Guild Wars 2

Ranger is awesome in the traditional faceroll pve, i.e. dungeons…

Healing signet.

They read it, but don’t seem to understand it.

At least that’s what the state of the balance suggests.

RageExpert.2453:

all that damage

Rank 53. After 2 years. Come back when you have learned to play.

Next question, please.

My build on th Halmi guy is similar but downs him much quicker and is safe.
6/4/0/0/4 Spectral Wall with Terror included.
15 seconds is tops.

Been doing it since last year when necro was much weaker. Now it’s just faceroll.

Harper.4173:

ITT : change all classes and make them the same so no class will have any situational advantage over another.

I’m not sure this is ever possible, especially in this game, but a good step forward would be to eliminate all the in-your-face-dont-give-a-kitten builds like some warrior or ele specs…

Come on, Anet, please can you come and answer, because what we have left of all the love we gave you, the emotional investment in you and the game are both rapidly fading in the ocean of indifference…

please.
JP, Karl & Co, please no more cheese and noskill mechanics, I beg you, stop pumping that into the game. We give you feedback everyday and you say you listen, but truly you don’t. All you care about is gems and e-sports.
Where were you when I was getting stomped by that warrior? Where were you when my teammate was getting wrecked by a cancer ele?
Please, can you finally do something about this poor balance in PvP and PvE? Can you make all classes equally viable and, more importantly, do it fast?
We give you gems everyday and you force us to wait for months. This is not how relationships work.

In relationships, you have to be there for the other one everyday and make them know that. Otherwise the gf may just leave you. You know, if we were your spouses, we would have divorced you a long time ago, because you don’t show us the love.

How are we supposed to know you still love us if you are never there for us? These are relationship basics. I don’t want to sound needy, but some love from time to time would make everyone happy. You can’t spend all your time ignoring us – you need to balance this more carefully. We have our needs, like every woman would tell you! These needs got to be fulfilled or the love will slowly fade…

Also, it would be really nice and invigorating if you could leak some future balance patch notes once again. They at least make us look for something in the future.

Please, fix the game.

Despite a huge negativity in this thread, I’ll try to be as constructive as I can.
The new Crown Pavillion is garbage.
That’s it. I’m out.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

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Dude bro, pls can you prove to everyone that necro is the best profession for dungeons like you did with the engie? Also pls add some meaningful maths.

@ sorrow:
Everything can be successful. You can win solo queue without a main hand weapon.
Does that mean playing without a main hand weapon is okay?

The answer is obvious.

Necro is bad right now. Devs didn’t test enough and they moved away from balance once again.

War is by far a better choice in every possible scenario.
A thief is by and large a safer, more versatile and useful choice.
Ele as well provides greater benefits.
Same with engie, ranger and even mesmer.

I’m still waiting for a viable build from you, that can stand on its own like all the meta builds for other professions.

sorrow.2364:

leman.7682:

A full tank wells necro with cleric amulet is not only less tanky than an ele or war, especially under focus fire, but also has a lot less damage. Tested it.

Why Cleric Amulet and Wells Necro? You’ve tried the wrong build.

The point stays. Can you propose a build that has the sustainability of a warrior or ele or engie and provides similar level of damage/utility?
If you can’t then provide a build that is more sustainable, which would make up for the lacking damage or utility.
If you still can’t it means necro lacks in comparison.

sorrow.2364:

Necromancers, when specced for sustain, have plenty of it, so do Guardians and any other professions, but you can’t compare a build not specced for sustain with a build specifically made for it.

A full tank wells necro with cleric amulet is not only less tanky than an ele or war, especially under focus fire, but also has a lot less damage. Tested it.

torgalspu.9074:

Rather calling for buffs I think necro is fine tone warrior down but I’m a noob I have no valid point

But this is a valid point, my friend.

When you look at other professions and compare them with the necro it just seem that the devs lacked ideas for it.

Practically every profession has weapon sets with skill sequences that enable more engaging playstyle than what necro one-sided spammable skills give.

Just think about it, why is necro practically the only profession that while fighting with every single weapon set is forced to spam autos? You just unload shutdown/aoe and then are left with nothing but auto-attacking (including Life Blast).

This is a design flaw and there’s no one else to blame but the lazy devs. Wouldn’t be that much of a problem to be honest (everything is fixable), but they won’t even acknowledge that. No excuse there.

Skill sequences, useful innate combos would be the step to fix the necro.
The lazy way of adding 0’s to skills or traits (Dumbfire) is not a professional solution, it should be a placeholder for a well thought-over changes.

History repeats itself.

I think the devs, at some point, just lost the necro in translation.
Nerfs to great mechanics (Putrid Mark) and introduction of cheese have been happening for months now, with almost all the other professions receiving quality of life changes.

Necro lags behind other professions in design department and the balance devs seem to have no clue on how to proceed.

sorrow.2364:

How the game is all about mobility and rotation, seriously?
You guys seem to play a whole different game.

Rotations is just as important as teamfight capabilities and Necromancers are great at that.

How can a necro win a teamfight that ends before he or she joins it?
Rotations are EVERYTHING.

The game right now is all about rotations and utility.
All the necro has is dps that is often negligible.

Necro needs some valuable changes, but not like Dhuumfire. They need more utility/mobility/sustain to make them viable.

Bhawb.7408:

I think they should take the #2 skill, and add it as a chain to the auto attack, but with only 2-3 hits, make it cleave, and then re-balance it with that in mind. Then make the #2 skill a frontal cone burst skill.

We have a winner! Genius.

Muchacho.2390:

leman.7682:

warriors being teamfight juggernauts == necros can’t be teamfight juggernauts.
Some advanced logic there.

If you want to do advanced logic you should have cited my statement correctly.
I only wrote

Since when are Necromancer teamfight juggernauts?

which is a question (or if you want to interpret it as the statement: necros are not teamfight juggernauts) and then

I thought that were warriors…

which is a statement (we can interpret as warriors are teamfight juggernauts).

Nowhere i see any equality of the two statements, meaning i nowhere conclude from one to the other and back.
Or if we formalize it: If A and B are the two statements,
then i wrote: A and B
And not A<=>B

You assume that warriors being one thing rules out necros from being the same, which is a fallacy, because there is no basis for such a statement.
Hence the ‘==’ mark on my side.
If you want to go further – you stated A (warriors are juggernauts) => B (necros aren’t), which is an implication. In my mind, A = 1, B = 0 making the whole implication false.

And necros, in design at least, are teamfight juggernauts.

Muchacho.2390:

leman.7682:

Necro needs to have a more defined place in the game. The one that the devs seem to believe in (a teamfight juggernaut) is not and hasn’t ever been working.

Since when are Necromancer teamfight juggernauts? I thought that were warriors…

Necros stay in teamfights until they die.
They can be quite tanky.
‘Immobile’
Attrition.

Also:
warriors being teamfight juggernauts == necros can’t be teamfight juggernauts.
Some advanced logic there.

I can confirm that what moa wrote is completely valid in the current now-shaping meta. Probably even more than it was before.

What wins matches is versatility, adaptability, because sPvP is about resource management.

It’s either a thief who can decap and quickly rotate somewhere else or drop lone targets making the other team waste time or completely lose track of what’s happening. Hambow/condi wars will always find their place in a match by either tanking/stomping in teamfights or invading. An engie or ele are just the same.
Some profession/spec combos are just so versatile you aren’t going to waste with them.

Necro is different. Every necro build has numerous hardcounters that, as expected, are very common in current meta. This leads to necro being just a chance pick, as moa wrote – good vs beginners, redundant vs competent players.

All in all, I agree there is something to be done about the necro and no kitten -buffs like Anet got us used to will fix that (as shown through Dhummfire experience). Necro needs to have a more defined place in the game. The one that the devs seem to believe in (a teamfight juggernaut) is not and hasn’t ever been working.

Skyhammer is the biggest mistake in the history of craftsmanship of mapmaking.

Not even gonna go into what’s wrong with it, because everything has been said tenfold already.

The answer? Just remove that abomination from the game.

djooceboxblast.9876:

5. Staff Auto needs a change. Its bad!

Working as intended!

When I’m back from a grocery shop, I’m gonna write a bigger post about the state of necro after the patch since I just got countered to elo hell in solo queue and am spot on the current problems.

Axe is garbage. This is as constructive as it gets for this petty weapon.

People have been telling this for almost two years.
Anet doesn’t listen, because yolo. Yes, yolo, cos they don’t even talk to people starting this discussion.
Won’t probably happen until new PvP mode comes, which is in 10 years.

Kitten this, I’m out.

Some r60-70’s deserve the boost, so do some r50’s (like me).

Can’t distinguish a dirty pve skyham farmer from a Team Arena player by rank only.

Hence, the change has to be like that. Kids, please stop arguing.

I second that. How?

• Living story over.
• mighty meak back.

Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Ha, logged in this morning to find out it was actually rank 15 that I got last night.

Congrats! I had that in September 2012!

Jk =D #GoAllie!

Phantaram.1265:

EU solo queue is pretty good overall.

Good as kitten.

You paid for it, you’re holding it, but it will only mature in 10 years.
Potential yields are very high, but the chance you get your investment back is miniscule.

Truth be told.

The queues will increase by another 20 minutes now.

Dahkeus.8243:

Please shut this thread down. It’s clear the PvP community has the maturity and entitlement issues of a 10 year old rich kid.

This is a positive thread. Could you please refrain from posting negative and inflamatory opinions?

Mrbig.8019:

now it’s suddenly OP ?

Yes.

15 characters.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Just one problem: there has been no hint at a siphon buff coming.

So I guess you’ll have to wait and see

Three groups of PvP, WvW and PvE players talking to each other about a change that they haven’t seen yet.

Necro’s condi pressure is absurd in PvP, that is a fact. Anet wants us to play hybrid (condi + wells) or supportive (hence the another incoming sustainability buff through siphons) builds proven by things like Diamond Skin, Automated Response, Berserker Stance and Empathic Bond.

Balance is broken by absurdity of some specs (decaps, pistolwhip and hambow to some degree to name a few outside of MMs, and other AI garbage). The Dhuumfire change, while painful at the beginning will force you all to either improve your gameplay or change your spec. Improve because applying burning will require more input but will potentialy be more potent.

People who don’t like that will have to go with something else with a hopefully buffed sustainability. This is what is, for me with thousands of PvP games, the most interesting part. I put my hopes here for a sheer chance of having something new to play.

Still not a fix to main necro problems imo, but w/e. One day, Mr Fox, as they say.

Well, if it at least required some skill, I could maybe accept it, but it is the pinnacle of Anet’s Cheese Pumping Program. It’s there because someone in Balance thought ‘yolo why not lololo’.

In all seriousness, the skill is broken and everyone using it should be ashamed just as every decap engie should.

That’s it.

DiamondMeteor.8345:

55. Pvp is fun.

56. It is becoming more fun each day and each patch with fixing of bugs and addition of new skills and traits that promote skillful gameplay.

Will someone, preferabbly a Dev, tell my what exactly am I supposed to do with PvP materials?

I’ve been there since Betas, my locker is filled with pvp items up to my range (r50’s) and I have a lot of unused mats. Not gonna talk about glory boosters – has been eating those each day I play and still have a lot, but what’s with the rest?

Will they be changed to something else when the patch comes? What am I supposed to do with them? It’s not like I can sell them on the Trading Post or craft a legendary with them.

Agreed.

When Temple came out, it was awesome.

Since then it’s been a free fall in quality and enjoyability of the pvp.

28. Due to an awesome randomness, anyone can be rank 1 solo leaderboards!

Sorry, I had to.

Inb4 Allie comes and says some ppl like Skyham.
I hate it.

CHIPS.6018:

Kasmeer smells fishy? It must be that time of the month for her. >_>

Sooo wrong xD

PvE: <trollface> nope
WvW: nope
PvP: a big topic, but in general I’d say it is strong, can carry games or be diminished to uselessness. It al depends on both teams and how well they are at protecting/shutting down the necro.
A teamfight with warriors and a thief that have only one purpose in life – to kill a necro – will be a difficult one for example. If a necro and his or her team can manage to kill their enemies first, the game may snowball hard into necros favour (LF reserves, map control).
If the assaulters succeed though, it is difficult for the necro to come back (slow movement, being susceptible to ganks and interceptions, usually no life force).

Depends, depends.

1. Necro
2. Ranger
3. Ele

Josh Davis.6015:

Thief has been added to the list. Sorry about the copy/pasta fail.

Congrats. Will there be more? When is it coming?

So… That’s it?

For a couple of months of waiting and we get this?
Please communicate? Is it everything? You basically repeated the stream and then some by forgeting about thieves.

This doesn’t feel very fair and what to discuss if you post nothing new?

Well, it is quite obvious it’s Abaddon or something connected to it.

Since they connected the new fractal to Scarlet it means they planned from the beginning the connection – indicating that no matter what the players would choose would still tell the story, just from another perspective.

Still better than GW2…