Guild Wars 2

We’re not really going to know everything until we know about sigil and runes, and it doesn’t look like they’re likely to spill details before the release on these.

cranos.5913:

sigh I don’t get why all threads about more challenging content have to be hijacked by “want trinity, no stacking” discussions… If you want to discuss it, there’s a million topics on it already. Not to mention an idiotically large one in the general discussion forum.

Yes, raid type content would be fun. Lupi type bosses with like 10 phazes or something… Or even an 8 man instance of the likes of fissure of woe or underworld would be sweet.

Basically this.

Dahkeus.8243:

maxinion.8396:

You know you ~can~ just go play WoW, instead of turning GW2 into WoW, yes? Action combat is the point. 10 man action combat could be interesting, but these suggestions about unavoidable damage are contrary to the heart of the game.

Is this a troll?

WoW’s a gear-grind extravaganza. Just because people enjoy large group, instanced content doesn’t mean they like to grind all day to be able to do it or like having their friends locked out of their group because they aren’t in the same gear tier.

And how is unavoidable damage contrary to the ‘heart of the game’? Do you believe that having all healing and support traits/builds/gear being irrelevant is being true to the ‘heart of the game’?

I’m not trolling, I’m serious. I, and many others in this forum, quite enjoy the fact that basically all damage is avoidable with a good group providing strong party support. Aegis + blind + evades + blocks + dodges are all active damage mitigation, which require skill and reflex to apply. This is compared to equipping toughness gear, which requires no skill. I don’t think it’s fun to mitigate damage with gear or healing, because it’s a very passive form of play.

We all want harder content, and even harder content that requires more people or more coordination. That part we certainly all agree with! Content which requires toughness or healing power or whatever seems like less fun, since it is not twitchy and active.

Basically: we agree that harder content would be cool, but you’ll find that very many people do not want more Trinity-type mechanics like what you are suggesting.

You know you ~can~ just go play WoW, instead of turning GW2 into WoW, yes? Action combat is the point. 10 man action combat could be interesting, but these suggestions about unavoidable damage are contrary to the heart of the game.

IrisTheCasual.3742:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

My elementalist is excited to go back to the mediocrity it was before LH builds and Firey fun sword was discovered.

Back then I was kicked a lot. But that might not have been my class that did that. :-\

When the FGS fix happens, elementalists will be phased out of pug ‘meta’ as well. Poor ele.

The normal DPS is still nice even without FGS, so I expect them to stick around.

But hey, this is what alts are for! And you get more princesses to dress up too.

Everyone gets their turn to be meta, I guess!

Except necros. Sorry spoj.

hendo.1940:

I can’t wait for the days that I stop seeing the word “heavies” on LFG.

On the other hand, that same day mesmers will probably be phased out of the pug meta just like they mostly are in dungeon guilds.

Poor mesmers

Xyonon.3987:

The best way to use warden is to cast sword 3, summon warden, sword 3 for aoe root. Then you are melee and can attack until root is off, they got aggro on you, you can blurr til warden has done it’s damage.

Nice suggestion on the immob, I hadn’t thought of it like that before.

Wethospu.6437:

There aren’t that many sources of Critical Damage so pretty much every profession gets hit same (13-15% fully buffed).

If you want to reach 25%+ you also have to include stacking sigil nerf.

If you still stack one at a time, and have the other sigil with Night/Force/whatever, it might not be ~that~ bad. But it would take much longer to get to full stacks, which is very annoying.

System refers throughout the post as the LFG system, I"m pretty sure. Or maybe I’m hoping too much.

The only way to get rid of skipping is the CoE solution, as has been pointed out. When mobs are rewarding to kill, they’ll get killed.

Finally, we’ve improved the support for guild members in the system and made some improvements on the back end to reduce opportunities for griefing.

Jeremlloyd.6837:

maxinion.8396:

Anyway, nice run DD! Very cool run. This beat’s SC’s CMp1 run by 4 seconds, so it seems to be the fastest dungeon record at the moment!

Well you probably mean CM p3. Anyway we have a 3:29 CM P3 recorded as well but since it wasn’t that good, we didn’t post it

Ah, whoops, I was even looking at gwscr but just wrote that wrong.

Anyway, nice run DD! Very cool run. This beat’s SC’s CMp1 run by 4 seconds, so it seems to be the fastest dungeon record at the moment!

DnT is also pretty good at rushing into walls, so probably not.

I think the question is “what side of the enemy will it spawn on.” This seems somewhat random to me… it’s not always the closest point between me and my enemy (can sometimes appear to spawn on almost the opposite side, for example). Would be nice if it was always closest point to you, so you could more quickly hide in the reflection.

Fluffball.8307:

I’m almost positive this has been answered before but there is no search on the forums…

Is it better to use skill 4 and drop it or to use a few attacks and then use a second skill 4?

You drop it after the first use, right? Aside from weird things like specific dungeons; I’m talking DPS.

Drop it right after 4. Maybe a 3 in some situations, or a 5 if you need a freeze.

IrisTheCasual.3742:

Well, until I am able to get my old account back, please allow me to present you the next challenge:

3. The Legendary Mark T-B34RC3 in all paths of CoE. This guys is one interesting opponent. Taken off wiki:
- He has 4 turrets, Retaliation, Cleansing, Regeneration, and Protection.
- A one-hit-KO purple projectile
- A stun aoe which looks like Lightning field
- A whirling knock back attack.

How would you deal with him in your regular groups/ pug groups/ groups with and without reflections? Please do share your experience.

I normally run s/f on him + LH on him. He’s annoying to stand behind because of the spins, which make it difficult to figure out which way he’s facing when he’s done with it.

With a good group that has its reflections organized (wardens + walls + feedbacks), I just full DPS with LH. If it’s clear the group isn’t working properly, you can drop in swirling winds to your rotation (offset from Obsidian Flesh) to provide ~12 additional seconds of immunity to the one-shot.

There are definitely fights where FGS is typical and not impressive. A 5 person FGS on Alphard would probably be fairly boring as well. But with no mesmers/guardians to provide 100% reflection uptime, preventing the projectiles consistently enough to be able to DPS this fast is pretty impressive. Nice work~

Doing several 30-level runs since patch, no dredge so far. Maybe you took them all for us? Your sacrifice is appreciated!

Dalanor.5387:

layzoe.6035:

deSade.9437:

Sundar.1735:

Because in most cases, taking 5 warriors IS the most efficient way to play, especially in PUG’s. Maybe 4 warriors and 1 guard/mes/ele/thief, depending on the content you are doing. But damage wise nothing beats 5 wars.

Whaaat. Aha. Seems like pugs are still stuck with the “meta” of almost 1 year ago.
/laugh

Well, it does take time for information to trickle down unless you have the resource on hand to gain it I am pretty certain that most pugs don’t visit the dungeon forum. These specialized type of info such as meta are obtainable by doing research which most do not bother with unless it becomes common knowledge.

Until the perception and reality won’t change from “press1 until stuff dies”, this won’t change either.

plz go press 1 on mossman, lupi, and alpha

kthx

You’re going to go broke buying transmutation charges, Lilith.

Sola.7250:

The problem is the Dungeon designs are nothing but, a gold run, kill boss 1,2,3 get your reward. This won’t stop until Anet re-designs Dungeons with random Bosses with random locations, and make players find loot (hidden random locations) VS. just rewarding it.

Scavenger hunts, even better than dungeons!

Txor.6817:

Hello, another returning mesmer here checking for state of the game.
Interested in the 0/30/0/25/15 builds that Hendo has been talking about, a couple of questions to check for advise.
How would you advise of going 0/25/0/25/20 in order to take phantasmal haste, is it worth in terms of damage increase if i am not planning on loading on mantras in utility slots?
Maybe even 0/20/0/30/20 as the 25 in duelist doesn’t do much, besides the extra precision and critical, and the 30 in inspiration can allow me to take useful traits such as both glamour traits or compounding celerity.
Any thoughts about both options?

If you absolutely refuse mantras, then 10/20/0/25/15 is best probably. It’s still a large DPS loss, but anything else would be an even larger loss.

Spoj The Second.7680:

So rT guild chat is filled with giggling little girls thanks to the wardrobe blog. Were all casuals at heart.

pretty princess simulator has leveled up!

-“dps build”
-dolyak signet
-shake it off
-greatsword + rifle

wat

yayuuu.9420:

IrisTheCasual.3742:

maxinion.8396:

Rentapest.6503:

Airo.3860:

I just started with PvE and after few hours of playing it, I am speechless. In every single dung i met ppl who are just running and ignoring tons of mobs. They dont care if they die, like 30×. They just run and trying to avoid. WTF is dat? there is absolutly no reward for killing them? Its worth to avoid 50% of dung? I am almost sure, killing it would be faster then trying to run like mindless npc.
but fighting with bosses is even better – bug or nothing. I can understand, everybody is trying to use glitchies and bugs in their favor. But this is just wrong.
Pve is about how to not pve.
This game cannot be kittened as this. Nothing can. (except legue of legends)

Do you know why people do this? Because there are no Tanks/Healers in the game! Simple.

PvP is great without Tanks and Healers because everyone is more balanced, that is how this game seems to be designed.

PvE however, cannot function without Tank, Healer and DPS triangle. It’s just dumb to think you can send 5 players with no survival in to a dungeon and expect them to tank a boss.

As a sollution, for PvE dungeons, players should receive a buff that drastically increases their toughness, vitality and healing. This should make dungeons more playable for those of us that aren’t wanting to use exploits or reroll as Warr/Guard.

lmao

you do realize a full cleric’s team can beat dungeons with literally zero dodging, right? just literally standing there taking damage.

toughness is plenty powerful, but super duper slow— that’s why people don’t use it.

Full clerics team in fractals. No dodge allowed.

Cleric / Magi AC Spider solo with only autoattack and no dodges ;P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNMltxyvAvo

hottttt

Sundar.1735:

Purple Miku.7032:

Sundar.1735:

OldSomalia.6180:

It is a statistical obligation that certain things will always be the individual “best”; the real err is in the pug logic of assuming that stacking those individualist “bests” — heavies only — will be even more optimum, instead of diversifying for more party buffs since it is no longer an individual crusade. They don’t try to compliment each other all all. They’re just stacking ketchup and meanwhile mustard is pretty kitten nice.

The idea is so encompassing that not even saying “heavies only”, but posting “DPS only,” results in far too many 5 warrior teams, and it hurts.

So the epidemic is not an epidemic of class imbalance, it’s an epidemic of practicing stupidity. But that’s why they’re pugs! It’s like a warm-up for hard mode (if they ever get around to it).

But what’s the point in diversifying to get different (not necessarily more) buffs when you can just take 5 warriors and faceroll everything before enemies have a chance to do any damage? Sure it’s more fun but when people are running dungeons for money or achievements they want to be as efficient as possible.

Then why are you insinuating that people looking for efficiency should be taking more than 2 warriors? You’re contradicting yourself. I know you don’t want people to be taking heavies only but what you said implies that you believe it’s efficient to stack up a team with warriors.

I usually leave a team if it has more than 1 other warrior aside from me (for FotM). It’s so wasteful to NOT have an ele, a guard, a mesmer, or a thief.

As far as dungeons are concerned it’s the same thing. You only want two warriors because it’s a pain in the butt to carry two banners and pugs are bad at helping with that.

Because in most cases, taking 5 warriors IS the most efficient way to play, especially in PUG’s. Maybe 4 warriors and 1 guard/mes/ele/thief, depending on the content you are doing. But damage wise nothing beats 5 wars.

lolz

You’re about 9 months out of date, buddy. Guard / ele/ thief / ranger all bring more damage/ party support than extra warriors. The optimal setup calls for one warrior tops these days, maybe two.

Hackuuna.4085:

The absolute best fractal group I’ve ever been in was ele, thief, mesmer, guardian, warrior. I was kicked once from a fractal that wanted full zerk because I had knights armor with zerk everything else. It’s their loss, since I know I would be the highest dps player in the group by a long shot, but their choice to make.

errrrrrrrrrr

I mean, knight’s is fine I guess, but claiming that it’s highest DPS is srs lulz

Dying laughing over here. A+++ dlonie et al.

One thing’s for sure, the community is pretty flippin’ great.

On topic: new water 30 trait = monks???

Lue.6538:

Pyroathiest.4168:

Not accurate even in the slightest.

The PvE meta has never used shatter, and I doubt it ever will. It’s a 0/30/0/25/15 or 10/30/0/20/10 phantasm builds using sword/sword+sword/focus for the most part.

Like I said, from what I’ve observed in the vast majority of blobs in the recent month, most mesmers are running with a GS followed up with a sword offhand for the swordsman.

Quite afew shatter mesmers aswell lately, and mind you, back in the earlier iterations of Citadel of Flame farming, mesmers ran shatter so it was most definitly part of the PvE “meta”, if it is now? Maybe not, I don’t have any numbers on the subject.

Just because PUGs run it doesn’t mean it’s good. Shatter is baaad in PvE, and so is GS. Pyro’s post is correct. If you care for the best builds for mesmer right now, use s/f + s/s with 10/30/0/20/10 or 0/30/0/25/15. The former has slightly more damage, the latter has slightly faster phant cooldowns.

Edit: nice post from hendo as well~ All correct points.

(the misunderstanding is here:

if you view it from a string theory POV where there are an infinite number of strings ( parallel universes ) in which anything that can happen has happened, every time you decide to go left in some other universe you decided to go right or even backwards.

not every possibility happens— only every quantum possibility. you making a decision to turn left or right is not a quantum effect. so schroëdinger’s cat is both alive and dead, because that is a quantum mechanical system, but you don’t go both left and right, because you are not.)

IrisTheCasual.3742:

maxinion.8396:

Rentapest.6503:

Airo.3860:

I just started with PvE and after few hours of playing it, I am speechless. In every single dung i met ppl who are just running and ignoring tons of mobs. They dont care if they die, like 30×. They just run and trying to avoid. WTF is dat? there is absolutly no reward for killing them? Its worth to avoid 50% of dung? I am almost sure, killing it would be faster then trying to run like mindless npc.
but fighting with bosses is even better – bug or nothing. I can understand, everybody is trying to use glitchies and bugs in their favor. But this is just wrong.
Pve is about how to not pve.
This game cannot be kittened as this. Nothing can. (except legue of legends)

Do you know why people do this? Because there are no Tanks/Healers in the game! Simple.

PvP is great without Tanks and Healers because everyone is more balanced, that is how this game seems to be designed.

PvE however, cannot function without Tank, Healer and DPS triangle. It’s just dumb to think you can send 5 players with no survival in to a dungeon and expect them to tank a boss.

As a sollution, for PvE dungeons, players should receive a buff that drastically increases their toughness, vitality and healing. This should make dungeons more playable for those of us that aren’t wanting to use exploits or reroll as Warr/Guard.

lmao

you do realize a full cleric’s team can beat dungeons with literally zero dodging, right? just literally standing there taking damage.

toughness is plenty powerful, but super duper slow— that’s why people don’t use it.

Full clerics team in fractals. No dodge allowed.

Love it, hadn’t seen that one.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

maxinion.8396:

Any thoughts on my warrior ? Looking for advice on the shoulders in particular.

Thanks!

Tier 3 shoulders for norn might look nice

Hah, that was one of my options back when I was first creating this outfit (but I was saving up money and didn’t want to spend it yet). I’ll check out how it looks, thanks~

You only get one reward per 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, 41-50 per day (this might be offset by one, I forget exactly).

Rentapest.6503:

Airo.3860:

I just started with PvE and after few hours of playing it, I am speechless. In every single dung i met ppl who are just running and ignoring tons of mobs. They dont care if they die, like 30×. They just run and trying to avoid. WTF is dat? there is absolutly no reward for killing them? Its worth to avoid 50% of dung? I am almost sure, killing it would be faster then trying to run like mindless npc.
but fighting with bosses is even better – bug or nothing. I can understand, everybody is trying to use glitchies and bugs in their favor. But this is just wrong.
Pve is about how to not pve.
This game cannot be kittened as this. Nothing can. (except legue of legends)

Do you know why people do this? Because there are no Tanks/Healers in the game! Simple.

PvP is great without Tanks and Healers because everyone is more balanced, that is how this game seems to be designed.

PvE however, cannot function without Tank, Healer and DPS triangle. It’s just dumb to think you can send 5 players with no survival in to a dungeon and expect them to tank a boss.

As a sollution, for PvE dungeons, players should receive a buff that drastically increases their toughness, vitality and healing. This should make dungeons more playable for those of us that aren’t wanting to use exploits or reroll as Warr/Guard.

lmao

you do realize a full cleric’s team can beat dungeons with literally zero dodging, right? just literally standing there taking damage.

toughness is plenty powerful, but super duper slow— that’s why people don’t use it.

Mantras are already very, very good (in PvE at least). This all sounds quite unlikely and difficult to balance.

The extra burst of x/d is pretty negligible compared to the main contributions from the d/x. In addition, the fire field from x/f lasts a whole lot longer, and that can be very important for blasts/might stacking.

Any thoughts on my warrior ? Looking for advice on the shoulders in particular.

Thanks!

Stacking works best when everyone is doing DPS + control (aegis + blinds), since that way you can kill things before they get to you. Since you’re running a healing build, your party is already at 80% of possible DPS, and since likely everyone is isn’t full zerker either, you’re probably at a much lower total percentage.

When DPS is low, stacking can be hard, since you’ll run out of aegis + blinds + heals + dodges before the mobs are dead, and then you’ll all die.

The solution is to raise DPS (the approach of most people on this forum) or don’t stack.

Thanks to Lilith for pointing out the FAQ on this— I tried to outline there the advantages of stacking/LOS, but it really does work best with DPS oriented groups.

Edit: ++ to lazy as well, good points.

Well, you can get a good bottle of wine anywhere. But a good bottle of wine for 5 Euro? That’s much easier in France.

Enaretos.8079:

I’m French and from Bordeaux :>
Just sayin’

I’m in France for work now, and I gotta say, your wine is the best part about it.

bloodfanger.4386:

For heavens sake could you please get rid of “Merge Partys” – In my eyes all this tool does is cause frustration for those either selling paths or groups of friends that eg. 3man a dung to the end get someone on the LFG then they merge chucking you out. As i said i dont feel as if this is a benificial thing to be in the LFG tool. Im requesting that this is removed and hope that others would agree with me.

everyone agrees with you

anet knows about it and hasn’t done anything for months

all is vain

Tarug.7369:

Ah, it’s been a while since we had one of these. Thank you, OP! The dungeon forum wouldn’t be complete without a thread complaining about dungeon selling in the first page!

I’ve honestly missed it!

http://i.imgur.com/bxrTEvW.jpg (from dulfy)

Holy crap. They’re fixing the FGS 4 + blink— but they’re not fixing FGS 4 against the wall.

Seems like we have an official ruling on this one. Goodbye thief on speedruns.

Ephemeral.5409:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/runes-sigils-and-balance-updates/

“On-Kill sigils (those sigils which trigger when you kill something) have received an update as well. The functionality of each sigil has changed so that killing a player is worth five stacks of a sigil in any game mode, while killing a monster only grants one stack. This type of sigil will have more strict rules applied on them, so that a player will no longer be able to gain 25 stacks and then un-equip the sigil.”

GG stacking weapons

Noooooooooooooo

Purple Miku.7032:

I actually got kicked at the end of my Arah P3 solo that I was giving out for free because I was in berserker gear. Two people stalk my stream and wait for any opportunity to arise like that and they threaten to forever kick me from my instances unless I “stop exploiting by running past mobs (they think that if you don’t kill every mob in Arah, you’re cheating) with meta gear and encouraging toxic gameplay.”

Not even kidding lol.

worst. people. ever.

I vote using this as the fractal leaderboard

kyubi.3620:

You peoples are way to strict for nothing… Idk if its because you guys are on europe or something but on NA we dont kick people just for using hound of baltazar or a non meta build. Again if you join a team that says ‘’meta only’’ its prety obvious in the title that you aint supose to use anything but the meta, as such dont bother joining those people and just pug it with random people, especialy if its a dungeon because your prety much not saving any time joining those team anyway.

Quickest way to get a dungeon done? Post lfm ’’dungeon’’ in the lfg take the 4 first randomer you find and do it simple as that, dungeons by default are so easy it doesnt take an asura Genius to complete (forgive the pun my fellow asura) within half the time it wouldve take that full zerker team to even get assembled in the first place. Builds dont define one skills its the actual ability to play it right and get things done that do and if you think running HoB is what your confortable with there is no reason why you shouldnt be able to.

kitten stop speaking for NA like you know everyone here, and stop generalizing EU as all meta running kittens. Half the people posting in this thread calling Hounds stupid are from NA.

Anyway, OP, I would lol if I saw Hounds and roll my eyes, especially since guardians have a really nice real option for an elite. Super over the top to kick for it, but if it was an advertised speed run, it’s a bit rude to use silly things when the expectation is high performance.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

maxinion.8396:

Preview feature, have you heard of it?

Also, dungeon forum new forum for fashion. Look at what you’ve done, Lilith and Iris!

Juggernaut’s effect does not show in preview.

And this was obviously the best choice of forums to infect.

I stand corrected! But I knew you would know, which is why I summoned you here. >.>