Guild Wars 2

The shining blade or chupa and campawat shortbow (probl typed that wrong) r the ones that r more natural choices imo, i just made the shortbow as in most cases u use it as an offwep. U could also wait a month or two in case they added a new natural dagger, which also is a often used wep

It’s more about everyone having more of everything, less rock paper scissor, more DIY murican style. Back in the days things were more simple, less active and passive buffs thrown around, now it’s steriods on crack.

Warrost.4895:

nacario.9417:

coso.9173:

there’s a big difference in an elite spec that expands a class’ playstyle and an elite spec that goes absolutely against what a class is designed for.
thief is and has always been in its core, a melee glass cannon, extremely agile and using dirty tricks to get the upper hand, as backstab or poisons.
this spec is absolutely the contrary. you fight from a distance an are 100% static. I never liked the idea of riffle and even less now that I’ve tried it.

That’s your interpretation though of the old days, every class get’s their playstyle expanded – just look at necro with scourge losing its shroud and gain more mobility, if that isnt a big change then what? Everyone is passionate about their class, but in the end there are changes to all classes.

But as far as I can tell, just thieves are not excited or happy with deadeye. the other classes seem more excited, but thieves rather disappointed.

Then take a look at the other class forums, always unhappy people there over various things. Though if I was a scourge, spellbreaker or weaver I would be quite happy.

Oishi.4358:

rifle – sigil of explotation, sigil of savagery

sb – whatever

I take it that this build isnt about the sb!

coso.9173:

there’s a big difference in an elite spec that expands a class’ playstyle and an elite spec that goes absolutely against what a class is designed for.
thief is and has always been in its core, a melee glass cannon, extremely agile and using dirty tricks to get the upper hand, as backstab or poisons.
this spec is absolutely the contrary. you fight from a distance an are 100% static. I never liked the idea of riffle and even less now that I’ve tried it.

That’s your interpretation though of the old days, every class get’s their playstyle expanded – just look at necro with scourge losing its shroud and gain more mobility, if that isnt a big change then what? Everyone is passionate about their class, but in the end there are changes to all classes.

Zefiris.8297:

adding it to current maps is an absolute no go, because it requires developer resources, which would be wasted on a feature nobody needs.

People that want duels already have multiple ways to do so. IF they cannot get duels these ways, they are obviously socially maladjusted, because any normal person can easily get a duel running if they aren’t stupid about it.

Everything requires dev resources, but there has been events in the past showcasing that such a system is in place, the groundwork.
It’s just a nice QoL addition being able to duel a friend wherever you are, like when waiting for a boss or whatever. The more world interaction the better. People who scream no to duels scream yes to other stuff, in the end it all comes down to people wanting things from their narrative.

zengara.8301:

ok, never thought people actually was deliberately against it, just thought it was one of those arguments like the mounts…..“devs havent done it, so dont ask for it” kind of mentality. I have not seen any spam messages in any other game having a open world duel system.

But is people asking you for a duel, an actual concern for people?

No, there are many ppl who wants dueling, same way there are other people who dont want dueling while they want their own stuff… In the end it is up to us the players to keep reminding Anet that they need to add dueling in open world sooner or later, and all will be good! We all get a piece of the cake sooner or later, next up is the mount crowd.

Be mindful about when to engage and do it propperly i.e. if you got quickness on mark maybe time it when you’re ready to burst, and dont go rambo if you see target blocking or whatnot. Trickery line is must imo, which leaves either SA or DA. SA gives great stealth play and repositioning/recovery which with your bursts are your survival skills. With DA you cant play cat and mouse over prolonged time and have a bit more dmg to score kills faster, but its still hard vs competent ppl, esp with passive n active skills to negate ur ranged dmg.

Dont nec burn to much initiative when kiting and running, sometimes u can kite with rifle and having enough resources for rifle#4 is gucci to keep distance, and can work like shortbow tp on ledges.

You can also time bursts in kneel with shadowstep, and when enemy gets close you can shadowstep again. Use all stealth skills you got, like blinding powder and the deadeye stealth utility + elite stealth. Sometimes you can chain like snipers cover kneel stealth after an elite stealth for ex. Roll for ini heal is good for kiting, tho as is hide in shadows.

The way i see it is you always go hard on dmg, but SA traitline makes you more resilient, while DA adds the lil extra dmg for quicker kills. In its current state its hard to justify using rifle in spvp as it’ counter intuitive and prevents you from figthing on point and you risk having to spend too much time in stealth, too slow due to swiftness loss and not really a teamplayer. For WvW its a fun build, but as many have commented on there are quite some QoL changes we could use to make playstyle more thieflike fluid.

rifle 3 needs to turn us towards the target if hitting and target is behind, feels akward as ranger longbow 3 does that

@Drawing Guy that was some solid feedback i hope anet takes note of it

Volrath.1473:

So… op says “As time goes by, all classes will have their playstyles expanded upon. It was just a matter of time till thief got their long range, regardless of what certain people wanted.”

So, regardless of what YOU want why should you get swiftness? Its a new playstyle, ranged you don’t need swiftness… that’s for the rest of us that are melee.

choices bro…

Im all in for drawbacks but when out of combat w/o swiftness on a rifle shortbow build u are even more kitten, by even picking the build in spvp. Im not asking nec for a drastic change, the swiftness is already there on rifle2.

What if they removed kneel entirely and made kneel skills baseline when running around kiting, while removing deaths judgement (nr 4) and keep that backward dash on default?

Warrost.4895:

nacario.9417:

What did you honestly expect? As time goes by, all classes will have their playstyles expanded upon. It was just a matter of time till thief got their long range, regardless of what certain people wanted.
Common rants are that “I play thief for melee assassin style” or that the elite spec never could’ve been “good” because it’s a rifle. Well newsflash for you, no one will ever be 100% satisfied, same way one elite spec cant cover all game modes – clearly rifle deadeye isnt the same common decap thief in spvp. Just keep giving feedback instead on how to improve the gameplay so that it is more fluent to use.

Now as to the real reason this thread was created since original feedback got buried, please consider letting us get the swiftness application from Skirmirshers shot (rifle 2) without having a target, as itll heavy increase our roaming (be it in WvW, spvp or whatever..). As it stands, deadeye is lacking swiftness and is slow and it sort of makes a non optimal spec for spvp even worse. I cant stress this enough so please have a look at it!

Why? Anet won’t do some necessary major overhauls.

Because positive thinking and solutions can in many cases make certain ears listen, than not provide anything. Look at daredevil how much it has changed from launch till now, a spec you love.

Miasmus.2364:

I’m thinking whole spec designed in a break time. It feels cheap, calling it elite spec is ironic.

With this design, i cant even have hopes for future of it.

Lets look at this objectively. You took the time to create a thread to complain about something, yet you dont go in detail what is broken in your eyes. How do you think anyone could fix something they think is working, when you just smashed their window without giving a tell? Unless you are into riddles of course.

What did you honestly expect? As time goes by, all classes will have their playstyles expanded upon. It was just a matter of time till thief got their long range, regardless of what certain people wanted.
Common rants are that “I play thief for melee assassin style” or that the elite spec never could’ve been “good” because it’s a rifle. Well newsflash for you, no one will ever be 100% satisfied, same way one elite spec cant cover all game modes – clearly rifle deadeye isnt the same common decap thief in spvp. Just keep giving feedback instead on how to improve the gameplay so that it is more fluent to use.

Now as to the real reason this thread was created since original feedback got buried, please consider letting us get the swiftness application from Skirmirshers shot (rifle 2) without having a target, as itll heavy increase our roaming (be it in WvW, spvp or whatever..). As it stands, deadeye is lacking swiftness and is slow and it sort of makes a non optimal spec for spvp even worse. I cant stress this enough so please have a look at it!

The only thing that the vid shows is how high damage can get in WvW and that it’s always good to have the opener and quick reaction. On that note, brb rerolling hammer rev!

Asur.9178:

DeceiverX.8361:

It’s kind of like people who kept demanding a stealth sniper had no idea of the implications the concept has on the game and the identity of the thief.

Unfortunately, time and time again,with what we see from implementation in-game, we can certainly verify that neither does ANet.

You should give it a rest already. Why do you keep coming back even though you’re done with thief?

Just someone who couldnt afford the predator

Volrath.1473:

nacario.9417:

Deadeye is a fantastic allrounder if traited properly! Key is to spec hybrid by going Shadow Arts (with standard Trickery), and build into stealth. The sustain you get from all your stealth sources through rifle 5, utilities, elite, and F1 is plenty enough to keep you moving around and surviving with Maleficient Seven GM (more selfheal). Be quick or be dead GM is good too, but can be much more random in case you dont land it, but you need every bit of sustain you can get to prolong the fight if needed.

One thing Im torn about is rifle 5 kneel, if we should be able to move around at much slower speed, as being stuck and having to dodge roll is new, but who knows..

Lastly, PLEASE CONSIDER making so that Skirmishers shot (rifle 2) doesnt require a target to trigger swiftness boon. This is a major quality of life change and I cant stress it enough how big it would be for us as roamers to get!!! Without it we have no swiftness upkeep inbetween A and B.

why would you move from A to B? you cant hold/contest a point just sit in stealth in a corner of the map and let do the work.

aw yeah you can shoot ppl to if you feel like giving up your location and give free points to the enemy team! \m/

Obviously its not a on point holder, more like how the power ranger was or is with sticking between either home or far to support mid, from range. Not a meta spec, but its a fun one. It certainly will cause a lot of frustration as ppl expect thieves to roam decap, but it’s gonna be hard with rifle/x – so it’s gonna trigger the triggered more easily

Deadeye is a fantastic allrounder if traited properly! Key is to spec hybrid by going Shadow Arts (with standard Trickery), and build into stealth. The sustain you get from all your stealth sources through rifle 5, utilities, elite, and F1 is plenty enough to keep you moving around and surviving with Maleficient Seven GM (more selfheal). Be quick or be dead GM is good too, but can be much more random in case you dont land it, but you need every bit of sustain you can get to prolong the fight if needed.

One thing Im torn about is rifle 5 kneel, if we should be able to move around at much slower speed, as being stuck and having to dodge roll is new, but who knows..

Lastly, PLEASE CONSIDER making so that Skirmishers shot (rifle 2) doesnt require a target to trigger swiftness boon. This is a major quality of life change and I cant stress it enough how big it would be for us as roamers to get!!! Without it we have no swiftness upkeep inbetween A and B.

DeceiverX.8361:

YuiRS.8129:

Elxdark.9702:

Pyrophobia.6592:

Seriously, some of y’all need to chill. Just leave your feedback after you play the spec during the demo. There is still a crap-ton of time to change what they need to. Stop being salty.

This forum is like this they did the same for Daredevil, it’s going to suck, no damage wtf these dodges etc etc etc and now it is probably the best elite spec in the game.

Nobody knows if a spec is gonna be op or weak until you actually test it, let people say whatever they want. I’m sure DE will work with or without rifle and if it doesn’t then we still have daredevil so people just need to chill out.

Well, they buffed the hell out of Daredevil too. Removed aftercasts from dodges, gave Vault evasion… It will be a bit more difficult in Rifle’s case because it’s bad by design in PvP. It can still be good in PvE if they just crank the numbers up through the roof, sure.

Was going to say, there were serious animation aftercast issues with DrD during the beta weekend they had last time that made the whole kit pretty much worthless. They cleaned up the spec to the point where it just became OP like the rest of the elites, because big surprise, the concept was ill-thought-out.

Deadeye suffers from the problem of that it’ll either absolutely demolish someone with zero means of counterplay and at range, or it’ll just get absolutely rolled because the concept in it of itself isn’t well-thought-out for PvP encounters/making PvP’ing as and against it fun and engaging for all parties involved.

When it proves to be as inconsistent as it will be, the tears will come. Though the PvE players will sing praises as the amount of damage coming from the thief from Tr/CS/DE will be absolutely bonkers on D/D power.

With the changes they did to daredevil to become as good as it is today, I can likely see same treat happen to rifle deadeye. We can judge all we want, but testing will tell. It’s just great to finally have a true ranged option.

Having said that, what I worry the most of (unless I missed that trait) is how to have the same juicy swiftness upkeep as daredevil does, especially if you’re roaming with offwep shortbow, without that then much else falls short for the overall QoL.

We just need longer queues to ensure better matchmaking, esp if ur plat+ ur much better off waiting 15 mins than having 2 min queues just to get shady matchups

Hyrai.8720:

nacario.9417:

Id also like to add to OP that there should be an icon with text next to player hp bar indicating if said player want to duel or not, lowering the chances for people even asking, and in the process respecting that.

oooor (known from several other MMORPGs with open-world-pvp):
a menu setting to toggle, which instantly declines duel-invites automatically.
so someone who doesn’t want to duel doesn’t even get bothered with an invite.

also i think that’s pretty much what the OP meant by:

ilQr.1342:

For those scared of being spammed: By default everyone should have “Allow duel invites” on decline. Nothing will change for those that don’t want to duel. Everything will be the same for them.

Yes but with OPs method ppl still gonna get asked (which many seem to make a fuss about, adding a potential stressful atmosphere) regardless if they can duel or not, but with mine ppl can see an icon that the guy doesnt want to duel at allleast (in the wording when hoovering over the icon) as another layer of protection

Vayne.8563:

The more competitive a community gets, the less comfortable it gets for people who aren’t competitive. It really is that simple.

Many who are in that competitive mind set, they don’t have the same issues with dealing with that type of competition and often don’t get it.

It was my original argument about having raids in the game. It changes the entire “tone” of the community. More and more of the l2p crowd, instead of the here let me help you crowd.

The less encouragement given to that type of player, the happier I’ll personally be.

Fortunately I have a guild I can surround myself with filled with so-called carebears and I can ignore the community when it gets too combative to deal with.

But dueling only draws more people to the game that have the potential to alter that delicate balance between a really nice community and a more competitive community (who are sure are nice in their own way), who will make the game less enjoyable for those of us who don’t want that.

But you dont know that. Same way the friendly community still is here even after raid implementation, which requires much more from a player than a duel. We all want different things and should be open minded and not exclude ideas just cuz it may not be in your interest, just like we are getting mounts now.

Id also like to add to OP that there should be an icon with text next to player hp bar indicating if said player want to duel or not, lowering the chances for people even asking, and in the process respecting that.

I wholehearthedly agree with you OP! Its the sugar ontop, the cream, this game needs. Then it is complete. Long have many of us asked for this, and the usurpers talking against it are forever biased asnew they too ask for shinies!

It will only richen the game and spark interest for good old dueling, being the doorway to pvp when first met with the open world.

Fluffball.8307:

The concept bores the hell out of me. It’s pandering to the lowest common denominator, the pet class people who don’t want pets. Make the pet BETTER, not remove it.

Stupid fan service like the kitten quotes they sneak into Game of Thrones lately to cater to the kitten fan base.

But hopefully it’s fun to play.

I think it was done to cater to those who wanted a true archer class but annoyed at having a (clunky) pet by its side

Im sure youtube has many helpful guides if u do some quick searching for what ur looking for, more precisely footage than words

Andrew.6487:

Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497:

Andrew.6487:

Blackari.2051:

Deadeye =/= rifle , and also basically co one played the spec yet, but you go and say it is not viable even before that ? .. LOL what a joke

no rifle , why deadeye ? yeah I know it wont be viable because I’m an experienced wvw player , you cant because u pve only . # JOKE

Your 4k+ experience doesn’t exactly mean much as GWs does not treat it as an ELO (nor would I care if you were some how at master rank). That 4k can come from any number of things that counts as participation. From hunting only players, to staying in zergs and taking over virtually empty holds.

It is way too early to start discrediting something that no one has had a chance to see in action. Especially when said topic is subject to some massive changes before public testing, and before actual release.

you are not a thief player , thief dont play zerg .
If u played enough long time on thief , u should can predict how deadeye will be after some streamers upload the skill info on youtube .

And ur not really contributing much to the discussion with ur snarkyness, best stay in stealth

supa suop.8026:

babazhook.6805:

Unforgiving will be nice, but unlike BV is is blockable so one is going to have to ensure that first attack after a mark is not blocked or dodged. That mark going up might result in a target throwing up a block or dodging just so as to escape the intitial attack. It going to be very interesting in any case.

I am not sure if this is the case yet, but marking someone counts as a steal, yes?

Then could you not just trait mug and that would trigger the bassy venom(and still stab and aegis if your running trickery as well) when you mark a target, and then Unforgiving would follow up with your next attack. Or would it trigger at the same time when you mug someone?

Dont think basilisk can b run, ranged deadeye seemes dependant of its stealth elite for repositioning

It’s a safe bet deadeye rifle most likely wont be able to 1v1 as many as a melee x thief, unless u get some lucky shots. But i can totally see it having its momentum, for ex if u trait it right ull have dmg boost n quickness n stun when mark is applied, thats when u may wanna be in kneel to dump all ur initiative which could drop a target to 50 75%, where u follow up with elite stealth while target has some passive or active defense going, for u to follow up on

Serophous.9085:

Agree with lordhelmos above.

There really is nothing “new”. Sure, a polarizing mount system, but that’s almost like copying and pasting gliding. And an ammo system that came out of nowhere.

There was no revamping of old systems that needed it (weapon skills, tokens from dungeons, for example).

The story is in shambles with the hard jerk towards Balthazar. Auriene forgotten, pale tree status unknown (last being stable), hearing about brahm but never experiencing it, rox has disappeared fom the story (I honestly don’t know when she was last mentioned after the funeral), and the now running joke of what happened to rytlock in the mists (that’s even acknowledged in game the frustration people have had for over two years now).

All for “here is a big bad from gw1! Joking! It’s the god Balthazar! But you get to kill the guy anyway in a real hurry!”

And I can already tell there will be some ‘great’ twist to who the herald is.

Seriously anet, even m. Night shyamalan is like ’whoa, too many twists

This isn’t an expansion. This is DLC

Perhaps an idea for future expansion is a story in exisiting maps and a total revamp of old content to make stuff shiny n up to par with hot pof, that could b something!

If any Anet associate is watching, please consider adding the mad scientist tool pack (mining, logging, harvesting) during this sale or in the near future. I’d buy em in a heartbeat, and I’m sure other’s would too once they see how awesome that beam is, making gathering addicting! (better that than drugs..)

As always, thank you!

U dont get lesser call of the wild either (the boons dont apply on pet swap in combat)

No encounter has 20 adds. Please dont exaggerate in order to bolster your point. Every boss more or less has the M3 mechanic where you are rewarded if you are quick to press it, and then the encounter get easier. Every classbuild are not able to defeat the bosses, you need to change it around based on the encounter. I do agree that these fights do require you as a player to understand whats happening in the fight and know your class well, but personall I enjoy that. You could always do them in group though yes?

the mnost logical thing is that when the guy goes stealth u cant see him, but when he reappear he will so with the mark too

Scholar is solid as ur dream scenario is to open at 1500+ range, and u can kite around a bit depending on matchup, also with timed lb #3 #4 and survival utilities, potentially being untouched and killing the opponent. You already go for snipes, the extra 10% will just further ensure that goal.

Scholar is also aa toptier choice for power in pve content so theres that too, not having to nec swap if u only got one set

Theyve said that spvp n wvw get their own content patches outside/regardless of expansion r not, they live their own lives basically. The latest addition is legendary armor aquisition in spvp and wvw.

I dont mind HoT maze maps but i also appreciate the new style they going for here. And it also is the desert, longer travel distance and a new appreciation for the maps and traveling by on a mount

The raptor feels like riding a wild raptor, i think they catched that feeling really well. I wouldnt be surprised each mount has its feel based on the way the creature moves

Durzlla.6295:

nacario.9417:

I honestly dislike the bark skin change as itdiscourages marauder longbow play, and further promotes hybridtankyheal.

Could always take instinctive reaction and gain some healing power based on your power.

yeah its a good point but then we are locked in nature magic, and wilderness surv was good for its added utlity for longrange annoyance with poison every 5 sec, survival reduced cd+condi removal and u could now even get muddy terrain on heal (which now has pulsing slow for 10 sec onpoint). While this change opened up, it also closed some doors, but thats evolution i guess.

Does the longbow range surpass the 1500 tooltip? Back in the day we had a different tooltip i believe with 1200, but we could still hit to 1500. Is this the same case now, only 1800? There are situatons in spvp where I fire downwards and the range does seem a bit further than 1500.
Im loving pewpew builds in spvp despite their effectiveness, but if the range is set at 1500 then I may as well consider deadeye.

I honestly dislike the bark skin change as itdiscourages marauder longbow play, and further promotes hybridtankyheal.

Yes ES next week, this weekend is just for limited landmass exploration

STIHL.2489:

zealex.9410:

Like anet ever forget about the casual.

It did.. very much so, with HoT. Which is why I am asking if they decided to remember us with this upcoming expansion.

If you don’t think Anet forgot about the casuals when making HoT.. then.. simply put.. you’re not a casual so would not notice it. No shame in that.

Gw2 is one of the most casual friendly mmos. Mmorpgs require attention n focus, yet here u have one set of gesr that is always top, even exotic is almost just as good. No lvls beyond 80. Many ways to enjoy the game at ur phase, just look at their recent edition of adding legendary armor to spvp n wvw which only require time, not precision like in raids.

HoT was exploration next lvl in the maps, not more hc

The map/team chat during spvp can get really toxic, as in any game. Adding voice chat will further enhance that level, at the same time as it will also bring much positive/good in cases where you have “the right” people.

Alatar.7364:

I main Thief, but truth is that Druid, Ele and/ or Guardian can do this all while being more useful if played properly. Also Thief would require you to be much more experienced to do it all, than of you did it with the others. So go Thief only if you are not a new player and are already familiar with mechanics of basically all other classes.

PS: Now is really not the time to go Necro

Or as a druid who play thief I can say that thief is far more rewarding once you master it by being more reactive and knowing your opponent. The simple thing such as staff AA and #5 is insane in PvE / vs champ mobs and results in quicker kills than what my Power ranger can achieve.

Thief is squishy by design and can put more people off, so if you like a challange then go for it OP. Mobility and evade is king.

Manfrex.5324:

Fluffball.8307:

You don’t need to switch away from LB for open world stuff, but melee hits more targets and faster, and open world stuff is VERY forgiving. I’d screw around with melee to try it out, but if you really want, just camp longbow.

Thanks for the help! =)
There is no way I can do WvW or unranked PvP with longbow?

I made it to low plat on marauder longbow this season but then i dropped quite a bit swapping to thief and trying to learn it. It’s def possible, only that you cant really fight on point, you are more like a slower roamer between two Points to +1 (assist in kills) while u are quite capable on your own. But it is a niche and not toptier, but if you are a solo q’er like the most of us, having meta builds may not always be optimal anyway as ur team dont always have coordination, and then u can achieve and have much fun on such build.

You should try build around survival skills with marauder longbow / staff. Marksmanship/wilderness survival/druid. Druid line has much synergy with longbow, where I pick the 33% movement speed and the root on cc gm trait. You are very reliant on good positioning as the fight adapts with wellplaced longbow #3 and #4 as well with clever use of survival utilities (which has plenty of condi clear now with right traits).

Im just excited to test how much of a dmg/utility difference there is with having a pet out while using longbow vs sitting permanently in beastmode on longbow.

I like being a sniper, but I think power ranger still has one edge by possibly being more mobile during pew pew kiting as u can still use 1500 range on the move.

condis r deadly from the very getgo so Id rather get rid of them asap via other means (which u should have anyway, cant really rely on this trait to save u) and the other gm traits are better

Bigsexy.8302:

McKenna Berdrow, in your last AMA on reddit, you or Mike O’Brien said WvW and sPvP is player driven mode and it belongs to the players, and you will make the changes you want.
When did we say we want gliding in WvW??
We never wanted airships bombarding SM, that was an idea of PvE player, yet you added it.
This is why the game mode is dying.

Is there some requirement to become a WvWer? Everyone’s opinion matter, and people did request those features and they were implemented.

Sure things arn’t going that well due to a mismatch somewhere, and players are good at pointing out whats wrong, but at the same time not the best at suggesting how to fix things. Gliding is certainly not the reason why anything is dying though.