Guild Wars 2

You wanna know how to deal with stealth? Fight the Mossman in the fractal. I know this is a WvW thread but he is good at pulling off thief tactics.

Chef.7840:

To be honest, I find this whole debate if you have it, ridiculous. I have been playing Mesmer for quite some time in paid tournaments , and i know how to kill a Mesmer because of this. No, not bad Mesmers, but good ones. Obviously it goes without saying that you need to target the Mesmer, but this isn’t always necessary, identifying the real Mesmer on the fly is rather easily done, just click him. AOE is your best friend, condition’s even more so. Mesmers have rather poor condition removal, exhausting this will get you the win. Identifying the Mesmer’s build is very important, if clones are traited to apply conditions don’t kill them, or be smart about it. When Mesmers trait to shatter like 90% do, kill their illusions with AOE, and exhaust their condition removal, break stealth with AOE or attack the air with a melee weapon. In the end I completely agree with the OP. You need to build your experience, if you think just running a certain rune, amulet and traits will get you the results you desire, you are sadly mistaken.

This is very true. Specific equipment pieces aren’t what determines killing mesmers. Battlefield awareness. Knowing your build and the LIMITATIONS of that build and knowing alternative builds and finding out if you have the right playstyle to work with that build are important not only in beating mesmers but in beating all classes that people have issues with.

No don’t nerf engi condi removal because that is one thing that helps make engis good. Yes you deal with conditions better than mesmers but that is a weak point of a Mesmer that people just for some reason REFUSE to exploit.

hooma.9642:

jportell.2197:

Illusionary leap not a stun breaker. Swap is even tho it doesn’t say it. Phase retreat is not astun breaker just instant cast move. Had this conversation with someone before trying to say we should have it increased insanely high to mactch skull crack for instance which he said was on a 25 second cooldown I found out it was only on a 10 sec CD which is right close to PR and IL. And ileap has obvious animation that frustrates mesmers beyond belief and.is easily avoidable

u wanna say what? or just proving how op some weapon skills are? all instant casts are usable during stun so in terms of avoiding dmg it is countable a stun break.

Blakey.5670:

Again, L2P comments from “elite players”.

For the only class to having working,worth-while pets (illusions), they get a metric-kitten-ton of invunrability ability,stun breaks,teleports and invisability – coupled with awesome damage.

I dare anyone here to run a fraps on how to “properly kill a mesmer” with anything but the other 2 problematic classes right now – thief and elementist.

Go ahead, TEACH US HOW TO PLAY. trolls.

would like to see some vids 2

Trap rangers/100nades engi’s. I tell ALL of you right now that are too caught up to try and learn unless the mesmer is running a full tank support retal build they are gonna die so fast to condi’s that you will laugh. But hey don’t take my advice for it… Go fight a mesmer and don’t use anything but condition skills on them. See how often they get removed

Same thing about the mesmer builds that everyone gripes and moans about. The shatter heavy builds usually run blink decoy mirror images with a 20/20/0/0/30 build. This build can be destroyed by AOE conditions soooo for instance a grenade engineer. A trap ranger, d/d ele, well necro. These builds will destroy the typical shatter heavy mesmer. So maybe it isn’t the glaring weakness in mesmer class but it is the glaring weakness in this build which is the most griped about build mesmers have. So it is a word of ADVICE from the mesmer community to keep from suffering more nerfs that we generally don’t run with condition removal. And as stated before PD doesn’t remove (provided the mesmer and the enemy are with in required range) all condis at once and null field only does one removal per pulse. This is blatantly weaker than say engineers elixir C which only takes one utility slot and removes all conditions and is on a shorter cooldown than null field or arcane thievery (longer than PD but few mesmers will agree with you on the efficacy of PD) and longer than mantra of resolve which can cure a total 4 conditions then is put on a 20 second cooldown with a nearly 4 second cast time. So yes I don’t care how you try to put it when it comes to condition removal mesmers are generally weaker than other classes and shatter mesmers are weakest of all because that is a consequence of their build. A thieves death blossom with the insane amount of bleeds or an earth attuned ele will eat a shatter mesmer alive if they try and don’t just freak OMG THEIRS SO MANY OF THEM!

Illusionary leap not a stun breaker. Swap is even tho it doesn’t say it. Phase retreat is not astun breaker just instant cast move. Had this conversation with someone before trying to say we should have it increased insanely high to mactch skull crack for instance which he said was on a 25 second cooldown I found out it was only on a 10 sec CD which is right close to PR and IL. And ileap has obvious animation that frustrates mesmers beyond belief and.is easily avoidable

Conditions do chew through mesmers unless we equip for NOTHING ELSE. If we have phantasmal disenchanter arcane thievery and null field equipped that means we have3 slots dedicateddedicated only to removing conditions phantasmal disenchanter doesn’t cure all conditions per attack. Arcane thievery only does 3 conditions and null field is one condition per pulse. Engis have elixir C which turns all condis too boons guardians can take all allies conditions and then turn them into boons. Arcane thievery USED to steal all boons and transfer all conditions but that was considered OP and got nerfed (shocker). So mesmers have to use ALL utility slots to even match the Condi removal that other classes get with just one slot. Or like rangers where the pet takes a condition from their master every 10 seconds. So yeah compared to MOST classes our Condi removal is a joke.

Agreed a 20% nerf would be ridiculous people seem to forget that mindwrack scales with power stats from runes and amulets. Also there’s a combo to shatter builds. Most won’t open with mindwrack they open with diversion to cause max vulnerability which stacks intensity and then do a mindwrack. Also if mindwrack does that much damage are you running GC? If so then don’t be surprised with mindwrack damage. I run a tank mesmer that benefits from full uptime on retaliation and regen. So a MW can kill the person casting it. So their are other things to consider besides mindwracks base damage which is currently a joke and needs major traits AMD crit bonuses to even be somewhat good

Thank you for this post. And to be honest. If.they nerf mindwrack all mesmers will turn into bunker type builds that out bunker guardians and eles. I already do it and its quite funny when a BS thief doesnt insta down this build. But I am thankful for this post and hope those who hate mesmers learn something from it.

Yeah seriously being a Mesmer you can out tank a guardian and a d/d ele at lvl 80. Its great.

Great for that.

This is definitely more reliable than the shatter cat power omgered your insta dead from my burst build I have adjusted it recently from 20 in toughness to 20 in precision. Downside is I don’t get as much armor. Upside is I have more clone sources and still get a high Retal/regen uptime and also two sources of vigor with the 10 minor in dueling and 10 major in inspiration… It is quite great.

No. And before you start with the cheap shots (I know you are good at them). Understand that a warrior archetype class never appealed to me in any game I have played. So I am not going to drop a class I enjoy to start playing one to prove a point to some online tough guy. Also I’ll have you know that my second favorite class after Mesmer is Engi. I find both classes a unique and challenging play experience. And I have degraded my comments to the one above because when I try to give constructive advice or advice from fighting a certain class as a Mesmer or giving people advice on how to fight mesmers it is met with nothing but back lash from people such as yourself. I don’t PvP much and the main reason I post here is because Anet obviously listens to the person that whines the most so I am trying to do something for my class that seems to be the flavor of the month for qq’s every month. It’s just ridiculous. And to the OP with the whole targeting nightmare. Okay you have to press tab more than once. Fighting other players is easier if you have a cool mind and maintain battlefield awareness. I find fighting engi’s to be chaotic… Not annoying but chaotic to be sure especially because you never really know what they are going to throw at you next. But honestly I just want to play the game and have fun. You guys have fun qqing about the next flavor of the month OP class. I hear kittening about d/d ele’s is in. have fun with that!

@Op As far as summoning zerkers on to people on top of towers. you have no clue how often I get “Obstructed!” Please do not tell me we don’t need LoS to summon illusions because they changed it not only to where you need LoS but you also get obstructed at some of the most obscenely unobstructed things. Its quite sad.

I play Mesmer. I can build polar opposite ends of spectrum. I can go full GC and burn down a lot of people insanely fast. Or I can go bunker and let the poor souls burn themselves down. That being said. Thieves are meant to prey on players that are low on health. Its the point of an assassin class. If you are in a straight 1v1 against a thief yeah you will prolly win because you know they are coming. If they get the drop on you? Guess what? 100b warrior prolly would have as well. I’m not defending thieves in any way I think it is a low skill cap class (yes I have one and I am bored with it) but certain things you should expect to happen.
1. If you are GC expect to go down super quick that’s the trade off
2. If you are bunker watch your Cd’s and make sure some form of protection up. Also bunkers can most likely burn thieves down just as fast as another GC class that’s the trade off of being a GC.

Now when I run a full tank Mesmer build with 27k HP and almost 3k armor thieves freak when they BS me and “OMG he isn’t at 1/4 so I can HS HS kill.” If they drop me when I am a GC well I had it coming.

Nope because then you will be accused as just another lazy Mesmer that can’t play a class that takes “skill” and you are just going to be so spoiled by this low skill cap class. yeah lets all run thieves that’s a lot of skill! Or lets run warriors with our GS SOOOO MUCH skill.

Schnitter.9857:

jportell.2197:

Which is the POINT of fighting mesmers! They aren’t supposed to be easy they are supposed to confuse you and distract you. Fighting d/d ele’s is REALLY annoying for me! But do I completely give up and say OH NERF NERF NERF! This isn’t fair because it “annoyed me” NO! I figure out how they rotate their attunement swaps. I learned that their earth attacks cause ALOT of bleeding. I know the best time to burst into them is right AFTER they switch from water. Fighting Necro’s is SUPER annoying for me because they can slap conditions on faster than I can rip them off. It may not be an L2P issue in your eyes in which case it is something else entirely which is learn how to take when you lose and try to figure out what you can do differently.

Ok, so lets put this way:
- Mesmers are fine and ppl who have difficult with him are playing wrong and have to l2p
- Ppl dont have problem with an specific mesmer, but with mesmers generally
So its easier believe that all the ppl who fight mesmers are bad than the prof have something wrong and the majority of mesmers are good, since they learned to play and for this they can faceroll the others? Considering that is one the most popular prof (probably the 2nd).

And about the annoying, ill believe you really hadnt read it, so ill make it clearer:
What youre saying is not be annoying. One thing is a tricky prof that bother you, like some CC spec, or making pressure like a condition spec. Other is a prof that doesnt demand the same skill from the others, while i need to play really better agaisnt them to have a chance to win. The skill needed to kill a good mesmer is visibly higher than the skill to kill a warrior or a guardian for example. This is not annoyance. If you believe in it, you are telling me that have some prof that its harder to defeat than others even going to a defensive spec or considering the playerskill. Wheres the balance in it?

Guardian easier to kill than a Mesmer? ROFL ROFL ROFL. Way harder to kill than a Mesmer. But hey maybe that’s because I know how Mesmer works.

Arheundel.6451:

jportell.2197:

Khyras.8021:

jportell.2197:

Then go Pvp somewhere else where you will find a class that you hate. The majority of the community ( the 99% of players that NEVER post here) have no issue with it and they just ask for advice and not whine. The point of mesmers is not to be annoying inherently but to deceive and confuse… If that annoys you then it is your problems and not the mesmers.

I will pvp where ever i want, you did not buy my copy of the game and you dont get to tell me what to do or where to go. F… you and f… mesmers too.

You clearly hate this game so much. I actually love this game and love learning class mechanics from other classes not by playing the classes but fighting them and identifying patterns.

Unless you play each profession for an extended period of time…you will never be able to fully grasp their weaknesses, I’m at fault also that’s why I’ll keep playing the mesmer for few months.
I can’t blame mesmer players telling others to learn to play, I do the same thing with people complaining about eles, never seen a profession in a game with more obvious animations than an ele, if you get by churning earth+lightning flash…..whoever you may be ,uninstall..now, same thing getting hit by rtl+updraft.
Anyway in the end once you play a profession for a certain amount of time..fightning them become far too easy

Well I like the learning from fighting and it has worked well for me. In PvP d/d ele’s aren’t bad just take some getting used to in WvW its OMGERED! I seriously don’t know if it is me or what but why are d/d ele’s so much harder to kill in WvW? And the only reason I say l2p is that there obvious tells to fighting mesmers such as the lack of an off hand weapon in a clone (HUGE GIVE AWAY!) When you are getting attacked look at your health! if the attack isn’t doing any damage guess what?! ITS THE CLONES attacking. Clone’s will not have sigil’s, buffs, signets or a title like “combat healer” or so on. All that are dead give aways and any player with half a brain should figure out how to notice. Not whine and qq.

Khyras.8021:

jportell.2197:

Then go Pvp somewhere else where you will find a class that you hate. The majority of the community ( the 99% of players that NEVER post here) have no issue with it and they just ask for advice and not whine. The point of mesmers is not to be annoying inherently but to deceive and confuse… If that annoys you then it is your problems and not the mesmers.

I will pvp where ever i want, you did not buy my copy of the game and you dont get to tell me what to do or where to go. F… you and f… mesmers too.

You clearly hate this game so much. I actually love this game and love learning class mechanics from other classes not by playing the classes but fighting them and identifying patterns.

@hanzlo BTW I love your signature.

Then go Pvp somewhere else where you will find a class that you hate. The majority of the community ( the 99% of players that NEVER post here) have no issue with it and they just ask for advice and not whine. The point of mesmers is not to be annoying inherently but to deceive and confuse… If that annoys you then it is your problems and not the mesmers.

Ahh Okay okay fair point. But seriously for those that love the GC build Try a tank build you will throw people for a loop!

daydream.2938:

The only thing that makes mesmers troublesome is portal and timewarp.

In terms of power, other than those things they arent anything special.

Once again portal is getting shared most half the other classes have access to quickness and if they equip a sigil of rage they can have almost full uptime of it with no drawbacks as long as they invest heavily in their precision.

Which is the POINT of fighting mesmers! They aren’t supposed to be easy they are supposed to confuse you and distract you. Fighting d/d ele’s is REALLY annoying for me! But do I completely give up and say OH NERF NERF NERF! This isn’t fair because it “annoyed me” NO! I figure out how they rotate their attunement swaps. I learned that their earth attacks cause ALOT of bleeding. I know the best time to burst into them is right AFTER they switch from water. Fighting Necro’s is SUPER annoying for me because they can slap conditions on faster than I can rip them off. It may not be an L2P issue in your eyes in which case it is something else entirely which is learn how to take when you lose and try to figure out what you can do differently.

It was in the twitch live stream with Devs a while back. Someone asked about dealing with “problem classes” such as bunker ele’s and portal mesmers. Dev response was

“bunker ele is on our watch list, Mesmer portal is giving us trouble looking at giving that mechanic to other classes”

Toughness doesn’t mitigate conditions… VITALITY does. Toughness is for fighting against RAW damage. Vitality is for conditions. And I repeat this mantra of L2P so much because I fight mesmers on the regular and I don’t have a problem (which means it is possible). There are tells. And they are very easy to figure out. If you want to sit there and beat on each other with auto attack go play something else.

Oh gees this… again. Hate to burst your bubble but they aren’t removing portal from pvp. They are in fact going to give it to other classes.

Oh wow… well here I will post this again seeing as people still can’t figure out how ANet wants this class to perform.

Jonathan Sharp
•Mesmers rely on illusions in order to accomplish their goals. They need illusions to accomplish some of their highest damage and control, and without the illusions, they become fairly fragile. They can deal with enemy boons better than most classes, but enemy conditions can often be a problem. They share some of the stealth and mobility that the Thief enjoys, but suffer from a low health pool if you get past all their tricks.

And he’s right enemy conditions ARE A PROBLEM FOR US. We have 3 ways to handle conditions
Arcane thievery Send 3 conditions to opponent get 3 boons. Meh Short range and might work might not

Null field: A glamour field that removes all conditions from allies and all boons from enemies (1 condition/boon per pulse if we can stay in it long enough we get 6 seconds IF!)

Mantra of resolve: total of 4 conditions but if it gets used up mantra’s have our longest cast times.

Website Description
Mesmers are magical duelists who wield deception as a weapon. Using powerful illusions, clones, and phantasmal magic to confuse and distract their foes, mesmers make sure every fight is balanced in their favor and their opponents can’t believe their eyes

So stop with the outrageous demands for mesmers to STILL get nerfed or lose clones or something. It is L2P. I have plenty of advice and other mesmers do as well!

Katanasama.9702:

Tips to kill a mesmer/ not die to a mesmer:

1: Do not travel alone… that’s asking to get jumped.
2: Try to be the jump-er not the jump-e, bursting a mesmer down before they can react is the method with the highest success rate.
3: Call target and coordinate with your team, yes you loose the cross hairs when they stealth, but more eyes makes less work.
4: Mesmer clones do NOT have boons / signets that the player does.
5: Mesmer clones do NOT dodge roll.
6: the REAL mesmer will not be cloudy … that’s a phantasm
7: STOP CASTING IF YOU GOT CONFUSION kitten (cure condition if you got it)
8: If the mesmer has a bubble on him… do not hit him (see #7)
9: if it’s a Greatsword mesmer.. go melee range he does less dmg. (or Line of sight)
10: If the fight starts getting away from you… RUN mesmers are EFFIN SLOW. Even with blink they won’t be able to catch most classes. (unless you can’t cure that cripple then you’re toast)

For GC mesmers sure. What about pyro’s immortal retaliation Mesmer?

Its the 20/20/0/0/30 Build making sure that you take no less than mental torment in first line, deceptive evasion in the second line, and Precise wrack and at least Illusionary persona in the illusion line. I have been playing a Mesmer not as long as Derps. But I have experimented with the class enough and know it well enough that I can see right through all clones. Mesmer has signet of domination? OH NOW HE DOESN"T! Must have used decoy. I will wait a whopping three seconds and retarget. He sent his clones to shatter? Well if I have sword I can BLOCK! Or I have this evade key and I dodge forward. Same thing with thieves. Oh crap I’m stone stun break! BLAH BLAH BLAH. It is an L2P issue and that’s it. I fight mesmers all the time and feel no more at a disadvantage then when I fight a d/d ele or a bunker guardian. But then again all these classes freak out when they see that I can’t be one shotted because I don’t run the build I mentioned above and I am actually “tankier” then that bunker guardian trying to hold my point or that d/d ele thief combo trying to gank it.

urinfamousr.7631:

TheLastScotsman.4865:

Wow, just wow. I mean seriously guys, is it really to hard to bind dodge to a different key and just dodge around the shatter, which most people can learn how to do by the second time a mes has tried to use the burst? Also for the idiot who said he couldn’t go ranged as a war cause rifle doesn’t pierce, you honestly shouldn’t be allowed to speak if you are using rifle instead of longbow in pvp, which has a nice little aoe that can solve all your problems by the way. For those of you who see the failure that is this “discussion” I just have to say that I find if the main defender of an argument has to resort to quoting nurato then you have already won…

mesmer will just wait till u dodge x2 then root/shatter u

So then that means they outplayed you?
No reason for a nerf

Some of not THE BEST. That goes to Ele then guardians then thieves. And I think trap rangers might be better than mesmers. Please don’t Generalize my class off these 3 skills which are really our only reliable dmg mitigation

Flat out mesmers have gotten nerfed more than any other class since release only having two patches where they got got buffed (one buff that was immediately nerfed after) and this recent one which was just bug fixes. So that says less about the people that play mesmers and way.more about people that hate on them because they still haven’t learned how to counter. Its ridiculous. Just stop

Mesmer has that same problem with their Illusionary leap/swap if I am chilled/crippled takes a while for my clone to get there and I hit swap and BF but problem is I didn’t swap because I am chilled!. And we are just as bad at removing conditions we only have one maybe 2 reliable skills for curing conditions and it is never all conditions we have on us but send 3 to your opponent or this mantra removes 2 conditions or you have to stay inside null field to lose one condition per pulse.

Ostricheggs.3742:

jportell.2197:

Nerf distortion you say? A skill that we can use ever 45 seconds if we trait. Then we have Blurred Frenzy which is every 10 if we are lucky. These 2 skills are the most reliable evade/block/invuln we have. Thief has how many evades available with no cooldowns thanks to initiative? Rangers have how many depending on the weapon set? D/D ele’s have better mobility than all other classes plus a bunch of blocks/invulns. Warriors/Guardians/Engie’s all have the ability to “block,block,block” again depending on weapons. Necro’s well yeah IDK about them. So nerf our OH S*** button that is available on a relatively long cooldown….. Yeah stop being a jerk.

ALSO Portal is getting shared as stated by the devs so just give up on it being removed.

Blurred frenzy, distortion and perma vigor makes it so that mesmers have one of the best tools for staying alive in the hands of a good player.

Saying they dont have a lot is ridiculous. For christ’s sake, you get a stun break on your staff…

Not saying mesmers need a nerf, cuz they don’t. I’m just aying that denying they get a lot of evades and other such nonsense on their main weapons that most other classes can only dream of.

eles have only 1 invuln and no blocks, thieves that blow their entire initiative load on their shortbow are either kitten or deeja and guardians only block block block during their heal. kitten son, get it together.

Phase retreat on a staff isn’t a stun breaker had this conversation before. It moves us but it doesn’t break the stun. Soooooo get it together? Yah I do got it together. And the full up time on vigor only gives us clones to do a shatter every 45 seconds if we want to use the f4. And Blurred frenzy is on a 10 sec cooldown. So again?

Same is said for bunker guardians. And what they hell did you just say in that last sentence? And the day that my auto attack crits for the same amount warriors does and I am just as survivable as them. I will think they need help. Until then just no.

There is your problem right there. You want it all in one build. I’m a tank Mesmer and when I compare my damage numbers to what they were as a shatter burst its quite sad. But I turn all fights into fights of attrition unless the person runs in which case “I WIN!” You shouldn’t get it all in one build. You want to have high damage and kill people super quick GREAT! Don’t expect your survivability to match. The only class that can really do this I think is the D/D ele. But They are getting looked at and I also don’t know the class AMAZINGLY well so I am not going to be quick to say OP or whatever but I have my feelings.

No If I was trying to pick a fight I would go about it in a different way. And warriors have great condi removal depending on your build. If you have runes of soldier then all shouts remove conditions. You have been given that option. Just because you don’t want to run it doesn’t mean your class needs changed.

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Royce.6835:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

DUDE LMAO when i saw this i literally busted out laughing. I hope you are trolling lmao.

DONT WORRY GUYS, HE GOT A KILL IN A HOT JOIN… MUST BE THE BEST CLASS

everyone HOLD THE PHONES

do NOT buff this class. clearly it is way op based on this screenshot LMFAO

Krilce.7864:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Aww man warriors so unviable :/

Man, you were playing in hot-join, 100% with new players judging by their armor. Considering the fact that most of them don’t even know how to dodge, and certainly not to interrupt your combo, I wouldn’t brag about warriors being viable.

Try and play against organized teams, you’d get demolished if you think this shows any kind of warrior viability.

Why u guys all so mad ?

I can’t help it that i’m doing fine with warrior atm

@Krilce
Curse usually has a warrior in their team so idk what you’re talking about lol

and if that guy on curse switched to a different class, his effectiveness would be increased tenfold. just saying.

jportell.2197:

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Dueled a warrior in WvW (I know this is pvp) BUT this guy ran Sword/Shield GS combo and he was a beast. I’m sorry I think warriors are fine.

“I am a very inexperienced pvper. I fought a warrior who was just as bad as me. He wrecked me. Warriors are fine.”

???? And the other 10-15 people that he dueled that he beat? They are all just really bad too right?

yes.

Or maybe he just plays the class cause he actually likes it and thinks the class is good enough for paids. Right ? No ? Ok, let’s all play thief then.

I like the class. I tried the other classes. Warrior is my favorite because the other ones are too cheese for me. All kinds of weird tactics that i’m not into. I’m really straight forward, that’s why I play a warrior, not because I think it’s strong. I make it strong by putting in 10x the effort of other players who think their classes are hard to play

Woah woah woah. Sir I think you just contradicted yourself. Other classes have all kinds of weird tactics? Okay this is true. Ele’s attunement swaps, Mesmers shatter/tank builds. Guardians on boons Engi’s on kits so on. So because you don’t want to try another class with odd tactics you go for the “straight forward class” What I am getting out of this is that you want to put in no effort. If other classes require “weird” tactics then that means they have a challenge in playing them. So you want the straight forward auto attack no thought class and then say you have to try 10X harder? Hmmmm… Lots of contradiction from what I see.

Leadfoot.9071:

daydream.2938:

Warriors are limited, no doubt about it.
BUT warriors in 100 b spec DO have great burst and are viable. But perhaps not in the way that people want warriors to be viable.
Additionally, this is the only viable way to play a warrior that i have seen.
I think some other specs are semi-viable like hammer control.

What about the “spartan” build… axe/mace sword/shield with lyssa runes and shouts – (I think the lyssa runes remove conditions on shouts). Is that one not viable? (I’m seriously asking because I don’t know and am curious)

Soldiers runes remove conditions with shouts.

Ayestes.1273:

I’m so confused as to whether this is all satire or not now. Regardless, Mesmers aren’t nearly as much as an issue to me personally as they used to be. It’s possible because they blow two elite slots on Illusion of Life and Portal now coupled with all of the nerfs, or it’s possible it’s because I’ve got better at tracking the real Mesmer without hesitation. The clone mechanic is extremely interesting to me, even if frustrating at first when dealing with it. Also to make it clear, I only really play an Engineer.

You are better at tracking mesmers. Okay to everyone posting here. Instead of trying to fight mesmers 1v1 or picking up the class. Get some friends go to an empty server and watch the Mesmer duel another class. Make sure they are on your team and you will see it all and be like ahhhh…. You know who never complains about fighting mesmers? Other mesmers because we KNOW THE CLASS INSIDE AND OUT! If I am fighting a shatter Mesmer I run to the back of the stack of clones because that’s where the Mesmer is. Once I have them targeted the only time I drop target is if they use their 1 skill that leaves a clone in place of them. And even then it is usually pretty obvious its not the real Mesmer because the real Mesmer usually has sigils activated or a signet or a title under their name. It is really not that hard. And yeah I am going to say L2P because its the same problem with thieves. The only difference is we CONFUSE YOU MORE because we have more DISTRACTIONS up…. Hmmmm yeah I realize I have a lot of caps up but confusion and distraction are the design philosophy behind this class.

Royce.6835:

jportell.2197:

Dueled a warrior in WvW (I know this is pvp) BUT this guy ran Sword/Shield GS combo and he was a beast. I’m sorry I think warriors are fine.

“I am a very inexperienced pvper. I fought a warrior who was just as bad as me. He wrecked me. Warriors are fine.”

???? And the other 10-15 people that he dueled that he beat? They are all just really bad too right?

OMG MESMERS ARE SO OP!!!!!! We must just be really bad and use exploits!

Yes and when mesmers duel each other we both just sit their and let our 10 clones each duke it out while we make bets on who’s clones are better because they do SO MUCH DAMAGE.

Dueled a warrior in WvW (I know this is pvp) BUT this guy ran Sword/Shield GS combo and he was a beast. I’m sorry I think warriors are fine.

TOTALLY RIGHT! When they do share it DECREASE THE COOLDOWN FOR MESMERS. 90 Second cooldown on a utility skill I mean c’mon. But it will also be nice to equip skills how I want instead of “Hey Mesmer have portal”. Its just like Really but I like these skills and find them more useful. Not this and that skill.

Necroshen.3698:

Well if they change the Mesmer to anything like your suggestions Xocolatl.6890 I would stop playing a Mesmer I’m afraid. I love the Great Sword I think it suits us perfectly because it isn’t a “typical weapon” you would associate with our look and feel, but the fact that you don’t even hold it when your attacking but rather suspend it between your hands and fire rippling energy through it whilst it rotates blasting down your foes it’s just pure awesome. Not to mention throwing it and your phatasm blade you can blast straight out of the ground. The Great Sword is by far one of the best weapons we have. Think of it this way, your using it but your not really using it lol its your conduit for energy output to beat down the bad guys.

It doesn’t rotate in Asura hands we just hold it! I want to have the cool animation like humans and sylvari and (norn mesmers?)

Kaiyanwan.8521:

You need to take the trait: XIII Deceptive Deception in Dueling: Generates a clone for every clone that clones clones.

I know I was joking kinda just telling the OP that he was exaggerating WAY to much. I am a shatter tank 0/20/0/20/30. Me and deceptive evasion are great great friends.

Edit: HAHA my bad… didn’t notice the sarcasm in your post. Good show!

Nier.2478:

daydream.2938:

Darnis.4056:

Ranger was “UP” for a while or so the QQ on the forum has lead us to believe.

Ranger is now the strongest Roam/Point Assault IMHO
85%Chance to win 1v1 against any class, including mesmer/thief/Guard ? Check.

People are now starting to realize mesmer isn’t OP as it used to be, QQ has shifted towards Ele/Ranger so the tiers look more like this for me personally;

Ele/Ranger/Guard
Mesmer/Thief/Warrior
Necro/Engi

Mesmer/Thief/Warrior seem to be the ~most~ balanced,
Warrior lacks condi removal though, maybe a little bit of a boost here would be nice It’s still afaik as good a roamer as a mesmer/thief.

“ppl are now starting to realize mesmer isnt as op” . Mesmer got a nerf dude. He literally isnt as strong as he was.

“He literally isnt as strong as he was.”

Doesn’t fight good Mesmers. Let alone a nobody in tPvP who doesn’t even fight anyone “good.”

If you think Mesmers are fine right now then sorry, they’re not. The ability to use the “I messed up” buttons 24/7 in duels, team fight capability with time-warp, map control with portal is too good for this game’s “standards.” And just because you aren’t good with a Mesmer and can’t see how broken Mesmers are, doesn’t mean they aren’t broken.

Delete Portal and Time Warp from tPvP, get the old Moa Back, nerf distortion, they will still be above average.

Nerf distortion you say? A skill that we can use ever 45 seconds if we trait. Then we have Blurred Frenzy which is every 10 if we are lucky. These 2 skills are the most reliable evade/block/invuln we have. Thief has how many evades available with no cooldowns thanks to initiative? Rangers have how many depending on the weapon set? D/D ele’s have better mobility than all other classes plus a bunch of blocks/invulns. Warriors/Guardians/Engie’s all have the ability to “block,block,block” again depending on weapons. Necro’s well yeah IDK about them. So nerf our OH S*** button that is available on a relatively long cooldown….. Yeah stop being a jerk.

ALSO Portal is getting shared as stated by the devs so just give up on it being removed.

OMG 12 clones I must speak to this Mesmer the game only lets me have 3! HACK I SAY! HACK! Report that class mechanic abuser now! haha