Guild Wars 2

temerity.7824:

Basically, in this thread: Entitled people whining that new players are getting the game cheaper than they got it 3 years akitten

ay let’s clarify: That’s two totally differents situations.

I already brought the game at 60$ & enjoyed it.
Then a new offer directed at new players comes they sell the game at 10$.
I’m not eligible & not interested because I already own it.

Now our situation:
I already brought the game at 60$ I played it for 5K hours.
I’m waiting for the expansion.
Anet releases a selling offer for the expansion adressed to new players and existing players .
Except that the offer is amazing for new players and seems like a ripoff for existing players .

To me is like Anet says :
You are a newplayer you can have a freebie + the expansion.
You are an existing player , you are not eligible for a freebie. thx for your support.

That’s more akin to disrespecting the existing player base.

Best reddit answer I have seen :

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3aax7m/we_love_you_anet/

How many sequels are released with the prequel bundled in? Quite a few. Bayonetta ringing a bell?

Sequel + prequel is not equivalent to MMO + expansion pack by any mean.
At least not by what we know so far on HoT.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

WoW bundles its previous expansions together for free. Its community doesn’t complain. EverQuest did the same.

First post.

WOW example
I really like this example because everyone is milked the same way.
Mind you as Oct 2014 Blizzard offered all previous expansions to owner of the base game & put the new expansion at 50$ (correct me if I’m wrong).
For all players that owned all the expansions they got rewarded with reduction on the store from Blizzard as loyal customer.
To me this is good customer relation (& I loathe blizzard normally).
Anet adopted the opposite direction; they gifted newcomer & say no no to existing player.
To me this is really bad customer relation

Duke Blackrose.4981:

They’ve bundled it for free with the expansion. So what?

You don’t go out and buy a $60 game off of Steam on its release week and then complain that it is on sale for 75% off a couple years later. You don’t complain when said game is given for free to PSN/XBOX live players some years down the line.

Okay let’s clarify: That’s two totally differents situations.

I already brought the game at 60$ & enjoyed it.
Then a new offer directed at new players comes they sell the game at 10$.
I’m not eligible & not interested because I already own it.

Now our situation:
I already brought the game at 60$ I played it for 5K hours.
I’m waiting for the expansion.
Anet releases a selling offer for the expansion adressed to new players and existing players.
Except that the offer is amazing for new players and seems like a ripoff for existing players.

To me is like Anet says :
You are a newplayer you can have a freebie + the expansion.
You are an existing player, you are not eligible for a freebie. thx for your support.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

. 1 year+ players are owed nothing – they’ve gotten the time from their game.

Really I need some input on that…because this make no sense to me at all.
I bought the game; play the hell of it, supported the company but I’m not supposed to have a decent sale offer for the expansion like any new player ?

This is what Anet propose to people that ask for an HoT upgrade when they bought GW2 before the FAQ ninja update.

Edit: I added other streamer opinions.

WP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtMGS3ezLI
BO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edSCWmsZyjI
DT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeQDr6eoA-M
MM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B1LhVBNFyE
EO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw4XDuM4n38
Jebro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UkDFUXqXZo
XKrieg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjAKaYIc0pI

I will focus on BO as he was the first to release when I did the first post.
I got 9 point out of his video, so I’m gonna try to respond to all of them.

These deals are amazing for new players
Yes they are: all of them.
The issue is that they are horrible for existing player
The standard is a rippoff.
The deluxe only come with digital goodie and the famous slot.
The ultimate wins hands down thank to one thing: the 4000 gems.
So for existing player the better deal is the costly one.

Anet don’t want to have to deal with playerbase with either HoT or Core GW2, so no too two license instance
I do think he have a valid point here.
But how every other MMO deals with people not having an expansion and Anet can’t ?
I’m genuinely interested there.

We haven’t seen all the content of HoT (PVE more exactly)
I agree on that too. So let’s wait & take a decision after.
We are not forced to pre purchase right now & we can still vote with our wallet later on.

What’s the reward for playing the game as an existing player
To me, this is a non issue.
Current existing player decided to play the game & enjoyed it.
Newcomers didn’t, it’s their choice. Thus for me it’s off-topic regarding the current situation.

WOW example
I really like this example because everyone is milked the same way.
Mind you as Oct 2014 Blizzard offered all previous expansions to owner of the base game & put the new expansion at 50$ (correct me if I’m wrong).
For all players that owned all the expansions they got rewarded with reduction on the store from Blizzard as loyal customer.
To me this is good customer relation (& I loathe blizzard normally).
Anet adopted the opposite direction; they gifted newcomer & say no no to existing player.
To me this is really bad customer relation.

cashshop revenue
I don’t recall exactly but seems like the average revenue on the cashshop is 4$ per player per year.
Here a link; https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/mmo-arpu/
I’m not completely sure of the source so take it with a grain of salt.
He is totally right to point toward whales.
But here that’s what’s my personnal experience:

I’m a whale as I spend up to 50$ on cashshop per month.
Right now, I’m in utter disgust of how Anet treated existing player and I’m seriously thinking about leaving.
I have no proof of that but I would think that most whales are really dedicated player more than newcomer at least.
I don’t think that I’m the only whale that this issue has seriously upset.

This issue could be a major whale drawback for Anet.

Character slot precedent
Really good point considering Anet past on the matter.
Add to that: players begged for the character slot in this topic :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Character-Slot-for-Heart-of-Thorns-Merged
Yet it only get introduced in the last two versions which only the last one is interesting for existing player.

ANET ninja edit of FAQ
I don’t think that Anet ninja edit of the FAQ right before the annoucement is good commercial practice by any mean.
They should have clearly stated a plan about this during the announcement in order to come out clean.
This just amplify the flash sell at 10 $ & makes what’s follow worst.
Add to that the current official answer that even if you bought the game 2 months ago at 40$;
– You have to pay HoT at 50$ without any compensation
or
– Ask for a reimboursement, update & loose all your progress.

Physical collector
No physical collector: yes that sucks.

TDLR
Now what I think Anet have always been very bad at handling communication.
It happened countless time to have player wishes totally misinterpreted.
The last one that upset me was the NPE as I have been playing the game since launch.
But there were plenty over mild instance that I can’t recall right now.

Where it’s start to really hurt is :
– The FAQ edit & flash sells
– The ultimate being the only decent deal for veteran while newcomers get an heck of a deal.
– The slot denied behind the ultimate version or 10$ possible suplementary bucks.
– The recent existing player not allowed to keep their progression or forced to buy the expansion full price.
All of these make a lot of stomach at once, thus the outcry.

This is by far Anet biggest blunder to date.
That’s just my 2 cents on the issue. Feel free to post.

I am watching it right now.

Leo G.4501:

Funny, people praise and link WoodenPotato videos about various subjects but no one seems to want to mention his video about this particular subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtMGS3ezLI

I ultimately agree with his premise about new players vs vet players and sort of do with regarding the price point but I still believe, once the expansion is rolled out, that’s not the only content we’ll ever get with it. Anet advertised the expansion as access to HoT content, and likely that means there will be yet-created content that will continue to be made that is only available to those who have access to the expansion areas. Just like purchasing the game at launch was also buying access to Living story content and continued updates, so will there be more additions to masteries and such.

Btw bogotter put a new video didn’t look at it yet.

This is currently what enticed me to take all what they said with a grain of salt;

Just to joke a bit.

SoPP.7034:

Is Anet aware of these kind of responses from people? I’m just struggling with how I’ve almost done a 180 on this.

You are far from being the only one.

Hey, remember the reddit post with the help for recent buyer of GW2.
Guess what ?
Here; their answer to people asking for help.

http://i.imgur.com/T0lpOQO.jpg

Jski.6180:

So i am going to link this its fun to play with but when you use it ask your self how much is it to make a game or expatiation now becuse this is just inflation only. I like to bring up the ideal of if needed goods and services go up in price then non-needed goods and services should go up too. Its nice to live in a dream world where prices never changes but they do and entertainment tends to changes much faster then needed items. I would not be shocked at one point we will see games nearing the 100$ ranges as they are now (system games).

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

One more reason to stop condoning bad commercial practice.

Coodles.6198:

I bought Warlords of Draenor when it came out and it had the content of every expansion previous to it. I hadn’t played in a while and only had my Vanilla discs left. Draenor provided everything from the previous versions so that people like myself didn’t have to go buy all the expansions just to get the new one.

That’s incorrect; As of Oct 2014, all expansions except for the latest one (Warlords of Draenor) are free with the purchase of the base-game.

So they rebundled the previous expansion into the base game.
The last extension didn’t give you any right over the previous one.
Blzzard actually rewarded you for being an existing customer contrary to Anet that are actually ignoring us.

Coodles.6198:

Now with that in mind, the base game coming with it is FREE!!! It’s not adding on to the price of the expansion. It makes complete sense to have the content you need in order to play the expansion to come along with it. ……….
Look at other franchise’s expansions for example. Every expansion that comes out for WoW comes with all the previous expansions. It would turn off many new players if they have to buy every version seperately of the game in order to get the new one. While GW2 is still young in its expansion life, this principle still holds true.

Please proves the bold part:
A bundle with the core game exist but it’s usually coming with a extension alone package. here there is only one package.

Coodles.6198:

Now with that in mind, the base game coming with it is FREE!!!

As for the game is now free; I didn’t heard GW2 core going free2play from Anet nor Anet offering free account to anyone registering & willing to have one.

briggah.7910:

Ok lets just wait and see if anet does win. Lets drop it all together. Going back and forth trying to prove points when we all have different opinions on who’s point is right is only making both of us look stupid.

Thank you, I agree.

AlexanderFalkor.4765:

papry.8096:

AlexanderFalkor.4765:

mrstealth.6701:

AlexanderFalkor.4765:

sigh why do i bother you wont understand or choose not too which ever it is do as you will i care not ill be buying the expansion with or without input that’s all i care about i can give the code the core game to my brother maybe he’ll like the game too and we can play it together

You don’t get a core game code, you get a single code for HoT+ core game. You add that to your existing account, and get nothing but HoT.

well then i could just buy him the game with the leftover money i have after buying the expansion it really makes no differance to me

Oh yeah this is GOLD!!
You just admitted that you spent your time defending Anet while not having a clear idea of what going on.
XD

i don’t care really your opinion means little to me i will do as i want same as you will

The truth is hard for you but you are right on the last part.

AlexanderFalkor.4765:

mrstealth.6701:

AlexanderFalkor.4765:

sigh why do i bother you wont understand or choose not too which ever it is do as you will i care not ill be buying the expansion with or without input that’s all i care about i can give the code the core game to my brother maybe he’ll like the game too and we can play it together

You don’t get a core game code, you get a single code for HoT+ core game. You add that to your existing account, and get nothing but HoT.

well then i could just buy him the game with the leftover money i have after buying the expansion it really makes no differance to me

Oh yeah this is GOLD!!
You just admitted that you spent your time defending Anet while not having a clear idea of what going on.
XD

mrstealth.6701:

AlexanderFalkor.4765:

sigh why do i bother you wont understand or choose not too which ever it is do as you will i care not ill be buying the expansion with or without input that’s all i care about i can give the code the core game to my brother maybe he’ll like the game too and we can play it together

You don’t get a core game code, you get a single code for HoT+ core game. You add that to your existing account, and get nothing but HoT.

I think he will make a new account & give is old account to his brother.
Or a least I hope so because this is gold otherwise.

Strix Nebulosa.3579:

However they have to pay all those amazing employees who use their creativity, imagination and ingenuity to create a game I play all the time. I trust they struggled to find the best price for this expansion and either they have their reasons (such as they need to pay their employees) or they made a mistake. Either way they are listening to us and I know they will try and find a balance that in the end supports the future of this game! (cause I can’t wait to explore the jungle by glider!! EEEK!)

Sorry but the tear machine dried.
Anet marketing/whoever it was have done his job very poorly.
They lost my trust, now they will face the consequence.
I’m not going to condone neglect & breach of trust toward customer for any reason.
Bad commercial behavior are to be punished, period.

AlexanderFalkor.4765:

sigh all this rage for what a slight lie whoop dido have you ever considered that they didnt think of the fact they would do a bundle deal when they posted the FAQ months ago i mean they are only human humans make mistakes no one is perfect

Then In this case you apologize & propose reimboursement/deal for anyone that has buyed the game before the ordeal.
You don’t ninja-edit the FAQ, put a m************ to every existing player & then go silent.
Clarity & consistency ?

AWACS.6537:

Xar.1387:

AWACS.6537:

Nuzt.7894:

Xar.1387 is really reaching now, “they said you will need the core game, they never said you need to purchase it”.

Why don’t you go into a store the next time they announce something new is available and try and walk out with it, then explain that they never advertised that you need to pay for it as they escort you to the backroom, let us know how that goes for you.

He has the HoT blindfold on, he truly is the first Revenant.

Btw, I dont see anything exciting about this new class – Revenant.
The only things Im waiting for are Stronghold and Guild Halls.

Of COURSE you don’t see anything, you’re blindfolded.

Like a revenant ?
;p

Windsagio.1340:

no, really it’s not.

People are very good at self-justifying selfish motives, and this is a prime case.

“ITS NOT FAIR THAT NEW PLAYERS GET THE ORIGINAL GAME FOR FREE!”

“ITS NOT FAIR THAT I HAVE TO BUY A CHARACTER SLOT TO PLAY THE NEW CLASS!”

The attitude would embarass a toddler.

ONLY IF YOU ARE A NEW PLAYER
That’s the main problem;
– existing players doesn’t get a free game.
– existing players with no slot are forced to buy a new slot again.

This is like saying: “we are sorry you are not eligible for this gift as you have been supporting us until now”.
That’s a big slap is it ?

Windsagio.1340:

where people riot over someone else getting a gift or over not being given enough gifts themselves?

As existing player we got a gift? Where it is ? ….Oh right there is none.
Unless I’m really bad when it comes to gift “enough” & “none” isn’t the same thing at all.

DarksunG.9537:

I agree, the White Knights are complaining too much. Especially when they are happy with the price.

XD

Jongi.7612:

People who have been playing since launch shouldnt say anything, you got your monies worth from the original game, if you dont think HoT is going to be worth it, dont pay for it.

this is totally unrelated:

Because the newcomer wasn’t there at that time; it’s the newcomers fault if they didn’t experience it; not mine. I can empathize with them but not be kept responsible for their choice.
Whereas in this case; As a veteran I’m being shafted while I’m there & the newcomer get a bonus.
Double standard between veteran & newcomer; a pretty clear message that Anet doesn’t care about his veteran/existing player.

This is like saying: “we are sorry you are not eligible for this gift as you have been supporting us until now”.
That’s a big slap is it ?

Tregarde.6031:

papry.8096:

Tregarde.6031:

Let’s break it down, assuming typical numbers…

WoW, EQ2, etc:
$15 per month for a year = $180
$40 for an expansion
TOTAL – $220 a year (assuming 1 expansion per year)

GW2:
$60 for game at release
No monthly subscription
$50 for 1st expansion in 3 years
TOTAL = $110 over 3 years, or average $36.67 per year

So, over 3 years, the typical player would have spent $660 in WoW, EQ2 or any typical subscription game. But only $110 in GW2. Does not seem like a bad deal to me. The only criticism I have is that, with a new Profession coming out, I feel all editions should include the free character slot.

Cashshop…..cough cough…

Cash shop is completely optional. No one has to use it. There is nothing game-changing in the Gem Shop. Any money you, I, or anyone else used to buy gems was by choice, not a requirement.

Cashshop isn’t a requirement but it’s a source of revenue for Anet & some player spend a lot on Cashshop in real money.
You are just taking the lower end of the bracket when it’s come to player spending on GW2.

By the way the gems that you can buy in the gold/gems exchange system is gems purchased by others players with money.
So money in Anet pocket.

Tregarde.6031:

Let’s break it down, assuming typical numbers…

WoW, EQ2, etc:
$15 per month for a year = $180
$40 for an expansion
TOTAL – $220 a year (assuming 1 expansion per year)

GW2:
$60 for game at release
No monthly subscription
$50 for 1st expansion in 3 years
TOTAL = $110 over 3 years, or average $36.67 per year

Does not seem like a bad deal to me. The only criticism I have is that, with a new Profession coming out, I feel all editions should include the free character slot.

Cashshop…..cough cough…

Zaklex.6308:

you still need to take each zones biomes and lay them down on a flat surface side by side to compare the amount of land content to the core game(which has hardly any verticality in it).

Did you already see the 3 biomes per map in-game action ? Because I haven’t.

Xar.1387:

When HoT is coming, then older version of GW2 is no longer worth anything – maybe some symbolic amount of money, but nothing more.

Its fine that Anet dont force new people to pay for it, cause they’re not able to play this version of GW2 (as we played it) anymore. This is the past.

Oh yes this is why, there is a:
– underleveling system
– daily events in low level zone.
– daily world bosses to get down in all zone.

Yes this part of the game will be so dead in like……every other MMO.
Except that GW2 is his own MMO in that categorie.

Yes, we are pushed in ultimate.

evoRobot.4019:

I don’t think the complainers are unanimous. Some want gems, others want slots, some are mad about newbies. Others don’t like the price.

Boils down to the very same thing; the current offer is digusting.

evoRobot.4019:

…valid argument here is the price because of the limited amount of information about the X-pack.

On that we agree.

evoRobot.4019:

The core game for free to new players is a nice gesture.

Still agree.

evoRobot.4019:

It’s understandable if existing players cannot receive the core game unless they want to create a new account.
Otherwise they can add the X-Pack to their currently existing account.

No it’s not, you are supposed to get a free copy if you buy the bundle & “the otherwise” is flooded, the very goal of the bundle is to get the expansion

evoRobot.4019:

In terms of cost, after 3 years… video games depreciate fast… go to EB Games and see for yourself. So new players are not gaining alot, I would say the vets still have the advantage, they were able to play and progress throughout the game for 3 years!

this is totally unrelated:

Because the newcomer wasn’t there at that time; it’s the newcomers fault if they didn’t experience it; not mine. I can empathize with them but not be kept responsible for their choice.
Whereas in this case; As a veteran I’m being shafted while I’m there & the newcomer get a bonus.
Double standard between veteran & newcomer; a pretty clear message that Anet doesn’t care about his veteran/existing player.

Thrudrheim.8143:

AWACS.6537:

Kitiara.2706:

Quit your whining. The customer service, the constant new content we get, and now this amazing expansion…… We need to help them pay their developers. Get over yourselves.

they should be trying to convince us to buy the expansion, we shouldn’t be wanting to spend money just to help them. We are CONSUMERS. Get over yourself.

That’s true.

They are far to be in a bad spot :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Q4-and-2014-NCSOFT-results/first

Kitiara.2706:

ANet needs to make money so we can keep having great content. I dont want to wait forever for an expansion or new content, like the other games that only charge a little amount.

Quit your whining. The customer service, the constant new content we get, and now this amazing expansion…… We need to help them pay their developers. Get over yourselves.

I paid $99 for the xpac. The way I look at it is – at $10/mo that means I have pre-paid for some fun times the next 10 months (minimum). I look forward to this time, and I am glad to support a company that keeps bringing me great entertainment, great customer service, and a wonderful community.

Cashshop…….cough…cough.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Q4-and-2014-NCSOFT-results/first

ThreeHitDown.2169:

papry.8096:

ThreeHitDown.2169:

Why is everybody ignoring the fact that there are no monthlies?Yeah the xpac is kinda expensive but on the long run its actually cheaper than any expansion out there.Take for example WoW.You pay 40euros and then 15euros every month where in GW2 you are gonna pay 50 euros for the expac and you are done.I’m not tryna be a fanboy or somethin im just sayin that its cheaper than any other paid mmo on the long run of course.

Edit:Yea its a kitten move to the old players and those that recently bought it(not pre-purchase)but its still cheaper.

Everyone where scammed equally in the others game.
Whereas, there it’s veteran getting scammed and newcomer being rewarded.
Do you see the difference ?
I sure do & so a lot of veteran too.

Yes but werent we as veteran players getting free content for 3 years that newcomers are never gonna experience?

Well I can pretty much answer any counter argument with these 2 quote:
so autoquote until I heard some new counter argument.

Because they wasn’t there at that time; it’s the newcomers fault if they didn’t experience it;
Not mine, I owe new players nothing in that regard.
Whereas in this case; As a veteran I’m being shafted while I’m there & the newcomer get a bonus.
Double standard between veteran & newcomer.
This is unfair.

evoRobot.4019:

papry.8096:

evoRobot.4019:

I don’t get it.. Will there be a Toy Story 4? Or not

Well as they go; this will repeat with the new toy so newcomer today will become veteran this day.
Let’s see how this will go out for them at that moment.

Not sure what you said. But Toy Story 4 confirmed.

I’m sure you did.

briggah.7910:

So many posts saying us veterans didn’t get anything and new players are getting the core game for free really makes me think how many of you are actually veteran players.

Us veteran players have gotten to experience all the open world events since release with new patches every few weeks. These new players won’t get all that the same way we did even if they get a “bonus” free version with buying HoT.

They won’t hear while afk’ing at the bank in LA the asura and char that say “Your face is funny”, “No, your face is funny. It’s like a little raisin”

They didn’t experience the festival events and seasoned events like we did.

They won’t see LA getting destroyed and how we fought over it while scarlet attacked it.

They won’t get to fight marionette like we did cause that is all gone and done.

They probably won’t see SAB seeing as people still riot about it to this day.

They didn’t get to farm aetherblades in zones and have tons of champs spawning.

Those are just a few examples but so many other open world events that these new players will never experience even if they do get a “Bonus” free version of the core game.

Stop being greedy and thinking its all about new players when new players will have missed out on a ton of content that is no longer available. Veterans have the memories of all that has happened since launch of this game to this date while new players will never experience those events.

Because they wasn’t there at that time; it’s the newcomers fault if they didn’t experience it;
Not mine, I owe new players nothing in that regard.
Whereas in this case; As a veteran I’m being shafted while I’m there & the newcomer get a bonus.
Double standard between veteran & newcomer.
This is unfair.

Gundam Zephyr.6713:

Pandaman.4758:

Coarr.3286:

other mmorpg’s:

buy game 50 Euro/USD
pay monthly fee 12 Euro/USD
buy expansion 25 Euro/USD
total after 2 years: 363 Euro(USD

gw2:

buy game 50 Euro/USD
buy expansion 50 Euro/USD

Not applicable to anyone who purchased gems with cash 24 times or more in the past two years, mind you.

Oh right, that completely optional currency which can be acquired with in-game gold.

You realise that when you buy that currency in the game, you actually buy it from other players that put their gems to sell for others right ?
And these gems doesn’t always come from giveaway.

Coarr.3286:

other mmorpg’s:

buy game 50 Euro/USD
pay monthly fee 12 Euro/USD
buy expansion 25 Euro/USD
total after 2 years: 363 Euro(USD

gw2:

buy game 50 Euro/USD
buy expansion 50 Euro/USD

The difference is simple, very simple.

Everyone where scammed equally in the others game.
Whereas, there it’s veteran getting scammed and newcomer being rewarded.
Customer being treated differently based on if they already get the game or not.

ThreeHitDown.2169:

Why is everybody ignoring the fact that there are no monthlies?Yeah the xpac is kinda expensive but on the long run its actually cheaper than any expansion out there.Take for example WoW.You pay 40euros and then 15euros every month where in GW2 you are gonna pay 50 euros for the expac and you are done.I’m not tryna be a fanboy or somethin im just sayin that its cheaper than any other paid mmo on the long run of course.

Edit:Yea its a kitten move to the old players and those that recently bought it(not pre-purchase)but its still cheaper.

Everyone where scammed equally in the others game.
Whereas, there it’s veteran getting scammed and newcomer being rewarded.
Do you see the difference ?
I sure do & so a lot of veteran too.

evoRobot.4019:

I don’t get it.. Will there be a Toy Story 4? Or not

Well as they go this will repeat with the new toy so newcomer today will become veteran this day.
Let’s see how this will go out for them at that moment.

MirandaWL.8125:

So why not let all of us have faith in them instead of bragging and complaining about it without actually reading and thinking carefully about the outcome ? It’s very bold of those of you thinking that Anet would actually do this kind of thing to us after so many years of playing this game.

Start giving motivations ! Not criticisms!

There is nothing to think about; they have been very clear.
So now it’s our right to be vocal & displeased.

I must say that I admire your faith & control on the issue but I do think you need to wake up.

briggah.7910:

The toy2 you bought 3 years ago kept changing and you actually never paid for the toy2 to change. It did it on its own for free and actually became toy3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0. The new players are getting toy0 and missed out on toy2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 yet you’ve had plenty of new toys to play with over those 3 years. For Free.

I’m gonna quote myself:

Morfedel.4165:

Except that isn’t true. You got three years worth of living story, some of it which is still available, but only for a gem cost for those not already on here.

Would they be right to rage because they have to pay for something that veterans got for free?

Because they wasn’t there at that time; it’s the newcomers fault if they didn’t experience it; not mine.
Whereas in this case; As a veteran I’m being shafted while I’m there & the newcomer get a bonus.
Double standard between veteran & newcomer.
This is unfair.

locoman.1974:

Outrage about new players getting a better value: Up to each person to decide, personally I don’t have a problem about the core game being included, and actually I think it was a smart move by Anet. I would have probably gone back to WoW for pandaria if I didn’t have to buy the base game (I had the euro version, wanted to play on US servers) + previous expansions + current one. It cuts down the one big barrier when expansions are released, plus a new player won’t have the three years of gameplay I’ve gotten out of the base game. It’s the same opinions I had when they updated the rewards for the deluxe edition and people were complaining that the ones that bought it earlier didn’t get the new rewards. That said, it would have been a nice bonus (not required, but nice) to existing accounts, maybe by adding an extra character slot or enough gems to buy one (taking care of point 1 above as well).

I disagree in the bold part this is irrelevant to the discussion.
I’m gonna quote myself:

Morfedel.4165:

Except that isn’t true. You got three years worth of living story, some of it which is still available, but only for a gem cost for those not already on here.

Would they be right to rage because they have to pay for something that veterans got for free?

Because they wasn’t there at that time; it’s the newcomers fault if they didn’t experience it; not mine.
Whereas in this case; As a veteran I’m being shafted while I’m there & the newcomer get a bonus.
Double standard between veteran & newcomer.
This is unfair.

DiogoSilva.7089:

HoT Standard Edition with partial access to Revenant: $50
HoT Standard Edition with garanteed access to Revenant: $60

XD. For veteran Only.

Taiyoroku.1028:

Indeed, i totally agree

Everyone where scammed equally in the others game.
Whereas, there it’s veteran getting scammed and newcomer being rewarded.
Do you see the difference ?
I sure do.

Windsagio.1340:

papry.8096:

Windsagio.1340:

It’s just gamer entitlement with a nice thick gravy of greed poured over.

So it’s greed to be asking to be treated fairly like the new customer are ?
Then sure I’m the most greedy man ever.

Yes, because it’s not really ‘fairness’.

The entire ‘discussion’ boils down to “I want to pay less”. The rest if framing.

Gonna selfquote; much faster.

Morfedel.4165:

Except that isn’t true. You got three years worth of living story, some of it which is still available, but only for a gem cost for those not already on here.

Would they be right to rage because they have to pay for something that veterans got for free?

Because they wasn’t there at that time; it’s the newcomers fault if they didn’t experience it; not mine.
Whereas in this case; As a veteran I’m being shafted while I’m there & the newcomer get a bonus.
Double standard between veteran & newcomer.
Sure; this is very fair.

Getefix.9150:

personally, the price doesnt bother me, how can people get annoyed over costs when theyve had to pay absolutely no monthly fees? if this was WoW, we’d be around… 34 months since release? so we’d have to pay £340 for the same amount of content/playtime…. plus we have no idea how big this expansion will be, giving the content and changes etc, this may well be worth the money

I don’t care about WoW, I never will & I never get to that subcription game.
So can we stop with that “oh other MMO have been doing worst”; that I don’t care.

Taiyoroku.1028:

Totally Agree, lol

Everyone where scammed equally in the others game.
Whereas, there it’s veteran getting scammed and newcomer being rewarded.
Do you see the difference ?
I sure do.

Morfedel.4165:

Except that isn’t true. You got three years worth of living story, some of it which is still available, but only for a gem cost for those not already on here.

Would they be right to rage because they have to pay for something that veterans got for free?

Because they wasn’t there at that time; it’s the newcomers fault if they didn’t experience it; not mine.
Whereas in this case; As a veteran I’m being shafted while I’m there & the newcomer get a bonus.
Double standard between veteran & newcomer.
Sure; this is very fair.