Guild Wars 2

BakiSaN.9281:

sirflamesword.3896:

I didn’t want this to be called compensation before because it feels like a negative way to describe it, but after this story it really does feel like people who used tourneys to legitly gain PvP rank deserve some compensation.

Just did the math and I’d still barely get to rank 50 which would still make me silly compared to some of the sh farmers that took shark in those 3-4 months. Meaning, this wouldn’t be a complete fix considering the farmers but it would help out a lot.

BakiSaN.9281:

This has no way to have a bad effect on the game in any way what so ever. Compensating loyal and active players with points that do NOT impact the game in ANY way except for bestowing bragging rights can only have a positive effect. Don’t get me even started on how much it would do towards fixing the damage caused by skyhammer farming. Let’s look at it this way. I have around 1,5k tournies played and my current LEGIT rank is 43. The other day, I decided to go FotM to have a lil’ fun with the new stuff and all and at 1 point I wanted to brag somewhat with my tiger. I did /rank (the only thing you can do to brag) and got faceslapped by a PvE’er that pulled a bear on my kitten . I pressumed he was a sPvPer too, a legit one and so I asked him. He said and I quote: “Nah, I just did the sh farm for a month or so, wanted the bear for giggles”. I just stood there for a minute or two, mindblown at how my effort and loyalty meant absolutely nothing and not only that but it actually made me look silly.

I didn’t want this to be called compensation before because it feels like a negative way to describe it, but after this story it really does feel like people who used tourneys to legitly gain PvP rank deserve some compensation.

Edit: Honestly if that had happened to me I would have just quit the game for good.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/A-Guide-to-sPvP-1-Teamcomps-and-roles/first#post3329867

If he reads this, it has a pretty detailed explanation of tPvP which can (mostly) be brought over to hotjoins.

I’d really like this to at least be discussed, and if it’s not implemented I would like a good reason why not. I honestly don’t see a real downside to retroactive rewards like this(Gold would have had a huge downside), but maybe there are some that I haven’t seen and that’s why I would like it to be discussed with dev responses.

Lux.7169:

Hotjoin srs bsns.

TheDevice.2751:

yes! im so glad we get a bonus cus im a necro and warriors are everywhere! TY anet now i can play more and lose even harder!

Or we should just all go hard cc like wars and engi’s and eles. Sound good ppl? XD
You will probably end the bonus when wars are not completely overpowered and necros have a slim chance. I just say remove necro option from tpvp all together.

As a necro you should beat warriors like 90% of the time. You just have to wait the whole 6secs or w/e on Zerker stance….

I don’t know whether this comes up often or not, but is there any specific thing I’m doing that is making it so that the water field doesn’t activate after overcharging the healing turret? Seems to happen about 33% of the time I try to blast it.

Instead of compensating us players, maybe they could just call it retroactively increasing rank rewards in tPvP

Silentshoes.1805:

I dropped to the 25% level in SoloQ.

I was just in a match where we have a full team of 5, and the other team had only 3.

But for a while the other team was winning!

I ran spirit ranger to buff my team, but they were never together in one place. They kept trying to take far point, which would of course be flipped immediately after they left. They would fight out in the middle of nowhere while the enemy had the points taken,

I stayed holding mid alone because the guardian was running around somewhere.

This is frustration.

At the lower levels noone wants to stand on a point. They usually run away to go do something. Even useless things.

Hotjoin mentality.

Hotjoin does NOT teach how to win conquest.

This isn’t just happening at low rankings, I’ve been in a lot of matches lately in the top 500 where the whole match is exactly like you just said.

I would love this so very very much.

Skroo.1560:

Y’all realize that almost everyone who busted kitten for the league is taking a break this week? I don’t care what server you play on; maybe stow the kitten for a couple days?

kthnxbai.

Dat 3x and 5x rank points in tPvP.

This makes my head hurt, it also makes me want to not spend a single penny in the gemstore ever again just out of principle.

Khayoss.2019:

BP and EBay say no more WP’s at home for you YB!

Yaks says no more WP’s on EBG!

Welp it’s nice to only have at most 40 people in a queued map(EBG).

Clearly this game is srs bsns.

billiamgrace.2804:

earendil.1290:

You are going to dump that ugly GF as soon as she’s not useful anymore.

Hopefully they’ll at least have the decency to give us a pint of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream first. Ugly GF wants to get her stress eat on.

One of our commanders gave it to me to give to you, but sorry I’ve already eaten it.

Xsorus.2507:

I don’t believe he’s the voice of Yak’s Bend, and I doubt most of your server supports it…Hence why I kept asking the guy from Acid what he was going to do about his guild mate cheating.

These guys seem to believe there is an excuse for it.

you obviously don’t support cheating to “even” things up..

Acid seems to be a complete troll guild.

Xsorus.2507:

So, cheating is fine as long as it benefits you… That’s what your argument keeps coming back to….someone cheated, You’re not even sure if it was SBI, so you supported intentional cheating against your opponent. Hell, the arguments you’re making me start wonder…You sent this player siege so waste our supply didn’t you… I’m getting that vibe from you, that’s why you support it so much.

Like normal you are acting like this person is the voice of Yaks Bend, he is not. I doubt most of our server thinks that it is okay with people getting a new account and griefing SBi after it happened to us. I hope the people who did it didn’t have anything to do with our main commanders, because if they did that would kitten me off tremendously.

The tears reach even to Yaks Bend LA

GabGar.4962:

Lets get something very clear YB won SBI, we didn’t need EB for beating the kitten out of SBI, but get EB into second to put SBI in third place in the season was an extra, adn to put SBI we received the help of EB of course.

So SBI cry more, you lost, better luck next time and learn how to fight in the open because you suck at it, you depend too much on blob zergs.

As a fellow Yaks Bender please disregard what this guy is saying. Without Ebay or another similar server being the 3rd in this matchup we would have gotten rolled like we have the last 3 times we have faced SBi. We just don’t have the coverage to face the zombie hoard 1v1, but it shows with help to take some attention away from us we can and will do a lot better.

Radioactive.1248:

Thanks for the bags. I couldn’t have been happier you 2v1’d us this match-up. The vast majority of players on YB and EBay are terrible at combat that doesn’t involve them behind walls and on siege. I bag farmed troves of your god awful scrubs all day in EBG and throughout the week on many maps. The fact that you won doesn’t bother me. Enjoy your dolyak finisher, I’ll enjoy your thousands of loot bags. This was the best match-up we had thus far in the leagues. I’ve never seen bad players with morale good enough to keep getting wiped like you can find on Ebay and YB, so for that I thank you. If you ever are matched up with us again, please 2v1. The lack of queues and fairweathers was refreshing, and your bags were dropping everywhere.

Keep it classy baddies,
Star

Leave your queue blob for a second and maybe you will get some combat that isn’t from behind walls and siege. I’ve seen all of like 10 groups that are away from the huge blob known as the zombie hoard in the last 4 times we have faced SBi.

Lina.9640:

So, really, SBI, what you’re feeling now is what your opponents in Silver League have felt every time they’ve fought against you (with the exceptions of YB and FA).

So…yeah. Welcome to our world. Hope it’s taught you a bit of empathy.

It feels like this for YB also unless we have a 3rd server to take a little bit of focus from us. SBi doesn’t understand how many people on YB stayed up much later than they would normally just to be able to compete with the coverage that SBi normally has. I think the major problem SBi had this week is that they didn’t wake up with a +600 tick and fully upgraded maps. I’ve been on well into early morning Pacific time the last 3 times we’ve faced SBi before this week and it is always 30-40 of us across all maps getting steamrolled by the karma train known as SBi. This time was different, there was actual coverage on to stop that from happening, and SBi’s late night coverage isn’t used to that i guess.

The SBi people posting in here don’t seem to understand how the 3 way fights in WvW work. If there is someone with much larger population and coverage(SBi) fighting a server with a little less of both(YB) and the 3rd server has little to no population and coverage(IoJ) the larger server can focus on the 2nd highest(while also devoting a tiny portion of their population towards taking the smallest servers stuff w/o resistance. While smallest server will also go after the 2nd highest server because it gives them less chance to get ran over by a karma train. Therefore it becomes a 2v1(1 1/2 v 1 is closer) against the 2nd place server.

In this matchup it’s different. The smallest server(Ebay) isn’t massively smaller than the 2nd largest(YB) so they can and do put up a fight against the biggest server which should split its forces. Instead SBi continues to run massive zerg so they can take anything on the map that isn’t fully upgraded and defended but they end up losing twice as much as normal while they are taking a single objective since both servers have the will and numbers to attack. Of course this match up is even more lopsided towards YB and Ebay because both sides have reasons to keep SBi from getting anything but 3rd place.

Yodaman.3274:

Wanted to thank all the participants in this matchup for making it one of the most entertaining of the entire season.

Also, planned or unplanned 2v1’s happen all the time (any FA players can remember the matches against CD/TC or BG/TC long time back) but overall if you find yourself on the side of one of those you have options:

Option #1: Whine and complain about how bad it is being hit from all sides. (not very helpful, makes you look weak, and overall bad for server morale. See example SBI in this thread)

Option #2: Praise the matchup for delivering you non stop fights and more loot bags than you could possibly have merchants for.

Option #3: Find a hardy objective that will undoubtly be a main target of the 2v1 and follow some guidelines posted by [HL] on FA and enjoy the lootbag service that the enemy alliance has given you.

and finally Option #4: Leave to PVE, or to the next bandwagon server so that you can feel superior again.

Main point being, no point is so much whining, do what you can, and if you have the right minded guilds on your server you will preserve regardless about how overwhelming the odds may be.

This. The people who stayed and are farming both us and Ebay at Lowlands atm should be praised IMO, compare that to Xsorus who instead of helping his server is on the forums the whole time complaining. Matches like these are the ones that show who is a fairweather or not, and by how many people stopped playing after the weekend SBi has a ton.

Xsorus.2507:

Rofl…

“There was no alliance, we just told one another we’d be focusing SBI wink wink”

Common sense would have told you we would be focusing SBi, and I KNOW there are people on Ebay with common sense. Even if a good portion of SBi are lacking it.

My guild had basically the same problem last night, except our 5th person actually had just enough to live through the first portion of agony, but he was almost instantly downed because the bosses start right off with their agony attacks(one of which puts up to 3 stacks of agony on someone). People will say l2dodge or whatever, but for once I have to say that there really is too much to dodge on this boss. You can jump over the Zerkers waves, but it becomes really hard to keep an eye on him when he blinks to another area when there are 40 fire rings on the ground.

Edit: Even with 55 AR I was getting autodowned if I missed a dodge on the Firestorms fire circles which at 32 is just stupid.

Yes

Treeline.3865:

To be fair you also get 4 chests, loot, fractal relics, some infusions probably, pristine relic and possibly a fractal skin or ascended weapon/ring.

And doing CoF p1 twice you get 6 chests, a little loot, and a few champ bags(ascended weapon chance)

LOL

I have a feeling it’s gonna be another set of content only usable by extra large guilds ~.~. First they give everyone T3 light human cultural armor, next they will try and push us all into 500 man guilds.

Nagato no Kami.4980:

I don’t know why Ebay and Yak are denying that, at least to some extent, there’s cooperation between them. My guess is that not everyone is in on it but for those of you who don’t know, it’s happening and it’s really, really obvious. There are actually fights where Ebay and Yak will catch a SBI zerg in a pincer, wipe them and then go off in seperate directions. It’s kinda weird to watch. XD

That being said, I don’t think this is unjustified. I remember when some of the people on our server took advantage of SoR trying to fix the score by allowing us to cap towers and keeps that they took out. Those that took part in this can hardly kitten about what’s going on right now, right?

What’s more, this week so far has really highlighted SBI’s major flaw: by and large, we tend to play like mindless pugs. Everyone likes bags, everyone likes to fight (and our guilds are excellent at it) but there’s more to scoring than that. Things like sieging, running supply, escorting yaks, scouting and sentry duty — you know, the things that the great servers do? — well, that’s somebody else’s problem. It’s killing us now just like it did in week one against FA. And it should. If you don’t want to do the dirty work, you don’t deserve to win.

Why do you guys from SBi not understand what’s happening? There was not secret meeting where you needed a secret handshake to even enter. What’s happening is that we are completely focusing SBi(since if we win this week it will almost 100% mean we get 2nd place in Silver) while Ebay is also hitting SBi because you are the server with the most coverage normally, so instead of sitting down and getting ran over like you are normally used to facing they are actually fighting back because Ebay has a lot of really good WvW players. Simple right?

sephiroth.4217:

Errrrr…….. I made a post and you replied with the QQ lol

My apologies if the concept of conversation on the internet eludes you unlike your server mate who was decent enough to explain some possibilities other than “You’re stupid cause we could have an arrowcart in your lords room tower that we are trying to get into” which in itself kinda explains a lot.

Thank you for this GIF, you have made my day.

I’ve seen this a few times the last few days, tbh I thought it was just lag until I noticed one doing exactly what you are describing. Honestly I didn’t even report because it feels like nothing ever gets done about it.

I’m doing this from now on. If anyone sticks up for this map it’s because you run the full bs build on either a necro or engi.

A possibility is okay, having AT LEAST 1 person on your team not know what to do 9 out of 10 games isn’t.

Edit: This is happening when in each of these games the other team has at least 1 person in the top 50 on the leaderboard.

The I want single target burst damage and stealth on par with thieves on all the other classes.

pedrst.3127:

This new MM is terrible… just saying. I keep getting new players into my queues its kittened. They have NO idea what to do, they try zerg… clearly new players all the while i’m fighting experienced players e v e r y s i n g l e match.

This, it’s also taking longer to get a match on off peak hours(this is probably because less players a playing though…).

frvwfrtwo.6109:

YB took NSP keep, IoJ took YB keep, NSP lost everything. Good bags from NSP spawn though

Congrats? on spawncamping a server that clearly didn’t have queue numbers with 99% of our EBG queue while we lost everything.

rhapsody.3615:

While we are on the rewards subject: why are there no rewards for escorting dolyaks? I spent over two hours escorting the yaks to bay and garrison, and all we get is an event medal. Why can’t we add a small amount of karma (even 10-15 is better than nothing) or reward 1-3 badges per yak? It is a [sometimes] necessary yet unrewarding task.

Because at the beginning of the game that was highly exploited so they had to get rid of the rewards for it.

I’m honestly speechless from this post. I was going to put some sarcastic comment, but my brain actually hurts to much after reading this to figure one out.

Edit: This should be stickied on the PvP forums as the reason PvPers hate PvErs…

chemiclord.3978:

The idea that there is a consumer base willing to drop $80-100 on a product because they think the previous product sucked…

… kitten it. Brain broke.

I think it’s more that the consumers(Me included) would pay that much for an expansion to get rid of the LS approach because we feel that sucks(my opinion don’t freak out). I myself love most parts of the game including combat, WvW, dungeons, cosmetic progression, but I also feel that because of the lack of time given for each LS update most of those things have been thrown out the window for quick and easy content that will make people log in once a day and go straight to the gemstore.

I love the PvP forums now…sry way off topic lol

Probably this if you duo queue now it takes like 20-30 mins to get a match

I really like the idea of showing Leaderboard rank instead of sPvP “rank” in the tourney matches. Not only will it give players an easy way to see if the matchups were actually even, it will also give a nice way to show off the leaderboard rank you have.

It’s also really awesome to see Justin and Josh responding to the ideas that the community has. This portion of the forums has a much better “feel” to it than the other sections of the forums, or even this section just a couple months ago. It’s awesome.

I’ve been running an Axe/Shield, Hammer war with most of the Hambow traits and it seems pretty op tbh. There’s only 3 builds that are tough to face and that’s the dodge forever engi, full condi necro, and sometimes the actual hambow build. Other than those 3 unless the other person is MUCH better than me I don’t seem to have any trouble curbstomping them.

Edit: The only problem is in every game I play there is at least 4 of those builds being run. It’s kinda funny about people whining about all warrior soloq’s, but I’m in more all necro/engi games than all warrior games.

I faced one of these eles with my war earlier, hit my stability and hammer bashed him and he was dead before he blinked. Sorry there are builds out there that are direct counters to the “OP builds” that are played, but ele doesn’t have one of them.

Vayne.8563:

You know, in the five years I played Guild Wars 1, I think I heard the term trash mob maybe once.

When any mob can drop a precusor, no mob is actually a trash mob, and therefore no mob is actually trivial. That’s also part of why downleveling exists.

It just feels too much like an exploit in too many places. All you’d need is a knockback and you’d be set. Mobs that surround places like vistas or jumping puzzles would suddenly be meaningless.

People who come from other games see mobs and trash mobs. I see foes and foes. None of them are trivial to me…and I’m pretty sure Anet didn’t design these mobs as “trash”.

Thats because everything but the named bosses were trash mobs in GW1, everyone with a brain understood this and it’s why most mobs were skipped unless you cleared a dungeon/zone/uw/fow. God the more I see you post, the more I hope you are a troll. If not you are clearly delusional.

Edit: Even most named bosses were trash mobs, except for getting an elite skill/green wep you wanted…

Clearly all the people who feel angry about the way the game is headed have all been banned because of the new forum rules. I guess the forums are finally going to get to that point where they want them, with no one being critical about the game…

Edit: Also incoming infraction/ban

I agree a bit with Fello, to an extent. There is always going to be jerks in a PvP environment, but there is a few issues that is making it even worse in this game. The main one also happened to GW1. This is basically that the PvP in this game has become stagnant with no new game modes, very few new players, and what amounts to an unobtainable goal for 99.9999% of the pvp population. All this stagnation leads to a stagnant population, that over time becomes frustrated and you see this in their attacks on other players during games. This is all my opinion of course, but I also watched it happen in GW1.

They are fixing the matchmaking, but leaving this POS in the game. GG anet, soloq is still gonna be a joke.