Guild Wars 2

did everyone in this thread skip over the part what they said the fractels will take anywhere from 15 minutes to 40 minutes to complete. That not long at all and you people are all complaining omg rofl. Some of you must have never even attempted Arah there is no way you have. If your complaining about 15 min to 40 min then there is no hope here.

Frotee.2634:

captaincrunch.6731:

Gabi.5264:

Why is everyone complaining so much? DIOS MIO MAN

Anet just made a brilliant move in my opinion.
Opening new fronts to this game, that has a lot of potential, and now when they are trying to extend it, you’re all whining and whining and jesus christ more whining.

Stop it and let them do the changes quietly, they are more then welcomed.

Agreed. These forums can be pretty bad whenever anything is introduced that’s different. Don’t let it fool you into thinking this is the mindset of the majority. These forums represent a small minority of the community that’s pretty vocal about these things.

I’m pretty excited about this new stuff.

The problem is: Introducing a gear treadmill is nothing new – it is the same old trash you can find in every other MMO (except GW1). We are not complaining about the introduction of armor with a 2% stat increase – we are complaining about the introduction of item progression. Because once they start with that (only 2 months into the game, no less), I bet they won’t stop at that…

And NOT having that was a design principle – abandoning this to conform to MMO standards? Not innovating. Not what I paid for. Not what I waited for for years.

So what is the alternative? Just a new dungeon with new skins? I guess that works I like new skins and new weapons. Honestly though and lets be honest ok there isnt anything difficult in this game at all outside of 3 paths in Arah the most difficult things in the game realy.

probably fixes mostly is my guess and something gets nerfed a bit. Scepter probably gets its auto attack fixed. Sword training I hope gets fixed for a reduction on iLeap. Torch might get a buff that thing needs some work..

Everyone is getting a nerf across the board though they said they want to reduce burst damage across the board. So hope people have their minds prepared for that. I don’t mind just means fights last a little bit longer.

I suspect weapons sets that aren’t highly used will receive a decent amount of love across the board. I would love to use torch if it wasn’t terrible its fun in concept though.

Angrec.6970:

Kid Taylor.5479:

I don’t get it, if you think that they are better looking than legendaries, what’s to stop you from acquiring them? The only thing that will be missing is that you don’t have a purple label on the weapon. To me, that’s not such a big deal so long as the skin is nice on the outside.

Your missing a lot of the point. Its not about if you like the look of the weapon more or not, its that an exotic takes as much gold or MORE gold to make compared to a legendary (which also happen to have several meta achievements tied to it). When the penultement hard to reach goal in this game (legendary) is the same or easier to get than a higher end exotic, something is off, and this problem will only become worse if they make precursors more obtainable.

Your eyes are focused on the money it seems. Your forgetting time and time equals money to alot of people. Also if your using that legendary spreadsheet that adds it all up for you that I saw on reddit then your forgetting it doesnt add in the cost of karma. The globs of ecto are estimated so your numbers are slightly off.

Anyway eyes on money man. I assume your not working on a legendary cause karma farming isn’t super fun I don’t mind it cause I don’t mind grind, so I would factor that in as time and as money. You don’t just get 850k(with excellent luck) karma for free. So legendaries are still more expensive than the other weapons if you look at it that way. You have also forgotten map completion which is more time. I think those items are where they should be in price. Part of the reason is mr money man if you look at the tp the reason they cost so much is the lodestones and lodestones are shared among many good looking weapons and there is no supply to keep up with demand. Im going to assume you already knew this since we are focused on the $$

Timmy.9371:

attention seekers, attention seekers everywhere.

mhm he was totally waiting to share that with us. guess getting random whispers in game about your legendary isn’t enough I guess.

What we are going to have when this change comes out is a lot of disappointed people i fear. Which will lead to a ton of threads that will be more upset and discontent people.

Some people have taken the words of John Smith and ran with them as if their precursor idea is the one chosen. Then those that are against the change or fine with current methods are wait and see because he said legendaries will still remain legendary.

Come November 15th the forums will be chaos. Someone is going to be highly upset because from reading this thread alot of people have their hopes wayyy up there that they will have a precursor come 5 min after the patch comes out.

contested again on ehrmy but it has been open most of the day. there is plans to reopen again so i will update when that happens.

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tyu.9470:

Cerise.9045:

tyu.9470:

i bought mine for 250g other for 80g and other for 50g (i like getting precursors) only own legendary hammer ..lets see.. 380g right there oh wait hammer costs around the same.

Stop generalising just cause you can’t achive something.

I got my legendary weapon 6 or 8 weeks ago but I don’t see what that has to do with anything?

Have you read what i quoted? people generalise that legendary owners dont farm or pay the 300-400g and all are lucky people and/or got their precursors early in game. Which is totally false.

Yup or legendary owners go RMT, legendary owners exploited, legendary owners are snobs, legendary owners want to remain special snowflakes I am probably forgetting a few. Terrible when your opinion is devalued because you have a legendary. People assume your only looking out for your own interests.

there are like 10 of these threads what is up with the I have to make my own thread thing? we need some clean up around here.

An answer from the devs fresh today!
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Recent-Market-Shifts-Follow-up-Precursors

its like only 3 pages and doesnt take long to read them.

Snow.5269:

frak.5239:

Malediktus.9250:

Very good news, lets hope precursors drop below 100g. They shouldnt cost more than a full set of t3 cultural armor.

why? because you think so?
how about people who farmed their soul off since day 1 and bought them full price?

first karma jugs and now precursors
next we’ll see clovers, lodestones and runestones easier to acquire thanks to people who think they’re entitled to get a legendary only because they want to, while barely working towards it

Many players who currently have legendaries got their precursor for 5-10g. They would like everyone to believe they worked hard for it but that is not the case.

Come on Snow your killing me man. Don’t hop in that crowd of people that assume everyone with a legendary is some kind of snob. Unless you played on every server you don’t know that. I don’t know anyone that will tell you they worked hard for a precursor.

There is nothing hard in the game at all. I think your assuming this. Or you asked a few people I don’t know but that comes off bitter man seriously and if you look at your post history its like you have a grudge against people with a precursor or a legendary. Which means you care how other people play the game if its not how you play the game. That leads to migraines I would think.

I have asked people with legendaries questions about the process and I haven’t had 1 person come off rude.

I do know people will say that the legendary process is long and it is kind of something you force yourself through but when you finish you feel rewarded. If someone got their precursor through the forge a drop or they bought it you still have to go through parts you might not like. Say you might like exploration so map completion is fun for you but for me I don’t like map completion but if I want to complete my legendary I need to do it.

Fay.2735:

Ravax.1205:

And 1000 hours really? lol… the game has been out for 1700 hours.. With that much playtime, and dungeons.. you should have more then 2-5 gold per day..

I don’t see how playing the game more equals more money. Dungeons don’t make a hell of a lot of gold and with so many gold sinks it really doesn’t add up to much at the end of the day.

I also have guild events or help guildies with various things or simply have a chat with people so those of course also don’t make money + I don’t want to rush through all the content either so I’ve rolled some alts and play on them occasionally, low level things don’t make much money.

I think what he is saying is that if your focus is making gold with that many hours played you can do so easily at a rate of 2g a day. If I am only interested in karma I can run just plinx in no mf gear and make karma. If I want to be optimal and get karma/loot so i can make money then I run it in MF and hit the camps around plinx. The person that had that many hours like to play WvW alot so maybe he spends his cash on siege I don’t know. He could use his tokens though and buy the invader gear throw that in the forge get exotic back and sell it for easily over 2g (tip)

Malediktus.9250:

For people saying some precursors are dirt cheap, like the focus precursor, there is a reason for it. The finished legendaries look very underwhelming and not worth the effort.
Same with underwater legendaries. Almost noone will make them, as long as theres no good reason to spend a lot of time underwater.

Alos legendary does not mean grind, lots of gold and farming or even RNG.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legendary

legendary (not comparable)

Of or pertaining to a legend or to legends.
Appearing (solely) in legends.
Having the splendor of a legend; fabled.
Having unimaginable greatness; excellent

nowhere it says legendary means takes months to get.

Who said they aren’t finished? I havent seen that quote from Anet. You could say they are finished and people don’t like their effects and maybe Anet updates them maybe they don’t. The torch is 60g and it looks great. Its not expensive cause people dont run around with torches to much. It has good effects. The weapon type isnt popular thats why its not as much as the other ones not because it isn’t "finished’ as you put it.

Ald.9418:

I can assure you without a doubt that a large amount of current legendaries were acquired by less than desirable practices. This option should be eliminated.

Unfortunately it may be too late to change since legendaries, in their current iteration, are carrying the economy.

Source? Data? Spreadsheet of your time spent on every server with all the people that have legendaries.

Hippocampus.8470:

Olba.5376:

It’s not necessarily the botters that are in control of the precursors. Most likely it’s TP merchants that bought them when they were cheap.

I doubt that this is the correct explanation, either. There are so few listed that you can essentially see when each one sells by paying attention to sites like gw2spidy, and from there I conclude that most if not all of the high-profile precursors currently on the TP were created/dropped within the past few weeks. Dusk and Dawn prices have recently spiked due, apparently, to having most of their sell listings bought up. The new listings, though at a higher price than before, aren’t really high enough for this to have been a reasonable attempt at buying and relisting for profit, considering how hefty the fee and tax get once you’re talking 400g items.

There are 13 shields for sale last I looked lowest was 213g. I think dusk and dawns where bought up. I don’t think they are selling at the price the “idiot” placed them at. So your stuck with a 444 price there where some that where higher than that and they are gone now. Dusk got as low as 375g and has hovered for the most part aroudn 400g since they where bought up. Zap was as low as 240g there where 2 listing at 205,206, and another at 210 those have all disappeared. I filled the 205g listing since I got zap from the forge the other night. Its hard to say what is being controlled and what isn’t I think someone or people are “trying” to control dusk and dawn I just don’t feel its possible. I got Zap on first combine just said Im going to put 8 swords in the forge that is why its hard to control precursors because anyone can get one.

Cerise.9045:

I got all of the component for the legendary that don’t involve money in less than a week.

I already have the karma/badges/other non-money junk for a 2nd legendary laying around, and I didn’t do any farming for those at all. The karma is extremely easy with the karma from dungeons and dailies/monthlies.

I’m strongly considering making a second legendary and selling it now.

People being able to sell base weapons for 300+ gold also results in people being able to control this market and make enormous amounts of profit because many of them have a profit margin of 50+ gold. I have seen evidence that trading in these base weapons is one of the ways RMT companies use to make money to sell to players illegally. But ANet is probably well aware of this as well.

Being able to make 50 gold just by buying and selling one item on the TP is completely insane. I’ve done it myself so I know how effective it is, in fact it’s by far the best way in this game to make money at all.

A better price that the base weapons should be around is 30 gold. This prevents a few people from controlling this market and making hundreds of gold each day.

And before people cry “but then everyone will run around with a legendary” or “you want free legendaries!?!?!” Think about it for a second.

You’re still dropping 140G on NPC items and 200+ G on lodestones, 100+G on ecto, and whatever else you need for the materials, so legendarily will still be expensive and hard to get.

The problem with this is, unless there is a a way for everyone to get a cheaper base weapon, for example with a mystic forge recipe, the horrible scenario I described on the first page will occur, and the market will become even more damage.

My suggestion:
Add a new temporary mystic forge recipe that requires

• 100 elonian wine
• whatever(ecto or something, not too much because the price is high enough)
• whatever(mystic coins, again not too much because the price for these should be stable, if the price for this skyrockets again it will allow speculators to again make hundreds of god and damage the economy)
• whatever(eldricht scroll? a different exotic weapon)

This will set the price for base weapons at around 40 gold WITHOUT DAMAGING THE MARKET BY LETTING PEOPLE GET 300+ GOLD THROUGH A RANDOM DROP

In case anyone is wondering why I want this changed so much even though I make a lot of money out of this, it’s pretty simple. I want this game to be a good as it can be, and this broken system is reducing the quality of the game. The money I make is just going to sit in my bank until the GW3 hall of monuments comes out and I use my money to buy my friends GW3 HoM points so they get cool things in GW3 so it doesn’t matter to me if I make 100G more or less.

That doesn’t fix the problem and it does damage the economy. If you make it 40g thats alot of people with Dawn right. What happens to charged lodestones? They skyrocket. The market is a free market hate it or love it. If they make precursors like your suggestion then someone with enough assets will buy the lodestones up and charge even more for them. Alot of the ingredients for precursors can be bought because of this making the precursors more available will cause those ingredients to go up. Anyone and everyone that has some capital will buy it up. I know people only 4 gold that will get in on a hot deal if you tell them to flip x on the TP or buy in on this or that.

Fay.2735:

Jericho.5940:

If you are claiming you’ve played 1000 hours (/age then u see play time 1000 hours?) “casually” and making only 3~5 gold a day then something can be done better here.

The general farming in north cursed shore will land you 2 gold / hour, for dungeon run, 1 run will land you roughly 30~50 silver (for the reward, token to get rare and salvage, and the loot).

So give it time and try to play more efficiently would help you on the road. Right now it’s EXACTLY incredible difficult to obtain but viable (you must’ve seen them running around you proving that even with all those so call difficulties it’s doable within 2 months).

Now to the unfair part, it’s how you see it. Lottery existed in real life too. It’s your choice to take the chance or spend the time. The point is, give the effort, you can get it. You just need a better way to mange your time to have better return.

Again, it’s been 2 months and we shouldn’t be expecting legendary to be owned by “casual” players. This is something you HAVE to work hard or be extremely lucky. If you have to argue about the luck part. I say good luck with it but it’s not my argument. I think you need to realize if you ‘re playing this game casually then you could expect your legendary to come within a year or so. It’s only up to you to choose the pace but this is something for sure doable. You need more patience.

I mostly do dungeons because it’s the most challenging PvE content in game so for me most enjoyable. I also run a very active guild and so a lot of my time is spend organising events, socialising etc.

What I mean with casual is someone who likes to do the content they like without having to grind for hours doing something incredibly boring and unrewarding. Of course I’ll keep at it but that’s not the point of my post, the point is that the way the precursors work now it makes it unfair.

Not sure why you put your hours played that doesnt= anything except hours played.

I can afk all the time doesn’t mean im going out experiencing the content. The current system is fair. In that me and you have the same % chance when we step to the forge to get a precursor. We just don’t control that % chance. The problem people seem to have is that they can’t control it. Like the guy above me said random isn’t unfair its random.

Psyduck.4701:

For what it’s worth, I feel that precursors are roughly where they need to be at the moment. While it’s true that RNG with the Mystic Forge is incredibly frustrating, if there is going to be another way to forge a precursor or obtain one, I’d still hope that prices for those remain high.

Atm some precursors are going for 25++ gold which is really dirt cheap.

Please don’t make legendaries easier to obtain.

This is something people don’t seem to focus on. If you are Arena Net you have to look a the entire precursor market not just Dawn, Dusk, and the Legend. Which is what everyone focuses on. You can buy the focus precursor for 25g on the TP right now that is dirt cheap. Regardless if you don’t like how the focus looks or not it is still a precursor and has to be factored into the equation.

I really don’t like the tie it to a quest idea because when the game came out everyone ran Ghost Eater in AC over and over because it was the easiest and most effecient. Now everyone runs all the paths not just because of the DR system but because all the paths are easy now. Why? youtube, guides, experience. I hated running the other 2 paths in AC then I ran it with a few guildes that had it down packed and can run all the paths in like 20-30 minutes. So while something can be hard at first doesn’t mean it remains hard. There has to be imo something that requires time.

Artaz.3819:

All ANet has to do is increase the drop rate of precursor to legendary weapons (a dramatic price point decrease) now that botting is severely reduced. This will push the market back to normalization for the overall cost of legendary weapons while allowing the market to freely flow with the other items needed to craft them based on a more economically sound model of supply and demand.

It’s so simple that I would be surprised that John Smith hasn’t seen it and recommended it already.

You don’t need to increase the drop rates of everything – only target what is a scarce resource. This also punishes those individuals that attempt mass-scale market manipulation.

Nope because more people with precursors = more lodestones that need to be required. Which means lodestone prices go up. I still don’t get why people think precursor=legendary and forget the rest of the components. Almost every argument never examines what would happen if more people had more precursors.

225 charged lodestones available right now. Thats not enough to craft 1 Aether and either 2 Sunrises or 2 Bolts. When they sell out any lodes that hit the market will sell at premium and you will be trying to get your lodestones competing against everyone else in the world making the same weapon as you. Hey you got your precursor though. Your going to have to probably pay now the price for the precursor in lodestones if not more!

Psientist.6437:

oZii,

If we can spend cash on gems, sell gems for Tyrian gold, spend Tyrian gold in Tyria then we can buy anything we want in Tyria with cash. Arenanet has designed a game that includes RMT of their games currency as a reasonable gameplay.

That is very true and correct. Though paying is not a necessity to enjoy the game or required to progress.

Psientist.6437:

Morthur.3894:

Ohoni.6057:

My level 80 character has only 24 gold, and yet it would cost 56 gold for me to buy enough gems on the marketplace to open all the Black Lion chests I’ve accumulated

This is exactly what Anet wants – working as intended. They want to de facto force you to buy horrendously overpriced keys/gems because paying them 60$ to play their game isn’t enough – you also need to constantly spend more money just to access all the loot.

Every time I loot one of those crappy chests I puke a little on my keyboard and my anger towards the person that came up with this idea increases.

This kind of crap is fine and dandy in some Korean free2play game where it’s the only income source for the company operating the game – but in a fully priced game like GW2? Simply outrageous.

Anet could only conceivably sink any lower by implementing a full cash shop like Diablo 3 or certain f2p games.

As a 5 year veteran of Guild Wars (GWAMM, 50/50 5k+ hrs) and a traditionally staunch supporter of Arenanet…I am actually having a difficult time typing this….

GW2 has a full cash shop and Arenanet’s choice to arbitrarily set the value of Tyrian gold is more exploitative than blizzard ever thought of being.

The full cash shop only has boosts and cosmetics how is it exploitative? o.O
None of it is needed for progression o.O Its totally exploitative having stuff in the cash shop I don’t have to have to play the game. Let me go get my mad king finisher for WvW cause it give me +100 power and +100 vitality o.O

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TeHjAcKaL.2975:

So we complain that bots are around Anet fixes that, now we complain we want them back? make up your minds.

-I personally am glad bots are gone, and prices should settle on what they should be, t6 mats should be a somewhat rarish drop, if you have the $ then yes u can buy yourself all the t6 mats u want for ur legendary, its a “legendary” meaning hard to obtain, i never got hard to obtain stuff… you know… by having bots do the work for me, i mean easy:>

this actually helps the market alot, people who need money can actually sell their used to be unvaluable t6 mats for a decent price, they can now buy consumables/armors/etc or things they needed, people with money will pay, and they will still make money thats why its the tp, 1 person sells other buys, you dont have to be that other, by you and i both know, its probably gonna be you thats gonna be that other.

Lastly, as i do agree with Anet that prices should you know go back to being balanced
due to bots not supplying t6 mats etc anymore, i also agree that prices will get really high! and gold farming just isnt… cutting it, Anet needs to provide a way for players to make some decent cash for the market to truly, balance out, without diminishing returns if some1 wants to work themselves to the bone to make alot of money let them? if some people need spare change or enough for cool items that cost 10g and they have 1g, why should they have to work for 2-3-4 days cuz of diminishin returns?

Now that the supply will be regular again, we also need a decent way to actually buy/sell things. 300g for a precursor, or 250g or 200g, how many days do u think itll take to get that much g? if people make like 8g a day, probably less… lets calculate based off a 5g per day
300/5=60 days, 2 whole months. for 1 part of a legendary, 10g per day 30 days? thats ridiculous, now lets calculate repairs, miscellaneous tp’s etc etc, its gonna take longer than a month, or 60 days, and prices continue to rise on these precursors.
250g/5=50 days 250g/10=25
200g(lowest precursor ive seen)/5=40 200g/10=20 straight DAYS of farming, uninterrupted farming

-Now Anet i know this is not the only way to get a precursor, but when you check out a 45 minute youtube video of some1 throwing in hundreds of rares into the mystic forge, to get 0 precursors, and wasting over 100-150g on it, its really the only way to go, cuz Gambling for something that should be gotten out of hard work is not an option.

-We need a way to earn gold, without playing for 30/60 days straight to get enough gold for 1 precursor. now calculate how much itll cost to get the rest of that legendary and how much time itll take then tell me we dont deserve a way to get the G without the DR

The lowest precursor is 24g! The scepter is like 60g the horn is like 50g. Torch is back down to 65g.

Also 100g=/= precursor its not a guaranteed gamble. So I don’t know why people are suprised if a guy throws 100g in the forge and gets nothing. If I go buy $100 in lottery tickets I know that doesnt guarantee me a jackpot. If the person did any research and looked in the precursor R&D instead of thinking to himself 100g is my limit its precursor or bust. Most of the numbers point to 20% drop rate for exotic from the forge which you can resell to recoup the cost, sometimes you profit sometimes you break even or lose. Most agree that 300g ist he number you want to look at to get you close to that .1 for the precursor drop.

Also if you know how the process works you know that everything you do goes toward the legendary. So you grind karma on cursed and make money at the same time. You need at a min 750k karma if your lucky to get your 77 clovers and replace your shards for the 250. If you do the 1 or 10 recipe you will also get back t6 mats which go for you gift of x for the legendary. You might even jack pot and get 6 charged lodestones that you don’t need cause your making the Torch and you sell those on the TP for 12g-18g depending on what they are selling for. If you need map completion you get skill points you need to make the clovers and the bloodstone.

You make it sound like you have to have gold to do every piece of the legendary process and that it can only be worked on in succession and not simultaneously. While your farming cursed shore there are plenty of mithiril deposits around for you gift of metal, plenty of dust is going to drop and rares for ecto etc.

Bubbles.2507:

What they should do is institute a flat recipe of a precursor using primarily icy runestones. That way, the prices of other materials aren’t affected and at least you know how much more your precursor will cost.

That will only address 3 or 4 precursors while raising the price of the cheaper ones. Everyone only focuses on about 3 precursors. So while your suggestion would effect the top 3 most popular precursors. What about the guy who wants to craft the Minstrel that is his legendary as he may not like the top 3. The Focus precursor goes for 24g atm on the TP.

You now raised artificially raised the price of the bard just because of the price of Dusk, The legend, and Dawn. That wouldn’t really be fair imo and would open a totally different door of threads.

AsteriskCGY.5931:

Colbear.6425:

If you choose to do it the hard and uncertain way (trying to forge one yourself) instead of the easy and direct way (selling the 200-300g worth of exotic weapons you went through and buying it off the TP), then it makes sense that you might have bad luck. But even if they made a “direct” way to get a precursor, it’d still be something that takes hundreds of hours to do, and then people will be saying “this takes hundreds of hours to farm, it’s not fair”. In fact, people are already saying that about charged lodestones, even though it’s certainly possible to farm them at a slow but steady rate (it just takes a long time).

The people who are selling precursors aren’t only “people who lucked out”. They’re also people who’ve thrown thousands of exotics or tens of thousands of rares into the MF.

Also if it dropped from a unique boss, that’d be even worse – “boss doesn’t spawn often enough”, “always overcamped so I can’t see/do anything”, “it never drops because it’s super rare”, “i don’t want to buy it off the TP from someone who lucked it”, “i fight the boss once every 3 hours but if it only drops it 1% of the time then I have to spend months getting bad drops from this boss in the hopes that I might get the precursor I want”

A direct farm is a less arguable position than one of a pure gamble. If I can see gains towards a goal I’m more willing to push for it than having to roll a 1 million sided die for 1 number a million times. Especially the work required to get to 1 roll.

Also don’t forget there was the exploit using low level rares to gamble for precursors early on. Most of that supply is still in the market.

Yea, world bosses lead to the overcamping, and as is all precursors should drop from a dungeon chest like any other chest in the game, so it’s still a chance from a boss either way.

Most of the supply of the exploit precursors is on the market? You really believe that? That was a while ago. I have seen plenty of dusks hit the tp and disappear since then at prices lower than they are now.

Fabsm.5897:

A: No, the precursors (as the Legendaries) are meant to be the rarest of items, and the stuff of Legends.

You won’t be a Legendary Hero if it was so easy as to follow a recipe.

IMO, Legendaries should be a guild-effort like Thunderfury was in WoW. Yes, i know someone of you farmed it by himself when the content was outdated, but in that times, it will need a guild effort to make it.

This could be a suggestion for Anet. Let’s make Legendaries a guild effort, instead of a personal one.

Much of the whining will cease instantly.

This is already possible I know a guild that is already doing this. The GL has Kudzu they are working on dusk for another member they just have to get the lodestones together they will go after frostfang next.

Mutiny.4180:

But will that shift ever bring the gems-to-gold exchange rate to something desirable? I’m afraid even 1g for 100 gems is something we won’t see for a long while, if ever. Much less 2g.

It was that on the 23rd of october o.O

100 gems = 1.19g

Gankfest.4965:

Wolfgang Michael.8217:

If you checked the prices of the mats recently, you would notice it has gone up. However, the Item crafted still remains the same price.

Yes I have noticed that, and for saw that it was due to RMT trading. Even before the initial spike tho, it was the same way. Most of the time it’s more worthwhile to sell your mats rather than craft them and sell your goods. It’s a sucky system.

If you got in the t5 mats while they where low and had some surplus then you could have craft crap people throw in the forge. I know GS jumped 10s since the mats went up and their isn’t alot of them for sale. Rare ones that is.

Im sure more stuff will be added I think this new update will add some things since it will result in permanent changes to the world after the event is over. Halloween was a small sample of what is to come and from what I am reading this update is a big one so it will give us a idea of other updates. Then 1 month after this update is Wintersday on the 15th of Dec at least that is what it was in GW1 and it goes till the beginning of Jan.

is this a pump and dump thread?

Darmikau.9413:

oZii.2864:

but those prices always rise and fall.

You mean just rise. Dusk, Dawn, Legend, and others have never become cheaper.

I mean fluctuate. Dusk was 444 a few days ago last I checked there was 1 listed for 375.

also there are more than 3 precursors in the game too.

TSLlol.4879:

Right now I’m very near to having everything I need for my legendary.
Except one thing.
THE PRECURSOR…

Sofar I’ve reforged 216 l76+ EXOtic Shortbows, and nothing.

And this is really putting me off playing the game and working my way to my legendary. It’s already very hard to earn decent gold in the game (yes there is the TP, but there’s no fun in that tbh).

I’d rather work myself to getting a precursor instead of throwing a kittenload of gold at somebody who lucked it out… (no, working myself to 300+g is NOT fun)

Couldn’t we just have some unique bosses that drop the precursors or some thing, similarly to GW1??

(also sorry for the weird title, apparently it was 52 characters long and the max is 50)

Another one of those I need a recipe thread? Tunnel Vision on the precursor.

You know what happens if Anet makes a sure fire way to get a precursor? Did you really think about it before making the OP? If Anet give you sure fire way to get a precursor more people will have them right? Cool happy happy joy joy. Now 8 people just got their guaranteed precursor. They need charged lodestone. There inst 800 charged lodestones on the TP. Price for charged lodestones goes way up (higher than they are now) then you come to forums and ask for a direct way to get charged lodestones.

Recent market shift is about the economy as a whole 10 people get on their soap boxes about precursors and legendaries being expensive. They where expensive before they are expensive now. Throwing omg the Gift x is more exkittenve now its always been expensive even at dirt cheap prices.

Now this thread has turned to people crying about legendaries when thats not what this thread is really about. I know somebody will point to the price of the precursor going up but those prices always rise and fall.

DootmasterX.3025:

I was farming Orr yesterday and everyone in the group was getting gold drops, normally we convert them into ectos. Now the rate you get ectos has gone way down it seems. I salvaged about 12 rares and got only 1 ecto. Therefore now most of us are playing it safe and selling the rares themselves and letting the buyer assume the risk of ecto conversion.

Oh that speculation 12 rares salvaged = 1 ecto definitely suggest a nerf to Ecto Drop rate o.O. No further testing is needed on the matter.

@Drunken Mad King

Have to agree with Astraea.

Precursor prices are not set by Anet they are set by players the same goes for the halloween skins. So if anything you could point to not allowing certain items to be sold like Astraea said. If it is those higher end items like a precursor for example. Then you have to do the same for every component that is required to craft a legendary because someone one will find a way to get the most bang for their buck somewhere. If precursors are account bound then the price for lodestones will go up. If lodestones are account bound then the price for x ingredient used in Gift of x will go up.

Also not every gamer has a infinite amount of time to play the game. By allowing the precursor to be purchased or legendary items to be purchased it allows 9-5 john to be able buy 1 if he doesn’t have time to grind it out as much as someone else. Precursor is only 1 piece of the pie of a legendary I don’t know why people keep forgetting that. You are affected by RNG or buying items of the tp for every other component for a precursor outside of Map completion.

Drunken Mad King.8193:

oZii.2864:

Drunken Mad King.8193:

Hey John could we get some comments on the real substance of the debate instead of your response which is very similar to this comment:

Hey guys Water is wet. (Yes we know Gold Sellers are bad)(move on and lets talk about how to address the problem instead of in the failed concept of scare tactics. See how well that did on the war on drugs… amazingly successful eh?)

Lets talk about how the company’s handling of things actually contribute to Gold Sellers.

Got your pitch fork out? Like you want Anet to come out and say yes we have caused people to do go to gold seller.

If you where to break down why someone would go to a GS then you could say 1 part of the reason is they felt the price is unfair offered by Anet. I myself don’t think the price is unfair. You obviously do and would you consider going to a GS? I will pay whatever the price is at if I want to buy gems that bad because it goes to directly support Anet. So If I myself have no problem with paying the rate for Gems and you have a problem paying the rate and want to go 3rd party how is that Anet’s problem? Im willing to follow their rules you are not. You get ban hammer possibly I don’t have to worry about logging in and seeing a screen that says I have been banned. You buy 3rd party everytime you log in you could be your last login. Its pretty simple concept

So what would your solution be? Let me guess have Anet lower the price to match 3rd party which would in turn make 3rd party lower the Price even more.

Go back and read my posts. You apparently haven’t read a single one of mine. I have never 1 time stated they need to lower the price of gems or gold or any item they put on the BLTP. I have stated clearly and unequivocally stated what they do to encourage gold sellers and buyers.

I read your posts you state that they “contribute” “boost” “encourage” gold seller and buyers.

You offer no solution so you want them to come out and say “Our gem prices are a factor in why a person would buy from a Gold Seller” thats what your looking for?

Are saying that items in game should not be able to be acquired by micro transactions?

Drunken Mad King.8193:

Hey John could we get some comments on the real substance of the debate instead of your response which is very similar to this comment:

Hey guys Water is wet. (Yes we know Gold Sellers are bad)(move on and lets talk about how to address the problem instead of in the failed concept of scare tactics. See how well that did on the war on drugs… amazingly successful eh?)

Lets talk about how the company’s handling of things actually contribute to Gold Sellers.

Got your pitch fork out? Like you want Anet to come out and say yes we have caused people to do go to gold seller.

If you where to break down why someone would go to a GS then you could say 1 part of the reason is they felt the price is unfair offered by Anet. I myself don’t think the price is unfair. You obviously do and would you consider going to a GS? I will pay whatever the price is at if I want to buy gems that bad because it goes to directly support Anet. So If I myself have no problem with paying the rate for Gems and you have a problem paying the rate and want to go 3rd party how is that Anet’s problem? Im willing to follow their rules you are not. You get ban hammer possibly I don’t have to worry about logging in and seeing a screen that says I have been banned. You buy 3rd party everytime you log in you could be your last login. Its pretty simple concept

So what would your solution be? Let me guess have Anet lower the price to match 3rd party which would in turn make 3rd party lower the Price even more.

Nimraphel.7819:

oZii.2864:

1 person has a small effect on the TP since most T6 mats are farmed like crazy. Alot of people are buying in on T6 mats I know I have so when the time comes I’’ll make a pretty good profit I can cash in now for good returns.

Do you honestly belive they will keep rising? Right now the prices on T6 mats are ludicrous.

oZii.2864:

More people are starting to understand how the economy work in GW2 not everyone buying them up is also trying to resell like myself. I told friend that need them for whatever they are crafting to buy some while they are low now so they won’t have to pay more later.

This is not normal fluctuations. These are, I repeat, not normal economic fluctuations in a healthy economy.

I dont know if they will keep rising but I can always check. If they start to drop then I will sell then its not hard. Why isnt it normal? Halloween saw a spike when people speculated on what would be need to craft halloween recipes. Same thing is happening here.

People probably assume bots will be gone or there will be a big ban wave on bots so that means less supply same demand. So prices will go up. Its only been 1 day the sky isn’t falling.

Black liion chest spiked before halloween and dropped. Makes sense to me. Its about a week out from the event on the 15th of november Black lion chest peaked 1 week before halloween.

Like the poster said above people might be spending more since halloween is over. Nobody comes to the forums and makes OMG T6 mats are dirt cheap topic. Which is what happened at halloween prices across the board dropped for anything that wasn’t halloween related or wasn’t the result of some speculation.

Hoood.4935:

How do you know you will make good profit? Do i missed something?

because I bought 100 armored scales at 6s and last i looked they where 8.7s o.O

Hoood.4935:

This is getting out of control, i think someone is trying to manipulate the TP again, becouse of the Anet’s post, as you mentioned this is not normal economic fluctuation

1 person has a small effect on the TP since most T6 mats are farmed like crazy. Alot of people are buying in on T6 mats I know I have so when the time comes I’’ll make a pretty good profit I can cash in now for good returns.

More people are starting to understand how the economy work in GW2 not everyone buying them up is also trying to resell like myself. I told friend that need them for whatever they are crafting to buy some while they are low now so they won’t have to pay more later.

Slic.2406:

John Smith.4610:

I don’t want to get into an argument, so this is the last statement I will make here:
Of the data that I have seen. Which is significant. It is reasonable to say
1) Goldsellers are a criminal group
2) Goldsellers damage games
3) Goldsellers cannot be classified as competition because they are not in the same industry

These are not statements of belief. They are statements of statistics.

I understand they are almost always criminal in some way. But you seem to not understand how CRIMINAL your own gem prices are. The amount of gems you get a dollar is simply that – CRIMINAL. It is an abysmal deal, most players will not ever use credit cards in your gem store, because you seem to not understand how to offer attractive deals to your clients. This is also a fact statement, none of the 80+ players I have talked to about the gem prices have been even remotely happy with the dollar -> gem conversion.

This is what my analogy was alluding to. That the legitimate patent holder/inventor of the Koenigsegg are also, in a way, criminal, because they are abusing their power, be it backed by law or not. Hence, also my choice of the word totalitarian.

While you are not going to reply in this thread anymore, I hope you do read what I have typed to you carefully, because I have personally been witness to a lot of software company follies of this kind.

Conversely I know people that bought gems from the gem store to get keys for the chests. I bought Gems from the Gem store for keys from the chest. I got GS skin and 2 1h swords made 85g on the first day of Halloween from that gamble. 3rd party didnt cross my mind at all.

SteepledHat.1345:

I honestly believe that almost every one of you with a precursor or legendary either
a. Bought it from a gold seller
b. Used an exploit to get it
c. Used and exploit to make money to get it.

Very, very, very few of you got it legitimately. None of you grinded for the gold unless you did so when it was very cheap. (Around the 10g mark.) There simply hasn’t been enough time for a non botter to have made enough money to have bought the precursors and all the legendary components.

So yeah, when I see one I don’t go “Wow! I bet he worked hard.”

It’ll never have that effect. I’m not the only person that thinks this way.

You should report them if you are so sure they exploited/cheated. Probably should report all the people in this thread. They aren’t throwing rares in the forge and getting precursors wait they are!! Where does the money come from? Hmmm gotta be GS. There is all the evidence you need. Mass amounts of money thrown into the MF go get them banned so you feel better.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/Keep-track-of-how-many-rares-you-use-to-make-pre-legendary/page/4#post648829

Seeing as how its not possible to get a precursor from the MF right? You can only get it from 1 of the ways you described. rofl

Like this guy

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/12rjn9/just_got_dusk_from_the_eternal_battleground/

I bet he used a script to put dusk in the chest or he photoshopped it to troll us all o.O

Azelroth.6801:

Andalamar.4201:

I don’t understand why people complain so hard for a skin. Getting a Legendary is part of something different to do at end-game, but the end result doesn’t need to be an absolute achievement for this MMO. Also, I want to add that the process of getting a Legendary should take much longer than 2 weeks to a month and I’d hazard a guess that it’s what ANet devs intended in the first place… Either way, it’s certainly not that ANet doesn’t care; it’s because the Legendary system and crafting don’t need to be changed whatsoever.

The system isn’t broken. The demand far outweighs the offer, since everybody wants to have a Legendary and don’t realize that it’s never going to happen. Heck, trying to find another skin than a Legendary may yield you interesting results…

Let’s face it. ANet doesn’t even need to give us an official response for complaints about something that isn’t broken, is entirely optional. People expecting for one are the ones with their heads in the sand.

I somewhat agree with your thought process but in relation to the point you made about the system not being broken….

(In my opinion) if it takes someone 1 combine and they get a precursor and it takes someone else 4000 combines and they don’t get a precursor. I would consider this a highly unbalanced/unfair and a broken system.

Why can’t they be made with the same amount of effort – that would be more fair, wouldn’t it? Why favour one player’s time more then anothers, are we not all equals?

Because the person that thew in his first 4 rares for a chance at a precursor had the same % drop rate as the guy who threw in 1000. He just get his on his first trip to the forge.

Snow.5269:

Dusk @ 500g, still no response on issue…

Probably because it dropped down to 380g in like a day? Your reply shows that you have no patience at all. Like you where waiting for it to hit 500g and say I told you so.

Jericho.5940:

Good question. Would want to know the actual answer to it. My guess is it would share the CD.

Yea its shared. If you have any sigil that has a CD its shared. So if you proc Rage 45 sec CD then you have fire on another weapon set you have to wait 45 secs for fire to proc.

Imperatora.7654:

ok, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t there already a 100% guaranteed way to get a precursor?

From the trade post?

You sir are correct no RNG involved. This will be dismissed however because they cost to much which is totally different discussion but some how gets rolled into 1.

Drunken Mad King.8193:

No that is not the same scenario. Here is the same.

Jimmy likes linkin park. Linkin Park decides to sell CD’s with a chance to have linkin park sign a tshirt, guitar, or some other item with all the band members signature. Jimmy buys bunches of CD’s in hopes of getting said item or then sees those items being offered by people on Linkin Park’s website for super high pricing. Jimmy also sees that he can get the item through craigslist by some person that is offering it at 1/3’rd the cost.

What I am saying is that they created the scenario which creates high demand for both the item and the gold needed to buy the item. Had they put it at a reasonable drop rate for a holiday event then the prices would have been nominal and guess what? The demand for the gold sellers wouldn’t have been there.

If the items were uncommon but not rare the items wouldn’t have had a value so high which in turn would not create a possible demand for gold sellers.

To act like Anet doesn’t feed the beast is ludicrous.

Had they made Legendary precursors also Account bound on receipt it would have again also removed a ton of the need for gold buyers. I know they would have had to adjust the rate but instead what they did was feed the beast.

When you create high demands for gold you in turn create opportunities for gold sellers.

So in your scenario Jimmy knows that their is a “chance” to get a cd or not get a CD. Jimmy decides to go to craigslist to buy the CD at 1/3 the price. Which in turn doesn’t support his Favorite band. Thats not Linkin Parks fault. It’s still Jimmy’s fault if I go to the kentucky Derby and bet on Shoe Shine Charlie I can’t gamble the same amount of money as the billionaire next to me I have to gamble what I have or I could try to rob the billionaire when he is on his way to the bathroom then turn around and gamble that money. Thats not the billionaires fault that I chose to rob him or the venues.

Gold sellers will always be around just like piracy will always be around. You can’t model your business around people that do it the dishonest way.

They made the drop rates on the skins low, they then increased the drop rates on the skins with the mad king chests. They didnt however hand them out for free they did give out temporary skins.

I just dont see any scenario that Anet is anyway responsible for how people spend their money out side of GW2. All they can do is make it attractive and if security of purchase isnt attractive to someone I don’t what will be honestly. Anyone that would risk it to go 3rd party would do so regardless of the rate. If Anet right now lowered their rate to meet 3rd party. 3rd party lowers their rate to beat Anet 3rd party buyer would still go for the best deal but it have more risk.

Its like I used the example of supporting your favorite band

If Jimmy likes linkin park but doesn’t have the money to buy Linkin Park’s new album online at iTunes its Jimmy’s on to decide if he wants to wait and save till he has enough or seek out other means to obtain his album. That’s not Linkin Parks fault that Jimmy doesn’t have enough money to buy their album. If Jimmy is impatient Jimmy is going to go download it for free.

Thats example has no gambling in it at all and it applies to the same in game. You have to pay the money to gamble everyone knows that. If you don’t have the money to gamble with that isnt anet’s fault they don’t punch your clock or give you a raise. If you decide to find a better deal for your dollar which comes with high risk again that still isn’t anet’s fault they still don’t punch your clock or give you a raise. When you bring outside source into the game then it becomes Anet’s grounds to do with you what they like if you are caught.

I play on a medium pop server and I get kicked to overflow during halloween, still have ques in WvW.

Most 80’s are in Orr at the Camps, Plinx, or in a Dungeon for the Most part.

Most people hang out in lions Arch. There are 3 dragons so people could be there. Plus every dungeon entrance people hang out in front of there LFGng.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

It would be better if they made server-based economies. Would cut down on some of that.

It also make it easier to corner the market and price gouge too.

Drunken Mad King.8193:

John Smith.4610:

The currency exchange is not a lottery system, it is exactly what its name says it is.
Even if it were, the answer to your question would be no, because one entails personal/risk reward while the other requires you to account for the damage to this game and gaming in general which will fail an objective cost benefit 100% of the time.

John,

As neblim correctly surmised I am speaking of when you introduce things like your gambling methods to your BLT chests which then sent items onto the market for ridiculous prices. You have then introduced gambling with horrible return rates for the general customer. What I am asking is that when you add gambling for real money into your game do you not think that will encourage players to gamble with gold sellers?

Another terrible argument! If your saying that RNG is gambling then every mmo in history is gambling.

You can’t pin 3rd party on Anet it doesn’t apply.

You know why those prices for the items in the BLTC cost so much? Your fellow gamers not Anet.

Arena net didt put up GS skin on the TP and list it at 80g ROFL.

I however got the GS skin and sold it for 65g and 2 1h chain swords for 11g apiece so I guess you should blame me for forcing you to go 3rd party and risk identity theft so you can wield a chainsaw. My apologies I had no idea you where so easily persuaded.

albinofa.8204:

Then it kills the whole point of having a legendary weapon… you don’t want to transmutate a weapon it took months to get! and it should also have slight better attributes than exotics…

Not this!

If legendaries had better stats than exotics even 2 points omg the forums would really be a mess then. I like the system the way it is.