Guild Wars 2

This thread shows exactly why the tp forums should have been closed instead of the WvW matchups, a toxic bunch of “players” with all the time in the world on their hands. Of course this can’t happen because it’s the baby of the “economist”.

With the QQ from all these “awesome” high ranked pvpers I’m starting to feel that this change is even better. Get a little of this toxicity out of the community through a purge.

Basch.1347:

Tom.8029:

Fa is being double teamed by HoD and YB. How is that automatically grounds for an implosion?

Yeah, this is just kitten. There’s no double-teaming occurring at all. In truth, HoD and FA are focusing each other intensely to the point where YB is generally ignored within the match-up, with the exception of opportunistic grabs in EB and when HoD has queues on the relevant EB, FABL, and HoDBL maps, leading some to spill into YBBL.

Troll thread is a troll thread though. In an attempt to balance the troll, I’ll tip my hat to both HoD and YB for quite the exciting and nail-biting week so far. YB’s efforts on reset night were little short of amazing, considering the level of organization and coordination that they displayed. I’ve also noticed the same HoD commanders leading the HoD groups the past few days and have to tip my hat to them as well for the extra hours. Having done the same extra hours commanding in S1, I feel their pain, though I shirk such hours these days. There are a few of our own commanders doing the same, but on the whole, NA isn’t pushing themselves too hard. Perhaps at the end of the week, as the match-up draws to an end.

However the week turns out, it’s been a solid week full of bags and endless fights (points at Bay in HoDBL for two nights we’ve managed to WP it) that almost have me pulling those same aforementioned extra hours for pure enjoyment. I can only hope that the rest of the season offers such competition and challenge.

Also, in before lock.

This match has been really fun, yet incredibly frustrating for me at least. Yaks has lost ALL our pvers, maybe have 1 map queue at primetime NA which means we just can’t keep up with the numbers that both you and HoD are putting up. I’ve been focusing on EBG, because most of us are focused on our own borderland so I’ve been fighting outmanned a good portion since reset, and it has made for some VERY VERY fun fights all around, but with our lack of numbers we’ve been forced to ninja as much as we can when you focus each other and defend our 2 t3 towers and keep with our lives.

Rhalas.4167:

Everyone makes a big deal about our numbers but the majority of the time our zerg is outnumbered by FA and in equal numbers with Yaks.

This…is a straight up lie, at least on EBG it is. HoD has some of the largest zergs I have every seen, most of the time it seems to be EVERYONE from the map is in it.

Sean.8274:

Going to throw my 2 cents in here:

I predict FA beating HoD due to their experience fighting at these levels and superior tactics. On reset last night, HoD, YB, and FA probably queued all 4 maps. I know HoD did. Since player numbers were equal across the board for the first few hours, the leader of the reset night is clearly the superior strategist (as a server).

HoD is not used to fighting in higher tiers; the HoD you see has been honed in Bronze league and most of our (big) transfers come from either Bronze or bottom Silver. There is a different play style at this level that we as HoDians have not yet melded into our strategy. Unless we can adapt quickly, we will not be able to keep up with FA in the season. This week will be a close match because of our (apparently) superior coverage, but FA has the superior tactics… as far as I can tell that is.

I am not saying HoD cannot pull it off, but from what I saw last night we need to improve as a coordinated server rather quickly. If we win this week it will be from coverage, not because we are better. If we win, I would rather it be for the latter.

YB was the one who didn’t have the numbers, well the first ~hour or 2 we had the 3 borderlands queued but ebg was off on queue. But after that time we barely had a single queue, and were outmanned in ebg.

insaneshadow.1654:

I never fully grasped HoD’s zerg numbers until now. Good lord, I have yet to run into a HoD zerg that wasn’t around 50 people. I don’t know how long we can hold out against those numbers.

They have to run those numbers, anything under 2to1 numberswise they get annihilated. It’s crazy how bad some of these groups are.

Ostricheggs.3742:

I hope you’re not referring to me…

Also, another thing I just heard is that people are getting reimbursed dyes for the duplicate dyes they have on other chars… Second rate citizenship at its finest

He’s talking about the Nary Irk Why or w/e, the guy came out and said he skyhammer farmed, but he has been the most vocal out of everyone(except bigwad) about "ONLY 70+ DESERVES DRAGON).

Ostricheggs.3742:

I understand what you’re saying and I’m perfectly fine with it if it ends up making PvP better. That’s all I care about at the end of the day.

But if they disrespect the players that have been loyal to the game for the longest time, how can you expect them to make the game a decent place for you to spend your time?

Actually, instead of an apology, could I get a skyhammer pass for solo queues please?

I agree 100% with you here. If they don’t go towards a game that rewards skill over everything else, then you can tell me I told you so and I be on the bandwagon with multiple pitchforks. And then I find a different game to play because WvW and PvP are awesome, and I hate the thought of them making it even worse.

Darksteel.8412:

well I don’t get it..I don’t get it…don’t know what to calculate with…don’t know what the values will be now..can’t find anything on it…prolly just me tho…

43 1/2 ranks will be Bear, 48 1/3 ranks will be shark, 51 and a bit will be Pheonix, and a little less than 54 will be Dragon.

Ostricheggs.3742:

They have shown no inclination to reward skill. That’s especially the case when any mouthbreathing kitten can farm AC every day, run around completing the map and earn a legendary

It’s the simple truth that time spent in game is rewarded. I never said I liked it this way, but to ignore reality isn’t healthy. Skill is almost never rewarded in anything except high level tournaments (which is arguable in and of itself given the current meta)

So would you rather them continue to reward time over skill instead of working towards making an environment that would reward skill over time? Because ranks were never going to be a measure of skill, the only way to do that is reward tournaments, leaderboards, and “seasons” of some sort. That’s the foundation I see them heading towards. It doesn’t really seem like it because they aren’t adding anything with this feature patch that you “hardcore pvpers” enjoy. But that’s because it’s aimed at bringing people in from other game modes to actually have an active pvp population, so that they can implement everything else.

If they skipped right to major tournaments, leaderboard rewards, and season without increasing the active pvp base it would be worthless. You would have the same stagnant pvp players fighting each other over and over, I can’t see that being fun for anyone. But what do I know, I’m not a “hardcore” pvper. Of course that might be because there has been nothing to get me to spend all my time in there.

Ostricheggs.3742:

You’re playing the wrong style of game then bud. Time sinks always get rewarded in MMOs. Also your 1500+ hour assumption is off by about 8000+ hours or so. Just saying.

Maybe they don’t want GW2 to be your average “Play till you die of old age to get this shiny” type MMO. I guess the last 16 months or so have led you to believe that’s what they wanted, but I’d like to hope they finally see how wrong it is to reward time > skill. It’s kinda funny you and the ~10 others that I know mainly got to 70 or close to it in tourneys were the only reason I felt rank60-70 deserved more rewards when this went live. That feeling has gone away. Maybe you will all gain rewards based on your ranks, maybe not. At this point I don’t care, maybe this game needs a new set of “top players” , and hopefully the changes will bring them in.

Edit: Bad Engrish.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

Practice makes you raise your skill, didnt you know?

So I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall, so I just going to stop. GG you won the arguement through lack of understanding.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

You get good by practicing mate.

Train makes the best champions, not only talent.
Practice is as important.

…..Everyone understands practice makes perfect. But after practicing you have to show how skillful you have become to get rewarded from that practice.

RANKS SKIP THIS STEP. You get rewarded for how much practice you have done, BUT NOT FOR HOW SKILLFUL YOU HAVE BECOME. That is why ranks are worthless and should be only a moderate goal to go for. The change to ranks will do this. Everyone(and this includes anet) understands there now needs to be changes to reward players FOR SKILL and that’s what leaderboards and season will do. That’s why the pvp blog was called Building a Strong FOUNDATION, meaning all measure of rewards, tournaments, and other fun things will be build on this. Everyone also understands that the people who have put thousands of hours into getting r70 are getting the short end, but can noone see the light at the end of the tunnel where pvp has stopped being a grind and is more focused on skill like it is meant to be?

Nary Why Irk.8150:

No, it´s not sad. I invested a lot of time playing tennis tournaments and training since I was a kid, and I became a top pro player in my region.

Time invested is the key for success and getting better, along with innate talent.

You do know ranks are more like giving someone a championship trophy for practicing alot right? Instead of playing well.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

You must definitely be a new player, since you don´t understand the idea of prestige. Maybe hardcore pvp is not your thing, therefore you shouldn´t even be putting your hands into this matter.

Yup completely brand new, 7 year of GW1 and First Beta GW2. Somehow time investment has become what people equate prestige to instead of Skill. It’s kinda sad.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

There are many ways of calling new players attention, and making r55 dragon isn´t the only one possible out there. It damages the prestige of this game highly.

Keep saying whatever you want, there are many players sharing my same thoughts, they are just not being as active and loud as I am being. Feel free to scroll on next pages to check for other players opinions.

I would advice you to keep reserved about high ranked players real life, it is not something you should be taking care of. It is good for you to stop moaning about what others do with their free time.

You keep saying prestige this prestige that, but what prestige? I don’t see a rank60+ in teamq or soloq and say, holy crap that guy has to be good, most of the time it’s more like HOW IS THAT GUY 60+, HE SUCKS! Time != skill, oh well, it’s not worth it hopefully Anet will follow through and it will give some people(including me) a reason to come back to pvp. If not, it’s no skin off my back because I also enjoy the other parts of the game.

mPascoal.4258:

I’m rank 36 right now. This doesn’t affect me that much but rank 80 was my small dream in GW2. Now it will be so easy to get I’m not even sure if it will be worth to get or care getting

If you are only rank36 now, you would have never gotten 80. This isn’t mean or anything, it’s just that the amount of rank points needed is way to high.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

It´s not constructive just for you. But once again, you are just a newcomer who hasn´t showed dedication in pvp and you are trying to debate our proposal against the people who has been here since release showing their effort.

Sorry mate, but no way some of us could take you into consideration. You haven´t proved any dedication or effort in this game in order to judge if our suggestion is constructive or not.

YOU are supposed to be taken into consideration? Why? Just because you put more time into sPvP than other people? That makes you more worthwhile? PvP should be constantly pulling in new people otherwise you will never have a population. If you only focus on the people at the top this won’t happen. Somebody accused me of calling “top end”(lol) players selfish and I don’t think that way, but YOU, YOU are selfish. It is coming out in EVERY post you make, you only care about yourself and not about the health of the game mode. More time = more dedication? That’s not true at all, more time = no life outside of pvp, THAT’S IT. Have fun playing spvp with yourself and the 10 other no lifers in the game, tell me when that stops being fun.

mfrelas.9476:

Stop being selfish? All we want is a spectrum to show off our skill/time invested. YOU just want achievements and titles that are easy to get. Of course there are other ways to show skill off (LoL and SC2 ladders for example?) but ANet seems to not listen to these suggestions. OP offers an alternative that’s easy to implement and doens’t step on anyone’s toes.

No where did I say selfish, plus my post wasn’t directed towards the OP as my quoting the other person would show. I actually like the ops idea, it is a nice and clean way to show, wow this guy has won A TON of tourneys on these characters.

CMstorm.8679:

Can I get an explanation of why the pvp crafting materials are being removed? I really love the Wardrobe system coming in so that you don’t have to worry about crafting the same armor set for different characters and that all the armor/weapon skins will be shared across your account, BUT if you don’t have a certain set of armor that you’d like to have, will you still be able to craft it if you have the tokens for it?

Will all your pvp mats disappear once the patch hits or will you just not be able to gain pvp mats anymore?

There will be no more pvp crafting come april 15th, all those mats will also be deleted.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

I feel sorry for you mate, but Dragon Rank shouldn´t be something every casual should get. It´s meant to be for the most dedicated players. It was that way back in guild wars 1, and it has to be that way here.

No trust me, I feel much more sorry for you because to get rank65+ you have to make PvP your life, and that’s sad. I don’t know if it’s rose colored glasses or something else on these forums, but the system in GW1 for rank was horrendous it promoted elitism and slowly strangled itself to death.

The only reason I’m still posting in these threads is because I want Anet to see that there are people who want this, that it has the makings of bringing new life into pvp.

I know I won’t change any minds, because you don’t care, everyone screeching about “dragon rank is going to be worthless” can only see their “prestige(LOL grind is a better term)” disappear. The same people have been begging for ways to bring new people(or old ones back) into pvp. This is the first step, I would guess the next few would be adding rewards into leaderboards and adding seasons with rewards for the top players. I’m also guessing adding more game modes is in that track. So stop being selfish, figure out that time != skill, and give ideas on new rewards and game modes Anet can use to rewards skill instead of time.

Edit: Paragraphs because it turned into a much larger post than I originally planned on.

Nary Why Irk.8150:

You do you have problems with reading comprehension.
The solution I´m proposing is pretty much clear: r70 being dragon.
Don´t read if your eyes bleed. These are forums, opinion is free to be expressed.
Furthermore, There are many topics asking the same than me: r70 being dragon. There are also players in game sharing this same thought.

And guess what? Arena-net is open to this kind of feedback.

You had more time to FARM than everyone else, that’s all rank70 means. If you haven’t been able to figure that out idk what to say.

I just hope Anet doesn’t listen to all the complainers(I do agree the high ranked players deserve something be it a title or more chests), but some of use can see the good in changing ranks like this. It will FINALLY give players that can’t devote their whole lives to pvp something to go for.

Yes, you just have to log into each of those characters to get the gear into the wardrobe.

You do understand that 90% of the reason the leaderboard is off is because of lack of players right? “Fixing” the leaderboard before fixing the reasons pvp lacks players is worthless.

bhagwad.4281:

I think you’re in the wrong genre. You might want to play a MOBA instead. This is an MMO. It rewards time spent. And if ranks don’t mean anything, why is anyone objecting to infinite ranks? They don’t mean anything right? Everyone’s happy!

You have been saying this alot, maybe it’s because you like being able to make up for lack of skill with time investment?

Talyn.3295:

Given how hard we laughed at the youtube video of your guild getting slammed. But in case you have forgotten due to one to many hammer hits to the head. I hunted it up for your viewing pleasure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WCq986sCpU

I love how everyone acts so awesome, of course all that is happening is auto attack. So good. Much Zerg. Broken 1key.

RustyEyeballs.8927:

So came back to the game like a weeks ago and resumed doing my PvP dailies in Solo Queue. I do Solo Queue even though it might be slower, the games are more enjoyable. Also I’m pretty close to my Monthly and, lately I’ve been trying out PvE so, I’ looking forward to overall boost.

So, I lose the first game, and get sad that there are no rewards in PvP and that my games over the past week have been nearly pointless. I check the Monthly AND IT’S RESET. Wut?! Check the time and, it’s still 5 hours until April. It reset early. I LITERALLY had 3 game wins left!! Then I realize that, if I had been stomping newbies in hot joins, I would easily had the extra wins. Then it sinks in how many resources I just lost…Alt-F4

You do know the monthly and daily have timers on how long is left till they reset right?

Evan Lesh.3295:

Some maths for errbody:
For a new player to get from 1->80 with the new numbers:
Fastest: 729 team arena wins with full time rewards.
Slowest: 5467 custom arena losses with full time rewards.

This makes me a little mad tbh, I’ve got 639 teamq wins and 179 soloq wins, but I am still over 400 wins away from Dragon, ~150 from shark. I actually have a reason to do pvp again though so it’s not that big a deal.

I would guess yes, since all PvP skins are going into the wardrobe there will be no way to differentiate between pve cultural armor or pvp. Of course they may do something stupid and not have it count…

Simon.3794:

if you want to be rewarded for farming brainlessly, go play pve, or even wvw, no pvpers would want it, go away.

I’ve stopped reading this guys posts, because I’m fairly sure he is a skyhammer farmer and his “hardwork” is getting taken away from him. Yaknow since everyone is gonna be bear or higher.

Edit: and when I say this guys post I mean the guy Simon quoted.

48 1/3 ranks will be shark. (Did this math because that’s what I’m aiming for.)

Me getting exclusive stuff is more important than the health of the pvp we have whined about dying for over year!

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Conversation over. If you think the leaderboards are a good incentive for hardcore players, then you really don’t know what you’re talking about. The leaderboards are a joke among top players.

They why the hell even play? To take 10 years to go Dragon Rank? I’m losing all respect for any of the high ranked players.

Bombsaway.7198:

“WHY WOULD YOU WANT dragon finisher if EVERYONE has it???

it would have ZERO prestige…"

You are thinking like a hardcore player. For you and your microcluster this would not be a sensible decision.

But for the multitude of other player microclusters this is brilliant. They view the dragon finisher as nothing more than another achievement to obtain. It is not per se more or less important than any of the other 100 achievements to obtain. This fits a strategy to make PvP more unified with the achievement and reward structure of PvE and WvW to encourage more of those players to anchor themselves (at least a bit) in PvP and help population etc.

Yup, and then there is the group like me who sees the Shark Finisher and wants it not because of prestige, but because it looks freaking awesome. Idc if Shark was rank 10 I would still use it 100% of the time.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

Lux.7169:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

ok guys how many rank 70+ do we have now in pvp? ill guestimate around 20 and that maybe exagerating by a lot. thats a minority even in a really small pvp community we have. your saying that when 15k players who play pvp, harcore or casual who likes the changes have to listen what the 20 rank70+ players want? gtfo

Let me try to put this in perspective for you. I’ve played this game, /age’d, for 5,000 hours. Minus afk and PvE/WvW time I’d guess that’s about 4,000 hours. Four thousand kittening hours in PvP. That’s almost six months IN GAME. I’d guess that I could have every class leveled to 80 with at least 10 legendarys in the amount of time I’ve played this game’s pvp.

If you want your free dragon emote then so be it, I sure as kitten can’t change it, nor do I even care. I find it shameful though that there will be no carrot on the end of the stick for those that do (or did) actually care. I feel even worse for those that spent even a second grinding rank after rank 55.

Just have a little respect for those like myself who are getting screwed. No retroactive rewards, no extra title for hitting rank 70 before it was free, no rewards after hitting rank 80. I have legit never even SEEN one of those new reward chests and I never will. I honestly don’t give a flying kitten that my time spent playing PvP won’t be rewarded at the end of the day. Phoenix was cool for the exclusivity, sure, and it was great for kittening too.

It’s ok, you’ll get 9 chests. I’d guesstimate the value in gold of those chests are… 3 gold.

All of these r50’s rejoicing makes me want to vomit. Like you said, they could at least have a bit of respect and not rub it in.

i dont really care if they make r55+ dragons or not… i enjoy all the game modes. i played 2.6k hours of both pve and pvp combined, did 5 map completion and 4 legendaries, full ascended gear. im not rank 55 i wont be a dragon and sure as hell i like shark finihser better than phoenix. but like i said your a minority of minorities in pvp community. maybe who knows you guys who are r70+ will get precursor in your bag of goodies when you reach r80.

I would like to point out that I am going to get less bags than anyone because I won’t be leveling up as much as others are. In otherwords I’m getting punished for being a higher rank…

A-net sure is listening to those 20 or so rank 70s eh?

They really need to rethink this portion of it. Even if they capped it at like 50-60 bags.

As a 42 I +1 this to infinity.

Even if it’s just an awesome title.
Like 60+: Mist Ravager
70+ : Mist Reaper.

Lux.7169:

Well you never appeared in the top 1k so that’s probably why it didn’t show you.

Like you said, 1200 is close to 1300, and 40g is close to 63g. Let me keep 23g for the pvp unlocks? I won’t go back on my word though since you were only… a 100ish games off so if you want full 63 let me know here.

It may seem like I am against rewarding you all who put in the time and effort, but I really think you should, in rank up chests and other pvp only rewards, while also allowing people to have a realistic shot at maxing rank. I really do think everyone 60+, should have either gotten skins or a title that showed that they got it before the rank was changed. I think it is bs that you don’t, but I really feel the need to defend the rank changes for the health of pvp because I LOVE it(when it has a good meta).

FYI I didn’t say before LB’s(for some reason the leaderboard is screwed up for me), but before the rank points were increased. 80%+ were after Leaderboards were added. And I meant 1200 not 1300 so you don’t jump on me for that.

Lux.7169:

sirflamesword.3896:

Now I understand you, you are more focused on having something “few people have” instead of something you enjoy. Have fun with that mentality.

And you want what the elite have. Now you have it… well, except for the skills we achieved along the way.

You know, because you’ve never actually been in tpvp or solo Q. I just checked.

LOL sorry dude I’ve got less tourneys played than you but it’s still 1300(all of which before the update to rank points gained) so I’m not going to be dragon,but thats not what I wanted I wanted shark because I like it.

Lux.7169:

Perhaps if you read my thread about the gem shop conspiracy fueling the motivation behind such a random change to how the foundation of the rank system functions you would further understand my logic.

Logic doesn’t fail, it’s either well supported or it’s not. Plus, even if logic is not well supported or supported incorrectly, it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

“I will win this match because the other team has 5 thieves!” poorly supported logic, but they could probably win. Correlation may not imply causation but it doesn’t mean it won’t.

Unless the dragon rank emote is phenomenal, I won’t be using it. You know, because tons of people will have it.

Now I understand you, you are more focused on having something “few people have” instead of something you enjoy. Have fun with that mentality.

Lux.7169:

They won’t do the recolors. They want people to spend money on gem shop rank finishers. If everyone has dragon what’s the point? That’s their logic at least.

Your logic fails right here, giving “everyone” dragon would be backwards, because if it’s even half as cool as phoenix and shark will anyone buy gem store finishers?

I love how backwards all you “hardcore” pvpers are. For over a year you have talked about how Ranks aren’t a measure of skill, and how the Leaderboard rank means nothing. And the second someone calls you bad, you go straight to “LOOK AT MY LEADERBOARD RANK, LOOK AT MY PVP RANK”.

Stand The Wall.6987:

The current rank progress should remain the same.

The changes are not wanted by anyone who takes pvp seriously. Casuals will be happy, yay for them. People that spent a lot of time on this will get the middle finger. This is not okay.

How has this thought process worked out for the pvp community so far? Clearly not very good.

Soul.9280:

That’s because it isn’t fair, and probably not something the devs considered when they decided to make this change. However the good news is that it shouldn’t be too hard to program a solution into the game that does award chests for earned ranks beyond rank 80.

Dev’s this would be a good opportunity to get some good PR through fast damage control, and keep your most loyal players happy by treating them fairly.

Disclaimer: I’m only rank 47 and wouldn’t be affected by this, but my sensibilities are still offended that high rank players would be “cheated” out of rewards that lower rank players would receive with this change.

This, I feel the same way and am also unaffected(rank 42). I think the restructuring of the ranks is a VERY good idea, but those who have put a huge amount of time into the game should get something extra, even if they got 1,000 champ bags from it compared to what frostgorge farmers have gotten over the last few months it is nothing.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

So I decided I would head to PvP before the big feature patch to stock up on some skins… but skins have been removed from PvP?

I won 3 solo queue arena matches but got no skin chest.

I ranked up twice but my rank chest just contained carrots and pebbles?

Have all skins been removed from PvP? Is there any way to get skins now?

You will have to wait till after the feature update to gain anymore skins from win chests and rank up chests. They removed them so that PvP players would be able to start ahead of pve players since ALL of their former rewards are getting taken away.

Evan Lesh.3295:

You will only get a chest per rank to 81. You will not get more than (81 – current rank) chests. Rank/Title achievements are unchanged.

This blows my mind…it sounded like the people that had more rank points than 81 would continue to tick over accumulating chests. This is a total screwover to everyone 65+.

Edit: People that had many more rank points than they needed to get to 80 getting many reward chests was the only reason I felt okay being happy about this update to ranks. I mean they deserve ALOT more rewards than someone like me who is only rank42.

Lux.7169:

Jaxom.7310:

I like the change too. I love pvp, but I never even thought about getting r80 because of the stupid amount of time it would have taken to get there. Kind of like maxing out some of those achievements in gw1 pvp.

Good change.

I already have 2 dragon rank accounts. One imba and one on eu.

That’s not incentive for me to play.

This is just sad…i mean REALLY REALLY sad.

bhagwad.4281:

Yes they do. Try pitting a team of r50s against a team of r10s and tell me how it goes. It’s a myth that ranks don’t mean anything. I would any day prefer to have higher ranks in my team compared to lower ranks. Anyone who has PvP’d for a decent amount of time will tell you the same thing.

All you are saying is, this group of BAD r10s will lose to this group of REALLY GOOD r50s. Yes there is a HIGHER CHANCE the r50s are better because they have played longer, but I have seen some REALLY REALLY REALLY bad players over r50, and some really good players below 20. And plus this isn’t changing anything below r40…like honestly it still takes time to get there….

Lux.7169:

I mentioned that completionists would be drawn when I said people would mostly just come to grind out dragon rank then go back to PvE.

At the end of the day, though, you have to wonder: is this what PvP needs? I think not.

I really feel like people are forgetting the ability of anet adding rewards(like finishers and other pvp exclusive items) to the Leaderboards and other tournaments that could be added. Of course the first thing they have to do it get people to actually play spvp, and I think this is the first step. If the “high level” pvper leave because their “I played a million hours” rank gets changed to “I played 1,000 hours” then why have you stayed for almost 2 years with the crappy system that was in place?

Mythoryk.7984:

What? I played HA/GvG for several years before it became unpopulated. It only really became “dead” in the months leading up to GW2. The majority of casual HAers didn’t even achieve a Tiger emote. That is why the actual PvP community of GW1 was so competitive. Rank Nine One Fame At A [Time].

Rose colored glasses much, all you have to do is search gw1 ha dead and you will find that by 2010 people were already talking about HA being dead. GvG was dead not too long after that(You could still play either with a group of guildies, but there was all of like 10 competitive teams in each). Most of the pvp scene died thought because of the people who played it. Was never any new blood because the higher ranked players didn’t teach, and even moreso freaked out at them. (FYI I was a tiger by then)