Guild Wars 2

I always thought the metagame meant more like metadata (which is data about the data). In the same way the metagame is data about how the game is played.

Talking about the metagame in Guild Wars 1 was talking about what builds were currently played. It was interesting because it changed and evolved as came but also because people would develop builds to counter the current metagame.

I wouldn’t say it’s the same thing as what’s efficient (there’s no guarantee what’s in style is efficient – though it could be the most efficient). Without knowing anything about big guild tactics, I won’t comment on that but on the smaller scale the meta has definitely changed. Perplexity runes, the rise of warriors, push for more mobility, that’s stuff that wasn’t there months ago.

I think people use the term “metabuild” as a sort of insult in that you’re accusing someone of running the flavour of the month build rather than somethin they developed themselves relying on their smarts and experience but I’m not smart and my preference is to run builds that are proven to work so that I can worry about other aspects of my play (my Guild Wars GvG days exposed me to a lot of talented build makers and I just know my limits, haha).

Sarsbear.3469:

Glaeser.8015:

If the rumors are true I’ve lost a whole heap of respect for those responsible. I’m out there to fight, who the hell cares about some crappy rewards for winning a league? It always seemed to me like NSP was in it for the battles not the meaningless numbers, which is part of the reason I’ve stuck with and enjoyed this server through thick and thin.

I really hope this isn’t the way things are going to turn out.

I never had respect for them. Or anyone. This is a video game and you’re all nerds.

Lord Kuru.3685:

No one is tanking for the extra blue (which is almost certainly all it will be) and easy fights. People are tanking because they want fights period. Karma training and being karma trained is what we’ll see in Silver league — it’ll mostly be PvD and that’s really boring for people who play for towers and camps (ironically the way Anet intends for us to play).

Those who take the week off, I sympathize with. But those harassing people who don’t wish to take the week off — that’s disgraceful.

Anyway, if you tag up Obs, I’m with you.

It’s easy to stop karma trains by standing in their way.

Sarsbear kinda mean! I had no idea!

gladiator.5367:

styx.7294:

It’s been my experience if anyone stops playing to win, the server suffers.

That plays more to my point than you think….

My point was we’ll see how many less guilds you’ll have.

We lost 1 as soon as we let Eredon Terrace hold a keep for an hour.

gladiator.5367:

Antara.3189:

Just a reminder that you’re talking to GoM and AR here. We get beat down constantly but those of us who want to see our server stronger, have stayed and continue to fight. Saying you want to use Bronze to work on your server issues is still wrong if it’s done purposely.

If your server plays to it’s full potention and the commanders play smart and hard as much as they can and place is silver; then that’s where the server should be, regardless of the outcome in silver.

I understand there NSP, Kaineng are in the split between placing in two different leagues, but it should be irrelevant.

I understand your fear of losing people if placed in silver though. If you look past that, you will see the people that you lost, are the ones who are selfish and only look to a server that always wins, which isn’t a team player.

I realize I am talking in the AR/GoM thread, and in all honesty, we don’t want to fight GoM and AR. This matchup is fun for noone at the moment. And it won’t be fun in bronze. GoM and AR aren’t the only servers in bronze though. Servers like HoD, FC, DH, and SF are servers that we want to fight.

There is a VERY BIG difference between coverage though when you move from NSP to IoJ. NSP can’t compete with IoJ, who would be the one server we would have to face simply due to the amount of coverage there. I get that there is also a huge change in coverage for GoM and AR compared to NSP, but not so much when you compare yourselves to DR and ET.

In a perfect world, NSP, HoD, DH, Kain, FC, and SF would be in their own league, but that’s not the designed league given to us. I understand AR and GoM hate fighting NSP, and it’s not fair to AR and GoM. But you have servers in bronze you can at least fight against and potentially compete with. NSP will have none of that in silver. The change between 16th/15th and 14th in coverage is just astronomical. Even when we do play to our full potential, we consistently lose by a lot to IoJ, and IoJ is gaining guilds. NSP is not.

NSP is in the rare situation that we can choose the league we play in, and the health of the server is the main basis for why people are wanting to play in bronze first. That’s the only reason.

It’s been my experience if anyone stops playing to win, the server suffers.

Just now with like 5 people on the map, someone was lecturin me how I wasn’t tryin hard enough to hold the keeps (I’m a lil’ more cavalier when I play before work). When you’re with someone on the server, they wanna know you got their back and are supportin them.

Bleh, any server that’s tryin to lose their match just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It’s gonna be weird fightin Northern Shiverpeaks, Henge of Denravi, and Kaineng? and being like “These are people that are just afraid. They’re here ‘cause they’re winning but if you challenge them, they go hide”.

Tier 1 guys can keep zergin the thread but when you say the highest ranked servers are the best servers, no one believes you.

Omne.4603:

Can we also look forward to a T8 faq? I have some vacation time coming up and I heard its nice there this time of year.

A very skeptical me would say ArenaNet feels there aren’t enough players in T8 to warrant a faq. Most people’s problem in the games are too many zergs, skill lag, queues and so ArenaNet should worry about those. Transfers are just a way to convert other problems into those problems, after all.

TheJokester.4672:

ok so something changed in the 1 week I was away? last I saw of the season it was split into 2 leagues not 3. what happened I apparently need filling.

Change was announced September 27th.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-vs-world-season-1-begins-october-18/

grave of hearts.7830:

At least he got 2 legendaries to brag about,myself that been on wvw since launch still cant gather enough t6 mats to even make the gift.

Me too.

K U T M.4539:

So basically those of us who enjoy server hopping should just not be allowed to spend gems

Hmmmmmmm…

Yes?

Dovgan.8605:

styx.7294:

Meh, Northern Shiverpeaks is a grown up server. They can make their own decisions.

Now throwing my opinion into it because I like hearing my own voice. I wouldn’t have tanked. People like playing to win, no matter what’s going on. If you’re letting them down on purpose, that kinda makes people angry. But it’s not like Os just took the week off, they’re actively sabotaging others which makes people super angry. I honestly feel like it’s shootin the server in the foot, which is a shame. I get Northern Shiverpeaks can make a case why they don’t belong in silver league but someone has to go in silver league and I’d guess better them than Kaineng.

Gate of Madness won 13 out of 14 matches in a row at some point and that stirred up more drama than I think losing 13 out of 14 matches might have, heh.

Honestly I think that a major WvW guild actively doing what it can to ensure they wont have difficult competition for the next two months speaks volumes about that guild, not the server of course. But thank you for showing not only your server but the GW2 community at large your true colors. By the way, do you guys use yellow in your guild emblem? You may want to consider it…

To be fair, I have a lot of respect for Os. The server is lucky to have a number of quality guilds that have kept it goin for a while without havin a 2nd mass exodus like some of our other servers.

Meh, Northern Shiverpeaks is a grown up server. They can make their own decisions.

Now throwing my opinion into it because I like hearing my own voice. I wouldn’t have tanked. People like playing to win, no matter what’s going on. If you’re letting them down on purpose, that kinda makes people angry. But it’s not like Os just took the week off, they’re actively sabotaging others which makes people super angry. I honestly feel like it’s shootin the server in the foot, which is a shame. I get Northern Shiverpeaks can make a case why they don’t belong in silver league but someone has to go in silver league and I’d guess better them than Kaineng.

Gate of Madness won 13 out of 14 matches in a row at some point and that stirred up more drama than I think losing 13 out of 14 matches might have, heh.

It’s a lil’ weird to see Os complainin how there are no guilds that come out and face them in this match up (and most servers in the bronze tier too, I imagine) but apparently that’s what they like so much?

geist.3980:

1 silver chest is better loot than 3 bronze chests, why anyone would even consider tanking their server to get more of something worse is beyond rationality. S[kitten]t rolls down hill, not up. our guild is playing the same as it always has this week, we might lose against the bigger servers, in silver over the next few weeks, but we will do it with honor and have fun playing with our friends. cause that’s all that matters to ZoS, playing friends and killing the rest of you.

Silver chest is better loot than bronze chest? That can’t be true. I refuse to believe ArenaNet has their head that far up their kitten .

moutzaheadin.4029:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

moutzaheadin.4029:

Dovgan.8605:

Why is an NSP commander on AR asking us to hit NSP? I call a truce on all NSP targets, and ask we let them hold SMC for the remainder of the week. Lets make this AR vs GoM and let NSP soar in ratings.

Say no to NSP tanking.

Who was this Nsp commander ?? I don’t know about the rest of Nsp , but our guild has been pushing the peddle to the meddle on the pvdoor scene. Sure there are some defenders. But we easily crush them. So it might as well be full pvdoor.

You want to look at tanking.. look at kain.. that’s TANKING.

one more thing. If you play that stupid game of staying away from Nsp to help push us up a tier. Then Nsp might truly go pve for the week , since both of the servers we are facing are pretty much dead already. Its been an absolute snoorefest this week. 7 weeks of this and I might just try my first fotm dungeon.

Sweet jesus… I just realized that XOXO is working harder for PPT than any other guild in this entire matchup. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD?

Each of the last 2 days we have spearheaded Nsp to 500 ppt totals. We are getting good at this stuffz.

Kaineng is 15th again! Geez, this is like a roller coaster.

As I understand it, fireworks beat dagger thieves.

grifflyman.8102:

To all the people calling SBI a band wagon server, you sound like you’re having a rough day…

People coming to SBI took a risk on a rank 12 server, and it paid off.

It’s not risk if you came from a lower ranked server. It’s goin to somewhere easier, more stable, more populated (I don’t blame them, for example, RISE had a hard time with what the off hours are like in the lower tiers).

munkiman.3068:

Since the 3 weeks after opening northernshiverpeaks.org and giving away basically butt-ton of tools and services that have been in development for months, i’ve pretty much concluded that NSP (minus 2 big WvW guilds) is really just a casual PvE server. It’s lost a great deal since release, getting people even remotely organized even for a teq kill is like pulling teeth, let alone getting people playing in any organized manner in WvW (again minus 2 big guilds and a handful of smaller ones). There are a bunch of smaller guilds that continually get left out in the cold, and not even by their own accord, of any organized play, even when people here are willing to basically do a big chunk of the work for them. I might play more in WvW if it wasn’t such an Ego-fest.

It doesn’t even matter if Devon say’s he’s playing on NSP, what’s one dev going to do with a bunch that, for the most part, could care less about WvW. No stab against the players on NSP, it is what it is. We even have a tool that would be extremely valuable to WvW players that no other server has at the moment. I feel pretty disenfranchised at the state of NSP right now and i don’t even play WvW enough to know. Just the fact that we are matched up with the lowest ranking servers and aren’t ROFL-stomping them kinda shows (at least to an outsider) that NSP is a hot mess.

Buildin a community is hard and it’s especially kitten the lower ranks. People who left less organized servers for more organized servers were usually the ones looking for more structure. This is a big reason why people transfer off. If it was easy, it would have already been done. Joining an established community full of people is easy, building and networking guilds is hard and requires a great deal of tenacity.

It’s very much a long process, definitely longer than 3 weeks. I give huge props to IoM for bringing down a guild to Eredon Terrace and sticking with them and training with them for many, many weeks now.

I’ve been involved with establishing a community/alliance since January on my server. That’s 10 months of weekly meetings, brain storming, website building (we’re buildin a brand new fancy site to replace our old forum, check it out! ), talking through drama, transfers in and out, bouncing between tiers. Things aren’t going to magically get good, lots of people get burned out, new ones show up, and well, at the end of the day all you can do is make a home you love. Your server isn’t perfect but no one’s is and a lot of things are largely out of your control (like a game that increasingly rewards for people for transferrin up tiers).

Why would you be rofl-stomping us? Gate of Madness used to be much bigger than Northern Shiverpeaks and a bunch of transfers didn’t send us to oblivion. Maybe it offends you to face off against someone so poorly ranked? I wouldn’t describe my server as a hot mess. I think we’re doin as well as we can with limited resources.

moutzaheadin.4029:

styx.7294:

AKLbow.2463:

Dear [RH],

I guess you’ve figured out you aren’t the cream of the crop on GoM by now, but I figured I’d reiterate it. L2p. Being able to throw siege on someone dead doesn’t mean you’re good.

But, I give you an A for effort for throwing siege after it takes 15 of you to wipe 5 people. Best of luck in your future endeavors. And just remember, I have more siege than you for every time I see you guys dead.

Interesting post. Some immediate thoughts:

-Above anything, I want to hear about how we have 15 RH again. I love fairy tales.
-You’re free to throw siege on me. Go ahead, throw all of it.
-While I like my guildies, hm, the fights speak for themselves and I’m not gonna waste time talking about quality of players here. If we’re not as awesome as you well, we’re not as awesome as you. Maybe one day I will impress XOXO

For every day you stand on that sinking ship of a server I am impressed. It is just a ghost town there. No idea how you do it.

That’s a bit melodramatic!

It’s a weird thing since we got smaller. Since just about everyone has more numbers, GoM borderland and EB always have fights.

Haven’t been on since Friday ‘cause I’m away visitin family for Thanksgivin but itchin to get back to it Tuesday.

Natar.3671:

Produs.6401:

Natar.3671:

So I noticed some GoM laughing when they wiped the 10 man Os group with 50 GoM. I guess they had an achievement unlocked from killing us. Was funny having 50 ppl chase us halfway across EB just to try to kill us

Vice versa in GoM BL & NSP Bl; I honestly thought i’d be getting more out of this matchup from NSP.

Personally, I only do laughs when someone from the other side does it first but anyway what I mean is that GoM seems to really want Os dead, not NSP in general. Plus whenever our zergs seem to have equal/close to equal numbers, GoM seems to run away and never engage Os at all which makes it boring for us

Maybe you can find guilds your own size to fight in silver league.

AKLbow.2463:

Dear [RH],

I guess you’ve figured out you aren’t the cream of the crop on GoM by now, but I figured I’d reiterate it. L2p. Being able to throw siege on someone dead doesn’t mean you’re good.

But, I give you an A for effort for throwing siege after it takes 15 of you to wipe 5 people. Best of luck in your future endeavors. And just remember, I have more siege than you for every time I see you guys dead.

Interesting post. Some immediate thoughts:

-Above anything, I want to hear about how we have 15 RH again. I love fairy tales.
-You’re free to throw siege on me. Go ahead, throw all of it.
-While I like my guildies, hm, the fights speak for themselves and I’m not gonna waste time talking about quality of players here. If we’re not as awesome as you well, we’re not as awesome as you. Maybe one day I will impress XOXO

Devon.9061:

“Random” match ups

Sometimes random means different than what you think they should be =P

If Devon wanted to be on a silver league server, he coulda just picked a silver league server. He didn’t need to pick a bronze league server and then spend four weeks transferring people off Kaineng so they could crash in points.

Again, your best scenario for gettin Kaineng and Northern Shiverpeaks from not switching ranks involves closing them from 40 point gap to 4 point gap on Saturday. Northern Shiverpeaks is a sneeze away from rank 15 and there’s still the rest of the week to go. Heck, Henge of Denravi can spend the entire time beating on Kaineng and maybe skip over Northern Shiverpeaks and Kaineng.

It’s gonna have to depend on the weekday performance to see how the score differences are gonna evolve because that’s what counts for point losses/gains.

Edit: Just for fun I’ll predict Kaineng does not stay 15th. I think it’s more likely Northern Shiverpeaks gets to 15 rather than Henge of Denravi but I also think it’s more likely they’ll both beat Kaineng rather than Kaineng staying 15th.

Edit2: Did anyone think the rankings would be accurate by this week when they’ve never been accurate?

moutzaheadin.4029:

styx.7294:

moutzaheadin.4029:

I posted this in the eBay/hod/kain match up thread. I think it applies here aswell

Normally I don’t care about other match threads, but this one interests me for obvious reasons.
Something tells me this match up and the one we have Nsp/gom/ar arent very random.
Seems like it was a measure to try and avoid kain into tanking out of silver. For extra measure hod is also in the mix. So if either one even lift a finger for a good week.. its hello silver league.
Nsp on the other hand got a match where we have to actually push past the low rankings of the other server. While the other 2 kain/hod tank.
I guess my point is. This doesn’t look very random to me.
Lastly and I speak for myself/guild here. I want silver league.. I want the better constant fights. Keep your lolfinisher and blues in the reward chests. I don’t care about any of that trash. Its the fun fights that keep me playing. In bronze.. it will be a bore.

Kinda heavy on the conspiracy there, Obs =P

Ok , so you think this is just rng being rng.. ? Look at it closely. This is the perfect storm to stop Nsp from going into silver. I’m not saying that Nsp wants silver either, I’m sure most don’t. But I do.

I’m pretty sure the perfect storm wouldn’t have put Kaineng and Henge of Denravi together.

Also, somehow the perfect storm is closing the gap between Northern Shiverpeaks and Kaineng?

moutzaheadin.4029:

I posted this in the eBay/hod/kain match up thread. I think it applies here aswell

Normally I don’t care about other match threads, but this one interests me for obvious reasons.
Something tells me this match up and the one we have Nsp/gom/ar arent very random.
Seems like it was a measure to try and avoid kain into tanking out of silver. For extra measure hod is also in the mix. So if either one even lift a finger for a good week.. its hello silver league.
Nsp on the other hand got a match where we have to actually push past the low rankings of the other server. While the other 2 kain/hod tank.
I guess my point is. This doesn’t look very random to me.
Lastly and I speak for myself/guild here. I want silver league.. I want the better constant fights. Keep your lolfinisher and blues in the reward chests. I don’t care about any of that trash. Its the fun fights that keep me playing. In bronze.. it will be a bore.

Kinda heavy on the conspiracy there, Obs =P

Meh, there’s 6 servers involved with fights that have Henge of Denravi, Northern Shiverpeaks, and Kaineng. Any one of those servers could choose to tank to boost someone.

At least on my server we don’t care who ends up where =P I’d guess of the three, Northern Shiverpeaks is maybe the strongest but the match up against them isn’t totally bad. We can’t stop Os but hey, we never could, haha.

andomon.8314:

styx.7294:

Give incentives for people to move down tiers and spread the population out.

Just so I am clear do you mean allow players to transfer with a bonus? If so I agree with you but only after the tournament has ended.

It’s blunt but I’d be okay with that. People in higher tiers get more kills so they end up richer anyway (more ranks, more chests with ranks, more loot bags, more achievement points, etc).

Give incentives for people to move down tiers and spread the population out.

Oozo.7856:

styx.7294:

Oozo.7856:

moutzaheadin.4029:

Being non bias and looking at both EBay and Yaks. You are both equally horrible open fieldwise. Watching you both saying the other is bad. Is like watching a boxing match with a blind guy vers a guy with no arms.

That is all.

Ty

NSP – Best Warbanner Rezzers NA

Not gonna lie, I like Oozo’s videos. It’s kinda creepy how he has them for just about every situation. It’s like.. Oozo’s always watching….

Warbanners are awesome (just another reason to stack warriors, I guess!)

It’s actually quite effective. Nothing but guardians, warriors, and stealth (mesmers and thieves). Guardians and warriors bring high uptime on stability to get the banner off and mesmers and thieves provide stealth for the downed to buy time to get the banner off.

War banners are huge in those 15v15 GVGs. Haven’t seen roaming groups totally built around using war banner until NSP.

We’ve been pushin war banner use for some weeks in the guild (actually I remember banners in general catchin my eye in the one Sars + condi bow warrior roamin video a while back) though we didn’t have many warriors until recently (like 2 days ago I had a group of 5 and it was 1 staff ele, 3 warriors, and my guardian and it was super effective). I dunno what it is but the few times we get like 3+ warriors, suddenly it feels like we’re doin much better.

We’ve also played a lotta borderland defense though and bannering keep lords while people are arrivin on the map is kinda big game.

Edit: We’re not very good at using stealth in the guild though ‘cause our thieves all suffer from some kinda weird quirk. Taquito refuses to stealth or be stealthed, Leet won’t join any group over 5, and Ejecta only communicates by interpretive dance.

Oozo.7856:

moutzaheadin.4029:

Being non bias and looking at both EBay and Yaks. You are both equally horrible open fieldwise. Watching you both saying the other is bad. Is like watching a boxing match with a blind guy vers a guy with no arms.

That is all.

Ty

NSP – Best Warbanner Rezzers NA

Not gonna lie, I like Oozo’s videos. It’s kinda creepy how he has them for just about every situation. It’s like.. Oozo’s always watching….

Warbanners are awesome (just another reason to stack warriors, I guess!)

Andrew Clear.1750:

Don’t forget about the free transfers and discounted transfers Anet is offering to people before the season starts…. lol

This is gonna get really messy.

What North American server has been medium? I haven’t been able to spot one yet.

Yaro.3251:

styx.7294:

Yaro.3251:

This dream of yours is called USSR. At least first part of it.

Nah, it was called Guild Wars 1 GvG and it was great.

“I’t” was never called GW1 GvG as the scale makes all the difference. It won’t work at the scale WvW is operating.

Not sure how but alright.

moutzaheadin.4029:

Being non bias and looking at both EBay and Yaks. You are both equally horrible open fieldwise. Watching you both saying the other is bad. Is like watching a boxing match with a blind guy vers a guy with no arms.

That is all.

Ty

XOXO still unimpressed.

Yaro.3251:

This dream of yours is called USSR. At least first part of it.

Nah, it was called Guild Wars 1 GvG and it was great.

Honestly, that’s what I took from my two years of Guild Wars GvG. There was 0 progression, nothing gained from any fight (even Balthazar faction had 0 use after you unlocked skills) ‘cept the fight itself. And that’s enough.

People come around telling you that you need progression but you don’t. It’s like when I was shooting hoops with friends in high school at lunch hour. It’s the blast of being there with your friends doin somethin fun, not having to work. That’s what I want from my MMO.

All I know about this is Melody is cool bean.

Juan Ignacio.8903:

this video is really really kittening sad, if they got nothing to prove why they keep saying the stuff that they do.
there is a chick that has bigger teeth than her forehead and she says “im a geek” yeah becouse we needed a sign to know that.

Probably because you stopped to comment on their appearance, which you probably wouldn’t have done if it was a bunch of guys (of course, guys wouldn’t need to make that sort of video because they don’t experience the same sexism).

A lotta people still treat gaming as if it’s a boys’ club.

Not sure why this thread is here. Nevermind whether any tribute from me means anything, what’s this have to do with WvW?

aspirine.6852:

styx.7294:

K U T M.4539:

Everyone should just reroll a warrior and call it a day.

Just ‘cause they have the highest hit points, highest damage, highest mobility, highest armour, and best resistances to CC doesn’t mean their support is very good. We’ll fix their support in the next patch.

This is post is just for jokes.. but might have an inkling of truth to it.

Well seeing as they are making some shouts better for the warrior you might now be far from it =)

Yes, that is what I alluded to =)

Svarty.8019:

ColinJohanson.2394:

Our goal is to have less currencies in the game, not more

Why? More currencies means we can focus more on what we want without impacting other markets.

It’s more confusing with more currencies.

Right now when you kill someone you get
1. badges – for gear, siege
2. gold – for repairs, gear, siege, consumables
3. WXP – for ranking yourself up
4. achievement daily track towards Laurels – for gear, siege, random junk
5. crafting materials – for gear, consumables
6. skill points – for mystic forge, which includes making gear and superior siege

When you take an objective you get
1. karma – for gear, random junk, crafting materials for consumables
2. gold – for repairs, gear, siege
3. WXP – for ranking yourself up
4. achievement track towards Laurels – for gear, siege, random junk
5. skill points – for mystic forge, which includes making gear and superior siege

Like I’m not sure what isn’t covered.

K U T M.4539:

Everyone should just reroll a warrior and call it a day.

Just ‘cause they have the highest hit points, highest damage, highest mobility, highest armour, and best resistances to CC doesn’t mean their support is very good. We’ll fix their support in the next patch.

This is post is just for jokes.. but might have an inkling of truth to it.

Karolis.4261:

styx.7294:

Karolis.4261:

Log off timer would be a great feature, but we will never have it. Why ? Because WoW and games build similar to WoW has it and Anet tries to go as far away from WoW as they can, which in most cases is a mistake.

Explains why we don’t have a character selection screen.

Log out timer was annoying.

Logout timer stop kitten s from alt+f4 spamming.

Is true. I’m willin to put up with alt+F4 over not having a log out timer. Just the vote I’ll cast.

It’s 2 conveniences in my life versus a very questionable impact on the score.

pejot.4806:

styx.7294:

I like the siege blueprints as they are. You can send/receive them to people who need ‘em/people who don’t want them.

As the person, who drops quite a bit of siege, I agree. Although siege prices at TP are too low if you ask me.

I kinda wish they were lower, haha. I drop a fair bit myself and as a recent commander + ascended weapon has left me short on funds.

I mean though that’s a supply/demand thing. If we were to cut into their supply, maybe remove them from jump puzzles? I imagine a lot of unwanted siege shows up that way.

Karolis.4261:

Log off timer would be a great feature, but we will never have it. Why ? Because WoW and games build similar to WoW has it and Anet tries to go as far away from WoW as they can, which in most cases is a mistake.

Explains why we don’t have a character selection screen.

Log out timer was annoying.

bob.8632:

styx.7294:

bob.8632:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

you realize you are wanting revenge on people that bandwagoned off back in april for rolling you over back in, like, january by hoping we stay in silver league after losing enough people over the last month to only be adequate for upper-mid bronze league at best? you realize this right? that tanking is not a purposeful thing that is happening on kaineng?

Not really directed at you personally, just a generalized statement…Most people are not going to feel any sympathy for Kain because they were one of the first bandwagon servers, that by design or accident created all kinds of issues with the old scoring system. They kitten ed a lot of people off along the way, and it is just the way things work that many have sat back and awaited the “fall”.

Now they see you falling and whether you are tanking or settling no one really cares, because of your history, so the thought automatically is that you are trying to manipulate the system even further.

The dilemma you or people like you have is even if you didn’t agree or want the bandwagon transfers: you still “reaped the benefits”, it is true that the people that came and left are the real issue here, but no one is really going to see it that way.

Some of that is ridiculous I know, but does not make it any less true on what people think/believe

I don’t know anyone who sees things that way.

There are very few servers that didn’t have big transfers (whether coming in or leaving) over the last 14 months.

Ahh well I don’t know you, so surely you do not exist…. :P

There are a lot of servers that never got big transfers in but did have big losses.

The point is that many people don’t like bandwagon servers (whether the ‘label’ is justified or not), the same thing will happen when the wheels fully fall off of Dragonwagon.

Well, I’m sure people like that exist but what “the people” think should be pretty easy to find.

Maybe people’ll come to Kaineng and Dragonbrand again. Maybe ArenaNet will mess with the transfer costs again. Who knows? Probably the ultimate revolving door is tier 1. Sometimes it seems like they just trade guilds like Pokemon cards.

Luthan.5236:

What they could do: Remove badges from AP chests. Make siege blueprints account bound.

And add: Upgrades for badges + karma so you would not have to waste your gold. Would especially help weaker servers where there are not that much PvE farmers financing the upgrades.

I like the siege blueprints as they are. You can send/receive them to people who need ‘em/people who don’t want them.

bob.8632:

styx.7294:

bob.8632:

Thank you for all giving us trolls more ideas/ammo (those of us that were not already doing it), this has been suggested already in the past.

The overwhelming consensus that I remember being discussed back then was essentially if someone wants to drop the game and re-log/re-enter/or re-queue to deny a stomp then good on them…

Most people are never going to start doing this on a consistent basis, and more importantly people have been doing it long before bloodlust.

People did it to deny you loot bags but stopped after disconnect in combat counted as a kill and gave a loot bag.

They only just started doin this again to deny you points.

People never stopped doing it…Don’t act like they did sir.

Ragequitters and trolls have been around since there were games to ragequit and troll in…..

Like I said before: MOST people are not going to go through the trouble of doing all of that for the deny…Will some? Sure they will, will it destroy your soul? NOPE.

Fair enough, just personally I don’t remember seeing it for months.

bob.8632:

styx.7294:

PvE don’t need to transfer ever so let’s not even worry about that.

If we think the problem is that there should be more people transferring off the high WvW population servers to low population servers, let’s just do the direct and simple thing:

Close transfers except to a rotating list of select few low ranked servers.

I wouldn’t agree with that because I know a lot of people that play on higher tiers because they want to be able to play with WvW-minded people, and/or actually have people online to play with in WvW during certain times of day. (Something that higher tiers tend to provide)

Some others enjoy WvW just as much but like the lower pops because of the roaming, and avoiding queues, skill lag, etc.

IMO the biggest problems with transfers right now, assuming we are speaking with leagues in mind, is that ANET should have locked in the matches when they made the announcement that the start date would be extended.

All they did by not locking them in is allowed people to move around to the extent that the ratings will mean a lot less, and in fact might even give ANET an excuse to claim that leagues are viable because of the “upsets” that might occur.

If the situation stayed the way it is, I’d be okay with it but the population inequality is growing. Small servers are getting smaller. The game’s incentives are to play on higher population servers. ET and FC aren’t tier 8 because they got bigger but because other servers are getting smaller.

I’m of the opinion the lower ranks could use more people and the upper ranks could use less people and I support policies that go to that end. Just a bell I wanna ring on the forum.

Andrew Clear.1750:

styx.7294:

PvE don’t need to transfer ever so let’s not even worry about that.

If we think the problem is that there should be more people transferring off the high WvW population servers to low population servers, let’s just do the direct and simple thing:

Close transfers except to a rotating list of select few low ranked servers.

If a pve person doesn’t participate in wvw, and they are tired of hitting the server selection button everyday and selecting the server that they like to play on, then that person will be compelled to transfer.

Dungeons and fractals are instanced. Temples and world bosses are hardly ever on the same server you’re on. There are lots of PvE guilds on low ranked WvW servers you and your friends can join and would have transfers available to.

WvW guilds in the low tiers right now are compelled to transfer because activity outside prime time and outside Eternal Battleground is drying up, which exasperates the problem and is snowballing more guilds to leave.

It’s still fun and I appreciate the scale of the fights but it’s 14 months of more people leaving low tiers than coming in. It’s gonna dry up if nothing changes. WvW is dying on the lower tiers and if Blackgate PvE guilds can’t recruit from tier 8 they can blame the WvW Blackgate guild that sat in Gate of Madness Lion’s Arch kitten talking our server telling us to transfer.

bob.8632:

Thank you for all giving us trolls more ideas/ammo (those of us that were not already doing it), this has been suggested already in the past.

The overwhelming consensus that I remember being discussed back then was essentially if someone wants to drop the game and re-log/re-enter/or re-queue to deny a stomp then good on them…

Most people are never going to start doing this on a consistent basis, and more importantly people have been doing it long before bloodlust.

People did it to deny you loot bags but stopped after disconnect in combat counted as a kill and gave a loot bag.

They only just started doin this again to deny you points.

Gold?

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PvE don’t need to transfer ever so let’s not even worry about that.

If we think the problem is that there should be more people transferring off the high WvW population servers to low population servers, let’s just do the direct and simple thing:

Close transfers except to a rotating list of select few low ranked servers.

bob.8632:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

you realize you are wanting revenge on people that bandwagoned off back in april for rolling you over back in, like, january by hoping we stay in silver league after losing enough people over the last month to only be adequate for upper-mid bronze league at best? you realize this right? that tanking is not a purposeful thing that is happening on kaineng?

Not really directed at you personally, just a generalized statement…Most people are not going to feel any sympathy for Kain because they were one of the first bandwagon servers, that by design or accident created all kinds of issues with the old scoring system. They kitten ed a lot of people off along the way, and it is just the way things work that many have sat back and awaited the “fall”.

Now they see you falling and whether you are tanking or settling no one really cares, because of your history, so the thought automatically is that you are trying to manipulate the system even further.

The dilemma you or people like you have is even if you didn’t agree or want the bandwagon transfers: you still “reaped the benefits”, it is true that the people that came and left are the real issue here, but no one is really going to see it that way.

Some of that is ridiculous I know, but does not make it any less true on what people think/believe

I don’t know anyone who sees things that way.

There are very few servers that didn’t have big transfers (whether coming in or leaving) over the last 14 months.