Guild Wars 2

Vol.5241:

styx.7294:

The banners would be cool. Heck, if you could skin the warrior banners with guild emblems, how neat would that be?

That would be nice, but the items would be exclusive to warriors and I dont think that would do well.

Instead, Anet should introduce a new consumable for banners, which provide minor aoe buff as long as it is equipped – let’s say, +10 to all stats. These banners are huge and have generic designs that can be used by everyone. However, exclusive colors and the ability to embed guild sigils would be available through the gem store.

Well, anyone can carry the warrior banners.

But I like the idea of consumables for banners. Maybe just make them with the guild influence like other guild banners. They could give the warrior banner skills (like the charge and speed boost) and instead of stats I think if they gave somethin like the outmanned buff it’d be enough.

You’d be like “We are gonna farm the crap out of you and we brought the magic find for it”

Hell, who wouldn’t carry that? You’d have 2 guild groups meet in the open field and plant their flags before they fight. How bad kitten would that be? If there were multiple guilds, you could just look at the flags and see who is bringing their pride.

Man, suddenly I’m lovin this idea. Devon! Sort out the growing server population inequality that’s been goin on for 14 months now! On your lunch break tell an artist to get on making these flags!

What blob problem?

bob.8632:

Everything is a zerg when you can only count to potato, and pets count as potatoes.

I thought I was the only one who counted 1, 2, potato.

The banners would be cool. Heck, if you could skin the warrior banners with guild emblems, how neat would that be?

I don’t think any of the servers we’re talkin about have the control over their pugs to make anyone tank, haha. I feel like the thread’s more of a fun thought exercise. Like this:

Is it better for us to have Devon Carter get stomped by silver league or to stomp through empty bronze league borderlands or will it turn out he just logs in at prime time in Eternal Battleground and assumes that everything is fine anyway?

Rob.7624:

Hmmm.. So yeh.
Dats whats happening

Hahaha, it looks like Obs is sieging Rob’s Bay.

BlazeQ.1095:

moutzaheadin.4029:

styx.7294:

Narsil.6579:

Harbinger.8637:

Yeah lets all leave FC and go join iom on ET cause they are just so skilled.

ET you say? why not join join NSP and relax while you get everything won by the WvW community, or move to BG or JQ and just wait it out till the leagues are over, I hear people are getting ready to xfer to the league winning servers, so I might as well move to a guaranteed win and not care for WvW until this blows over

Day before leagues we all join NSP, get 3 chests every week, league win, and XOXO/SPCA/tM will never get to talk about how our server has bad roamers with no skill ever again!

Really, it’s hard to see the downside.

I welcome you with open arms.

Is that a dagger hidden up your sleeve?

Mesmers can’t use daggers, silly.

Narsil.6579:

Harbinger.8637:

Yeah lets all leave FC and go join iom on ET cause they are just so skilled.

ET you say? why not join join NSP and relax while you get everything won by the WvW community, or move to BG or JQ and just wait it out till the leagues are over, I hear people are getting ready to xfer to the league winning servers, so I might as well move to a guaranteed win and not care for WvW until this blows over

Day before leagues we all join NSP, get 3 chests every week, league win, and XOXO/SPCA/tM will never get to talk about how our server has bad roamers with no skill ever again!

Really, it’s hard to see the downside.

Hexin.5603:

Rigel.3092:

Actually, a far better idea would be to replace SMC with a designated GvG area – Anet, read this, hello!?

GvG should have its own map(s) – depending on whether you push it to be balanced/spvp or not/wvw style. That doesn’t count to ppt, but open in numbers and spectators.

Not in the center of a primary pug map. Randoms flock to ebg all the time, hence the battles at windmills on bl’s.

styx.7294:

Contiguous.1345:

Keep SM – add a karma merchant selling Legendaries.

2,500,00 karma + 3,000 Badges of honour + 150 WXP ranks.
Should be about right

I’d be okay with this.

That’s way too low. Think RNG of a precursor let alone the 600G you’ll spend on mats.

Try to multiply that by about 1 years worth of those. So max karma, plus max badges, plus what 1000 rank wxp, higher… maybe 2000? i know we have some 450 ranks, and wxp only been out a few months.

Well, you gotta take into account defending and upgrading your borderland in tier 8 for an entire evening. That makes you earn like negative gold for 6 hours of play. Compare that to someone farming champions for 6 hours.

Somewhere in that math where you equate time played is the correct price for a legendary in terms of badges.

style.6173:

Why would any server want 6th place? Wouldn’t the rewards be better for winning the silver league than losing the gold one?

If you’re looking for fights, it’s better to be the server that doesn’t hold anything than the server that holds everything.

moutzaheadin.4029:

styx.7294:

moutzaheadin.4029:

Omg.. plz leave me out of this mess.. Ty

I’m just surprised it’s Joe instead of you! Work is boring.

Lol… Why me ><

Come now, don’t pretend like you don’t have an exciting conflict filled forum history.

There’s a been sticky at the top of this forum for a week:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Upcoming-change-to-WXP-boosters/first#post2906758

“I just wanted to give you all a head’s up and let you know that if you were holding on to either for the purposes of boosting the gains from the consumable items you have until the build on October 1st to do so.”

Bleh, more rewards for people transferrin to higher tiers. This is the opposite of what this game needs.

Contiguous.1345:

Keep SM – add a karma merchant selling Legendaries.

2,500,00 karma + 3,000 Badges of honour + 150 WXP ranks.
Should be about right

I’d be okay with this.

moutzaheadin.4029:

Omg.. plz leave me out of this mess.. Ty

I’m just surprised it’s Joe instead of you! Work is boring.

Vena.8436:

“Karma training is bad! Give us rewards for fighting people!”
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A few days later…
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“Why are you rewarding us for killing people? Stop it!”

Don’t be stupid. No one person said both things and it isn’t even relevant to some of the points presented.

Victory.2879:

Consumable WXP items have been added to player loot bags in WvW, in values up to 25,000 WXP. These items are account bound.

“Hey, people in WvW want more rewards”
“How about we reward them more in higher tiers but less in lower tiers?”
“Worked so far”

XOXO will always be the mesmer/thief guild to me.

I’m sure things like bloodlust and WvW ranks are nice when you’re in the top tiers and have lots of people to play with.

But I think the ultimate issue, and this goes back to what the original poster talks about, is player distribution. The small servers are getting smaller. The game rewards you for playing in higher ranks, not lower ranks. The transfer costs are not at all cheaper on lower ranked servers.

The game has no mechanism to encourage people to spread out among the servers, instead it gives incentives to move up tiers (which for over a year we’ve seen guilds do). That is the number one issue they have to address I believe or there really will be dead servers.

SykkoB.9465:

Chris.3290:

I feel no sympathy for the bandwagoneers who are going to drool themselves to death waiting for queues to pop in Tier 1.

Everyone needs to stop going to Tier 1, this crap is out of hand and ANet is 100% complicit in creating this catastrophe.

well you would have a point if the OP just used his brain. Instead of him queing up for the other 3 bls that from what i been told were insta pop, he continued to QUe for EB and cried about the que.

In tier 1 you can be a noob at queuing.

Draygo.9473:

Just saying its possible. It depends heavily on what matchups happen. If kaineng has to fight 16 and below servers twice, it is likely they will lose enough rating in time. And it doesn’t have to be NSP that is pushed up into 15th for kaineng to fall, any server can potentially pass NSP.

It would take some pretty extensive transfers to do that.

Draygo.9473:

styx.7294:

Kaineng’s only losing so much this week because of Stormbluff Isle. Two weeks ago it was up against rank 19 and rank 21 and lost less only about 20 rating.

Northern Shiverpeaks also has lost rating in its last 5 matches. It’s not exactly a rising star. I don’t think there’s been a big shift in its population in a long time so it’s got a pretty solid rating. I think it’s fairly high ranking has more to do with what the servers below it lost than what it gained.

Did you miss the post where I said Kaineng just recently lost a lot of WvW guilds.

Yeah. Kaineng does not have the NA population to compete against any server in the silver league, we currently have the NA population that can compete with the upper half of the bronze league, probably not even first place.

I can’t say I know how recently and how much of that was your fighting force. Northen Shiverpeaks isn’t exactly swimming in population either and they’re goin down in rating too so they’re not makin it easy on you guys. Just I’d put my money that 3 weeks is too short a time to close that rating gap.

Edit: Unless maybe Devon Carter’s presence is gonna affect population? Carter Fan Club Guild [CFCG]?!

Valik Shin.9027:

Ghoulina.2976:

Meh, warrior is only OP because the healing signet isn’t working correctly.

I’d say the most interesting do it all classes in wvw are ele/guard/warrior/mes the most fun I have playing though are engi/necro.

Healing signet isn’t really that good for wvw. Too much spike damage.

With the highest hit points and armour, spike damage is not the same worry to warriors it is to everyone else.

Draygo.9473:

BlazeQ.1095:

Rob.7624:

How about no
We wont pass to 15th because Kaineng wont move down.
The only reason we’ve passed DH into 16th place is because they suck so bad.

Even as bad as Kaineng is tanking now, Its hard to believe that they will drop another 130-140 points that they need to move NSP up into the Silver tier. Not that its not possible, just hard to believe it will happen.

If kaineng continues to drop 50 points a week, all it takes is a single matchup with NSP and NSP can also gain 50+ points.

It really depends on the matchmaking. If kaineng has to fight higher rated servers they wont lose enough rating, but a single match with a lower rated server and you can tank over 100 points in a week.

Kaineng’s only losing so much this week because of Stormbluff Isle. Two weeks ago it was up against rank 19 and rank 21 and lost less only about 20 rating.

Northern Shiverpeaks also has lost rating in its last 5 matches. It’s not exactly a rising star. I don’t think there’s been a big shift in its population in a long time so it’s got a pretty solid rating. I think it’s fairly high ranking has more to do with what the servers below it lost than what it gained.

Chris.3290:

Lord Kuru.3685:

hopefully those in T1 will find it unfun crushing those in T2 week after week with no competition and spread out.

With the exception of HoD, there has yet to be a server that imploded because they were winning too much.

It should be added that a lot of the former HoD people stacked BG and SoS and never left the top tiers.

My server actually had a lot of people leave after winnin 13 out of 14 match ups ’cause it was too boring for them apparently. People can have bad morale for like really weird reasons.

If tier 1 wasn’t matched up together so consistently, I think people would transfer off (and as another point, they wouldn’t recruit so hard either). People don’t wanna be in matches that aren’t fun.

I’d say about 10-20 is about as big a zerg as you’ll find in the borderlands on my server. We don’t get skill lag. If you are new to the game, the poster above me has got a good idea. Twitch streams can give you a good idea of what a server’s like. It’s unedited and you can see what it’s like maybe checkin in on random points to see how zergy it is or how much standin around they do.

Chris.3290:

styx.7294:

Right, I got it. All this time everyone had it wrong. It wasn’t about population and coverage at all. All good PvP players wanna be in tier 1 because that’s the only place good PvP players are. It should be clear to everyone when bad/lazy/bandwagon people transfer they go everywhere but tier 1.

It’s not that and some guilds have enough pride not to rush into that clusterkitten in Tier 1.
However, there is an abundance of guilds in T1 that do nothing but WvW.
Look at your own situation. Do you have presence on all maps? Do you have people who WvW every day and run in groups of 40+?
Do you have queues every day, of people who do nothing but WvW?

It’s not about skill, it’s about effective guilds running in groups vs. mish-mash of PuGs who aren’t on VoiP with the others.

We have people and guilds who do nothing but WvW every day and run in groups in voice with leaders. Like we’re not banging rocks down here.

What we don’t have are groups of size 40+ (which is fine, it’s not our preferred scale of fights) and we don’t queue every map (heck, right now we couldn’t queue any map). It just means fights are different and we have different tactics for a different meta. We still have the same dedication and seriousness about what we do.

Johje Holan.4607:

Pendragon.8735:

Johje Holan.4607:

But lets be honest, SoR, BG and JQ are more skilled than any other NA server. (Another reason they need their own league).

They probably have more skilled people AND more bad people, just because they have more people in general. Basic math.

But where do you think all those players on those servers came from? Most certainly didn’t start on those servers. They came from all lower tier servers that were likely being beaten a lot. So were they bad players when they were losing, but good when they came to a high population one? In my experience the players that are the first to bail to a high pop server are often the ones that don’t have a lot of confidence in their own ability and just want to hide behind numbers or go somewhere that is already winning without them.

Niim.9260:

Chris.3290:

Niim.9260:

Johje Holan.4607:

But lets be honest, SoR, BG and JQ are more skilled than any other NA server. (Another reason they need their own league).

More skilled at what? If you mean skilled at earning PPT, yea sure I can agree with that because they are the few servers that actually work at PPT.

T1 has the largest number of WvW focused guilds. This doesn’t mean that 20 people from random BG guild are better than 20 people from an IoJ guild.

What it means that they have all maps queued with WvW focused players who do nothing but WvW 90% of the time.

Compared that to most T2 and lower servers that can fully man 2-3 borderlands on reset night with 30%-50% casual PuGs.

You are talking about coverage and population, his comment was about skill.

By skill I mean overall skill in WvW and all that entails. In an even numbered matchup between the top 3 servers and any other servers, the top 3 will win because they are more skilled. In a battle for Hills for example, if the sides are even, BG will win more often.

I agree with Chirs’ statement about a random BG and random IoJ guild. However, if you take BG’s top 100 people and queue the map and you take IoJ’s top 100 people and que the map, BG will win.

Regarding where the top servers people came from – they came from other servers. And I completely disagree that they were the bad players. In fact, just the opposite, they were the best players (read PvPers) from those other servers. They went to the top for the fights and competition not simply to win or get rewards.

As earendil mentioned – I’m from SBI too – the people that left SBI in the exodus were the WvW/PvP guilds. They were some of the best at actual PvP that we had. And they are now on all three top servers – BG, SoR and JQ.

The reason I mention this is becaue if other servers (and Anet) think that it is only about population and coverage, they are wrong. And those fighting for a spot in the Gold league will be in for a ruder awakening than they thought if they are not prepared for it.

Right, I got it. All this time everyone had it wrong. It wasn’t about population and coverage at all. All good PvP players wanna be in tier 1 because that’s the only place good PvP players are. It should be clear to everyone when bad/lazy/bandwagon people transfer they go everywhere but tier 1.

Brando.1374:

Hexin.5603:

Brando.1374:

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

This is not. It’s two mini zergs clashing into eachother. There is 0 strategy or offering split squads or anything of the like. No strategy involved. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. It’s the only avenue guilds have at the moment.

But if you think 15v15 or 20v20 in an area the size of a tennis court involves any strategy (not skill, strategy) then your mistaken. You may as well host GvG’s in Hill’s Lord’s rooms, at least spectators could sit and watch from above like a real gladiator arena. Or that Bloodlust node. It’s the same style of ‘smashing into eachother’ … or ‘dropping the bomb’ … joke.

Hopefully Anet will eventually get to adding something where it will require people to think, and move. Strike and Counter strike.

It’s still fun in it’s own way, but not nearly as enjoyable and very much reminds me of watching my 6 year old’s soccer team all chasing a ball.

personally I do not consider 15 a mini zerg. 30 would be a mini zerg and 40+ would be a zerg.

Most GvG guilds where and are ’Zerg Busting guilds" we normally run with 10-20 each night. this was made as a way to test out zerg busting skills on other guild that do the same to see who was better. (well at least this is how [GF] started out)

also to say this takes little skill/strategy is also not true.
it takes reaction time, battle awareness, and knowledge of what each class is capable of doing and their CD. if it required no skill or strategy any group of 15 can come in and 7-0 [GF][Agg][NS][EP]

For terms, it’s all relative. For example in my tier, people call 5-10 mini zerg =P

I gotta give a vote to warrior too. No one build does everythin but they got a build to excel in any situation.

I think the 40 condition duration/redution on the foods is a lil’ too much. It’s like over 90% for immobilize reduction (wouldn’t having 50% total reduction on conditions be strong enough, do we really need to be itchin against 100% reduction 100% of the time? Isn’t that boring because it’s not interactive?).

Some fights it does feel like these foods are what decide the fights rather than anything else.

DevonCarver.5370:

I’d just like to make a note of one thing that I think people aren’t considering when they transfer to stacked worlds. You will not, repeat will not, be able to receive the reward based on overall world place in the league, unless you achieve the meta achievement for the season. If you aren’t able to get into WvW much, you won’t get the rewards. So it is absolutely taking a risk to transfer to a world that has a large WvW population.

Please, the list of pros and cons is ridiculous and has been so for a long time. People’s behaviour shows it.

Things you get for transferring to stacked worlds:
-more loot
-more WvW ranks for better stats/titles
-more WvW rank chests that come with more WvW ranks
-more people to play with, more organization, bigger scale fights
-fights everywhere all the time, you’re never bored

Things you get for transferring to smaller worlds:
-lotsa cool ~5 man fights (unless you’re in a bad timezone then it’s empty maps that sometimes you’re gonna have nothin to do in other than fights NPCs)

It’s now gonna be 14 months of people transferring up tiers, Devon. You gotta come up with an incentive to get them to transfer down too. Unless you like watching the bottom servers dry out.

This isn’t an issue of motivation, morale whatever. For months on all the bottom servers, people have been banging the drums gettin people to come out, gettin their guild organized, reaching out to transfers, talking to the PvE folk. Those are the people who burn out and then transfer up tiers or they quit. The game is actively working against them and quite frankly it’s somethin that kitten es some of us off.

DevonCarver.5370:

leviN.4390:

Hey DevonCarver, us bottom tiered server would like for you and your WvW decision buddies to join us over the next course of 7 weeks of WvW fun.

And I mean for you guys to actually participate. Not looking at stats and numbers from data collection. Join one server, a week and actively participate

Then actually get back to us with a written report on how fun it is

Sincerely

All bottom tiered servers that has kittenised by league

I will be on NSP throughout the duration of the season. And I will be getting the meta achievement.

I expect to see you on some XOXO/SPCA videos then =)

melodyca.8921:

Qualamala Lumpa.9832:

melodyca.8921:

Horrible demoralizing matchup. Will be glad when the week is over with. It sucks being outnumbered. The matches are fun when they are EVEN

And GOM…how come its never acknowledged we are in a serious slump???

Just wait until leagues! All the servers 20 – 24 are going to have a blast facing rank 12 – 15! Kudos to Anet

Im losing the inspiration to play and given how AR and DH have most of everything…alot of people have lost the desire.

hugs for Melody I’m sorry you’re in a slump, transfers are bad for morale. I’m on a break myself right now!

Apparently I don’t need to come back to the game ‘cause Taquito is solo’ing everyone with fireworks (how is that even a thing?!).

Some classes were obvious (elementalists aren’t worse off, for example) and others weren’t. Meh, I’m not gonna lose sleep over levelling of the field.

Considerin the meta is pretty condition heavy.. and that’s neither berserker or soldier’s, I’m not sure you’re startin from the right place.

Orikx.9671:

Sorry Petrica I had a hard time understanding your post so i may be repeating what you said.

Really the best option I have seen for balance is to have the WvW servers not tied to the server you character is on.
So basically you pick your server for PvE and your server for WvW. That allows them to adjust the amount of servers based on population. Right now they are adjusting the WvW servers based on PvE load and that doesn’t work. The problem with that though is people don’t feel as connected to their server. They already have the system in place for this because you can connect to WvW from an overflow server.

It will never happen though because WvW is a side project and that might give it a feel that it’s completely separate from the rest of the game.

No, they’re not adjusting anything and the system incentives you to transfer to higher WvW population servers. Gem costs are random as far as tiers are concerned and only relevant for WvW players and the more population the server has the more likely someone will pay at least part of the costs for you anyway. And when you get to a higher tier server, you’ll make more gold in WvW.

I think all I’ve learned in a year is that ArenaNet has no plan for the growing population inequality, never thought it needed one, and hasn’t even started on one.

Orikx.9671:

Wraistlin.6072:

I do have one thing to say about this. How many people kitten’n on this forum transferred from their original server? Or are sitting on one of the more overpopulated servers for WvW?

This can be fixed it just requires everyone to stop jumping on the OverPop bandwagon.

In most cases people not transferring would not fix anything. People get tired of playing and servers lose population. That is the nature of an MMO. For many who have transfered to a higher pop server the alternative would probably mean not playing at all if they couldn’t transfer.
Lots of people play WvW for big fights and you can’t get those on a dead server fighting other dead servers.

Servers aren’t exactly dead down here but they’re getting deader because all the incentives are to move to higher tiers or PvE.

There need to be incentives to move down tiers. Free up queues at the top and reduce skill lag, liven up the lower tiers.

If they just stopped transfers to all but select low tiers server (maybe rotate which ones), I wouldn’t mind. Since guesting, the only people who transfer are WvW folk.

Contiguous.1345:

Prime time here. All four maps queued up to a half-hour.

There are servers that can’t queue one map even if they gathered everyone on prime time.

Ya know what, half serious here. What ArenaNet should do is just pay weekly gold to people on lower ranked servers who have minimum WvW activity.

Right now if you’re on a higher ranked server you get more kills which means:
-more loot bags (which is more gold)
-more achievement points (which is yet another source of more gold for you)
-more WvW ranks (which translates into hundreds more chests filled with gold for you!)
-I haven’t even brought up leagues!

Also some higher ranked servers are cheaper to transfer to than lower ranked ones.

Hey ArenaNet, STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO GO TO HIGHER TIER SERVERS AND THEN STOP PAYING WEEKLY TO KEEP THEM THERE. Might as well try the inverse! Not like you’ve even shown you have a plan (a year and then some later!)

Hate the buff. Was up this mornin and roaming with a buddy. Without guard buffs we ran into a pair of guys who had full guard buffs and the +150 to all stats and I’m just like “Why the kitten am I dealin with this kitten?” and logged out.

Sol.4310:

Thanks Anet great update

Why?, I’ll explain.
At the bottom is list of change’s I would add

Roamer’s will become a server requirement now, the new bloodlust is very anti zerg, unless its unfair match-up which needs to be addressed. Bloodlust or not when its unfair match up your still going to have the super zerg server holding everything.

Roamer’s will take up holding bloodlust, a zerg comes throw caps all the points and moves on to take there PvDoor, within few min’s the roamers will de-cap and take back the bloodlust buff’s or decap at least. This will promote small teams, effective PvP team’s who find zerging boring.

GvG Team’s now can do something that requires skill, try holding the bloodlust with your 20 man team vs other 20 man teams with pug’s and roamers hitting you from all side’s, this will require more skill and tactics. Rather then zerg balling in 20 man group where you have no idea what the hell is going on.

I’d love to see videos of the top GvG 20 Man Team’s using tactics and skill holding bloodlust.

20 Player Guild Team’s will find themselfs broken up into 5-10 man teams roaming around the Bloodlust trying there hardest to hold the points. Player’s will have to rethink there builds and tactics, this will require allot more player skill. Team’s will find themselves in 5v5 match up’s allot, there will be commander directing his teams around the bloodlust trying to hold while reinforcing points to win key fight’s.

Didn’t even have 20 people on the homeland map tonight at prime time. What the hell are you talkin about?

Kinshiro.1472:

Yeah this would be real nice BUT do you really think that all those no-lifers would be able to stop playing? They would get some serious withdrawals :p

That’s them casting their vote just as logging out for an hour would be casting yours.

Riondron.1069:

Atherakhia.4086:

lol, no.

Most servers out there play with a queue.

Huh???

This kinda made my day!

I agree, as long as the guy in the Super Adventure Box is having WvW fun I’m alright.

I’m sure when those servers fight the other 9 servers in the league, this’ll hold up.

Haven’t even gotten home from work yet!

Mightymealworm.8409:

It is doomed, but only if you read the forums. Everyone else is in que.

What queue?

Zikory.6871:

Honestly a lot of work has gone into this match up from all 3 servers and no one is trying to build a super server like before.

Tier 1 wants a ribbon for recruiting from all the other tiers?

shrug Unless you’ve played on/against European servers, it’s hard to know the situation on them.

CHIP is overreacting and I’m not sure he can count.

I’m pretty sure any server in North America (the only ones I’m familiar with) can take Stonemist.

You can try pitchin it to your server community as a quick one time event. Ninja’ing should be possible given the right match up.