Guild Wars 2

Sanderinoa.8065:

What exactly are you looking for in there? If I may ask? Depending on your answer I may be willing to help

Elaborate Totem farming. From what I can tell, the Grawl are the best drops for them. I’ve been trying to farm the Grawl in Frostgorge Sound, but I think that they may have been nerfed hard due to the large amount of bots that farmed that area. After about an hour of farming that area I recieved a total of 0 Elaborate Totems, and 5 Intricate Totems. I’ve read that the Grawl in the Volcanic Fractal can easily be farmed, and have a higher drop rate for Heavy Trinket bags, and do drop Totem regularily.

I just threw out a random time limit on it…I think thats wheres its coming from.

I have to agree that conditions do need a rework before adding in another. However, in the case of WvW and PvP, I was of the impression that Disease would be a PvE boss/Dungeon boss mechanic. I just can’t see it working well without The Black Death spreading across the land. There were at least 3 conditions already added since launch, and no one was ever crying OP about them. Granted they were limited to fractals(Agony, chill/blizzard, the hammer) I think giving this kind of power to players would be disasterous at best. But I do like the idea of it in general.

They made those things account bound as too many people were upset that they were soulbound. It makes sense really to have those things to be accessible by every toon on your account. What if you saw a mini, or skin or whatever, you liked but were on a different character? Youd have to log out, switch characters, log in, and buy it. It was kinda lame the other way. This way is fine and was done at the behest of the players at large. I dont think theyll change it back.

Also check with the manufacture of your video card. I know you can change the color spectrum in the nvidia control. This might help as there really isnt an alternative that I know of.

Yeah I figured that was the case. I guess I should brush up on my solo skills, or find a party willing to farm the grawl with me. :P

Thanks!

honvas.8792:

TY for all of u for answers. Probably i go for ranger.

Im not sure if another class is interest for me .

I have another Q about hearts im lvl 5 but i have complete some hearts and when i go for another is for lvl 8 or lvl 7 but im lvl 5 how i can complete this hearts for my current lvl ?

Coz i feel like noob when i dont know after years playing mmo.

You shouldn’t have too much trouble doing them. The mobs may be a little tougher, but not impossible. If you are still having trouble, do some exploring, do some events, you personal story, and kill things until you are leveled up a bit. Also if you are having a hard time doing the heart quests, try changing your weapons, the various weapons offer different skills, so a different weapon set might make a world of difference.

Also bear in mind that this is unlike any other MMO. If you are used to playing hunter/ranger types in WoW or others, you’ll find it is VERY different and in no way similar. As far as builds go you won’t have to worry about that until MUCH later. You won’t start getting any traits until level 30, and even then it will be very few, certainly not enough to even start making a build until lvl 80. But don’t worry it doesn’t take that long to get there. Just gear up with whatever you can find that is better than what you have. Otherwise just have fun exploring, learning your profession, finding what weapons sets work the best, etc.

Is it possible to access the grawl fractal from the start? I know that the starting fractals are “randomized” but after about 30 min of starting fractals trying to get the grawl fractal to start (for the purpose of Elaborate Totem farming) I gave up. I got the uncatagorized fractal, the swamp, and Ascalon a bunch of times. Just wondering if this one only starts on the second or third fractal or not.

*…you look at your baby and think “awww its a cute little Asura!”
*…you spend time on the forums making and responding to threads like this.
*…you look at the people at work and visualize them as a mesmer/elementalist/warrior etc.
*…you actually think that people outside the game care about your legendary weapon.

Harny.6012:

AESOkami.1072:

I’m currently at level 12 but I wish there was a way to at least get to level 40(or 80).

If anyone knows, please help me out.
(Also sorry for taking up your time)

Please don’t rush. Learn how to play the game and your class. Otherwise you might be pain to be around.

Pretty much this. Also there isnt a lot of your traditional “end game” unless you want to rush through everything then come here to complain about there not being enough stuff to do at level 80. Take you time, enjoy the game and have fun.

Azhure.1857:

pdavis.8031:

I agree, I just threw out an arbitrary time. But even if it was such a limit, it doesn’t have to be DoT.Maybe like the way the cold works in the blizzard fractal. You get stacks of cold on you and it slows you down, reduces damage etc. BUT too many stacks and you die type of thing.

Hmmm…

I don’t like the idea of a diseased variant of chill, especially when I want people to scatter with this one. Chill would hamper the ability for zergs to spread out. However the “reduce damage” effect could be worthwhile, if disease weren’t DoT. Or a combo of the two?

Again whether people agree with the need to address passive zerg gameplay or not, I find the idea of forcing people to play actively and in the moment to be an ideal worth striving towards. Even if it isn’t met by my suggestion – I’d like to eventually see improvement in current combat/game mechanics to a point where people can’t be rewarded for mindlessly zerging while doing other things (console gaming, making dinner, watching tv, etc etc).

Again, the chill effect was an example. So maybe instead of chill, it decreases vitality and power, the more stacks the more vitality and power lost. Say at 10 stacks it has a chance to cause daze when using movment skills (to reflect being weakend by the disease.) And then at 25 stacks you die. If killed by disease, players rezzing you have a say 30% chance of catching the disease for say 5 min after death. Also instead of proximity to a diseased person it causes spreading, every time a diseased person uses a group boon skill, or group buffing skill (I.e. warrior shouts, necros well of power, etc.) It causes those effected by the boon/buff to contract the disease.

phys.7689:

pdavis.8031:

But supply of every item on the TP is already controlled by the players. Every T1-6 mat, every precurser, legendary, exotic weapon, skin, recipe, food, etc.

While they may not be suseptable to flipping, like dusk, they will still be highly priced items, that your avarage PvE player wouldn’t be able to afford for a long time. And so you would still have the perceived problem that those who complete said tasks are “richer” than a dungeon runner, or open PvEer because they are able to sell the item at a high price. (Of course that price will reflect their time and effort put into such a task, plus a percentage for profit).

I’m not opposed to having such a thing in general. I’m actually for such a thing. It’s similar to the precurser scavanger idea thats been tossed about. But I don’t really see it as a solution to anything. It might make those who go after such things “feel” better about the rewards, but still the initial issue or TP players having too much money still remains.

Lore driven track? HECK YES!! I would love that, even if for a stupid skin and maybe a bit of gold at the end. But having extended missions like that would be rad. OOOOO make them Order Specific!!!!

no the supply of t6 is not controlled by the players, other than in the same way that humans control the amount of oxygen they breathe.

t6 item supply is a function of how many hours every player plays in a level 76ish zone + the amount from people who transform t5 items.

you cannot choose to stop producing t6 mats while playing a certain level of content. The majority of t6 mats are created by accident. There are a few enemies with specific drops, but the majority of the supply doesnt come from them.

We cant control how much silk comes in or how much leather. we create by essentially just living as a level 70+ charachter in the world, its almost like our feces. A substantial amount of the exotic weapons are a byproduct of precursor gambling (the feces of precursor gambles) most of the runes? byproduct of trying to get strength rune/divinity runes back in the day from the forge

In real life, most products are sought after, you dont make refined oil by mistake, you dont get steel by mistake, you dont build buildings by mistake. If no one wants steel? steel production slows down.

players will have means of getting rich through specific content, so while the tp players may be well payed, they wont be the only path to riches. A big reason there is so much ineffeciency for flippers to take advantage of, is because most of the supply comes from random players with other goals, and a bunch of crap to get rid of.

Umm but EVERY T6 mat that is for sale on the TP has been placed there by the players. In fact every single item on the TP is placed there by the players. Regardless HOW these items are obtained (i.e T5 promotion, drops, crafting, etc) the supply is on the TP because the players chose to sell. If, lets say half of farmers, and half the people selling these items were to stop, what would happen to the supply? As people still continue to buy it the prices will dramatically increase, and will eventually die out.

So while I agree that we cannot control how much of an item is created, or the rate at which an item is created, we CAN control the supply of said item on the TP. Same with exotics. While a majority of them may be provided by the mystic forge, what would happen in all the players decided not to sell the non precurser weapons obtained by the forge and salvage them instead? If there were no supply of anything to the TP (i.e. selling in the TP) then TP flippers wouldn’t have anything to flip and be out of a job and be homeless bums clogging up the streets of Divinities Reach with signs begging for a copper.

Azhure.1857:

pdavis.8031:

Well from what I understand, the disease wouldn’t be a long lasting condition. (say, 3 minutes max) But if you diseased, you’d still be considered in combat, and not able to WP. Sure you can run from zone to zone, but having it remove upon leaving instance/zone would be a way to keep it contained. Of course you would be able to infect others in that zone, but it wouldn’t cause many problems because even those RPers/random people just hanging out can just wait until they die, cure it, and respawn.

Teq waiting areas? Just don’t have anything that adds disease in that zone. Problem solved.

3 minutes is an eternity for conditions in GW2. If someone didn’t cleanse themselves for a full 3 minutes, I’d say they deserve to die and never get up. No matter what profession they are. The only way I would see this condition lasting this long is if it had infected a stacked zerg and was reapplying itself continuously. Even then I don’t know how a zerg would be upright for that long without taking measures to get rid of the condition.

I agree, I just threw out an arbitrary time. But even if it was such a limit, it doesn’t have to be DoT.Maybe like the way the cold works in the blizzard fractal. You get stacks of cold on you and it slows you down, reduces damage etc. BUT too many stacks and you die type of thing.

Seera.5916:

pdavis.8031:

Donari.5237:

Question: Not that I’m a fan of the idea at all, or sure what the point of it is besides zerg busting, but would you consider making it something that cannot spread in cities? Or griefers could go wreck up on people crafting, banking, TP’ing, or RP’ing.

RP happens not only in cities, however. So how do you protect people who are grouped up to socialize and don’t really need a plague zombie running up to make them scatter out of their scene?

Or those gathering to fight a world boss? There’s limited safe spots near the Tequatl fight thanks to the fish heads.

Well from what I understand, the disease wouldn’t be a long lasting condition. (say, 3 minutes max) But if you diseased, you’d still be considered in combat, and not able to WP. Sure you can run from zone to zone, but having it remove upon leaving instance/zone would be a way to keep it contained. Of course you would be able to infect others in that zone, but it wouldn’t cause many problems because even those RPers/random people just hanging out can just wait until they die, cure it, and respawn.

Teq waiting areas? Just don’t have anything that adds disease in that zone. Problem solved.

What about people running from other zones though? Teq would still be affected by that.

As soon as one person reaches a group waiting for a world boss with disease, it will likely become next to impossible to fully clear it out before the event starts up.

And what would happen if a living world boss popped up in a disease present zone?

As I said in my post, it is removed upon leaving the zone, thus keeping it contained in that zone. There is no way for it to leave. You jump to WvW, or PvP? Guess what? disease cleansed. So that wouldn’t even be an issue.

Donari.5237:

Question: Not that I’m a fan of the idea at all, or sure what the point of it is besides zerg busting, but would you consider making it something that cannot spread in cities? Or griefers could go wreck up on people crafting, banking, TP’ing, or RP’ing.

RP happens not only in cities, however. So how do you protect people who are grouped up to socialize and don’t really need a plague zombie running up to make them scatter out of their scene?

Or those gathering to fight a world boss? There’s limited safe spots near the Tequatl fight thanks to the fish heads.

Well from what I understand, the disease wouldn’t be a long lasting condition. (say, 3 minutes max) But if you diseased, you’d still be considered in combat, and not able to WP. Sure you can run from zone to zone, but having it remove upon leaving instance/zone would be a way to keep it contained. Of course you would be able to infect others in that zone, but it wouldn’t cause many problems because even those RPers/random people just hanging out can just wait until they die, cure it, and respawn.

Teq waiting areas? Just don’t have anything that adds disease in that zone. Problem solved.

But supply of every item on the TP is already controlled by the players. Every T1-6 mat, every precurser, legendary, exotic weapon, skin, recipe, food, etc.

While they may not be suseptable to flipping, like dusk, they will still be highly priced items, that your avarage PvE player wouldn’t be able to afford for a long time. And so you would still have the perceived problem that those who complete said tasks are “richer” than a dungeon runner, or open PvEer because they are able to sell the item at a high price. (Of course that price will reflect their time and effort put into such a task, plus a percentage for profit).

I’m not opposed to having such a thing in general. I’m actually for such a thing. It’s similar to the precurser scavanger idea thats been tossed about. But I don’t really see it as a solution to anything. It might make those who go after such things “feel” better about the rewards, but still the initial issue or TP players having too much money still remains.

Lore driven track? HECK YES!! I would love that, even if for a stupid skin and maybe a bit of gold at the end. But having extended missions like that would be rad. OOOOO make them Order Specific!!!!

*…You cut yourself (accidently) and shout “Shake it off!” to stop the bleeding.
*…You wish you had a speed boost when taking a walk.
*…You compare paying bills to using the Mystic Forge.
*…You look at cliffs, tall buildings, etc and search for a Vista point.
*…You calculate how much karma you’ve earned when helping your wife bring in the groceries.
*…You think of Magic Find when you find a Quarter on the ground.

phys.7689:

in your opinion this is the case
thats why i suggest that every major mode have some unique rewards that you can specifically target, to the exclusion of other rewards, that you can also trade

this would allow you to get dungeon hardcore dungeon shinies, at a price set by the players that do dungeons, and they could get your dedicated open world shinies at a price set by you open world cats.

right now, instead of trading value /services/skills, people can only trade gold earning potential.

Wait, having specific “mode only” rewards as a way to increase the “value” of doing PvE/WvW/PvP to be more in line with TP flipping? (just trying to get what you are saying). but would such tangible rewards (anything other than AP. i.e. skins, loot, gold, etc.) be considered a grind? There are already a number of players who think this game is too grindy as it is. Adding in only a WvW reward, for example, that can only be obtained through that paticular game mode would mean that it exludes those who don’t or rarely play WvW. Sure they can buy it off the TP, but it would be another precureser level item, as it would be highly sought after by those who don’t want to “grind” WvW, or even want to play WvW? Even so this doesn’t really solve anything, as it just becomes another item to flip on the TP.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

pdavis.8031:

Also I just realize this is the economic version of the PHIW vs. Meta build argument…inthe end play how you want, but just leave others to do the same and all will be well.

Well, if it’s that way then the meta has to be balanced. You don’t want the hambow cheese as meta, do you?

Its not about the effectiveness of the meta, its about forcing the meta on those who like to do things differently…much like this discussion. Your stance would be the meta viewpoint, and flippers the PHIW group. In the end the PHIW groups usually win out as long as the meta group doesnt interfere and visa versa..

phys.7689:

pdavis.8031:

phys.7689:

pdavis.8031:

phys.7689:

problem for HHR he feels the value of the merchant lifestyle outstrips the value of the adventurer lifestyle.

So first you have to ask yourself
is this true?
then you have to ask
should it be this way?
then you have to ask
If it shouldnt be this way, how can i change
if it should be this way, then dunno what to tell him.

i wont get into my opinion on the matter, though people can probably guess from my other posts

Is this true? No. Playing the TP is a valid way to play the game.
Should it be this way? Yes. The mechanics allow for it to be done. The API for the TP was released for this very purpose. Even in RL making smart investments, buying and selling stcok etc. is the BEST way to get “rich quick”.

Just because one person has a different perspective on an issue doesnt mean that that is the truth. It just means that that persons perceptive is flawed to what is widely accepted as truth. There is only one version of truth. Period. The world is round, but our perspective is that its flat. That doesn’t change the fact that the world is indeed round.

you misread the first question its not is the tp a valid way to play the game.

Its does playing the tp offer more value returned than playing other facets.

as for number 2, your reasoning for should it be this way, is that it is this way, therefor it should be this way. this is called circular reasoning.

now, im just pointing out flawed reasoning, and a misunderstanding of the question, not saying your answers should be my own, or his own.

as far as the “truth”
the truth is there are many truths, the key is to understand exactly what your a dealing with and isolate it properly from outside factors.

is the earth relatively flat compared to a humans size? yes
is the earth round relatively compared to the vast space? yes

interestingly enough, the main problem comes here when people try to apply different concepts/perspectives to the other perspectives.

Its essentially practically wrong, to say a road is round if its stays at sea level. however it is practically wrong to say a road is flat when viewed from a planetary scale.

Ill concede I misunderstood the first question. Does the merchant way outstrip the adventurer way? In terms of making gold, yes. In terms of value? That depends on what the individual thinks is valuable. Is it gold and having lots of it? Or is it running around with friends killing things and exploring? Thats a question that has an aswer as varied as the many people who play. However disparaging what another defines as value is not ok. OP doesnt like it so it must be shut down.

2. Not circular at all. The TP was launched, created, with flippers in mind. Again it should be this way, because thats how it was set up to be. Changing what it was supposed to do, provide a way for people to avoid farming, for a gold sink, and for people who enjoy flipping the TP a way to do that without harming the economy, would put out thousands of players, cause the economy to start doing horrible things, and general chaos would rule over Tryia.

Truth: I am a very black and white type of a person. Its difficult for me to even fathom grey areas. So I am coming from a position of there is really only one truth, and all else is false. This is a “failing” of mine (if you would like to call it that). Its just the way I am.

Prespective: I can see your point, but its still just a matter of perspective :P

not to get into a side thing, and i get the black and white perception, but its actually shocking how much science has found, things are sometimes objectively subjective. or in a more accurate term, relative.

I’ll say this and no more about that. Yes, it is amazing and I can get relatively, but I live in a world of absolutes, and sometimes more complex relativity baffles me. I guess that’s why I’m so drawn to fantasy…anyway back to the frey.

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

No. The purpose of his post is that he doesn’t think flipping is a legitimate way to acquire gold. The second part about the disparity between those that flip and those that do other activities in the came was just an opinion of his to support his argument.

See the bolded below:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

First off, I don’t see traidingpost flipping as legitimate way to acquire gold, especially not if it’s the most rewarding way to get gold.
One could say that traidingpost flipping requires some sort of skill but I think those guys are ruining enough in real life, they don’t have to be the richest people in-game too.
Those players literally don’t have to play the game at all to get almost everything, while players who are actually playing the game can’t compete with that volume of income.

Suggestion:
Add a new binding mechanic, in addition to account bound or soulbound, that prevent the reselling of items bought from the trading post and the reselling of items gathered/crafted/forged out of items which were bought from the tradingpost.

the goal of discussion is to find the truth, and come to understandings, Sure when someone steps into a forum they may mostly be filled with anger, and have some unreasonable views, the key is to find the real problem. then see if its one that can/should be solved.

like someone may start out talking to a engineer like, tall buildings are the bane of humanity.
through discussion and analysis, you may realize that his real issue, and ones other people keep bringing up without realizing it is,
tall buildings block the sun.
now as an engineer, i can say hmmm. i cant give up tall buildings, but perhaps i can come up with a technique so they do not block the sun, or one where they may block it but give the same feeling.

See if the goal is a debate to prove the ops initial post incorrect or correct, thats a different beast, but if the goal is to understand what the ops problems/misconceptions/issues are, and solve or elucidate them, then you discuss things, and adapt to the discussion.

Precisely. Thats why ive stayed in as long as I have :P

Also I just realize this is the economic version of the PHIW vs. Meta build argument…inthe end play how you want, but just leave others to do the same and all will be well.

phys.7689:

pdavis.8031:

phys.7689:

problem for HHR he feels the value of the merchant lifestyle outstrips the value of the adventurer lifestyle.

So first you have to ask yourself
is this true?
then you have to ask
should it be this way?
then you have to ask
If it shouldnt be this way, how can i change
if it should be this way, then dunno what to tell him.

i wont get into my opinion on the matter, though people can probably guess from my other posts

Is this true? No. Playing the TP is a valid way to play the game.
Should it be this way? Yes. The mechanics allow for it to be done. The API for the TP was released for this very purpose. Even in RL making smart investments, buying and selling stcok etc. is the BEST way to get “rich quick”.

Just because one person has a different perspective on an issue doesnt mean that that is the truth. It just means that that persons perceptive is flawed to what is widely accepted as truth. There is only one version of truth. Period. The world is round, but our perspective is that its flat. That doesn’t change the fact that the world is indeed round.

you misread the first question its not is the tp a valid way to play the game.

Its does playing the tp offer more value returned than playing other facets.

as for number 2, your reasoning for should it be this way, is that it is this way, therefor it should be this way. this is called circular reasoning.

now, im just pointing out flawed reasoning, and a misunderstanding of the question, not saying your answers should be my own, or his own.

as far as the “truth”
the truth is there are many truths, the key is to understand exactly what your a dealing with and isolate it properly from outside factors.

is the earth relatively flat compared to a humans size? yes
is the earth round relatively compared to the vast space? yes

interestingly enough, the main problem comes here when people try to apply different concepts/perspectives to the other perspectives.

Its essentially practically wrong, to say a road is round if its stays at sea level. however it is practically wrong to say a road is flat when viewed from a planetary scale.

Ill concede I misunderstood the first question. Does the merchant way outstrip the adventurer way? In terms of making gold, yes. In terms of value? That depends on what the individual thinks is valuable. Is it gold and having lots of it? Or is it running around with friends killing things and exploring? Thats a question that has an aswer as varied as the many people who play. However disparaging what another defines as value is not ok. OP doesnt like it so it must be shut down.

2. Not circular at all. The TP was launched, created, with flippers in mind. Again it should be this way, because thats how it was set up to be. Changing what it was supposed to do, provide a way for people to avoid farming, for a gold sink, and for people who enjoy flipping the TP a way to do that without harming the economy, would put out thousands of players, cause the economy to start doing horrible things, and general chaos would rule over Tryia.

Truth: I am a very black and white type of a person. Its difficult for me to even fathom grey areas. So I am coming from a position of there is really only one truth, and all else is false. This is a “failing” of mine (if you would like to call it that). Its just the way I am.

Prespective: I can see your point, but its still just a matter of perspective :P

HHR LostProphet.4801:

pdavis.8031:

phys.7689:

problem for HHR he feels the value of the merchant lifestyle outstrips the value of the adventurer lifestyle.

So first you have to ask yourself
is this true?
then you have to ask
should it be this way?
then you have to ask
If it shouldnt be this way, how can i change
if it should be this way, then dunno what to tell him.

i wont get into my opinion on the matter, though people can probably guess from my other posts

Is this true? No. Playing the TP is a valid way to play the game.
Should it be this way? Yes. The mechanics allow for it to be done. The API for the TP was released for this very purpose. Even in RL making smart investments, buying and selling stcok etc. is the BEST way to get “rich quick”.

Just because one person has a different perspective on an issue doesnt mean that that is the truth. It just means that that persons perceptive is flawed to what is widely accepted as truth. There is only one version of truth. Period. The world is round, but our perspective is that its flat. That doesn’t change the fact that the world is indeed round.

So how does an adventurer playstyle out-value merchant playstyle as phys put it?
And just because it can be done in the real word doesn’t mean it should be done in game. Neither is the “mainstream” opinion always the right one. And by the way, if you’re 2m above sea level, you can see 5,05 km wide until the earth’s curvature blocks your vision. So the world isn’t as flat as you may think it is.
And just because the “mechanics allow that” doesn’t mean its untouchable or unquestionable. ANet has stopped the champtrain because too many people had made too much gold with it. The traidingpost flipping is the same, just with less people who make more gold.

Just for clarity the champ trains werent stopped because of too much income. The trains were stopped because of the myriad of complaints, the toxic environment caused by someone accidentally killing a champ out of order, and the excessive amount of bots.

Also about the curvature, in order to see that you need to change your perspective (I.e. being in an open area or up high enough)

Also it would seem you missed the post about JS talking about this very thing.

Ayrilana.1396:

The last half is a bit out of context since I pulled this from an 11 month old thread.

John Smith.4610:

This is a great thread.

A few minor thoughts:
The TP is part of the world of Tyria and spending your time interacting with it is just as legitimate a play session as dungeons or jumping puzzles or any of our other fantastic content.

That being said, I see no evidence academically, theoretically or in practice that flipping items on the TP doesn’t push prices closer to equilibrium, eliminate dead weight loss and increase utility/surplus for the market on both the consumer and producer side.

I currently have no plans to limit players interaction with the TP in the world of Tyria in anyway. I believe it would be damaging to the economy, to the game experience and to the players overall.

That being said, if you have a dissenting opinion please discuss it here and voice your beliefs and concerns, we’re always watching and reading and learning and your input has been both intelligent and extremely valuable in the past.

edit: Edited because Juno makes a valid point.

I think you just won the internet….

“Wow, I really wished all people would put so much effort in thinking about something first before posting. That’s not to say that I am succefully doing so every time.”

Just how are these “thoughtless” posts. You stated the reason you want to stop TP flipping is because you dont like other people having more money than you by playing a different way.. The only logical conclusion is out of a sense of jealousy. Unless your dislike of people having more than you by flipping is born by something else, the only logical conclusion is that you are jealous. If it is because of another reason, please fill us in so the discussion can continue.

phys.7689:

problem for HHR he feels the value of the merchant lifestyle outstrips the value of the adventurer lifestyle.

So first you have to ask yourself
is this true?
then you have to ask
should it be this way?
then you have to ask
If it shouldnt be this way, how can i change
if it should be this way, then dunno what to tell him.

i wont get into my opinion on the matter, though people can probably guess from my other posts

Is this true? No. Playing the TP is a valid way to play the game.
Should it be this way? Yes. The mechanics allow for it to be done. The API for the TP was released for this very purpose. Even in RL making smart investments, buying and selling stcok etc. is the BEST way to get “rich quick”.

Just because one person has a different perspective on an issue doesnt mean that that is the truth. It just means that that persons perceptive is flawed to what is widely accepted as truth. There is only one version of truth. Period. The world is round, but our perspective is that its flat. That doesn’t change the fact that the world is indeed round.

Oh of course not, but thats the first thing that comes to mind when I think of a transferable disease. However it was a bug, but im sure it could be done in such a way that something of that scale wouldn’t happen.

Warrior. Period. You’re welcome

If anyone deserves to be rich in this game it’s me. Why? Because I’m awesome and amazing! and you should all just give me all your gold now. KTHNXBYE!!!

tolunart.2095:

Obtena.7952:

Threads like this make me even wonder if high school exists … It’s the only reasonable conclusion I can come to when a group of people with no background believe that someone with a post graduate education who works in their specific field with detailed information is wrong because that group of people ‘feel’ something is bad.

See Global Warming Debate.

“Here’s a bunch of scientific data collected over decades that show the average temperature of the world is rising.”

“Nuh-uh!”

“Also check out the numbers that have been altered to reflect that the temperature of the world is rising”

“Conspiracy nut!”

“Sheep!”

:P

(just to finish out your conversation and generally how it goes, not as a commentary on anything)

I would say 1 personally. For what is an RPG (MMO or otherwise) without a story. I’ve liked what we’ve got so far, season 1, and season 2 is starting to look awesome! Keep it up, I like having little chunks of updates as the story progesses rather than getting everything in a big chunk.

FIrst, this should be in players helping players, and will probably be moved there soon. Also The current “power builds” (aka DPS or highest damage) are power, precision, and ferocity (critical damage). The gear set that favors these is Beserker and is highly favored among everybodytrying to maximize possible damage output.

TP investing is OP and should be stopped…at least according to here….https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Traidingpost-Flipping-should-be-stopped/page/7#post4168609

If they are such an issue, you know you can turn them off in the settings right?

Downloading OP plz nerf kthnxbye

Nerelith.7360:

Azhure.1857:

pdavis.8031:

It would be the Corrupted Blood Plague like in WoW all over again. Players and NPCs lying dead everywhere…

Never played WoW and never will. Therefor I don’t know what the “Corrupted Blood Plague” is. Just want to comment that WoW is not the birth of every idea in gaming from its own creation to the end of time.

I think
the reason he mentioned a WoW game skill is, while many players may have played other MMO’s either before or since WoW’s release, odds are pretty high that MOST of the playerbase has played WoW.

So he picked a game mechanic that chances are most players would be familiar with.

Pretty much

Also the corrupted blood plague was a bug from a raid endboss, that cast “corrupted blood” . Bassicaly it did massive ammounts of condi damage that couldn’t be cleansed, but when you died, it didn’t go away (part of the bug) Also part of the mechanic for “corrupted blood” was that it would be passed on to nearby players. However because of the bug it also passed on to NPCs as well as players. So players revived in town with the plague still active, infecting ALL those around them, player and NPC aslike. So in a matter of hours, whole towns were filled with dead players and NPCs, but then people who had the plague traveled to other towns, and infected even more. There were only a small group of players left in the word uneffected by this plague and they set up quarentine areas just to stay alive. In the end Blizzard had to do entire server resests in order to fix what was going on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I honestly can’t believe this thread is still going.

Didn’t any of you take economics in high school? I mean, even just basics?

Flipping doesn’t need to be stopped. Nor do I see those people as doing anything wrong. If that’s how they enjoy playing, more power to ‘em. They’re smarter than me lol.

Yeah, I keep following it because of A) I don’t like people who QQ over stupid things, and 2) I’m bored at work :P

phys.7689:

pdavis.8031:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

The problem I have with traiding post flippers is a simple one. I simply don’t like others to be richer than me, even when I actually play the game and they’re just sitting be the merchant, selling and buying stuff.

So thats the reason. You ARE jealous. Period. There really no other way to put it. At the very core of your argument is nothing more then simple jealousy.

Anything you say at this point isn’t really going to make ANY of your arguments have any merit.

Thank you for playing! Please come again!

jealousy as a motive force doesnt invalidate criticism.

A orphan kid being jealous of kids with parents doesnt invalidate his need/desire for parents.
A 60 hour working class man being jealous of the people who can afford to send their kids to ivy league schools does not change the fact even though his kid may be smart enough to go to that school, he cant afford it, and thus his kids options are limited.
A Woman being jealous of her husbands mistress doesnt change the reality that he is cheating on her and spending his time with another woman.

“lol you jelly”
“lol you mad”

is just a means of dismissing something and trivializing a persons understanding/opinion. Just because some one has an emotional response, or motivation, doesnt mean that whatever they say is automaticly invalid.

Basing an argument that a system that is in good working order is flawed because it’s viewed through the lens of jealousy does pretty make invalidate any arguments. It doesn’t however invaldiate thier feelings on the matter. Also the examples you give are diffrent kinds of jealousy. The orphan kid is jealous based on an emotional need, and a physical need, one that is very valid and actually has merit. He is missing something vital to life. The wife with the husband with a mistress, is also an emotional and physical need and also has merit. The man who works hard to provide for his kids is a very different form of jealousy. The man wants the best for his kids, so he works hard for it. He feels jealous of those who have the money, but is also DOING something about it. While is is primarily an emotional jealousy, there is an emotional need that needs to be filled, and there isn’t a physical need attached. I would say is of “less importance” (for the sake of argument) to the kids NEED and the wifes NEED to be loved by her husband.

The OP is simply jealous of the fact that other people have more money IN A GAME for doing things he either doesn’t understand, or doesn’t want to do. This is “petty” jealousy. There is no physical NEED, or an EMOTIONAL need that needs to be filled. I’m not trying to trivialize his emotional response to a virtual perception of an issue. It’s clear he’s upset about it and thats fine, he can be upset. NO one, not even myself is trying to dismiss that. I didn’t bring up the jealousy as a way to disparage the OP (if it came across that way I apologize) but rather to bring the heart of the matter to the light. For harboring such a jealousy WILL and DOES cloud every argument on the subject. The OP will be unable and unwilling (as he’s already shown) to accept anything anyone has to say. Everything related to the subject is filtered by that jealousy, and will be translated into an argument that only reinforces the position that the game is unablanced and unfair.

So in short, its not about the game being unfair, or fair, it’s more about an emotional issue than it is about anything within the game.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

pdavis.8031:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

The problem I have with traiding post flippers is a simple one. I simply don’t like others to be richer than me, even when I actually play the game and they’re just sitting be the merchant, selling and buying stuff.

So thats the reason. You ARE jealous. Period. There really no other way to put it. At the very core of your argument is nothing more then simple jealousy.

Anything you say at this point isn’t really going to make ANY of your arguments have any merit.

Thank you for playing! Please come again!

Thank you for (not) reading! Please don’t come again!

I’ve been following this thread from the VERY beginning. I’ve read it all.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

The problem I have with traiding post flippers is a simple one. I simply don’t like others to be richer than me, even when I actually play the game and they’re just sitting be the merchant, selling and buying stuff.

So thats the reason. You ARE jealous. Period. There really no other way to put it. At the very core of your argument is nothing more then simple jealousy.

Anything you say at this point isn’t really going to make ANY of your arguments have any merit.

Thank you for playing! Please come again!

I actually had a similar thing happen last night. Was going through my wardrobe (I hardly ever look at the thing) and noticed I had The Hunter skin. Now I was close to a break down becuase I thought I had either salvaged a PRECURSER or dropped it in the mystic forge, becuase I certainly didn’t equip itand then switch back to an inferior rifle. But as it turns out it has the same skin as a PvP weapon that I must have upgraded back in the days of PvP crafting.

“Want a “difficult” video game, go play battletoads, but personally I don’t find that kind of difficult entertaining.”

YES!!! +10,00 times YES!. That and Iron Sword and Contra (without the code).
INFINITLY harder than ANY game they could possibly produce today.

@Op

I know this is primarily about the jumping puzzle feel in Dry Top, but you did mention that the mobs drop nothing.

I disagree. The mobs drop all sorts of stuff. Actually found a couple of Charged Lodestones, a bunch of T6 mats, Several rare items from the chests, etc. If you want drops, farm silky dust, get geods, trade them for lockpicks, and open chests. Fantastic rewards. If you were expecting a precurser every 3rd drop, well you will be sorely disappointed.

As far as the jumping? Thought it was pretty cool, but can see how it might get old after awhile, but even in that zone it’s not really required.

The only time I use GS is when I’m camping it for Phalanx Strength. Otherwise I prefer Axe/Axe.

Yeah haters gonna hate…but whatever

@HHR

So we come to the REAL source of the issue. But first let me ask you a few questions. And please, simple, direct, and honest answers.

How are flippers ruining anyones gaming experience? Why do you feel they are ruining yours?

Why should those with more money (i.e. flippers) be punished if they don’t effect your game play? If you feel they do effect your gameplay, why is having more money than you a bad thing?

If everybody in the game is already has even footing in the game (ANYONE can be a TP flipper and be wealthy, some just choose not to) why should that be changed?

John Smith and almost everyone else, has already stated that flippers do not control the prices, and flippers certainly do not control the supply, and that flipping actually causes the prices to remain stable. So unless you are qualified, as John Smith is, to declare otherwise, anything you say in regards to price gouging and controlling supply is moot. Further more, as interesting as this thread has been, it really boils down to a sense of entitlement, that you, and players like you, should be have the same amount of gold as the high end flippers. IRL or in game, there is NO justification to punish those who make money purely playing the TP. Period. By the same rational that you are showing about the TP, one could reasonably assume that you would also feel the same about stock brokers, bankers, and wall street “tycoons”. Either way it’s clearly a socialist view point, and history has shown us how that works out.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I think you may be confusing unlocking (the ability to strive to complete) the achievements with unlocking (the ability to play) the Journal’s story instances.

And, yes, you have the ability to play the Journal story instances with all your Level 80 alts, and then subsequently unlock the achievements for the alts to strive to complete.

yeah thinking back I think thats what it is. so “unlocking” the episode differs from “making the episode available for replayability” I guess it’s the terminolgoy that threw me off, both us the term “unlock” but apparently mean different things.

I did get the shiney green star upon logging in, and was able to go play the episode, but the episode indicator in the journal had the pad lock icon over it. After I had completed the episode it became unlocked, at I am now able to go back and replay it and do the achievements.

^
Right?

@OP

First thing you are forgetting is that GW1 IS NOT AN MMORPG. GW1 was an online rpg. BIG difference between the 2. In my mind its far easier to develop something for a small group of players online (or for one player solo with minions) than to make content that has to be able to handle hundreds if not thousands of people at the same time. Also Anet, with the prodding of NCSoft im sure, has opted to go the direction of the living story in an episodic manner. And its a great idea. It keeps the happy players playing longer. So we do a episode every couple of weeks, we want to see whats going to happen next, so we keep logging in. Where as content you are describing (read:expansion) can be zerged through in a couple of weeks tops, then the player base is bored and loses interest and stops playing until the next expansion is rolled out. (8 to 12 months later)

Im sorry you dont like the living story, but if it bothers you that much, maybe its time to stop playing gw2.

Ok im a bit confused. So with the launch of the story journal I was under the impression that if you just logged in during the time of the episode, you would unlock that episode, to be played at your leisure. However, the episode didnt become unlocked until AFTER I completed it. I was also of the understanding that it would be unlocked for all characters at lvl 80 on your account. I haven’t tried with a lvl 80 alt yet, but others have had issues with it being just for that character.

So was I grossly mistaken as far as the first part is concerned? That you need to COMPLETE the story in order for it to be unlocked? Or is this just an unintended side effect?

Doss anyone else have the same issues or thoughts? I dont know if its already been addressed or not. If so can someone direct me to where it was addressed?

Thanks! !