Guild Wars 2

Tellerion.8102:

When they can’t even fix this after 11 months, what does that say about the future of WvW? :/

It means we need to complain about this like people complain about progression!

Basic functionality, come on!

GET IT DONE!

Viking Jorun.5413:

Hey guys, just wanted to drop by and give GoM a little encouragement. Hang in there, guys. I want you all to know that I’m working diligently on a solution to get our server to rebound back after losing so many great players. Keep your ears open, and HoD? Be afraid.

~The GvG scene may soon be coming to you in full force.

Neat!

We’ve done a lot better the last couple days. Even durin NA prime time! Maybe Henge of Denravi got tired and we’re fresh from our nap!

Really, guys? Let Zombieland do its thing. They don’t have anything to do with this thread.

ArkAngel.7940:

AR really roflstomped us this time…

Whoah, good for Anvil Rock! Go you guys!

Fuzzion.2504:

COme to JQ with the greatest SEA presence in NA. We will solve all your night time cap problems.

JQ wants you. Yes you.

Look at some point you’re going to have to admit to yourself that Jade Quarry has enough people.

Havvik Nightseeker.3485:

Tossed fish didn’t like my poem ;( hold me

A necromancer named Tossed Fish
Said that he had only but one wish
Which to have a nice read
A smart author’s proud deed
But turns out that life is a bish

The rhythm is totally off but whatever!

obastable.5231:

styx.7294:

Havvik Nightseeker.3485:

so much hate on my signature brah

hayturs gonna hayte

no GvG’s? :’(

Not sure we can scrounge up 20 people that can afford to sit out homeland defense, to be honest.

i think havvik means that 20 would be the cap he’d try to organize on his part, too. so if you could scrounge up 5/10/12/14/whatever he’d pee his pants in delight.

Alright, I’m not sure we can scrounge up 5/10/12/14 that can afford to sit out homeland defense, to be honest.

Actually, more seriously. I’ll consider. I’d like to get my guild into somethin like that. If only to get Havvik to pee his pants.

Red, green, cyan?

Zorin, you’re my hero.

Havvik Nightseeker.3485:

so much hate on my signature brah

hayturs gonna hayte

no GvG’s? :’(

Not sure we can scrounge up 20 people that can afford to sit out homeland defense, to be honest.

Fuzzion.2504:

I havent been able to locate any patch notes as well. But i think they should be up very, very soon.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-August-20-2013

They post them before they announce it on the main page.

Am lovin the WvW XP rate increase. More money for us (yet again!).

Sinester.3572:

=O i can post now!!!! let start whit the massive upscales the enemys have dam paxa leaves hod and now a lot of upscales walk arround mauhahaah and about GOM DAM u guys are weak as hell go to t8 allright and we made a honor attack in memory of server police he run away from us =( so we had to make a small honor golem rush for the man

Ah, I see. You’re Henge of Denravi’s Laethwyn. Well met.

KyoHanakaze.8145:

styx.7294:

Man, Henge of Denravi, you guys really stepped up your game!

I SAID HI TO YOU IN MY POST AND YOU IGNORED ME. :’(

Sorry, was busy respawnin in the borderland last night =P

Hi, haha =)

Man, Henge of Denravi, you guys really stepped up your game!

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ninjapotpie.6973:

with all this stupidity and BS flying around not only the server but this forum it has me extremely close to quiting and finding a game with some adults that play it. Sad what GOM has turned in to as of late. the gifs alone make me not even want to come to the forums. sigh maybe am just getting grumpy in my old age.

In before the Apocalypse…A GoM that doesn’t like the nubby gifs….

I too cannot say I love the gifs or Dr. Who.

ARM.3912:

Averaelas.1876:

ARM.3912:

Averaelas.1876:

I will agree to stop putting holes in SM if someone on SF will mail me 150 ancient bones.

Yes, this is extortion.

Yes, you can choke on my kitten.

Yes, I’m gonna swiss cheese dat kitten.

OMG that is brilliant! This game would be so awesome if you could extort the other server for gold at any time. Want us to stop spawning? Make an offer. Want me to stop spamming /sit on your body? Make an offer. I am so glad I thought of this and posted it months ago…

ARM

Shut up ARM :p

All is one in ARM. This mighty body is my church. When I command your surrender, I speak with six billion voices. When I make a fist to crush your resistance. It is with six billion hands. When I stare into your eyes and shatter your dreams and break your heart. It is with twelve billion eyes. Nothing like ARM has ever come among you; nothing will again. I will take you to a hell without exit or end. And there I will murder your souls! And make you crawl and beg! And die! Die! DIE FOR ARM!

ARM

ARM doesn’t always speak, but when he does it is the greatest speech ever.

Nikola.3841:

styx.7294:

Every time someone describes DAoC I’m like “Glad that’s not this game…”

But you low skill people already have WOW and SWTOR and bunch of other MMOs, why you need more?

Did you even think before posting that?

Feranor.2053:

Urrid.4593:

Or the people that play it.

Broken loot. Check.
Non-refundable wxp traits that say one thing and give you less? Check!
Widespread graphics issues? Yup, check!

And that’s only the major bugs introduced by this PVE patch!

And that’s okay because they hotpatch the PVE stuff on the hour and in return we get:

Supply Mastery.

Hey Anet, keep it up and even getting 200 wvw ranks will be impossible as we’ve all quit the game in disgust.

WvW is your golden goose and you’re starving it to death. WvW is the only thing that GW2 can offer that many other games cannot.

Then again, you (anet) don’t care do you?

WvW was a stillbirth. Everyone I knew from DAoC was looking forward to having RvR 2.0 with a fresh engine, netcode and decent control scheme. All the things that DAoC didn’t offer. But WvW just never delivered. Only Soldier’s gear. Extremely tedious loot system. No real grouping. Downed state. No dedicated healers. Broken buff/debuff stack system. Overpowered classes. Bugs and exploits up the rear. Having to tag every single target to get any reward. Broken CC and immunities. Nigh-instant respawn. The list goes on. So again, every serious 8vs8 player I knew quit the game after at most 2 months.

Every time someone describes DAoC I’m like “Glad that’s not this game…”

Announcing kills would spam the chat. I don’t really want the game announcing what’s happening on the map. If people aren’t watching the map, they should miss out on intel.

I like the claiming info though. Build some guild pride.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

lordkrall.7241:

meep.2601:

yup. for one reason or another, they are determined to make WvW fail (they are succeeding)

Oh?
Based on personal experience and ArenaNets own words that is quite clearly not the case, since the population in WvW has actually increased since January.

On what server, it’s mostly fallen on everything except the top 5 or 6. The matchup system for wvw is crap. Plus the new solo queue looks pretty sweet.

The new matchup system is better than the old one. Seriously, how much longer did you want to fight AR/EB for?

Edit: All I want them to do is fix the broken party system. Tired of remaking groups to kick one guy. I don’t care about new maps, lots of people still don’t know how to play the ones we got. WXP bein account wide would be nice but I can live with how it is. There’s nothin mandatory about it and you’ll just get most everythin eventually anyway.

There is no tier 1. Stacking the top three servers like they’re going to fight each other every week stopped making sense months ago.

Sororita.3465:

styx.7294:

Muni’s .gif overstatement aside

Come back to me when you play EB every night and can sometimes be outmanned even in NA primetime.

You’re still not a stormtrooper! And why would you want to be? =(

Frosch.7809:

styx.7294:

Should mention that I’m not sure your server is facing 30-40 people from one server and 20-30 from another server on your borderland almost every day?

That said, this match is awesome and I am loving it! =)

Good thing you are still having fun. You guys aren’t doing too bad actually.

We had higher ranked servers against us for the last weeks, and Yaks is no longer the same as last October. Neither is Kaineng from what i can tell, so from my point of view you guys are not being rolled over completely all the time. Or am i wrong there? I’m mostly in our BL so i can’t tell how many of us are over in your BL.

Sure, having Zergs in your BL is not a pleasant experience, but Yaks can’t field the 60-80 Zergs we had in our BL during the last weeks. All.the.time.

Oh, and believe it or not, we had our own times with the outmanned buff this week. I stay mostly in our BL to defend, where at times we are few in number. So even this week i know how it feels.

TCDJ.5378:

What I didn’t appreciate as much however was an YB roamer just being insulting. Look at the attachment. That’s a prime example of the opposite of sportsmanship.

After we killed him in a 2v2 turned 3v1 (because we got one extra and focused his friend to death) he joined my party only to insult us and leave it again.

Such things do happen unfortunately. Bad manners are not acceptable imo. But at least you did not get vomitted on…happened to me some weeks ago, if only i could remember the server the guys came from… >.<

Hahaha, no one’s the same as they were in October. I only mentioned a match so out of date as to be meaningless well, for tryin find some humour/irony sake.

What gives us the most trouble is the Power of One guild, I’d say (well, in the borderland, I have no idea what goes on in EB). We don’t have any WvW guilds that big and when we’ve had to deal with big guild groups like that in the past, even among lower tier servers, we haven’t had much luck with it. We just kinda avoid fightin in the open field then, hahaha. Ever since Monday there’s been a lot of pressure on our borderland when I’m on in the Canada-time evenings, enough that Monday we had to just abandon Cragtop in Yak’s Bend borderland, which made me very sad but ya gotta do what ya gotta do! We haven’t been outmanned though at those times by any one server but like Monday night was a 20+ Kaineng force siege Hills while 40+ Yak’s siege Bay.

Raithien.7946:

Wreckdum.8367:

Somehow I think the words higher tier and higher pop are being mixed and matched. YB is not a high WvW pop server. For some reason I think it’s a psychological thing where every server in this game thinks they are outnumbered. How is that possible?! Because what else could it be?! I can’t ever say someone is better than me at a game. The table must be rigged! I was cheated!

Constructive criticism. YB does it too but not to the extent I’ve seen Kain and GoM when tabbing through zerg targets. Stop bringing alts to WvW… I haven’t seen so many upleveled free kills in a loooooong time. Not saying that’s the main reason you’re losing but it sure doesn’t help when 50% of your zerg is dead from 2 hits. lol

Well I don’t know about you, but we’ve been having the outmanned buff a lot more than we haven’t. That’s not an embellishment. About alts… well people can play how they want to play, and to be honest, I’ve seen a lot of uplevels from GoM throwing down pretty well. Hell even my 68-72 engi was able to win 1v1 and 1v2’s with full 80s, but that’s neither here or there.

Basically having outmanned being an almost all day thing justifies saying we are outnumbered in WvW. However as stated before, fun fights so far this week.

To be fair, we spend most of our time on enemy borderlands.

Wreckdum.8367:

Somehow I think the words higher tier and higher pop are being mixed and matched. YB is not a high WvW pop server. For some reason I think it’s a psychological thing where every server in this game thinks they are outnumbered. How is that possible?! Because what else could it be?! I can’t ever say someone is better than me at a game. The table must be rigged! I was cheated!

Constructive criticism. YB does it too but not to the extent I’ve seen Kain and GoM when tabbing through zerg targets. Stop bringing alts to WvW… I haven’t seen so many upleveled free kills in a loooooong time. Not saying that’s the main reason you’re losing but it sure doesn’t help when 50% of your zerg is dead from 2 hits. lol

I usually refrain from makin comments on good/bad people are. I think how good/bad people are is evident in the game. Forum words aren’t going to change what happened in game.

The populations between the three server are enough that I think everyone’s having great fights.

It does seem to me that we’re kinda gettin ganked up on! But since everyone always says that I might be sufferin from that bias. My bias keeps me from figurin out if it’s just my bias or if it’s true though, hahaha.

Frosch.7809:

Sororita.3465:

What it feels like fighting higher tier servers….

I’m curious, did you play against DB or SoS? If you think you are getting it this week then wait till you face one of those. Sure, you are getting some attention, but if you truly think this is tough on you then hope that you do not rise in rank to face some of the real elephant servers out there.

Muni’s .gif overstatement aside, we played rank 24 last week. We’re not worried about facing ranks 5 and 7. That’s a problem on your side of the rankings.

Also, I was there last time we fought Yak’s Bend in October, where Yak’s Bend scored 550k points. So I, and many people here, are well aware of what an kitten kicking feels like.

Should mention that I’m not sure your server is facing 30-40 people from one server and 20-30 from another server on your borderland almost every day?

That said, this match is awesome and I am loving it! =)

Averaelas.1876:

Aeros.2046:

Just thought I’d drop into this thread. WTF is going on in Tier 5? Why is Gates of Madness not a smear on the pavement? For that matter, why are they within a hairs breath of passing Kaineng and in competition with Yaks? Are you guys taking the week off or has the Madness gone all Sparta?

Hi Aeros! Its Laethwyn, your friendly neighborhood GoM Help Desk Associate. We in GoM want you to know that we appreciate your questions and commentary and have taken the time to respond to each and every one of our valued loot bags. We hope that your concerns are addressed within, but if they aree not, feel free to let us know and we’ll be happy to get back to you!

Please find attached our response to your inquiry.

In GoM we trust;

Laethwyn

First, we here at GoM work tirelessly day in and day out to manicure, pedicure, maintain, and otherwise ‘show our our troops some love’ If you know what I mean. GoM has become a well oiled fighting force of no fewer than 6,000 Pugs at any given time that are both vastly kittened, and malleable. So despite being handicapped, we can typically respond and cover a target like a blanket. (See attached)

I’d like to answer your third and fourth questions out of turn here, starting with the fourth. Many moons ago, a server called FC was forged in the fires of the Dredge. The dredge, not knowing what they had done, sent it out into the world because it was lame and useless. That server had a secret power that the dredge couldn’t have surmised: They were secretly mighty Keyboard Warriors. GoM set out in T8 to defeat them, and week after week they rightfully did so. Smashing FC faces into the pavement much like a cholo would someone owing him money. But, they kept coming back. For an eternity, GoM waged a Holy War against the Dark Forces of ET and many of those were consumed by the Madness. They became what they had been named for. They were Gates. They were Mad.

As for why GoM is in close competition with Kaineng, we never were a T8 quality server. We have always deserved 5-6 ranking even when Zombie Losers were on our server. But the RNG hated us, or so we thought. We found back in an old library in Old Lion’s Arch,in a chest, a book, well preserved and untouched by the water. It was written in Old Canthan, and it took many of our greatest scholars months to decipher its text. But, we discovered it was called “Pwning Noobs” by Sum Ting Wong, who would famously go on to fly an air plane. GoMs commanders have transcribed and studied this book tirelessly. In our fits of Madness we have even channeled Sum Ting Wong and written new chapters. Some of them fittingly titled, some of them just smears of fecal matter across an kitteneep that were then lithographed into a book. Why you might ask? Why not? Would you not lithograph fecal smears?

We would also like to encourage you guys to read more books GoM Booksellers, Ltd is offering, at the low low price of 10g, our newest book “Losing With Honor” by our most prolific commander Liqma Diq. He’s some kind of Arabic, never mind his name.

Do let us know if you want a copy of this. And always, we at GoM value each and every one of our Loot Bags, such as yourself. And remember, we are a jealous and righteous GoM. Thou shalt have no other GoM before us, you self righteous heathen.

-Laethwyn

Wow, this post. The train wreck picture is just like a copy/paste of the text.

What’s with the random “He’s some kind of Arabic”?

Ogre.1750:

Blix.8021:

GvG is way more important to this game’s community than idiotic tower flipping, sorry

Preach on, brother!! o/

Err, I’d say WvW is good for the community. Like, the server workin for a cause is what brings the community together. Ogre, you seem cool guy, and I like your videos but I dunno if I’d call your server hoppin guild that disbanded when your guild leader got an achievement as an authority on community?

Nothin against GvG, I think there’s room for it. I think WvW is great though and there ain’t no reason to talk down about it just ‘cause siegin ain’t your thing.

Aeros.2046:

It seems things are hitting critical mass and we are seeing a mass exodus unfolding from high population servers to low pop servers. I know here at BP we’ve suddenly been fielding more queries in the last 2 weeks then the last 2 months. Are other Mid and Lower tier servers noticing the same? For that matter, are upper tier servers getting fond farewells? I’m curious to know if this is an aberration for us or in general something bigger. I am noticing for some reason Gates of Madness (Rank 18) is giving Yaks Bend (Rank 10) a run for its money. Which is surprising. Are we finally realizing tiers are not as important as being able to play WvW without dealing with skill lag and ques?

Actually, opposite. Gate of Madness had two guilds (probably a couple hundred people) transfer to Jade Quarry a week ago.

My theory is this. Before the random match ups, BP/EB/AR were stuck in a tier and DH couldn’t get into it. There was a fair bit of movement between the bottom of tier 6 and tiers 7 and 8 so I think those servers were more or less well ranked against each other. Ever since the random match ups opened up, every time a server below tier 5 is faced with a tier higher than that they’ve gained rating (ie. NSP/DH). GoM has just kept rolling the same tier 6-8 servers though (‘cept AR, which hadn’t much rating left to lose) – this in fact led to the boredom that led people to try the free server transfer (‘cause apparently transferring to Jade Quarry is free, if anyone didn’t know). NSP though kept rollin BP and whoever else and gained rating but we’ve actually beat NSP for the last few times we fought them and lost to DH last time. So if I had to guess, we’d actually be more like rank 16 instead of 18.

Also apparently the population difference between rank 1 and 4 is like a billion times bigger than the population difference between rank 10 and rank 18. How kittened up is that!

Edit: I also think all the servers in the bottom still need to go up in rating, if not in ranking (so servers above rank 15 will bleed rating to them for a while).

NeHoMaR.9812:

Clockradio.3257:

It would be FAR more productive if we could get something like:

BG/JQ/X or SoR/JQ/X

the X’s not being SoR or BG, relatively.

Agree. This could sound arrogant or something, but is not my intention: JQ must be “sticked” on the top in the matching system.

Is not only for the good of JQ, is for the good of ALL community. Doesn’t matter if JQ is superior or is not superior, or if a server is better or not, is pure logic: JQ in the second team is obviously not good for WvW.

You cannot make a “Mike Tyson vs Óscar de la Hoya” match, and is not because Tyson is “better” or “superior” or “tier 1”, is because he is bigger and stronger.

For example, Maguuma is not even trying to fight us, they should be playing PvE/sPvP or another game if they play WvW only.

Anyway, I created this thread in a personal way, not to discuss server superiority, as title say: “Let me play in T1”. That’s all I want, give me a free temporal transfer to BG or SoR, or rollback that bad matching system for the next match.

style.6173:

Quit whining. No one really cares.

That’s a typo? you mean “winning”? I am on JQ. Hahaha!

Oh! I see, this is a joke thread! Hahaha, tricked me good

Kronyx.2570:

Wow this RH guild from GoM never sleeps lol. They really have it for the SE corner of our BL….

Stop trebbing us!

Averaelas.1876:

bokkieskitten.8023:

Averaelas.1876:

styx.7294:

Averaelas.1876:

Frosch.7809:

To the Asura warrior i just fought in the NE of our BL, if an opponent does not kill you when downed you should not get up to attack again – especially not while using Vengeance, makes you drop dead after a few seconds. You could have healed and walked away. GoM not used to 1 vs 1 ?

No we’re used to FC/ET/SF having four people rush into a 1v1 and kill a person. No honor in them.

Oh and then when someone complains on the forums about it their excuse is “lrn2PvP noob”

You’re complaining about the servers that we outnumber outnumbering you and their honour in a thread that doesn’t involve them because I’m not sure why.

I discount your entire comment because you put a ‘u’ in honor. THIS IS AMERICA. MY PRESIDENT IS BLACK AND MY LAMBO Fiesta IS BLUE.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?! That is how it is spelled! Honour! Amour! Colour! Favour! Favourite!

WTH is Amour?

Scarecrow est mon amour!

Averaelas.1876:

Frosch.7809:

To the Asura warrior i just fought in the NE of our BL, if an opponent does not kill you when downed you should not get up to attack again – especially not while using Vengeance, makes you drop dead after a few seconds. You could have healed and walked away. GoM not used to 1 vs 1 ?

No we’re used to FC/ET/SF having four people rush into a 1v1 and kill a person. No honor in them.

Oh and then when someone complains on the forums about it their excuse is “lrn2PvP noob”

You’re complaining about the servers that we outnumber outnumbering you and their honour in a thread that doesn’t involve them because I’m not sure why.

The system is better the way it is.

Seems like half the problems in tier 1 are basically “we transferred too many people into our server”.

Gate of Madness zergin the crap out of this thread!

Intense fights in GoM borderlands, having a blast =) This is the match a lot of us have been waitin for!

Hell, haven’t fought Yak’s Bend since October!

Thought Ferguson’s Crossing was upping their game. Bad commanders just get frustrated and quit or they get good, haha.

Sea of Sorrows hasn’t had many better balanced matchups than you guys (http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/37). I get the impression as you approach tier 1, the population differences between the tiers only gets worse.

ParnAshwind.4823:

styx.7294:

ParnAshwind.4823:

Jackie.1829:

There are no armor skins exclusive to spvp. It amuses me to see people write elaborate analogies between wvw and spvp when they havent got a clue what the other game format does or doesnt have.

So, -1 for not even knowing what you are talking about.

Really? Find me my Commando Armor pls.

Apparently you can find it in the story missions http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Commando_armor

I stand corrected – obviously I have not been doing my personal story.

What about Stalwart armor?

Hm, found this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/PvP-Tribal-and-Stalwart-armor-skin-in-PvE/first#post2526596

Looks like the chest pieces are available but that’s about it. Probably just sloppiness in the game that they didn’t end up giving the rest of the armour set as a reward that didn’t get cleaned up by launch, rather than some design to give PvP things exclusive things. Kinda like how there is like how there were only like 3 or 4 backpacks at launch.

I consider the light/medium armours from the badge vendors exclusive to WvW. Sadly, the heavy armour is just a copy of a lower karma set, if I recall correctly.

Ignore JJBigs, who thinks good coverage means you’re winning all day long on the most bloated server. I mean, if that’s what you want, go for it.

Honestly, you’ll find people to play with on most servers at all times. My server is fairly good and loggin in at about all the times of the day I’m able to find friends to play with. When you get to the lowest ranks (like ranked 20 and below), I would guess it comes out to about ~20 people on at the worst gaps. Usually there’s at least one map that has somethin goin on.

ParnAshwind.4823:

Jackie.1829:

There are no armor skins exclusive to spvp. It amuses me to see people write elaborate analogies between wvw and spvp when they havent got a clue what the other game format does or doesnt have.

So, -1 for not even knowing what you are talking about.

Really? Find me my Commando Armor pls.

Apparently you can find it in the story missions http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Commando_armor

Varconi.1804:

Been leveling an alt this week so haven’t been in WvW at all on my main. So I hop in today wow Kain and Bp are just terrible. It is so sad I can only assume I fought only pve baddies today since every thief I destroyed was running multiple legendary weapons along with 0 skill. Guess I will go back to leveling my alt and wait for real fights with skilled players after this matchup of zergball baddies is over.

Roll us tomorrow so we can have some of that new rating you’ve acquired! To entertain you for the week, we’ll let you farm Scarecrow.

Achilles makes too much a vague argument. We don’t let threads go in whatever section and tell people to not read them if they don’t like it.

The following does make sense to me:

Zikory.6871:

I would think if Anet didn’t want WvW guilds posting recruitment in this sub forum the mods would delete or move the thread. Since they have not done so, it brings me to believe they are ok with WvW guilds using a WvW related forum to find like minded WvW players.

I find it interesting that you think your the authority on what posts can be made here. These forums have very active mods and you should relax and let them do there job.

It’s up to ArenaNet to enforce where things go, not for us to argue about their intention.

I think it’s a notable fact that after this match, Eredon Terrace and Ferguson’s Crossing will be both above 1000 rating and I think that’s just fantastic =)

Boulderbolg.3460:

Liquid.9672:

You guys finally had enough Boulder? <—- sadface

We have no plans of moving, but yeah sometimes the SoR zergs just make us log off. Just putting out feelers and such.

Well, if it’s about cost, some of the lower servers are as cheap as it gets (‘cept mine, it’s as expensive as it gets, I think, haha). PAXA, AD/Btsy, SPCA are among crazy good small mans that all have great YouTube videos that kinda give you an idea of what it’s like in the lower tiers if you’re curious.

ArkAngel.7940:

styx.7294:

So the bad guys would see Gate of Madness Invader: Invader?

Titles have been hidden in WvW.

You still see them when you click on someone. I know I’ve been killing people who are omnomnivore and being very jealous about it.

So the bad guys would see Gate of Madness Invader: Invader?

Hukundu.7628:

SF can, of course, team up with GoM against ET — if they feel like they have to.

With Eredon Terrace’s winning score of 203 to 71 and 51, I think we will have to!

Thesilentflute.8761:

I think they are free to medium pop and lower severs. but if you want to be on a top wvw server without doing the work to get there you have to pay.

There are no free server transfers. There was an event for like a few days that it was free to medium pop or lower but that was very brief and I’m not sure whether it helped or hurt the targeted servers.

aathomas.4638:

LilMcGinley.3890:

aathomas.4638:

I think you have been going about this all wrong.

The best thing you could do is to make Topics explaining why small group play is so fun and rewarding and even make guides and suggestions for those who want to get in to it but don’t know how.

From what I see people who pick up the game and enjoy pvp just go out to wvw and all they see is big wvw guilds so they join one not even aware of other options. Many people might be willing to try and create small man groups if shown how much fun they are. Also, one would need to encourage and coach/guide them even if you wipe them right away or they will just turn back to zergs.

Unfortunately, it seems most of the posts about small man groups made by small man groups seem to give off the wrong attitude that would drive most people away.

5 man goes against the grain of current WvW. You only have 4 people to counteract your so-called “badness” where, in a zerg, you have 50 people to depend on.

Why do people think RG was so good? They were the same 20-25 guys who played together for YEARS if my information about them is correct. If you know exactly what your team is doing, you can accomplish some great things and that’s the beauty of 5-10 man groups.

My best memory of this was when FoE and AGG moved from BG to ET. We held Lake with 2 AC and our melee-train from from 80 SF + 40 FC, we had around 20 AGG and 10 FoE. We play the game the same way, we built our groups almost exactly the same and we all got along really well. This just goes against the grain of WvW and playing for PPT rather than having fun and playing how others think we should but how we find it enjoyable.

PAXA – I think T6 would be were you’d find decent fights, sadly group mentality surrounds WvW like the plague.

I don’t understand why you quoted me, you neither refuted my post or added anything to it.

All I am trying to say is that if you want a culture of small man group, you will need to help create it. That starts with getting people excited about it with posts showing how fun it is, then following up with posts explaining how other people can go about enjoying it themselves.

Making posts that seem like clique lists/giving off the impression that anyone who doesn’t already run small man groups must be bad is not the best way to go about it and will only further alienate small man groups from the “meta” instead of creating a culture to cause more people to want to try to form and create them.

I agree.

80% of my gameplay is with ~5 man group stuff and I love it but PAXA you guys always approach it with a “holier than thou” attitude has always made it a turn off to talk to you guys. Tired of watchin you guys talk about how everyone else is doin it wrong and how some other game I didn’t buy or want to buy was the best MMO ever *see edit below.

There are gripes to have with the game, I agree, but when it comes to WvW, I think the happiest people are the ones who integrate themselves with the world they’re in. It gives context to the battle beyond upping kill count. It gives you goals that vary with the map state (draw zerg attention, hold back reinforcements, be the tide turning flank attack etc.) and keeps the small man stuff fresh and shows how relevant small groups are in WvW. I can only speak for myself but I’d like to see more awareness raised on that sorta things. What small groups can do on a map, to let people know why to play them.

Edit: I was a GvG’er in Guild Wars 1 myself, mostly through the first couple years. Back when you would have nothing to spend Balthazar faction on, so I’m used to playin for the fun of it rather than any reward. I’m also used to having stats be level across everyone so it was always people’s skill to decide things.

I don’t think you’ll get much of an answer when you’re askin them to commit to a position so far in the future.