Guild Wars 2

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Nope. On my main I’m missing only one accessory and the back piece. Now I find out I can’t get either of those items with badges of honor. I also can’t start to equip my alts either because of these kittening laurels.

Yes, I really did expect to have access to all those things with this patch.

…and I’m not happy about it.

So you simply expected to have to work way less than people doing PvE because you were a WvW:er? Fun thing is you actually DO have to work less, since the laurel cost is quite a bit lower on the items that can be bought with badges + laurels.

Eliandal.8735:

…and stop being an apologist.

Something this big, and integral to WvW should NEVER have made it to live, further, it should not STILL be happening nearly a day after starting!

And stop talking about stuff that you clearly have no clue about.

Anyone with even basic knowledge of development is fully aware that a test-environment is never the same as live, and there is always a risk that something unexpected turns up in live, that didn’t in the test-environment.

They are working on it and fixing it as fast as they can. I find it extremely unlikely that they are just sitting there doing nothing. This is hurting them way more than all people shouting about the end of the world on the forums, so of course their top priority is to get it back online.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

We don’t care. We’ve waited 6 months already. Now we’re waiting even longer.

…and we’re not happy about it.

Because you wasted your laurels on other stuff?
That is not the games fault.

I had a fully outfitted (except the back-item) character before this patch, and yet I still had 54 Laurels that I could use for my WvW character and give him two items, including infusions.

But you are missing the whole point.
A PTR-server will not work the exact same way as a live-server, therefore issues that turns up because of stuff on the live-server will not be identified on the PTR, and therefore it would all be a waste of money.

LOTRO is using a PTR for every single update. And yet after every single update they have rather glaring bugs and issues, which did not turn up on the PTR.

Same goes for Diablo 3.

Beachead.4127:

Except that we have been waiting six months. Why does it have to roll out slowly for us when every pver already has all their ascended gear.

So.. if they add Ascended gear for crafting they should be craft-able for free? Because those that focus on crafting and trading have been waiting for a long time?

People that felt the need to get Ascended gear have gotten it already, no matter if they are a PvE or WvW-player (you have been able to complete dailies in WvW since the patch that introduced Laurels after all).

Liquid.9672:

Sure they “can”. However, do you guys see the drop rate for rares translating into “a lot more Ecto”?

Well since we don’t have a drop rate it is quite pointless to speculate. But I would say it is high enough to increase the supply of ectos yeah.

Beachead.4127:

Except I have to wait 25 days. Make it so players buying ascended gear with fractals also require laurels and I might call it even.

You do?
What happened to all the Laurels you have gotten before the patch?

Beachead.4127:

So how about we make it so that the purchase of fractal ascended gear also requires laurels. That will make it even except for the fact that pve players still get back pieces and have had ascended gear available to them for six months.

You do know that you can’t get all Ascended items by only doing Fractals, right?

Beachead.4127:

Oooooh you don’t want to WvW to get your gear… I see. Makes perfect sense. So why do I have to pve to get mine?

But you don’t. You can get laurels in WvW without much trouble.

DarkSider.1079:

I think the point of the OP is a PTR would eliminate more of these issues before going live.

And I addressed that in my reply as well.
A test-server will NEVER be identical to a live-server. And there will ALWAYS be issues that don’t turn up on test-servers but on live. This is the case in every single game with a PTR.
It cost loads of money, it generate hype for releases, but it doesn’t really fix all the issues, no matter what people want to believe.

Liquid.9672:

I’m not sure I’m understanding how we’re going to be seeing “a lot more Ecto” with these rank reward chests.

They can drop rare and exotic gear?

No matter how much you test something there will always be issues that won’t turn up on test-servers.

I have played quite a few games with PTRs and they still get rather big issues with patches.

The environment on a test-server is never identical with a live-server, so no matter how much money you spend on test-servers there will always be issues.

Junkpile.7439:

Ay info when it comes? I need rings, but i don’t waste laurels.

Most likely never.

Junkpile.7439:

But is there badge option without laurels?

Nope.

Lets not assume that it will hit at the same time as the festival. Some of the things in the dat-file turn up several updates before it actually get into the game.

As for the Skyhammer that sounds like a WvW-thingy in my eyes.

Fixeon.5076:

Any Anet tags able to give us a rough ETA on a fix for this?

No, hopefully they will NOT give us an ETA, because if they say something and then the fix doesn’t work people will whine about ArenaNet lying.
Better to simply put the patch out as soon as it is ready.

But thats just the thing: The information IS in the game, but you have to actually talk to more NPCs than those few that have stars over their heads.

Thurin.5610:

Ah a fan boy, it’s not to much to ask for the game to work right. to actully test a patch before applying it. Lag and GW2.exe crashs are destroying gameplay.

It was a genuine question, since you apparently have so much knowledge about coding a large-scale MMO and such, one would assume that you had put that knowledge to use.

Anyone with any kind of clue about development is fully aware that no matter how much you test something, it might end up doing something when put into the live version.
The lag is most likely client-site (as in the users connection) rather than server-side since not all people are effected by it, and the crashes might have something to do with the users computer or corrupted files as well, since there seem to be quite few people reporting constant crashes.

Vaffelman.6954:

been a day now Anet, how are you intending to keep your WvW players?

They are working on fixing it. Simple as that.
They are simply hoping that the player-base consists of people that know that stuff can go wrong.

Actually in most RPGs I have played you had to work a bit to get information about stuff. Not everything needs to be pushed into your face.
A RPG is about living the world after all, and it is not much of a world if you don’t have to ask around for information, is it?

The Molten Alliance is defeated and their weapon facilities are destroyed.
They are not coming back for the foreseeable future.

Nuvo.5014:

U fail hard. like 24 hour after the patch and we can’t place siege only golems. Not a pve bug dosn’t matter let fix it next month. Useless

Where are your large-scale MMO game? I would love to test it.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

It took them months to bring Ascended gear to WvW, and it’s still not complete.

Ah yes, because Ascended gear not in WvW was a bug……

Meeks.1079:

The reason people complain is because A.Net has refused to do what every other major MMO does and host a PTR. There is no reason major bugs like this should be going live when there are low cost ways to test things beforehand. I played WoW from release through WOTLK and things like this just did not happen.

And the reason people shout about a PTR is that they think that it will magically solve every single issue that turns up on live but not in testing.
This is not the case.
There are loads of games with test-servers and yet these still have rather big bugs turning up when adding the updates to live.

A test server is never exactly the same as a live-sever.

Luna.9640:

sPvP don’t have siege so go there…you and rest who think like you are at the wrong places.

I have yet to find a single Custom server where I can get 50 vs 50 in sPvP sadly.

And remove the fun situation with WvW without siege? ^^

Nah, it is a fun experience ^^

I love how people seems to think that ArenaNet is not working on it as fast as they can…

enos.1580:

Maybe you had a different experience than the majority, but 90% of the Lost Shores content was broken and uncompleteable.

That is actually bullkitten. There were very little that were permanently broken back in Lost Shores. Sure it lagged. Sure people got disconnected, but the events themselves worked quite well.

I wonder what you people actually have done in WvW before this update.
I have yet to find a single day where I couldn’t complete my daily by only doing WvW.

It is actually quite funny with people complaining about no-one wanting to do the dungeon.
Based on the number of such comment on this forums alone there would be enough people for over 10 groups.

Why do people need the story thrown in their face to see it?
There is actually quite a bit of story in the updates, but you actually have to actively speak/listen to NPCs in order to get it. Just like in the real world.

I think it was quite clear that Canach was suspected for the situation at hand and it was also quite clear that Kiel knew that and where she were going to look for him.

Kvitoq.9154:

Which is why people invented a things called “public test servers”.

Which is also a test server.
I can name several games with test-servers that still have issues when they move the new updates to live.

Quite funny that people seems to assume that this is because they have not tested it.
I wonder how many of these people have actually ever developed something in their lives.
There is ALWAYS a difference between a test-server and a live-server. There can ALWAYS be things that turns up on live that was not there on the test.

So, why are everyone assuming that the festive dragon coffers will be gem-store only?

Millenx.7905:

hmm, has Anet released anything about plans to add some permanent content, this one time only stuff is cool and all but it kind of bums you out when you miss it.

There will be a meta-event with a world boss added next weak on Southsun. That will be permanent.

Vol.5241:

Last I heard it was supposed to be in this patch ;/

They were in the preview for the patch before this one, but was a mistake, they have never given any information about when it will be added.

Vol.5241:

So..uh…what happened to PvE culling?

They are working on it.

tigirius.9014:

Wow just wow. That’s amazingly lazy imo. But we’ll still see people try to defend it, or tell us it’s not important even tho it cost real life money to get. smh

Or people simply understanding that mistakes can be made and this is probably one.

flazerith.7253:

Why dont you wait for the thing to actually release before you lose your s***.

Technically it is released (it is in the game).
I do agree however, people should wait until it is actually official before behaving like children.

dronzer.8392:

Doubtful, with the hierarchy they cannot be that careless and it doesn’t matter how many people are involved, there is always the lead artists that oversee this and they usually have to approve the work before it gets passed down the department, this is just a quick dirty fast money making thing.

Shame, the actual design of the skin though isn’t bad…

So.. where is the official announcement of this Sickle added to the Gem-store? Until that announcement comes we should all assume that it was added by mistake.

Another thing to keep in mind is that it was not added to the large central advertisement window in the middle of the store, while the Pick was as soon as it was added, which would also point towards it being added by mistake.

Essence Snow.3194:

Wouldn’t that imply basically zero testing?

Or simply an error when adding the new mini to the store. It is fully possible that the Sickle was added to the store in the test-environment in order to make sure that it worked as intended but they didn’t bother to add the new sound/effect/graphic to it yet. And then that test-version somehow manage to get into the same build as the mini kitten and therefore added to live before getting the sound/effect/graphic update.

They are human after all, it is fully possible that they make mistake, just as that time when they added the custom server items to the store, or the removal of PvE culling into the release preview.

Essence Snow.3194:

For 10 bucks…this is kitten poor. Please don’t buy gems to support this kind of behavior. Buying it will only ensure things like this (and probably worse) will happen again.

Lets wait until we get actual confirmation from ArenaNet that this is working as intended shall we?
They have after all always posted about new stuff added to the gem store before, but in this case they haven’t. So it is likely that it got added to the store earlier than intended, just like the Custom Arena-things a couple of months ago.

notebene.3190:

My concern was unlike the pick, which said it worked on the highest metals, and the mouse over now that I own it says ‘all metals’, this one specifically says ‘ori’. This gives them the ability to make an expansion or other content that introduces new types of materials and ‘oh, by the way, this is better than ori…sorry about your pick’.

That was however the exact same thing with the Pick.
In store it said same as Ori, but when bought is says all metals. This one says Harvest all plants when bought.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

It is already on the gem store.

I am fully aware of that having bought two of them myself.

But as said earlier in this very thread. It wouldn’t be the first time stuff have sneaked into the store before it was ready, and we have heard nothing from ArenaNet about adding these to the store.

They also want to make sure what is actually in the patch notes is in the patch.
A thing can be pulled from a patch just a few hours before the patch goes live, therefore adding patch notes earlier than that would be quite silly.

Antares.2586:

Is it confirmed, or is it a hoax ?
I agree, it’s a bit puzzling.

Seems really subpar, regarding the job Anet made on the molten pick.

It has been no official work at all from ArenaNet about the sickle, so I am assuming it is not ready and was supposed to come with todays patch.

Vayne.8563:

I’m buying it for the convenience, but lazy is lazy. Why make us pay for something so obviously immersion breaking?

Why assume it is ready? It wouldn’t be the first time unfinished stuff turned up in the store.

Crazylegsmurphy.6430:

Wow, this is super lazy of ANet.

Is it their goal to not take my money?

Is people really only buying this unlimited items for the looks?
I was under the impression that people bought it for the convenience of never having to buy picks/sickles again

Indeed, people need to keep in mind that the sickle might have sneaked in early, and was actually supposed to come with tonights patch, so it might not be “ready” yet.

ArenaNet spend time to make new gemstore item = People whine about them focusing on the wrong stuff

ArenaNet does a shortcut and release a slightly reskinned item with other uses = People whine about them not focusing enough on the gem-store items.

Quite funny observation.