Guild Wars 2

If you get hit by agony then you transform into something with significantly higher hp, will the agony scale up or continue to hit for the lower hp number?

remember though, on downed, they are able to ignore 1 of the ticks (pretty sure anyways, don’t watch too closely :P). Neways I’m also 49 on my thief but have an engi that I could easily give 30 ar. Could easily gather the people for this so it interests me

only thing that I’m not looking forward to is the mug nerf… oh well, guess I’ll have to adapt…

Panacea.4927:

Buff combos in combofields so thieves can utilize it better and apply their utility with that and give thieves a few combofields which are combined with their class mechanic-steal.

the combofield on steal would actually be a pretty cool idea. Probably need to trait for it but still very cool idea.

As it stands though, you can get consumables for many combo fields that you might want. You already have access to many fields though through weapons slots, utilities, and stolen items so I don’t know how much more you need. I would never get a consumable that has a fire field b/c pretty much every other class has a fire field for you to use. The only one I carry around is water field consumable that I use to give the team over 9000 healing!!!!!!!! And is used to its full effectiveness more than you’d think.

eh, 2g to retrait though instead of 3.5s… imo, just need a retrait book for like 5s

kozai
Probably the reason for this is because most of those videos are from the pov of warriors or guardians. If you’re not on one of those 2 classes you will generally have to dodge more. Doesn’t mean other classes are inferior, just means you might need to get used to the dodge key to maximize your own potential.

I don’t feel combo fields are something that can be abused. They can be used to their potential but since most everything has a limit, the fields can’t be abused any more than could a team of 5 warriors using fgs be abusing their shouts.

Silver.4798:

@Randomfightfan if u can spam clusterbombs for 3-4k a pop in an AoE I would like to know ur secret. Im serious.

it’s actually 3-4k + the bleeds. 3 stacks if I explode the bombs, 1 if I don’t. If you youtube me you’ll see my build and items in my vids and see me doing that dmg. Don’t have many vids up yet but the proof is there.

First vid in this one shows just how good thieves CAN be in a group that’s positioned correctly. Very easy and recreatable example too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtXMDqPbQA

actually there you go. 2 vids with me killing normal dungeon mobs showing the dmg it can pull off. Looks like it’s 2.6k to 3.8k without any might stacks and higher when I do get might. This is also with a pvt bow instead of zerk. Not transmuting it cause I heard it won’t get upgraded when ascended weapons come out. Not worth the risk imo.

awesome! so it really doesn’t affect one’s escape ability whatsoever as long as the thief knows what they’re doing.

Already know how to take advantage of this :P Probably shouldn’t say much more… pretty obvious to anyone who knows thief and how fields/finishers work.

Panacea.4927:

Clusterbomb is only decent at most. The long travel time of the cluster combined with the slow shotspeed of the shortbow itself makes the weapon only decent at damage. You can try to offset that with hugging the enemy and shorten the distance your cluster has to travel, yet that puts you in additional danger espeacily when you will mainly use AoE skills agaisnt multiple targets. There are some exceptions of course but you will mainly try to stick on range to your enemy with a shortbow.

You could now add that the blast finisher is worth it, yet I have to disagree as you will not often have all your teammembers sticking together to you and with that your heal and buffs will be wasted. The blast finisher will also buff the area where it hits, means when all your teammembers range the target, then you will buff no one.
There is still the possibility to buff your allies and dont hit your target at all, yet you will lose alot of damage you could do due to the initiative system which lets me put doubts how effective that will be.

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another big thing, go in melee range, somewhere a fire field will drop, give 25 might stacks to everyone, proceed to own the boss. If it’s still alive, rinse, repeat, cash the check. If you think a thief doing this = death, then I guess you don’t know that thief has a dodge button and heal skills too. We are also amazing at standing outside of the enemy’s attack range. We do this by not walking into spots we don’t deem safe. Other classes do this too but people tend to forget thieves can do it as well.

Yet in the best case scenario where your whole team sticks together and you can spam clusterbombs at your feet to apply group buffs and do AoE dmg, clusterbomb is very good… but how often do you have such a situation to begin with?

Also when its about damage, Warriors and Mesmers are theoretically both ahead of thieves.

so what you are saying is that you agree that thief has the highest potential to keep the team alive and super sayian if coordinated and played right. This is a class that takes more skill than most but if you can pull it off, they are amazing. Also when using sbow, play it like you would an ele for maximum dps. You could also lay down a dark field and spam the aoes there to maintain perma blindness stacks if you wanted to. Main point here is don’t knock it b4 you try it. I’m just happy that you are one of the few people who is seemingly willing to listen to feedback instead of acting like a sheep screaming “baaaaaa d thief baaaaaa d, kick baaaaaa d thief baaaaaa d”

if we are so OP in PvE, i want you to explain to me why ppl hate thieves so much in pug parties

cause people are ignorant to what the class can do. This isn’t their fault, it’s because they’ve seen people who are ignorant to thief try to play thief and fail. They just assume all thieves are like this, when in fact, a good thief can bring more to the team than any other class.

Edited this post cause we got +1s on revealed… which hurt… bad. It changed us from being graceful like cat woman and crafty like batman to being clumsy like jackie chan using the drunken master style (although not nearly as effective).

But now we might have some good news!

JonathanSharp.7094:

randomfightfan.4091:

In that case when do we PvE thieves get our 3s revealed debuff back?

Maybe so. We’re debating it.

I was a fat kid in a candy story when I saw this. They’re actually thinking about restoring the thief to their former glory.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Mif.3471:

JonathanSharp.7094:

A couple things:

• For PvE/PvP/WvW, we know that those are 3 different playstyles, we don’t just lump PvE and WvW together.

Considering WvW and PVE use the same skill values, yes you do.

We’re starting to split PvE/WvW in the upcoming patch.

But we want them to be things that keep consistency across the game types as much as possible.

If what I think you’re saying is true then sir, you have a e-hug coming your way

Silver.4798:

To address the thieves and PvE issue, yea if we could get some additional AoE’s, that would be fantastic. Can we get by now without the extra AoE’s? More or less. you have to know what you’re doing and why you’re doing it. Would it be nice if we had a couple more AoE’s? You bet.

lol? can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not… if it isn’t i’ll just put this out there. Spammable 3-4k cluster bombs and bouncing arrows on aa.

Louveepine.7630:

kind of armor for intermediate … it would be nice, I guess …

lose the cape and that’d be amazing

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lol check out that guy’s page, pretty sure it was his form of sarcasm… or was it!!!

Btw, pretty sure I’m the only person ever documented saying thief op in pve and being serious.

Konrad.9587:

Pyroatheist.9031:

You bring high damage and excellent survivability to a party

Thieves? Excellent survivability to a party? Perhaps in P/V/T gear, 30 in Shadow Arts/Acrobatics and only to yourself, but then your damage will be pitiful low.

your ignorance is hilarious, please keep up posts like this.

Pyroatheist.9031:

PvE in this game is a joke, end of story. If you complain about it being difficult, you’re doing it wrong. Simply take signet of malice and use some skills that do multihits. Yes, this means you won’t be able to run your 1-shot backstab build in PvE….what a shame.

still works, but here it actually takes practice to make it work. Easier to pull it off, harder to succeed while doing it. Granted sword is usually the better choice for pve until you start really know what you’re doing then you can do w.e you want and be a boss at it.

Drop caltrops (even if you have no condition damage) because the multiple hits from caltrops will heal a ton. Spam cluster bomb. Autoattack on shortbow. Use death blossom. Stealth attack on mainhand pistol. Trait for applying regen with stealth. Trait for regen in stealth. Congratulations, you should never die again.

I find condition damage thief to be very subpar in pve. Takes too long before the conditions start doing real damage and by the time the condition START doing dmg, the thing is now dead. If it isn’t dead in that time, then it’s either a vet (where conditions are decent at best) or a boss where you are fighting vs others for your condition stacks. Also, you shouldn’t be using death blossom that much since it’s an initiative dumpster. Properly using the auto attacks with your daggers or shadow steps on sword should give enough dodges or blinks to safety.

Can already just port to wvw and change my traits but why should I need to suffer through 4 load screens (say 4 because when I load wvw it loads twice for me for w/e reason). Something like what’s available in pvp would be awesome.

dungeons were made for the more hardcore type of players. Some dungeons (cof mostly) are significantly easier than most, but all are harder than open world pve content. Everything here is jacked up in difficulty and is scaled around a 5 person team doing the content and those 5 people at least semi-knowing what to do.

I’d give you some tips but I’ve done ac maybe 3 times since the change and was really zoned out during that time so I can’t really give you any solid advice. Only thing I can tell you is when kholer brings his arm back and his hand gets all glowy, count 1 mississippi then dodge.

Sebulon.7683:

I don’t care who I play with. Most of the time the runs are pretty smooth, sometimes they aren’t.

Like this, we were doing a couple of AC runs with the guild but we were missing one player, so we took a random. He was precisely lvl 35 Thief, who had just done story. Don’t remember his name, so let’s call him “Steve”.

So we got to the burrow part, where you have to defend Hodgins and destroy the burrows. I am a Guardian, so there I was aggroing the lizards and then I saw Steve run there and help me and I was like “STEVE, WATCH OUT!” Next he was bouncing around and died lol, it was so funny, I laughed so hard. He also had some trouble running past the lizards near the end, but he made it. Died during the first minute in the final boss, was revived when we won and had no shirt on.

Then I told him “Steve, we made it to the end!” and he was so happy.

LOL! Reminds me of my first ac run. Died to kholer probably 5-6 times with people trying to keep me alive. It wasn’t until about the 10th pull that I realized you could dodge it. Being full dead and having time to be a spectator (before I would decide to res back, back when res rushing was solid play) sure taught me a lot.

I haven’t done cm since back when I was a noob too… wonder if it’s as hard as I remember.

Zenyatoo.4059:

Part of the problem is that many bosses have mechanics/fights that punish players who dont already know how to do them.

No one explains how to fight the jellyfish in fractals. But if you’re fighting him in melee you’re either inexperienced, or a kitten. Either way you’re slowing the team down in ways that people dont enjoy.

Usually true. Only time it’s not true is when you’re a thief and you’re holding him inside a lantern. Spam dat 5 and you just became the greatest tank/highest dmg dealer in the game by a long shot.

The same is true for something like Arah. I’ve never seen anyone explain how to do the path 3 final boss, but if you had never fought it before you’d be tempted to attack the wraiths (which is bad). Asking for experienced players is (usually) a good way to avoid issues like these.

Every time I do this with someone I don’t know I give the quick overview of X and I will kite, you 3 stay in a circle solo and don’t attack anything. Stay in back so you don’t eat poison dmg.

Some people still think that they’re better than my advice and so we res them after we finish the ritual and finish the dungeon. Also, since I play thief, I tend to shadow refuge those kinds of people after I feel they learnt to listen to solid advice. If they do the same crap again we leave them dead.

Nothing wrong with a player who doesn’t know what they’re doing. What’s bad is a player who refuses to learn from their own mistakes.

and I thought capturing them on video would warrant some attention.

ignorant people are amusing. btw ignorant doesn’t mean dumb, it just means you dont know any better

Glad to see it done! Great job

Ayrilana.1396:

No noobs means that the players must be experienced in playing their class AND the dungeon. I usually just say I want experienced players rather than say no noobs. Aside from lack of experience, low leveled players cause groups to fail more often than anything else. EVERY group that I have been in where there has been two or more low leveled players, it always has failed.

I just got out of a group for AC Path 1 which failed over eight times on the mounds. There was not enough damage to destroy the mounds before the guardian was overrun by gravelings and couldn’t protect Hodges. We had a lv35 ranger and something like a lv45 mesmer. They constantly died and most likely did minimal damage.

then just ask for experienced players who have raw dps. It’s all in the wording

ensoriki.5789:

It means you can’t just Bottom out your endurance dodging and use Haste and effectively have no consequence since you were empty to begin with.

that strat should be available though since it’s effectively a last resort kind of attack. You’re already out of defensives so now you can go all out or do nothing and hope for the best. One of those best defenses is a strong offensive kind of ideals. Sounds solid in theory but probably would be broken in practice.

x per fection x.2096:

I put up a post today that said “level 10 daily ping 2 infused rings + infused back piece for invite” it was one of the best 10 daily groups i’ve been in in a long time. Now im not saying you need 30 ar for lvl 10 daily, i didn’t use 30 i used 15 but i wanted to know that the people im playing with went threw enough fractals to have them, i didn’t care if they used them or not. I think i was around 30 when i got my 2 rings and back piece.

As soon as i put this up though two people like yourself started raging calling me a noob because i thought people needed 30 AR for lvl 10 frac’s. This was not the case at all but some people take this kitten so seriously like it is real life… like yourself. People want to play with their own skill level, if you don’t thats ok. Just leave it be and quit crying over it. THIS IS A GAME, THIS IS NOT REAL, PLAY HOW YOU WANT TO PLAY AND DON’T BOTHER WITH PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT TO PLAY YOUR WAY.

Im sure the people (like myself) who make the posts asking for experienced players only and stuff like that don’t give a kitten about what you do, so stop giving a kitten about what they do and move on with your life.

The rage flows strongly through this one. I personally don’t care, made this post to help people like you out. Also, the posts you make do upset people because you playing “you’re way” is trolling other people who have done nothing to you.

Dasorine.1964:

I’d suggest trying it out, roll twice, pop haste and wait and see how your endurance regens.

In PvE at least you keep the negative at the end, who knows wether they put a strange silly rule in pvp situations.

I guess I was just gaining back more end than I though with just d/d autos. I tested it with using all my end (out of combat) then poping haste, and it took forever to gather up again. Same trick but with daggers, the endurance gain on hit shifted the balance to make it just seem like it was paused at 50%. My bad, you learn something new every day.

Red Falcon.8257:

Saying no noobs means no noobs period, I never needed to be carried especially in Arah that I can solo.
If I get a full 5 man team it’s because I want a quick clear.
Try saying “anyone welcome” in Arah and then wait 20 minutes at each skip run because you made it on first run and others need 20 tries.
Regardless of my skill, I can’t take control of other people’s characters and get them through stuff.

Realize that not everyone can stand a 3 hours-long marathon to complete a single path of a dungeon.
I’m not in my young years anymore so I can’t afford such a big waste of time due to people who spent no time learning to play their class.

It’s very egoistical to join “hard” content as a noob, especially if you don’t state it immediately because you make people waste their time.
I play games to have fun, not to babysit people; if you enjoy that all power to you, but the majority doesn’t want noobs.

Not saying you have to say all welcome and take only bad players. Only saying don’t say (here’s an actual lfg I read a lil while ago) “no noobs, no whiners, no kittenes, no necro, no ranger, no thief, no engi. Link armor before you join”
Things like that or something hilarious like fractal 10 runs with ar requirements. Almost as bad is the 1st day where it was possible to get 35 ar, every lfg went from 25 ar min to 35 ar min! link or be kicked!

Sorry for rambling, back to my point. If you don’t want to have to carry someone, just say experienced players only instead of noobs will be kicked. You can kick them if they are bad but it’s not cool if you kick them even before you know what they can do.

And the last piece of advice I can give is if you can make the run but are afraid others can’t, roll a thief or mesmer. You just made it so they no longer have to run and just sped up the speed run even more. Arah is a dungeon that very much so allows 1 player to do ALL the running for the team (most paths). You may need portal guns to get the team to where you are but most of the time you’ll be given a fresh/new wp in all the necessary spots. The only path where that isn’t the case is p1, after the ooze. Although if the players can’t make that run, it’s still a very easy clear since you can kill the silvers before the run and the mini ooze die to a stiff breeze.

Quam.7218:

If i see “no noobs” or “skilled players only 5k+ achie” I just smile and ignore those authors looking for others. Most of them don’t know what ‘noob’ means… but on the other hand if someone write’s down “experinced players only” or similar “prefer experienced players” I rather choose those firstly.

EXACTLY! It’s all in the wording but still people will just rage at a topic like this instead of trying to change what they’re doing wrong and become more sociable.

Also, fun fact. 2 months into this game, many people were 100% CONVINCED that mesmers were the worst class in pve (especially dungeons) and had no place here. Then a few good mesmers started poping up, builds came out that showed just how strong the class can be, and now it’s in the top 3 classes for pve.

If people remained as close minded to them as they are now, dungeons would only be guardian/warrior (only 1 cause you only need 1 support!), ele and engis. The fact is, the game has been out long enough that there are going to be good players in every profession so now every profession is viable as long as it’s player by someone who actually spent time with the class.

lol at you guys. Didn’t call anybody out, just told you what you’re telling the community with your msgs. If you don’t like how it sounds, then simply reword your lfg

dagger auto attacks would be the only way but I’ve noticed this even if I was using sbow and only sbow (with no swap sigils or food or anything).

Leo G.4501:

I’m no fan of speedruns, the ‘trinity’ profession only groups, skipping bosses and zerker only groups either…but your assumptions are way over the top, randomfightfan.

That is to say, just because I don’t run speed runs, or don’t like to always run pure zerker, or only have 3.5k achievements, don’t have 100% world completion and have only gone up to lvl 30ish fractals but run them at lvl 20ish…I don’t want people jumping to the conclusion that I’m a n00b that can’t hang with the elites or that I’m hardcore and play 6 and above hours a day. I’m just me and no need to jump to assumptions about me. So no need to jump to assumptions about other people :P

People want to run the content a certain way, and they should have the right to without being labeled something they aren’t.

What conclusions did I jump to about you? The only people I said I now block are those that say the zerker war only link gear people. EVERY SINGLE ONE of those people I’ve done a run with made me regret it in one way or another. By the looks of your post you aren’t one of those people so I’d never assume anything about you. I might do some teasing but only in a way that you’d know I was teasing. You’d get your chance same and I give everyone a solid chance.

Dasorine.1964:

It doesn’t stop you regaining endurance with moves like signet of agility or dagger auto attack.

What it DOES do however is remove an entire bar of endurance, lets say the endurance bar is 100/100 endurance, haste removes 100 endurance so if your full when you use it it takes you to 0, however if your NOT full it takes you into negative endurance.

If used while empty of endurance you go down to -100/100 meaning you have to regen an amount that would otherwise be a full bar before it starts actually filling the bar.

But as useful as the hasten moves can be, for 4 seconds use on a hefty cooldown the downsides are rather silly.

Didn’t know about the – endurance thing. If that’s the case though then why is it, regardless of my endurance after I use it, I have 0 endurance UNTIL the haste is gone. Soon as the buff is gone, my endurance immediately starts regenerating normally. Notice this even if I have 0 vigor and 0 endurance, use haste, soon as haste ends, endurance immediately starts showing up on my bar.

Assuming the -endurance thing is true, does having the haste buff end also reset your endurance to 0 if it’s anything >0

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All true but when you say no noobs, what you’re really saying and expressing to the community is that you are indeed a noob and in need of a good carrying.

Saying anyone welcome says you’re confident in your skills and have faith that anyone can be a good player if given the chance to learn and excel.

If someone straight up says it’s their first time doing a dungeon it means that they know they aren’t going to be amazing but they are willing to listen and learn. If you’re willing to be patient with me you might get a gem in the future, but for right now I’m a clump of coal waiting to be molded.

Saying zerker warrior only, link all gear, blah blah blah means, “This is my first character, I have no idea what other classes are or what they can do but they aren’t as good as me. I am da best and you all suck. Profanity. You’re all dumb cause you’re not my class with my build. I am the king of the universe.”

When I’m in a pt with 2 rangers and a necro I usually dread what’s going to come next but that doesn’t mean I’m going to leave the pt. Give those guys a chance, there might be a reason those guys are on those classes. They might know something you don’t and make the run super easy. This isn’t guaranteed for sure but everyone deserves a chance to proves themselves. Don’t judge it before you see it in action.

Makes sense that it rips out all of your endurance (you need something to sacrifice) but why does it make it so you can’t gain ANY endurance while under the effects of haste. That just isn’t logical in any way.

So I use haste, get the 2nd hit from daggers off, no endurance; get vigor from something, it doesn’t regen; have an endurance on weapon swap sigil, doesn’t proc.
This makes this into a HIGHLY situational skill instead of a great ability to complement many builds.

Comparing this to the other haste abilities, if they all worked the same, it would be disgusting.
Warrior would be, activate frenzy, now takes double damage from all attacks, also immediately loses half of your current hp.

Ranger would be, activate w/e it’s called, can’t heal from any sources, also your healing skill is now put on cool down.

The ONLY skill that gives haste that is worse than the thief’s haste is the one engis have (just the haste, not accounting for the toolbelt skill here) only because they don’t get a stunbreak upon use and the ability has a cast time. All the weaknesses, none of the strengths. If they didn’t get 2 abilities from that it wouldn’t be worth the slot.

funky fat thighs.1267:

So what we’re basically saying is that most classes are viable if not better than warriors in this instance.

But tbh I can tell people who are absolute morons apart from people who are half-decent…most of the time. On a couple of occasions I’ve had parties who say ALL RUBY ORBS, OR KICK!!! Even though there’s runes out there with 3-4% flat damage increases. Honestly it goes to show just how much they understand this game… treating it like WoW all the time. You will get nowhere with these people.

lol. If a warrior has scholar runes, then they are probably a good warrior. Having the confidence to say you’re going to be above 90% hp most of the time is a good boast when most warriors just feel like they don’t have to dodge since they can out tank and out dps anything.

Same goes for any other class but it just seems more rare on warriors.

Mandra Madador.1709:

I mean why give Initiative, such a flexible method for fighting, to abilities that can melt face in seconds. Won’t that just add more problems as it already is?
Now imagine if initiative was used more for something like “death’s charge” or more stealing/stealth/ heal your friend/stealth your friend related abilities. Let the warriors cave in skulls have the thief be more sophisticated in its play.

I don’t think of a thief as breaking skulls, I think of them more as the ones who can get in and out undetected and quickly remove certain obstacles that are in their way.

Mandra Madador.1709:

Thief gets played like an Assassin because that is what they are replacing from GW1.

Man I’d get a trait to heal you for warping to someone with more health than you.
I’ll call it Deaths charge.

The Deaths Charge idea is actually really nice!

lots of potential with this! Like steal 50% of the difference in health, non negate-able damage. Would be pretty bawler

Mandra Madador.1709:

As an idea,
How cool would it be if you were able to steal in to your opponent grab them and port with them away form the scene. This could be done to a foe or a friend.

I’m currently using a d/p build. My build is not glass exactly but close, and its good for what the thief can do; it works great!

sounds like you want to use scorpion wire or d/p 3 on something that is reflecting (engi with his shield on, dagger storming thief, magnetic aura ele, reflecting shield war and reflection on distortion mes). That combo reflects the projectile that shadowsteps you to your target and instead makes the target shadowstep to you.

Any way, to add to the actual post’s question I’d say: Add traits that bolster stealth, stealing, disguise skills, feign death skills.

Thanks.

idk what you’re saying here (or in the next part but w/e) but it sounds like you might like playing mesmer more than thief.

I use fast cast ground targetting so sometimes you use it once and it doesn’t go off, you just assume you casted out of range so you cast it again. That instantly messes you over. THAT is the most common circumstance where I find the .2s delay would be a lifesaver. Also .2s is negligible most of the time but .1s might be better for people like you who don’t want to be slowed down and have perfect internets. That way you don’t get slowed down and I don’t get auto-boned.

Brighteluden.2974:

I’m actually not surprised no one mentions a necro in a AoE situation using blood is power and other conditions then a good epidemic going off..ah, us necro’s so misunderstood

Gen an engi to stack 25 stacks of bleeds and vuln, some burning, poison, confusion and chilled all on a small group. After that get a necro to add in blinds, cripples and add to the duration of the poison and whatnot. Then necro gets to spam epidemic onto a LARGE group. This over and over melts people. Doesn’t work every time but b/c this rotation can be spammed every 15s, it’s a very strong (even if they are fighting for stacks) combo vs anything aoe.

Vicarious.3047:

You can only burst that high against under lvled players or other glass canons. I’ve had several P/P thieves try comboing my guardian with those high burst skills and recharges, but they always end up running away once their second bout of initiative has been burned through.

Yeah protection is nice, regen helps, and healing saves me, but a ranger who’s good at kiting could probably kill me, where as a burst thief and definitely rifle warrior cannot.

uh… thief steals the protection, retaliation and regen. Now how are you going to beat a p/p or sbow thief? D/D or sword/x thief could also take you then and there IF they play it just right.

Also this post is about ranged dps in GENERAL, not just in wvw or pvp. You have to take into consideration pve as well. Ranger and engi do have the highest sustained single and aoe (respectively) dmg if they are using all of their potential. They might not be the best in wvw due to condition cleansing but they still do have the highest dps over a long period of time. Not saying highest burst, saying highest dps.

GoZero.9708:

I’m not counting Mesmer because their illusions get within close range.

Long range single target: Ranger if you count Pet, Warrior if you don’t
Long range AoE: Elementalist
Medium range anything: Engineer

Didn’t realize 1500 was mid range… those poor engis always in harms way

RaynStargaze.6510:

randomfightfan.4091:

Also why doesn’t U grant stun-break?

Elixir-U is already waaay inferior to the haste skills of other classes because it has a drinking animation and is not instant like all the other haste abilities.

Why stop there? Lets just make it like … really terrible in comparison!

How to fix it? Instead of drinking, smash it against your own character for insta-cast and grants stun-break. Makes sense and is now significantly more viable

Gelltor.3015:

That’s fine if you’re running with people you know can run it no bother,but that is always a gamble with Pugs,where a lot of the time it will simply be less of a hassle to kill them first.

very true, I just posted with the assumption in mind that the guys knew what they were doing. Guess I should be more open minded

if there’s anything else people would like tips on let me know and I’ll try help out as best I can

so when’s this being implemented

Added another fractal vid. Should be more informative and shows off a few more things that I find are awesome.

somsom.5201:

ehhh I avoid those groups like the plague. Some of the players are skilled, but more are just bad. Zerker Eles can drop just as much dmg(if not more) than Warriors in CoF; check the Ele forum if you don’t believe me.

Only posted this because the zerker warrior only groups have been leaking into other dungeons and it’s making me sad. Found them in ac, ta, coe, and arah too. My heart was broken when I saw all of those on the sight at the same time.

And you are 100% right about ele and thief is in the same boat. Ele in fire with all the lava fonts and +10% dmg to burning is crazy vs stationary targets. Also a thief kills the door the fastest out of any class and makes the effigy melt with perma poison. If you have a decent grenade engi in the pt and no other condition stackers, a ppc engi will also deal stupid amounts of dmg. They alone can maintain 25 stacks of bleeds and vuln while also adding on burning and poison for the added deeps. After about 5 seconds into the fight, the engi could be doing warrior calibre damage and giving the team 25% more damage permanently.

I’m sorry necros and rangers, I just can’t defend you here. Have an 80 of both as well but they just don’t shine here (my experience anyways as trying both as zerker and ppc).