ANet already somewhat has this with fractals, and is trying to do it with the living story. The problem from the player perspective is there’s not enough content.
I would dispute that. IMHO there is enough content factoring in sPVP and WvW along with the fortnightly PvE updates to not have these treadmills.
If there was a drop off of players prior to ascended weapons I rather think the issue is the lack of quality of the living world updates rather than there not being enough content. Adding in this cynical artificial treadmill is just the easy way out.
Has ANet explained the reasoning behind this design choice?
In Gw2, Anet only rarely explains anything (and if they do, they often use marketing speech that doesn’t hold any useful info). They definitely avoid explaining anything that is connected to ascended gear. So no, we don’t know the reason for this design.
Yet they are trying to be collaborative. Hopefully the ascended weapons is one of the fuuture topics.
The trading post should be a utility, not a game.
I believe they should be allowed to continue to use the TP as their “battleground” if that’s the experience they enjoy in the game.
The issue at debate here is really over what it means to “play” Guild Wars 2. Some view the game as fighting/exploring only, and thus that the TP is but a means to facilitate this form of playing. Others see GW2 as a sandbox world in which everything interactive can/should be pushed, pulled, and toyed with, including the trading post. Herein lies the debate.
Its clearly not a sandbox which is the crux of the issue. If it was a sandbox there would be no argument, players are presented with a world and are free to make their own content out of the world. This is not GW2 and ohoni very succinctly summarises in his sentence above how many of us believe the TP should operate in the theme park game that GW2 is. Plus there’s the way that anet ‘manipulates’ supply and demand.
But because this is an inclusive game with a large player base, everyone needs to realize that each aspect really does make the other parts of the game more enjoyable, and Anet deserves commendation for creating such a functionally interconnected and dynamic world. Having fun “playing” the TP requires others to go out into the game world and “earn” loot drops. Conversely, a liquid and dynamic trading post makes “playing” the open world more fun, by allowing easy access to almost any good or item.
I have access to almost any good or item in other theme park mmos where the TP is just a utility.
And at the end of the day, the point here is to have fun, correct? Why not let both TP and open-world players have their fun, so long as neither is actively harming the other? Because, if you think about it, both open-world and trading-post gameplay are just different ways of pushing different buttons on the keyboard. Those who spend time mastering combos and professions and learning engagements are rewarded with achievements and drops. Those who spend time studying markets and mastering the TP interface are (and should be) rewarded as well.
As an economic simulator the TP isn’t a good one though, the UI is poor and doesn’t offer nearly enough in the way of information.
EQN has shown nothing that would provide evidence of it being a superior game. Combat trailers have shown incredibly boring, stationary combat with the same weak, barely customizable skill system as Guild Wars 2.
40 something classes and players can get access to all of them on 1 character, this fact alone sounds like it will be quite customisable.
They’ve already stated plans to release every weapon to every class – or close to it.
Got a link for that? They’d better get to it if they plan to do that.
because if so at your first few drops you would be done with the ascended farming and i think they want you busy with those as long as possible so you can start over with armor.
The rate at which they drop that would take months if not years. I haven’t had a single one drop since their introduction.
So why aren’t there multiple pathways to getting these items? I mean from the start. From release. When Legendary/Ascended Weapons were released, there should have been a WvW method of getting them, or some sort of equivalent.
And the ability to sell a drop which has stats you don’t use. Its utterly absurd.
For WvW I would really like to see them drop when getting credit for keep/tower/camp take vs damage to the champion. If players are in a real battle when taking garrison for example with a lot of defenders, players need to go up on ramps to take out AC’s fight the defenders in all areas of the keep etc. meanwhile some players need to take down the Lord. Unfortunately only the players hitting the lord get the ore and stars
Everyone is needed for the full keep take, everyone should get the reward. May be a technical reason tying the drops to the Lord, but would be nice if all got rewarded for the hard (potentially) work
100% agree.
If people are too lazy to go earn ranks, that’s their problem. There’s nothing wrong with these buffs.
Nothing to do with being lazy.
Yes there is something wrong with these buffs.
Power creep is bad for the game. Individual stat buffs are bad for the game.
I agree with this in principal but given the classes I mostly play in WvW are the 2 lowest base health classes I just like to look on it as a way of overcoming these balancing problems which it seems are not going to be addressed in the rest of the game.
You don’t like long, repetitive grind. You don’t like RNG. I hypothesize that the precursor hunt is most likely going to be the former.
Yes but given the choice I prefer grind to RNG which is line with my original comment, and grind doesn’t have to be as repetitive as the champ farms are.
BG worked their kitten off when you got IRON.
BG also never gave up when our SEA/OCX was having issues when MERC left.
History being rewritten I see, BG have had weeks where they’ve given up, the current situation is a bit different because its the league extending across 7 weeks.
So for us it definitely seems something changed in your mentality. You guys were able to compete in some of the current weak time zones before, for example like late NA early oceanic, BG has not got any new guilds in this time zone, and yet you guys don’t even put up a fight now while previously you guys were able to compete whenever you try. .
People are coming out they just aren’t staying on as long. Probably because the game is getting stale, and the motivation wanes when facing overwhelming numbers. And our major late NA guild has temporarily left the server anyway.
Plus Iron used to come out in SEA time but due to real life issues can’t at the moment.
But it is only one guild and it is only 2 hours, really no reason just for whole server giving up trying all together.
It wasn’t only 1 guild, in the 2nd and 3rd weeks BG had overwhelming numbers, the most I’ve seen from any opponent, more than JQ has ever had. Whether it was from success in recruiting PvE players or new guilds doesn’t really matter.
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There’s always been a way around the RNG, the TP. If you absolutely abhor RNG, you could always grind gold to buy your precursor. And yet it’s a fact that people almost always tend to ignore whenever RNG is discussed.
The precursor I want is out of my reach without doing an endless champ farm, which is too repetively grindy.
Ahahahahahahahaha.
I can’t wait until the disappointment and tears which will undoubtedly happen when people discover that the precursor hunt is going to be RIDICULOUSLY grindy.
Better to be grindy than the bullkitten RNG system we have currently.
Anet also to an extent control the demand for crafting mats (ie we all know items like iron ore went from a steady 10c, steady as it was around 7c to 10c pretty much since release, to 1s30c as the direct result of ascended crafting). Anet didn’t increase supply but they did increase demand.
They do more than just that eg. adding the ability to salvage ectos had a direct effect on the supply of dust. They are always manipulating the supply which is why I find the notion of treating the TP as a real market economy absurd.
To be fair, they tried the same thing last Winterday.
For all we know it could go back and forth.
Exactly, and what about those that don’t use a staff, axe or dagger. They will keep going on the same path they are going with alternate sets being available only via the ridiculous RNG black lion system and occasional special weapons for direct sale.
So, why did they start charging for transfers? Weren’t they free to begin with?
I believe it was because of the WvW community complaining, and now we are calling them greedy for doing what we wanted.
They were always going to charge for transfers the reason it wasn’t in the game at launch was because the guesting function wasn’t ready. This turned out to be a massive mistake, especially for WvW, because it essentially crippled servers trying to engender a sense of server pride.
It does say there will be a “markedly” difference from one placement to the other.
A golden dolyak finisher is markedly different from none. If they are going to offer substantive rewards like say a greater chance for a precursor like they did for Southsun then we should have been informed so we could genuinely make an informed decision.
That doesn’t say what the rewards will be.
Well except for the fact that people were told this would happen nearly two months before the leagues started, with a sale on transfer fees the week leading up to the league start … So that if the shiny carrot was more important to you than the community you HAD AN INFORMED CHOICE.
We were told there would be a reward not what it would be therefore we haven’t really been informed. Everyone assumes it will be cosmetic because the QQ if otherwise would be monstrous. If we were told it would be a precursor or at least a much greater chance at one then thats different.
Here is my stance on this subject:
The TP is part of Tyria and is a part of the game.
I would disagree with this, the UI makes it clear that it isn’t, and isn’t immersive.
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Why is it a bug?
So basically what you are saying is that the only “right” siege placement is 900+ units away from nearest wall/gate?
No its got to be where the ele can’t put a target on it. In your picture there is line of sight over the gate so of course its targetable. I would also note that theoretically putting an AC in that position shouldn’t be able to hit those siegeing the gate therefore if they change the DT they should also change the way ACs work.
I haven’t encountered scepter eles who are abusing this bug in like 3-4 months, so this was a nice refresher. I actually thought they fixed it and that’s why I didn’t see this in a long time, but nope bug/feature still exists. I hope more eles abuse it so that anet may actually look into this and fix it.
Its not a bug, its the way the ability works.
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I think everyone should stop letting the PPT discourage you. It’s a meaningless measure of population rather than skill. I don’t want to see a good server like SoR give up over something as silly as an arbitrary number based on how many off-hours PvD players someone else has.
No-ones giving up, its mainly the number of hours being played being reduced without anyone else to cover coupled with BGs increase in coverage. The week 7 match will be extremely interesting.
These last few months in T1 have been the most balanced and fun fighting T1 has ever experienced since the beginning of the game. JQ, BG and SoR are the three most evenly matched servers in WvW history. I’ve been on JQ since the beginning and we’ve been in T1 longer than anybody and let me tell you most of the history of T1 has been one server blowing out two smaller servers every week and it was boring every day of the week except the weekends. These days we have a great distribution of quality guilds and leaders across three competitive servers and it’s been fun. Anyone who really wants to see SoR implode and return to the unbalanced days of old T1 is out of their minds.
Yeah well I agree but some of the trolls seem to want it to happen judging by this thread, the phrase be careful what you wish for springs to mind.
Debating on if I want to open the can of worms and herd the cats again.
Do it, c’mon you know you want to :-).
It shows how valuable a strong pug / militia force is. SoR needs to realize that marginalizing your pugs and elitism has hurt your server in these match-ups.
Something which has never happened, so please stop lying.
Happens every day in eb. Dont know where you have been.
Well ALTS we play the same time zone and I don’t see it.
It shows how valuable a strong pug / militia force is. SoR needs to realize that marginalizing your pugs and elitism has hurt your server in these match-ups.
Something which has never happened, so please stop lying.
Several posts in this very thread claims otherwise…..
And posts from new players stating otherwise.
Well, uhm yeah….
It would be the new players feeling alienated. Then coming here posting about how excluded and unwelcome they feel in WWW.
What is your point here?, I’m saying there are posts from genuine new players to the server stating how its been welcoming. As someone from a small guild who frequently has to run with the larger guilds I can personally attest to how the Rallians are treated.
It shows how valuable a strong pug / militia force is. SoR needs to realize that marginalizing your pugs and elitism has hurt your server in these match-ups.
Something which has never happened, so please stop lying.
Several posts in this very thread claims otherwise…..
And posts from new players stating otherwise.
You guys had my user name, had any of you wanted a REAL challenge and to fight a real [DIE] guild group you would have contacted me and accepted it. You also say we rage quit, all of SoR can vouch DIE is probably the most fun oriented take it easy group of players you can find.
I can attest to that.
It shows how valuable a strong pug / militia force is. SoR needs to realize that marginalizing your pugs and elitism has hurt your server in these match-ups.
Something which has never happened, so please stop lying.
No thanks. It’s already way too easy for zerglings to get easy WXP.
I can tell you that people join zergs and WXP trains also because they have to re-farm WXP for a new character.
For instance, if I decide to play WvW with a new profession, be assured that I would try to find the way to make as many WXP as possible and as fast as possible= join a zerg and tag whatever i can.
There is a good chance, on the other hand, that an account-wide WXP would not give me that pressure.
Re-posted for emphasis, this is so true.
2.How could they make it in a way without you feel like getting scammed , but still make a decent profit?
Already answered 2 messages above, the LOL model.
The fact that SoR can match us during OCX/SEA means that JQ will absolutely dominate us in that time zone.
We were ticking under you in terms of PPT last night OCX time despite having reasonable numbers so I’d hardly call it matching BG.
I mainly use Ele, Guard and Necro in WvW and of them Staff Guardian is the best for tagging.
My necro is condi specced though I imagine it may improve if I change it to more of a power build.
They’re trying to promote build diversity on a class with the lowest possible base defenses in the game by making the 2 best defensive trait lines a “worse” investment than the other 3.
They’re also making changes to “traits” without taking into account that spending points in a trait line not only provides them with traits but also STATS. These STATS are just as important if not more than the traits themselves because it effects gear choice.
In my opinion, they’re showing quite a poor understanding of their own system.
100% correct, its why I spec 20 into water minimum.
The most unbelievable part about this is I’m pretty sure the developers are actually trying to help; they just haven’t identified the actual problem and as a result are making things worse.
The actual problem is base health that is too low.
I agree that this is the main problem but I’m also sure that anet also realise this, Peters I think has said as much, but they are clearly unwilling to change it, for what reason I’m not sure.
lowest health + lowest armor = needs something else
- highest condition removal/immunity
or
- highest mobility
or
- highest damage
or
- highest evade
or
- you get the ideaThere has to be a reward for the risk, that’s the key issue with ele
Spot on and in the first BWE we did have amongst the highest high damage, early in the game we did have high mobility and defense. But thats all been taken away and replaced with nothing.
I understand that RNG works as a monetization approach, but as a player it also makes me unhappy, so I am doing my best to let the company know this before they lose me as a revenue stream when I get fed up.
Take a look at League of Legends for instance – they seem to do pretty well for themselves without making me feel like I’m getting scammed. I’ve paid out an order of magnitude (literally) more money to LoL than to GW2 for that reason.
This, a thousand times this. The GW2 approach is not a good one.
Changes to the game’s economic systems are often made for various and complex reasons. It’s not so simple as to say “we did A due to B”. What you’re asking for would be very hard to do, though we do encourage discussion over on the BLTC forum area.
So put an explanation on the forums, in this thread. Anet is meant to be on this collaborative development kick, which shouldn’t just pertain to the specific threads but with all interaction. So try and make us understand, especially with bloodstone dust when at the same time you introduce new recipes requiring large amounts of bloodstone dust.
Its completely kittened up WvW. Whilst there was some acrimony before its caused it to be dialed up to 11 and for some servers to become ridiculously overstacked.
As for stacking, the huge “arms race” didn’t start till leagues were announced. JQ/SoR/BG were all recruiting to fill coverage gaps that we all had but it was for more 24 hour competition. Once winning had a reward over stacking happened
And the stupiod thing is the reward will seemingly be a stupid special finisher. There won;t be any prestige associated with it because whoever wins will do so because of coverage and thats across all tiers not just the gold league.
It’s about 7:30 pm in London right now. Where are your Euro forces (Iron?)?
It was said earlier in the thread but Iron’s main commander is sick at the moment.
3 TW? Really? Maybe after enough times wiping, but TW was formed on EB with more than 3 people. Lol. :P
There is already a video posted here of how many people TW actually had on the map tonight.
I was in the zerg just before we lost the keep it was a pug zerg of about 30. Yeah there were a few TW there but it wasn’t a TW guild group by any stretch of the imagination.
Incidentally you all go on about SOR PvF but when we try and call a truce this is what happens. How about we all make an effort from all 3 servers to kitten.
I think AFTL is the best thing to happen in SoR, no excuses, classy on the forums, and looking for fights all the time. I hope you guys spread your influence to the rest of your server.
I look forward to BG following their example then as well.
OH WOW GEE A SERVER FUNDRAISING INGAME GOLD OMG SCANDALOUS.
Can’t tell you the multitudes of times I’ve been in meetings telling guilds we have some gold but nowhere near enough to help you get across, we can’t all be Jade Quarry and suddenly have someone splurge 40k gold from ebay to pay for transfers.
If you want to see a warchest try finding that JQ dude.
Well, RISE did just tell us that BG tried to buy back RISE at ~90G per member. Seems like you guys have the money.
Yeah cuz RiSE aren’t trolls at all.
I notice you don’t actually deny it
About SoR, I don’t hate you I hate the mentality of few guilds members/leaders you have there and that are selfish elitists and believe to be godlike with no need of militia (that they name pugs or rallybots…).
You mean rallians, which is a sign of respect. And you’re wrong and simply telling. All the major guilds treat the rallians. By far the worst treatment of pugs I’ve seen came from some merc commasnders back on sos
When SoR finishes 1st all their forum warriors come out and chest thump.
When SoR finishes 2nd they QQ and blame BG for stacking.
Well to be fair that also sounds like bg
Why do certain people from BG care whether SoR puts up a fight or not? Worry about your own server, and let SoR handle it’s own. The politics and health of another server shouldn’t be anyone’s business but their own, regardless of who they are.
The vast majority of the BG posters that post their vitriol, have some unhealthy hate for SoR. Holy crap, it’s a game. Is this the common mentality of people these days? To irrationally hate someone they’ve never met, to the point of wishing that their community will implode?
The anonymity of the internet makes it so easy for someone’s true nature to shine through. That’s not always a good thing to see.
e.g. Fann Wong. Every post I see from him is diplomatic and friendly/kind in nature. I won’t name names for the opposite types. You know who you are, and it would likely result in the post being removed.
TLDR: mind your own server business, and let SoR take care of it’s own.
Read up on some of the history behind SoR and BG/SoS and you’ll see it is well deserved. SoR had this coming.
It’s fueled even more by the fact that when SoR caused SoS to implode, many of us went to BG and that a few weeks ago, they were trying to bully SoS as many people from SoS have said so in this thread.
That’s some rewriting of history there, what caused sir to implode was merc leaving to bg then enticing other guilds to go with them.
The problem is precursors are supposed to be rare and RNG allows that
I would say legendaries are far from from nowadays
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100 a day for a champ farmer isn’t even close, you can get about 40-50 an hour depending on the zone/path you take, I read about this nerf, so went and tested it today, I only did a small test 75 champ boxes from a highly farmed level 80 zone, I will openly admit there is no risk in this farm, but it does highlight something.
I was amazed to see that 15 of the boxes gave me less than 1 silver, and a few give none at all, with the highest I seen was 8 silver, still not bad for a no risk farm, what got me was the removal of nearly all T6 mats, out of the 75 boxes I got 2 x T6 fangs, that was it, looking at the price of T6 mats on the TP its going to be bad for anyone needing these mats,
How ridiculous plus the nerf to bloodstone dust when they release new recipes requiring substantial amounts of it.
And john smiths post was not an explanation for why. Collaborative development where art thou.
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There is a serious flaw with RNG in that 1 person can be very lucky and another can be very, very unlucky. The lucky player loves the game and the unlucky player calls the game utter rubbish and goes to play something else forever bad mouthing the game to all the people he knows.
SOLUTION
Keep RNG in the game but implement a method that restricts extreme bad luck which will happen to a considerable amount of players and it being luck, is totally beyond there ability to control.
Being a MMO base it on number of hours played, a 100% guaranteed drop. So rather like the current MF% counter, you could have a drop counter.
For example with exotics, Anet may think a exotic drop every 50 hours played is a ‘fair/average drop rate’, so when you play a counter clocks the hours up to 50, if a exotic drops on the 24th hour it resets to 0 and starts going again, so worse case scenario after 74 hours you would have had 2 exotic drops. The extremely unlucky player would get 2 exotics at 100 hours played. So you still have lucky/unlucky players but theres a LIMIT on bad luck.
Otherwise, without a system like that with RNG as it is now, you have one player who has had 10 exotics drop in 100 hours and another player with no drops in 1,000 hours. Blatantly unfair…
LOL! RNG is never fair…. because it is random. I can’t see how you think RNG is flawed because one person is lucky, and another isn’t.
And as for your suggestion to add some type of counter in place of RNG. That isn’t a solution. That’s called “Entitlement”, because you’re basically asking for free rare stuff every X number of hours/days.
Wanting fairness is entitlement now?
I also recall ’ there is no grinding in GW2’ .
You’re missing something. There’s no required grinding in GW2. If you grind for something, you do so on your own free will. And by making that choice to grind, you give up all rights to complain.
And you’re missing the the fact that just starting the game is a grind and it as well is not required since it’s F2P. -LOL
Oh, so what you wanted is to log on and then create a level 80 character with all the best gear right away. WoW such a /facepalm there. If you think playing the game is a grind, then you picked the wrong game. Go play a First Person Shooter like COD, theres no leveling there /roll eyes.
This just proves that people have a different idea what a grind is, and that it would be impossible to have “no grind” in the game, cause there will always be people who will consider something as a grind.
Also, the RNG isn’t broken, it’s RNG, random things happen. I am the unlucky ones when it comes to RNG in any MMO, and I prefer to not have RNG at all, would prefer a token system.
Is it? I wonder. I know of at least 1 other game where the RNG system gave an advantage to some accounts. When you hear these stories about multiple prercursor drops it makes one wonder. I understand that the chance dictates someone can play for 1000s of hours and not get 1. But multiple precursors in a week? Others with over a dozen precursor drops over their life in the game. Its ridficvulous that the game didn’t launch with an alternative.
Come on guys. It’s nothing like BG is getting more stack or something. We’re basicly the same. It’s just some in SoR decided to slack or basicly play BF4 too much while BG is just the same o’BG who fight nonstop?
To those who try to claimed BG overstack, let me summarize what we get/lose recently:
BG gained EU-[COIN] wvw average25, Early EU-[ZDs] wvw average35
BG lost Oceanic/SEA-[MERC] wvw average30, Oceanic/SEA-all I know is that the numbers of BG I face have hugely increased. They are not the same numbers from 3weeks ago.
Of course there are more Bg than you. We use our pugs and don’t treat them like garbage and we don’t quit and make excuses when we fall behind 18k. We always knew SOR kept repeating “greatest server community” to convince yourselves, not us.
Dunno why you believe the trolls I’m from a small guild and the rallians and small guilds are treated fine.
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