Guild Wars 2

Ive tried this build and even with dire gear etc works fine in giving insta 30plus bleeds. However it is a bit squishy and cc susceptible. But so fun when it works?

PierPiero.9142:

spvp is much more tactic aware than wvw. In spvp there are 3 big components : player mechanic, player rotation on the map and team coordinations . In wvw, if you roam you have only player mechanic : i win if i am better of my opponent or if i am a counter ( in rare cases when fights are balanced in number ) , if you go behind a zerg … the only thing that makes the difference is numbers …. the biggest one usually wins …

Ill pretend i didnt just read this…

EremiteAngel.9765:

Hey Helly. Nothing against your vid. I enjoyed it too.
Was just using it as an example to show zombie that if his opponents are similar to the ones in your vid, then really we aren’t talking on a similar platform to begin with.

And to zombie, what server r u on? I am thinking of changing servers so perhaps I could roam and learn from you.

Honestly, the only necro I have been impressed with in terms of skills is holt’s videos on YouTube. I’ve also been impressed with Flow and Hesacon advices. What they have said previously had changed my way of building and playing as a necro a lot. Other than them, I’ve not seen a better necro video in terms of skills.

Maybe if u have seen any, you could link it for me. Thanks!

Holtz videos are fun indeed but they have the same issue you were saying. Many of his oponents are below average and specially with that build of his the sustain is really not that great and susceptible CC and being kited. I have my toon on gandara and another in blackgate you can duel me if you wamt to check how my build works on me also flow is really good on necro much more experienced than i am.

Helly.2597:

miguelsil.6324:

I dont think the build is broken. Whats broken is the viper trail gear etc. I made the build with exotic gear buyable on TP and it s very efective but not nearly as broken as many power builds on some classes or condi thiefs mesmers etc.

Meh if viper is broken then idk what condition set people don’t think is broken. It’s legit no defensive stats. TB and Dire are broken for sure in WvW though.

As for comments regarding the skill level of the opponents, I’d invite anyone to post videos and show me more skilled players in WvW. I don’t post many 1v1s in my videos because of the skill gap making it trivial usually with the exception of warriors and their stances. If people want one video every five weeks of maybe slightly more skilled opponents they’re welcome to do that.

I make the videos to showcase a build that is fun to play and to comment on the fact that having an instant burst with 25 stacks of bleed and the ability to solo stack 45+ isn’t sustainable in a PvP gamemode.

That being said, I would love to see more necros producing videos showing outnumbered fights akin to the ones I have since I imagine most people might have issues with 1v3+ situations that are being used as examples for how bad my opponents are. At a certain point it doesn’t matter how bad your opponents are when they outnumber you by 2-4 and you are solo.

Videos only reflect the current skill level in WvW. I can’t change that. I can only choose my clips to try and showcase skill and what not despite that. And the only way to do that is through outnumbered fights.

Regarding ur videos and build i emjoy them alot just made a reference that without that new hot gear the build itself isnt that broken and maybe anet is taking that into consideration.

Btw would reaper runes work aswell? Or what other runes u sugest?

I dont think the build is broken. Whats broken is the viper trail gear etc. I made the build with exotic gear buyable on TP and it s very efective but not nearly as broken as many power builds on some classes or condi thiefs mesmers etc.

EremiteAngel.9765:

miguelsil.6324:

Except for ghost thiefs i do just fine. Also for less damage and more sustain even use those damage reduction when stuned plus less condi duration. Also you if u think its not good enough use trooper runes. With trooper i dont even care about condi thiefs. Or switch to the condi removal heall. U can opt between these. But for me this works best since full shout allows me to get at least 60 to 70% shroud alnost instantly so shroud works in absorbing condi damage if needed.

I tried your build with a slight variation of your traits/utilities and am loving it.
Thanks for sharing! <3

Glad you enjoyed it. What i like most is the fact that i dont get one shoted out of shroud or outside anymore and have a lot of stun breaks.

With so many more important urgent needs you complain about estetics? New hair really?

Except for ghost thiefs i do just fine. Also for less damage and more sustain even use those damage reduction when stuned plus less condi duration. Also you if u think its not good enough use trooper runes. With trooper i dont even care about condi thiefs. Or switch to the condi removal heall. U can opt between these. But for me this works best since full shout allows me to get at least 60 to 70% shroud alnost instantly so shroud works in absorbing condi damage if needed.

Dude i posted in a another thread about roaming this build i ve made. And so far its the best one for sustain plus decent power damage mobility healls etc
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBhOD7kZTodTscTwbTgeTsQNYxdwSYKUKAMAGWUlgawJA-T1SGQBASNAzoLIJKFKoyg7oEscPAgDcQAGwFA4cbAAgjAwQUyRKgAHZB-w

If you want advice on how to use it send me a pm

Sublimatio.6981:

NeXeD.3042:

Lahmia.2193:

Sublimatio.6981:

no, you can blast/leap for stealth out of combat or during combat whirl for blinding bolts

Seems like a cheap excuse to shoehorn stealth on necro though.

why would you use an elite well out of combat for a few seconds of stealth?

to skip mobs in a dungeon

What a stupid dumb kittened idea… pve only. So majority of game modes ( wvw and pvp) get yet another useless elite.

Toll Booth Willie.6723:

miguelsil.6324:

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No :p i share here.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBhOD7kZTodTscTwbTgeTsQNYxdwSYKUKAMAGWUlgawJA-T1SGQBASNAzoLIJKFKoyg7oEscPAgDcQAGwFA4cbAAgjAwQUyRKgAHZB-w

I ran something like that for a while, though I took CF over US, as i figured the extra toughness was a better option. That and i like to ride the line when it comes to my health at times and i would end up popping out of reaper just after it auto’d me over. Ran a similar build with spite instead of reaper with the necessary changes that was pretty fun as well to play in unranked. Haven’t yet tried it out in WvW yet though.

Ur right. US gets me killed sometimes but saves my kitten much more times.. when i know shroud os ending i pop every shouts to get back LF and the shroud comes up alone and allows me to get healled or survive escape

NeXeD.3042:

miguelsil.6324:

Ive actually made a power build that makes me last a lot and still do good enough damage to everyone and survive quite a some outnumbered fights. Ill share with you if u care to try. Pm me ingame

is it a secret build?

No :p i share here.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBhOD7kZTodTscTwbTgeTsQNYxdwSYKUKAMAGWUlgawJA-T1SGQBASNAzoLIJKFKoyg7oEscPAgDcQAGwFA4cbAAgjAwQUyRKgAHZB-w

Ive actually made a power build that makes me last a lot and still do good enough damage to everyone and survive quite a some outnumbered fights. Ill share with you if u care to try. Pm me ingame

Hammer doesnt hit that hard at all. Mace hits harder in all auto atacks. A f…. huge hammer does less damage than a tiny mace..

All of you that play this build and anet jokers balance team members should get girlfriends in real life. They would be happier and think thing trough before making this mess.

Reduce protection and make it nullify crit hits

When you have classes that can keep u stuned and perma cc like thiefs and warrior mesmers etc its really not fun. After using 3 stun breaks i just get another.

Why s guard runes better with core guard rather than dh?

BeepBoopBop.5403:

miguelsil.6324:

After 4 years someone started crying about this. And been crying for months in so many posts. Enough with thiss already. ANET responded in the latest patch. They are aware accept it or play something else. Thats what i do when im playing a class with no chance against a ghost condi thief for ex.

Because conditions totally haven’t changed since 4 years ago

Remove downstate then. Epi will be nerfed that way and gameplay improved

After 4 years someone started crying about this. And been crying for months in so many posts. Enough with thiss already. ANET responded in the latest patch. They are aware accept it or play something else. Thats what i do when im playing a class with no chance against a ghost condi thief for ex.

I thing that signet should be undefendable and a homing beam. So it would clear condis either ot hit the enemy or not.

“Character selection” after press ESC

Sublimatio.6981:

GS3 should be a leap.

A dash with evade for 600m

Are you really crying about vault? The skill needed more counter than this even so. Evade while doing 3x huge damage is too much.

Ardid.7203:

miguelsil.6324:

Ardid.7203:

Do mesmer and thief really use “rotation” in high play PvP?

Spvp is not the only game mode.

You were talking about beating another class, I assumed it was in some kind of player vs player environment.

My bad. WvW it is. And maybe i expressed myself badly since english is not my main language. But i meant by rotation a combo of skills and utilitys for a short period of time, for ex in a guardian once you ended ur virtues after using elite renewal the DH is dead.

I still think necro lacks alot in mobility and speed atack. Its so hard to land hits and against thief for ex. They strip u off ur stability and kitten you inside RS and outside. If someone has a build that think ota the ultimate one for roaming in wvw and surviving thiefs amd outnumbered fights against decent opponents be my guest to link it because i havent found it yet.

Ardid.7203:

Do mesmer and thief really use “rotation” in high play PvP?

Spvp is not the only game mode.

Inoki.6048:

I’m sure I don’t need to go deep into explaining, that how you counter any class heavily depends on many factors / circumstances, like your position / area of engagement, the number of opponents, the class you play and the skills / traits it offers you to counter with. You will run into trouble when you don’t have access to unblockable attacks or if you play a ranged class whose projectiles are easy to reflect with all the blocks / invuls / reflects the guard / warrior have, especially guards traps that everyone knows – especially those who chose to play it – that the CC + dmg input coming from those traps exceeds reasonable limits and comparing those traps to thief and ranger traps we guessed the winner correctly.

Of course a derogatory statement can only come from someone who chose to play a guard exactly for its simplistic gameplay that requires near zero thinking, making it a class for – that’s right you guessed it – dummies, who are not up for the really taxing challenge – to play a class that actually requires more brainpower than playing a class that almost entirely doesn’t require any skill to play yet still the odds of winning are always great.

I made a Warrior exactly twice, purely for experimentation and after I saw that getting to higher tier PVP with it required almost no effort I deleted it immediately and I refuse to play such classes, which is why I don’t roll a Guardian / Warrior.

Heres my tale on this. I choose guardian as main on beta because i liked the idea of spirit weapons and all that anet promised the class would be. Anet chamged guard since then to be something i didnt agree to but i love the class anyway and its not my fault the way it is now. Now saying guard takes less skill than thief or mesmer etc lemme just say that ive made thief and mesmer for ex to try out the so called hard classes and once i got the builds and rotation practiced they r equally easy. A less experienced dg will loose to me the same way i will loose to thief vs thief against someoneore used to it

Hammer auto faster on 3d hit. Hammer2: 600 leap hammer5: cast while moving. Thats it

Sky.8035:

The increased cast time on Spear of Justice is complete bull.

I use that to pull those chumps in WvW who disengage fights when they know they can’t win. So they nerf our F1, but still keep the ability on classes to jump 1,900+ range in a matter of seconds? Totally balanced right?

If they want to give all of these classes mobility, then they need counters for it.

It also screws with the incorporation of the F1 into rotations that people have been accustomed to for over a year.

Also, can’t forget about breakbars. Some higher level enemies only offer a 1-3 second opportunity to damage their breakbars and that’s not factoring in any form of lag. Some DH builds rely on the F1 to deal that breakbar damage.

This nerf makes absolutely no sense to me.

Dude at first a thought the same. But after a few hours i ve constantly got mpre thiefs tha before. Reason being when a thief jumps into stealth you ready pressed f1 but it will only show animation after and as soon as the thiefs lands on stealth instead of before. So if u see that the f1 conected just reel him in. I believe they will whine even more after this "nerf ".

Actually ANETS lack of interest for wvw is to blame. When you see after years of playing their game and sugesting valid and obvious options (not mine but similar) they keep ignoring what their comunity wants regarding announced changes. Also their fault that the drop rate is stupid, not only me but check the forums and you will see that almost 80% of the people complain about getting sometimes 1 ascended drop in 1000 wvw levels… 1000 man… do you know how many hours months and years it might take someone to achieve this level? I could understand a GARANTEED ascended chest (weapons or armoir never trinkets) every 100levels. That would already make wvw more apealling and not easy to get ascemded at all.

My favorite roaming weapon set is hammer mace focus. As syphon said pick one build weapon and make it work to ur liking. I never see anyone roam with my weapon set or sigils and i must say for me it works very well against everyone but i will lose to experienced players and classes that can outlast me and kite. I disagree with syphon on this aspect, you will be limited to what the class mechanichs can achieve. For ex the best chrono will win against the best DH due to cds burn etc.

lucadiro.4519:

miguelsil.6324:

lucadiro.4519:

miguelsil.6324:

So they will loose people actually because no one wamts to farm and spent hours leveling crafting after 5years of game. I surely never did and might just leave since ascended gear isore for the players with more time on their hand.

You can reach 500 lv with few minutes following a guide and minimize the prize

I saw those guides u speak of and none of them takes less than at least a few hours having to buy stuff and follow the steps. But link me the one u say just takes few minutes if that is true.

Can’t find the One I used when I levels crafting One year ago btw…
http://gw2crafts.net/
Just an example… There are tons of them Everwhere. Maybe they will take more then few minutes but surely less then 1 hour for each profession.
I mean less of One hour (half an hour if you are fast)+ around 20/30gold (depending of profession) to gain archivements (25point if I’m not wrong) + 500lv profession is really worth.

Also even if your are a casual player (I am) and you are here since the game came out I can’t belive that you already dont have 1 or 2 set of ascended amror + weapon.

Well i play since launch quite a bit everyday and just got ONE FULL ASCENDED CHAR because of the spvp reward track. Ddo you wanna know why? Because ANET lack of interest in WvW made it so that in all this year i only got rings out of chests and 1 weapon and 1 piece of armor ( NOT FOR MY CLASS). So you think its still fair after all this time that someone that only plays one game mode alot have the worst access to those gear? Why not buy gear with laurels and heroics for ex?

lucadiro.4519:

miguelsil.6324:

So they will loose people actually because no one wamts to farm and spent hours leveling crafting after 5years of game. I surely never did and might just leave since ascended gear isore for the players with more time on their hand.

You can reach 500 lv with few minutes following a guide and minimize the prize

I saw those guides u speak of and none of them takes less than at least a few hours having to buy stuff and follow the steps. But link me the one u say just takes few minutes if that is true.

You are not alone in this. It is a bad decision on their part.

So they will loose people actually because no one wamts to farm and spent hours leveling crafting after 5years of game. I surely never did and might just leave since ascended gear isore for the players with more time on their hand.

Mine s bigger than yours discussion now?

Thats coz mine was first and has more of a “whine” title

I have the same problem and made a thread about this also…

Boysenberry.1869:

maddoctor.2738:

Can’t wait for the necro “minor fixes”

Leaked Necro changes:
- Necromancer minions now turn on their master after 30 seconds.
- Epidemic now spreads conditions to allies.
- Necromancer base movement speed decreased by 50%.

This made me laugh hard. Thank u

maddoctor.2738:

Can’t wait for the necro “minor fixes”

What minor fixes? Its fairing quite well.

DeanBB.4268:

I’m lost. What exactly is being discussed here?

Check the news and annoucments.

I for one could not care less about crafting at all. And spvp barely gets me there also. Same with pve. So wvw that was already the worst way of getting ascended is going to get even worst.

Or at least if WvW will be adressed regarding some classes and their over the top builds?

… require crafting whatsoever. I refuse to do crafting because i dislike the professions and literaly have NO FUN doing it. Make it so people can get a discount trough crafting said token but not mandatory. We need a WVW ascended vendor for heroics. Many people dont like pve and pvp bores that hell out of them.

Yes regarding this. And on a side note give some atention to WVW. Spvp is the only thing amet cares about. Constant threads and devs posts and concerns here and nothing to show in wvw.

Its down its dead. And thats how it should be period.

Or just remove downstate completly because its stupid. Its down it lost. At most give some rez abilities like other games but with a long cast time and rooted while casting. With big cds just like warrior banner etc.

And weapons buffs debuffs update aswell etc? I think wvw is the most ignored game mode regarding this subject. The amount of broken utilitys and classes in it just lead to boredom and frustration.

GS 1 make it heall on hit for a small amount.
GS 2 make it s single hit for 2k damage that chills for 3sec. Cd12sec
GS3 evade while using and make it a dash that stuns 1 person for 2sec instead of an aoe blind.same cd.
GS4 cast while moving and grant quickness for 3sec.same cd.
GS5 instant pull.same cd.