torrents then would I?
Not to mention that a lot more people have same issue lately when they never did, Friends and forum posts for example. So doubt their ISP is throttling them too.

Throttling is all about traffic classification. The TCP/UDP Header data is what enables ISP’s to throttle different types of traffic. It is possible they are miss flaggin GW2 as something else in their network.

Beldin.5498:

If your 32-Bit Win7 is from Microsoft, and not an OEM Version, you can install the
64-Bit version with the same key.

Even if its OEM, the Windows 7 Key is 32bit and 64bit. he only needs to download the correct ISO to install and use the existing key.

No need to buy the OS again.

abomally.2694:

“…noone here is actually interested in a answer from anyone else but someone from a-net. The rest of you are only guessing…”

No we aren’t. Some of us here are electronics/computer techs (me). If I remember correctly, Sirsquishy is an IT network engineer. Of course, a lot of you simply refuse to provide helpful information (such as a Tracert) or take any troubleshooting steps to locate the problem.

If you understood how the internet actually works; the first thing you would do is run a Tracert and look at the log. It will show you where packets are getting dropped, as well as ping times for the different nodes in the path.

A-net constantly monitors the game servers (and a whole lot of other things). They will be the first to know if a server has a problem. They can’t resolve issues with the path packets take to the servers.

Actually a SR. Network Systems Engineer, CCIE-ER, CCIE-VoIP, JNCIE-ER, JNCIA-IDP VCDX, CISSP, MCSE….ect List goes on…

But no, we don’t know what we are talking about, do we :-)

Leaa.2943:

In the end the game will dc and tell me i have router problem, which i don’t, nor do i have problems with my firewall or anything else. And if anything is clogging up anything, then how come i can play other games without this issue, online game with just as high performance needs, if not more then gw2.

How come netflix; that i don’t have by the way nor does anyone else here, but anyway, how come they are only clogging up gw2 and started to do so after the last patch? It is not that Netflix was invented the 18 of october, it was there long before.

Nothing of this is holding up, and there is hundreds and hundreds of players if not thousens that have the same issue, and from countries that do not even have access to netflix, and yet they still lag.

So please don’t clogg up the threads with suggestions, noone here is actually interested in a answer from anyone else but someone from a-net. The rest of you are only guessing, and it is nice of you to guess and come up with ideas and would have been appreciated if this was just a small problem for a handful of people, but you have no answers to this, a-net do. So please let them answer.

Let me address some of the issues you are talking about, surrounding Netflix and what not, and why they can affect games like GW2.

The internet consist of many Network pipes that inter-connect many ISP’s together. This is called the Transport. This transport is what MAKES the internet work. There are many transports, also called Paths, which route to and from ISPs in varying ways (Using Routing Protocols such as BGP and OSPF). When one transport gets hit hard, ISPs can path to a different transport based on TTL (Time to Live) configurations. However, many ISPs only have one Path/Transport connected to different parts of the world.

So going back to Netflix, they are 45% of the total BW across the internet right now. And with 1080P and 3d streaming unlocked (there was transport limitations that were lifted about 6 months ago) its only going to get worse. With The FCC putting their hands in their own pockets (Remember the Hi Lane/Low Lane stuff FCC wanted to push due to Comcast and some ‘others’ ?) ISPs/Transports have refused to upgrade their infrastructure to accommodate the BW that Netflix pushes. And they want Netflix to pay for these upgrades since its their BW causing 45% of the issues.

And that is the root cause of issues that result in issues surrounding Netflix right now. And out of all of them ATT and Level3 are the WORST. They over subscribe and refuse to upgrade their endpoints, causing congestion in and out of their own transport hubs.

Now, Netflix hosts their media on a service called Akamai. This is a cloud distribution service that has 100,000’s of 1,000’s of servers across the glob. and when you are streaming you are not pulling from a single server, you are pulling from many to meet the required BW for the bit rate quality of the show you are watching, this is called Load Balancing. This is another HUGE part of the issue that surrounds Netflix. It’s not like the data you pull while watching shows via streaming comes from one source through one ISP its coming from 2-3, up to 7 if your streaming in 3d.

Now on to the issues that affect GW2. This is mostly going to be transport related. The interconnect between your ISP and Anets ISP and it’s usually Level3. The only way to ID the issue is to get an /ip from ingame, and do a tracert to that IP address from windows command prompt. Both when your lagging and when your not. Then compare the 2. Additionally, you should run a ping [ip] -t for about 5 mins to each hop in the bad tracert for average ICMP response. Only that data will tell ANYONE what is going on. And yes, 99% of the time its going to point back to your ISP’s handoff going to NC’s servers. the other 1% of the time its going to be your ISP/router/PC directly, and all of this is reflected in your tracert information.

When the issue is on Anets end its going to affect more then 5% of the player population and these forums are going to explode with reports on it. And today, that is not the case.

And, A-net rarely visits the tech support forum. And their tech support personnel are not really ‘tech savvy’ when it comes down to network related issues. They do try, but honestly when the issue is out of their hands what do you expect them to do really? They cannot open Transport Tickets for you and your ISP. That’s something that you have to do.

Caerbannog.7138:

When I finally do connect and I’m not given a bullkitten message about my router or firewall the game will soon become unplayable due to not only skill delay, but absolutely no skills at all – I’ll press ALL the buttons and they’ll just blink until I restart the game.

Pre-emptive kitten off to abomally and their useless advice

Its not useless, if you want the forum to help you you must help the forum. And to do that we need a tracert from the /ip given in game, AT THE VERY LEAST.

If you cannot do that much, then online games are not for you.

Well the next thing to check is your PCIE link speeds while GW2 is running. 16x or 8x version 2 is what you want.

Goshkee.7495:

Thank you guys for the thorough explanation. I understand that latency issues are hard to solve, and believe me I’m not trying to judge or put blame on anyone.

However this does not answer the question, why are there so many people with the exact same issue after the newest patch?

If you take a look at the tech support site, you will see that most of the topics relate to the same thing. Given that I had no problems with the game before the patch (like the majority of players), it’s just hard for me to imagine that it’s a problem on my side.

And since everything else is runnig smoothly, I haven’t got the slitest idea on how to resolve it…

first step is to isolate the issue down. The way to do that has been outlined here a lot. /ip in game, then tracert to that IP from windows. Then post the results. That’s the FIRST STEP.

Frazerhill.5246:

I am using between 5gb-6gb ram for gw2 even in less populated areas. Although my gameplay is generally unaffected, the fact that so much of my ram is being used is worrying. I have read that most people only use up to 4gb of ram to play gw2. Should I reinstall my game or is there away to reduce the ram usage?

That is not possible. GW2 is a 32bit application, and can only see a max of 4GB of ram. With system overhead and what not the reality is GW2 can only run in 3.25GB of ram.

So if GW2 is pulling 5GB-6GB of ram you might have a infection that is launching when you run applications (Not related to GW2 in particular, just in general) You might wanna scan your system for infections, verify with Resource monitor that GW2.exe is actually using as much ram as you are saying…ect.

you GPU does not max out, its at 45%-55% for the log you supplied.

Kinda sounds like the CPU is throttling. Make sure your CPU’s temps are not hitting 100c+, if they are it will be throttled. Ideally, you want your CPU under 80C’s.

Goshkee.7495:

Feirlista Xv.1425:

I just popped into another famos on line game’s tech support forum that has a monthly sub and WoW every other post is lag and latency issues, so it’s just not GuidWars it all online gaming.

This is not another “my ping so low, QQ, ANet WTF, gimme my dollars back” situation. There are in fact a lot of people having serious lag spikes problems since the latest November’s patch.

I’ve been ingame since day one (with a few breaks) and never had any bigger issues than an occassional DC or a minor lag. But right after I had the patch installed, everything went to hell. Usually in the afternoon the launcher takes ages to log in, I get stuck on map loading screens, get massive freezes and sometimes DCs in the end.

I get that nothing’s perfect, but there are plenty o people having the exact same issue. I don’t think this is any kind of MMO-hysteria.

I’m far from calling ANet names, like other guys, but I think that we would all appreciate some feedback from the developer’s side.

You dont understand how the internet works, calling out the Anet devs for a ‘response’ to the lag is not going to help.

When you are lagging, type \ip and hit enter in game, then take that IP address and open command prompt in windows and type tracert ip-address and hit enter.

and watch your ms response times. anything 30-70ms is normal, 90+ is usually an issue, spikes between nodes usually shows a uplink issue. Thats how you troubleshoot this issue.

dodgycookies.4562:

a gtx 970 is an excellent value and will probably last until your next rebuild with skylake (or cannonlake).

While a GTX970 is an excellent investment, the OP’s system is 2 generations behind already. And he is running a 2600K at stock clock speeds. He would be far better off buying a 280x or 770 and investing the difference in buying a cooler to OC his 2600K to 4.6ghz.

Right now you can get a GTX770 or R9 280x for about 139-179 used on amazon with the amazon buyers warranty of 90days. If you happen to get a bad GPU you will know with in a few hours to a couple days of playing GW2 while doing world bosses. And the Amazon RMA program is not all that painless, IMHO.

He can then invest in a Hyper 212Evo or something higher end like a Noctura DH-15 or Prolimatech GNSS (what I use) + Required CPU fans. In all that would put him at the cost of a single GTX970 going the OC+GPU replacement via my advice.

If the OP has no intentions on OCing then a GTX970 makes more sense for the gen 6 CPUs when they become available (by then his 2600K will be 45-55% behind the latest Intel i7’s IPC), as that is when I would expect the OP to ‘need’ to upgrade his CPU. I just dont see any good in upgrading to Haswell(even E) since Sandy is only 25%~ behind in IPC.

If you can spot about 200~, then I Suggest either a GTX770 or R9 280x, and I say second Hand cause you can find them for under 200 often with a decent warranty from amazon.

Youll need to make sure your PSU has enough wattage though. And I would still invest in over clocking your 2700K to 4.6ghz-5.0ghz (depending on what your CPU is capable of, again lots of research needs to be done)

GTX 770

http://www.hwcompare.com/14654/geforce-gtx-550-ti-vs-geforce-gtx-770/

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_n_0?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A541966%2Ck%3Agtx770&keywords=gtx770&ie=UTF8&qid=1416586512&rnid=2941120011

R9 280x

http://www.hwcompare.com/15872/geforce-gtx-550-ti-vs-radeon-r9-280x/

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dcomputers&field-keywords=280x&rh=n%3A541966%2Ck%3A280x

switching servers doesn’t work anymore due to how the mega server works. Lag is going to be a transport issue between you and Anet, and not at Anets end.

Issue /ip in the game client when you are lagging, then open command prompt in windows and issue tracert ip-address(the one from /ip), and where you see high ms response time is where the lag is probably starting. bet its at your ISP or their handoff to the transport on your way to ncsofts servers.