You would prefer the gw2 model where they don’t make any content except pretty stuff in the cash shop? Yeah, free to play model is SO good /s
Won’t miss your type when CU comes out this year or next.
Well ironically, chances are you’ll be rejoining “my type” soon enough when your precious CU goes f2p 6 months after launch like virtually all the subscription mmos who think they can copy WoW’s success.
Your just displaying your ignorance of CU. How is a purely RvR game trying to copy WoW?
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
You would prefer the gw2 model where they don’t make any content except pretty stuff in the cash shop? Yeah, free to play model is SO good /s
Won’t miss your type when CU comes out this year or next.
Yeah its not even just the cash shop its the gems for golds ability (Diablo 3 got rid of their auction house for a reason). We’re seeing with HOT the increase in grind to keep people in the game more and prompt them to buy gems. Its affecting the whole game now and becoming more prevalent.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Camelot Unchained baby. If you haven’t blown this popsicle stand by then, you will once your friends tell you about it.
Blow this popsicle stand for an MMO that has stated it will be going the monthly subscription route ?
LOL… I don’t blame anyone deciding to jump ship if they’ve had enough (game mode is indeed in it’s death throes), but hell if I’m going back to that obsolete format.
Its not obsolete in fact I think it may make a comeback given the drawbacks of f2p and b2p games. Regardless of that there is also Crowfall which will be b2p.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Not a single full server in NA… not one. There aren’t even enough bandwagon guilds around anymore to even lock out a single one… I know in T4 it’s pretty common to have a cue on EBG and completely empty borderlands. This is not a “problem”, it’s not a temporary “low point”. This is the real death of the game mode… Which the new raid aside, is the ONLY end game content in GW2. Now, I am not including our wonderful Esports… I guess that can be considered end game content.. not for me, but…
I am just shocked that Anet continues with a dreadfully failed development strategy for WvW in light of how catastrophically they have failed… Well at this point, I think they might consider just pulling the new BLs all together and just leave EBG. Even T4 doesn’t have enough people playing WvW to support much more than a single map…
Not only that Colin’s state of the game message has driven away more since then.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Yep with the coming nerfs to mesmer they could think about bringing back the glamour mesmer trait to add more build variety back to the class. But they won’t because confusion is too hard for the average player to deal with and rather than learning they just qq to anet about it hence the original nerf which was unjustified.
Its funny because they claim they want to break up zergs glamour mesmer was the ideal way to do that.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
And ruby queues for both gamemodes continue to go above the 10 min mark whether solo or partied. At this point I am pretty much convinced that all the farming and afks and bunker builds have made people say screw it for the final 10 day stretch.
What? I’m ruby and this weekend have not had a queue more than 4 mins.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Helseth has commented on this reddit thread, see below quote.
LordHelseth:
From my perspective mesmer will be completely unplayable provided that these notes are all the meaningful changes. Similiar to how warrior is in its current state right now, I can’t find a single justified reason to play shatter mesmer in pvp over thief, rev or necro.
Bunker mes is completely dead with quickness rez and alacrity nerf sso shatter is our onl hope. From what I’m theorycrafting shatter will be n such a pitiful state that it wont even be worth playing casually, might aswell reroll thief
It seems to me that arenanet is killing the chrono bunker mesmer because they don’t want ANY iteration of this build in pvp but my question then is what build do they want us to have? Shatter?
One thing that would be great for anet to do is publicize their aims for each class and where they see them so we can at least evaluate the balance changes against their aims.
Thy already did
No they didn’t, 1 or 2 they did talk broadly about but most were just specific statements about this patch.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
DH is good in pvp, I soloed my way to diamond with main DH. ANd now 2 condition removal will be available with 1 skill, that means I will use 2 skills that are good for that, and those skills even do dmg, look out mesmer and ele, DH is more powerful!
Traps losing power though
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Question: how are we supposed to stand against DH now? Less evasion, less armor, same big Ring-o-death. It is going to be too rewarding for DH to press 1 button to insta port to you on point, and another button to instantly poop out a magical trap. Shouldn’t you increase the trap cast time to 1s for all their traps, to balance this out?
This way we can interrupt it, so they can’t get a guaranteed decap on us? With the tanky amulets and evasion we could dodge a few pulses and swallow the others. Now we’ll have no choice but to leave the point.
DHs are having their trap damage nerfed.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Not sure what to say. Updates that are promised to happen BEOFORE the season ends. As for me I am sick of all the salt and losses and brokenness of the elite specs. I will no longer be playing pvp during the season. Something needs to cacth in matchmaking as well…
Interesting that they keep saying matchmaking is fixed but then it proves broken again.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Helseth has commented on this reddit thread, see below quote.
LordHelseth:
From my perspective mesmer will be completely unplayable provided that these notes are all the meaningful changes. Similiar to how warrior is in its current state right now, I can’t find a single justified reason to play shatter mesmer in pvp over thief, rev or necro.
Bunker mes is completely dead with quickness rez and alacrity nerf sso shatter is our onl hope. From what I’m theorycrafting shatter will be n such a pitiful state that it wont even be worth playing casually, might aswell reroll thief
It seems to me that arenanet is killing the chrono bunker mesmer because they don’t want ANY iteration of this build in pvp but my question then is what build do they want us to have? Shatter?
One thing that would be great for anet to do is publicize their aims for each class and where they see them so we can at least evaluate the balance changes against their aims.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Phanta is a great player, but honestly, I’ve never seen him play sth. creative nor have his speculations and build-ideas turned out to be valid all the time. I don’t think his words on this topic should be taken as gospel.
Actually he was pretty much spot on about tempest IIRC.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
At the least, Tyler shed some light on the darkness of what is considered “healthy” and on the darkness of what is considered “intentionlly exclude players”.
^Yes, at this point they’re definitely kitten’d if they do, kitten’d if they don’t.
He shed some light on how out of touch they are. So why should the overhaul be any different.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Because in “my story” ANET is deathly afraid that the commander would never have bothered to run a public tag in the first place if they already had the majority of their guild following the tag already. They are afraid that WvW will turn into Maps where you have giant Guild blobs running around unseen by the lowly pugs whose only wish is to enjoy part of what makes wvw so much fun.
Those servers will die I know of 2 servers that its essentially what happened to them. By necessity servers have to have some commanders running public
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
I’m actually pretty ok with all those changes and I agree sneaky had to be tuned down a bit. But 30-35s would be ok imo, so you still can use it in PvE properly.
Toolkit being too strong and now buffed? :| What about Medkit? Other “useless” or bugged traits? Especially some improvement in scrapper traits.
And most of all – where are our gyro changes?
If they are going to nerf sneak gyro so much how about improving its movement so it doesn’t get stuck on terrain changes and responds much faster to our movement.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
If Dragonhunter traps are nerfed to the ground because you can click your whole bar and wipe 5 people out in Amber, that wouldn’t be considering the high skill level, for example.
Maybe they don;t think traps should do that much damage regardless. But obviously if they nerf traps they have to buff other abilities
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
So you think Mesmer is fine in its current state where it causes a meta that forces matches where neither team can even gain any points at all for up to several minutes? A class and build that causes teams to rage quit from tournaments with actual prizes? Or the fact that Well of Precog utterly breaks Stronghold mechanics?
Yeah no, Mesmer isn’t fine. There’s a bunch of things wrong with PvP at the moment and Mesmer has plunked its bottom down at the top of the list.
Top of the list? No. But yes, res mechanics were broken (not Chrono’s fault), Chrono bunker is a tough nut (but hardly the toughest), and the problems in PvP are many.
Top of the list is Bunker Tempest, hands down.
Don’t see how given its less used than the cele D/D was used in the previous meta.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
We’ve avoided adding this feature because we don’t believe it would be healthy for WvW. While we can appreciate why some players would want a feature like this, lots of other players only engage in WvW when, upon entering a WvW map, immediately see a commander icon to follow. We try and avoid adding features that can be used to intentionally exclude other players.
The fact is guilds exclude players anyway. If it could be made invisible it would actually lead to less bad feelings if anything. It just seems like you’re making a unilateral decision about how you think the game should be played and ignoring the reality of the game.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
As more guilds get all the tactivator upgrades it just gets more and more kittened in particular in favour of defence. The end point of all this is that it is going to be much harder for attackers to get supply as a result its going to be much harder to siege and eventually its going to be ridiculously hard for any major objectives to change hands, and guilds will stop trying to take them at all.
Its not just the banners, all supply camps last night we hit had the guild upgrade that deletes supply when you take it leaving almost no supply.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
The change to long queue times went out last night, so this is the result of that. The search range is clearly expanding too much, so we’ll reconfigure it to be a tighter search again.
That fix was meant to have been implemented by now. Here’s Evan’s follow up message:
“Configs have been updated. There should be less of a spread in ladder positions now.
Part of the reason this is happening is because this season matches on both MMR and ladder position. Someone could have a lower ladder position, but have a very high MMR. Since they have to sit around a long time waiting for close MMR players, their ladder search range is also increasing at the same time.”
Curse you Anet, your state of the game update have pretty much made people in the guilds I run with download other games. They’re now branching into other games, and we all know that simply leads to less GW2 playtime, and less money spent in GW2…and eventually guilds breaking up because people are going to be playing everything other than GW2. We’re now losing commander coverage on a T1 server due to lack of fights & action, and players are dropping like flies in multiple guilds. Amazing how you could do all that with 1 post. People seriously expected better, people thought you were going to finally give us some good news with WvW. People thought big changes were coming soon, as in Q1 2016…not end of the year 2016. People stuck around for the good news, only to be disappointed yet again.
This is pretty sad, even if the overhaul is good there won’t be anyone left to play it.
Exactly 1 year ago someone claimed t1 was dead. if it was dead a year ago wouldn’t we all be gone by now??
Not saying its dead now (although its on life support now) I’m saying by the time the overhaul comes, which will be what 9 months, it will be if it keeps going down the same path.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
I want to see a proper test of the effect of the changes so we can actually get some idea of how it will affect large group fighting, but this is apparently not going to happen. They should have done a test like they did a year ago when they put some changes in for a few weeks.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
After the disastrous reaction to the state of the game post one thing anet could do to try and mollify people is move the reset back to its original date and time immediately.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Curse you Anet, your state of the game update have pretty much made people in the guilds I run with download other games. They’re now branching into other games, and we all know that simply leads to less GW2 playtime, and less money spent in GW2…and eventually guilds breaking up because people are going to be playing everything other than GW2. We’re now losing commander coverage on a T1 server due to lack of fights & action, and players are dropping like flies in multiple guilds. Amazing how you could do all that with 1 post. People seriously expected better, people thought you were going to finally give us some good news with WvW. People thought big changes were coming soon, as in Q1 2016…not end of the year 2016. People stuck around for the good news, only to be disappointed yet again.
This is pretty sad, even if the overhaul is good there won’t be anyone left to play it.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
On DH just because they are able to be handled at the higher level of PvP doesn’t mean that their traps aren’t doing too much damage. But one would hope that they get buffed in other areas.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
This is because forfeits (not losing points with teammate disconnects) are effectively disabled while we fix the dishonor false positives that were happening much more frequently than actual disconnects.
When will this change be made? To players it doesn’t seem right that you;e made the changes to mmr and to fix smurfing but you haven’t fixed this yet.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
As has been noted in other threads this is a consequence of widening the mmr range to go with the fix to prevent smurfing. Also as noted in other threads there were other ways of fixing smurfing that maybe wouldn’t have necessitated widening the mmr range.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
I am playing only soloq thief, could you please do anything about this?
Cause it’s hard enough to play without bugs like this ( i really hope it’s a bug, or some1 don’t understand a few things ).
Its not meant to happen but the functionality to prevent it has been turned off. However I can’t believe they made the other changes and haven’t fixed this yet.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
This is why I told everyone when they proposed their solution to the exploit issue that the proposed change is terrible.
As i said in multiple threads allready. Why try to reinvent the wheel when you can copy paste excisting and functioning systems?
It already seems to be clear that anet need to bite the bullet and use a system like you’ve suggested. I thought at the time its what they should do and its been borne out. Season 2 could end up being a disaster.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Well maybe it wasn’t Devon, but someone at Anet must have understood why stability needed to function that way when they designed it.
The original designers are most probably not at anet any more. Remember Devon was only put in charge of WvW months after launch. Habib was the guy at launch and for months who was the face of WvW development.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
1) LOL, welcome to real software development. You probably never compliment how well everything else in this game works or acknowledge how much it is tested. When everything works, no one even notices. As soon as something breaks or doesn’t work as well as expected people rage real hard.
Comparing GW2 testing to other games its testing is manifestly inadequate because it doesn’t have a proper test client.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Well the Stability changes came around the time Devon left, so they probably didn’t have 1 person left at Anet understanding the negative impact of that stability change for WvW. They ended up with PvP devs deciding of all the changes for the game, and WvW suffered greatly from it. How many skills, boons and traits, fine-tuned for PvP are now completely useless in WvW?
C’mon Devon never demonstrated any great understanding of WvW. IIRC stab changes came with the balance patch that enabled us to use 3 traitlines fully, I’m pretty sure Devon was still there then.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
Although back to the issue at hand, I’m surprised people haven’t realized that group of 30 huddled together in a tower that are just jumping out to (badly) gank their uplevel tail and run back in aren’t really looking for good fights regardless of system and perhaps wading into those red circles while futilely screaming for a ballista to be built only to realize that some kitten has perfectly placed a catapult on the stairs that can’t be hit makes it just a quite a masochistic experience.
I’ve just been through too many staring contests and decided, well, there’s something better to do with my life. Or ask some poor soul to treb them. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, really.
YB lives for those moments.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
It likely means they read this forum and read reactions to proposed changes and now are going back to rethink it.
This is a good thing.
RIP EoTM Megaserver WvW. So glad we never met.
Plenty of people want an alliance system like a server alliance system. If it was going to be like EOTM then it would have fallen over overnight but if they were looking at something like that I would question whether they are fit to develop anything.
Problem is now the delays are just going to put WvW in a worse place. The decline is just getting worse.
Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro
lets just wait and see. i think ele can still work, the big buff to Diamond skin helps a lot too.
