Guild Wars 2

No one knows how to play better than the players. The dev’s input is more for people who are new to it.

Ricky.4706:

heh, this is another example of pve-pvp vs competitive pvp – in pve /pvp – it’s dishonorable, in competitive pvp it’s brilliant :p

in pve/pvp – it’s about what players agree is fair – in competitive pvp – all the game allows is fair game

Hear that everybody? Ricky’s tellin us to rez mesmers through gates. Let’s get on it.

titanlectro.5029:

styx.7294:

I’d say my only complaint about this match up is this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/WvW-Environmental-Abuse

Whether ArenaNet punishes or doesn’t fix whatever is up for a debate I’m not interested in having here.

I’m not gonna generalize about the server or everyone in the guild but this is on the heads of the guild leadership.

So, I just wanna say, WZ, stop being that guild. I always remembered you as the organized guild on FC who had that champ of a norn guardian with juggernaut. But now you’re the guild who on purpose has your mesmers die at the gate so you can come back and rez them.

Wow…

Well, I mean, this sorta thing isn’t super rare. You’ll now and then see random folk doin it and I wouldn’t comment normally but I think if the big guilds can set the example we’ll at least do right. WZ are big presence in WvW down in this league, I just wanted to say I’d hope they can help keep our WvW clean and fun.

I’d say my only complaint about this match up is this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/WvW-Environmental-Abuse

Whether ArenaNet punishes or doesn’t fix whatever is up for a debate I’m not interested in having here.

I’m not gonna generalize about the server or everyone in the guild but this is on the heads of the guild leadership.

So, I just wanna say, WZ, stop being that guild. I always remembered you as the organized guild on FC who had that champ of a norn guardian with juggernaut. But now you’re the guild who on purpose has your mesmers die at the gate so you can come back and rez them.

melodey.4652:

styx.7294:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Solstice.1097:

Victoitor.2917:

HoD player here. Looked at mos.millenium score and envied your fight. Came to post about it.

meh its just gom and DH focusing us. something I wish servers would do more often but it sucks to be on the receiving end.

It’s my birthday weekend. GW2 can wait!

Not gonna lie, visions of 1st place swimming in our heads!

Happy birthday Taquito, GoM is in first! I will give you a warm celebratory smack on the head with my weapons as a gift next time I see you <3

Also it’s totally my bday tomorrow cough so DH can be first next, Y/Y?

Happy cough belated birthday!

Bllade.1029:

Oh how I am looking forward to the SF/GoM/HoD match.

Gonna be a kitten storm.

Henge of Denravi is a server close to my heart! =)

losieight.4807:

The heal sucks, i doubt anyone will use it.

On another note, has anyone seen the new foods and sigil they came out with to buff condition? It is ridiculous.

What new food and sigil?

I feel like these two pretty girls are fightin over me and I can’t get a word in and I’m just blushin with all the attention!

Mel got our back!

More recruit threads we got the better, Chris. Tier 1 servers have like 10 each! Gotta spam them out!

Devon.9061:

I don’t know what just happened but I believe this will sum that speech up.

Hm, no, I think it’s more likely you just had animal sex on the mind.

clint.5681:

styx.7294:

clint.5681:

Cameron.6450:

clint.5681:

This is the reason SF has those huge numbers: http://i.imgur.com/7jwJJB6.jpg

That… Is just…

The single best recruitment post I’ve ever seen. If you weren’t already winning the league, that recruitment drive would do it.

Thank you good sir

That’s a great poster but (this is a lil’ too much Kayne West) so far I think Devona’s Rest had the best recruitment post of all time with their video. And it didn’t help them any =(

Game is just kittened up and keeps pressurin people to transfer up.

Excited about facin Sorrow’s Furnace. That’ll be week 4.. probably our worst one, haha.

Ahh I haven’t seen the video can you link it? And yeah I can wait for that match either

Sadly, they made it private.

Devona’s Rest seemed like it had it goin on. DDLG was doin the big group stuff, AD+friends were doin the small man stuff. Lotsa videos comin out of the server givin it publicity.

Their forum was pretty barren though. Maybe they weren’t engagin with each other? Dunno

I think this would be a fantastic and fresh change for season 2:

Where instead of 3 servers fightin the servers are split by 3 colours and fight each other with WvW guesting allowed to servers within your colour.

Just transfer. If it helps you digest it, it’s like quitting the game ’cept you get to still have WvW fun.

clint.5681:

Cameron.6450:

clint.5681:

This is the reason SF has those huge numbers: http://i.imgur.com/7jwJJB6.jpg

That… Is just…

The single best recruitment post I’ve ever seen. If you weren’t already winning the league, that recruitment drive would do it.

Thank you good sir

That’s a great poster but (this is a lil’ too much Kayne West) so far I think Devona’s Rest had the best recruitment post of all time with their video. And it didn’t help them any =(

Game is just kittened up and keeps pressurin people to transfer up.

Excited about facin Sorrow’s Furnace. That’ll be week 4.. probably our worst one, haha.

I’m fine with all the ranks, ’cept the guard buffs. What is that, like 200 hours of game time so that 1 of your characters can have stats on par with someone else?

Yaro.3251:

Tibstrike.2974:

Yaro.3251:

Tibstrike.2974:

Yaro.3251:

ViRiD.2784:

I don’t know any other class that would give up their heals for this ability. Maybe […] Guardians might it find it slightly useful

Shelter is just too good, so I’m not sure.

Not even just Shelter. I really like the signet. Great way to reset a fight when you can heal for like 9k easy.

I mean the torment cleanse would be nice but imo ks just not worfh the loss of the other two healing skills.

Yeah signet builds can benefit from it but guardians have other sources of healing and, well, you don’t need to heal damage you didn’t receive so 2 secs of block can do wonders if used properly. Coupled with traits that proc from blocks it becomes even stronger.

I was talking about Signet of Resolve mainly. It’s the only signet I run. I use it as an “oh kitten” button if the initial clash doesn’t go well for me. Shelter is nice, but sometimes you just get the short end of the AoE stick and need to rapidly heal up. I don’t really trait for blocks so Shelter is only useful to me in rare occasions. Its a great skill and I use it for roaming a great deal.

Sure, I was talking about heal signet too.

Not to derail the thread, but 1sec cast time is not really “oh kitten button”. Any channel skill that doesn’t have build-in anti-cc isn’t. Shelter though protects your channel with block. Even without traiting for blocks it rocks.

Let’s just agree to disagree and be done with it

P.S. Guardians do not have oh kitten button. They have oh kitten piano with virtues, shouts and Renewed Focus

I love shelter and renewed focus but neither of them are a stun breaker. You can totally spend seconds alive with both of them available and die. Shelter, fine but renewed focus is one of the few elites in the game that’s just plain worse than other classes’ utilities (in my opinion it should be the other way around!).

My analysis

The worst part about population imbalances (and how it got so ridiculously bad) is that all the transfers are goin up tiers.

How we got here

-game launched, servers that had drama fell apart and transfers to the servers that didn’t have drama and/or had good coverage
-free transfers ended, so people transferred up tiers while it was free
-transfers aren’t free ’cept if you have a big guild and you wanna go to tier 1, so lots of guilds find it afford to move up tiers
-WXP means people in higher tiers are richer
-leagues resulted in mass transfers to tier 1
-new overflow map will probably only be the playground of servers that have queues
-all this means small servers are getting smaller, emptier, so people get lonely and transfer up tiers

The last point is especially important so I will expand on it:
Right now transfers from the low tiers are people who aren’t leaving ‘cause of drama, they’re people who find your game depressing. People in tier 1 who say “I don’t want to transfer and so shouldn’t to” to them I say “I’ve seen lots of guilds who didn’t want to transfer transfer because the game is forcing them to. Surprise, that’s the kitten we’re in”

My idea for a solution

Some inequality is okay, some people do actually like less smaller communities so decide on acceptable inequalities, some sort of max level of population and some sort of min level.

Now:
-make transfers to servers with WvW populations above that max level impossible.
-make transfers to servers with WvW populations below that min level free.
-scale transfer costs for servers between those two levels.

Eventually the server WvW populations will level themselves out. Most importantly it won’t get worse because as things are right now it will get worse and “dead servers” will actually get dead.

Solstice.1097:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

madchatter.7964:

Solstice.1097:

Victoitor.2917:

HoD player here. Looked at mos.millenium score and envied your fight. Came to post about it.

meh its just gom and DH focusing us. something I wish servers would do more often but it sucks to be on the receiving end.

o.O Last night, we kept hopping back and forth between bay and hills because we had a zerg from each server on our map… in this close of a matchup, I’d say all three servers will feel focused.

I’m going to back that up with SCIENCE and squiggly lines. Every possible combination of a double-team has already happened with each server taking turns being the victim. FC seems to have gotten hit really bad on that last one, though.

This morning is Gom’s turn. Fun being in 1st place yea? 10 PPT ouch

Awesome, the match isn’t decided yet!

Not sure if I’ll get to play though. Work and car trouble gettin me down =(

Solstice.1097:

Victoitor.2917:

HoD player here. Looked at mos.millenium score and envied your fight. Came to post about it.

meh its just gom and DH focusing us. something I wish servers would do more often but it sucks to be on the receiving end.

Not gonna lie, visions of 1st place swimming in our heads!

Atherakhia.4086:

Zosk.5609:

Who knows why you’d skip straight to punishing players when Arenanet hasn’t even nicely asked people to move from Gold to Bronze servers yet.

I mean forget incentives, they haven’t even asked or encouraged the behavior….

They should be picking select (or all) bronze league servers and giving free goody bags or gems to anybody willing to go…. also if they could travel back in time 6 months to do this that would be awesome!

Or open up direct transfers instead of free for all transfers.

You know:

BG -> FC free for 1 week.
JQ -> DH free for 1 week.
etc etc.

See how many take advantage of this and then do it again if needed.

I would like to give this a shot.

WvW is a big place for all sorts of thing. While I respect GvG folk, I don’t think it’s the end all of WvW.

Some of the most famous GvG guilds server hop endlessly and well, I don’t think that’s what makes WvW healthy.

Bllade.1029:

I blame Obama for these match-ups.

Obama made you tank?

has his disapproving eye on you, Henge of Denravi, only because he cares

Sreoom.3690:

Deffe.2967:

This is like most bizarre suggestion ever.

How can you even think that devs would give you benefits because you lack SKILL to play.

Because most of the people playing grew up in the world of “Everyone gets a trophy” and “Leave no child behind”.

For a second, I had a brief flash of a response about the lack of skill of people in upper tiers who go around in large groups but then I realized I was about to turn into PAXA.

I.. I.. think I need to step away for the forums for a bit.

WamSolf.5021:

styx.7294:

Lina.9640:

To all SBI complaining about queues, the transfer server button is thataway.

To be fair, I think half of Stormbluff Isle is very familiar with the transfer button.

forever disappoint

Styx don’t be like that! Gate of Madness will always have a special place in RISE’s heart! <3 RH

Hmph! I love you guys too but still forever disappoint and it’s not just you guys. Lotsa guilds here are missin from cool bronze league ‘cause they thought "We definitely don’t wanna bandwagon but we’d just think it be nicer if we had some music to listen to and didn’t have to walk all the time".

Anyway, don’t mind me!

You guys think a lot about queues, don’t you?

Lina.9640:

To all SBI complaining about queues, the transfer server button is thataway.

To be fair, I think half of Stormbluff Isle is very familiar with the transfer button.

forever disappoint

If Darkhaven and Ferguson’s Crossing are anythin like Gate of Madness, all smiles in our super close match up!

The other matches though don’t look as good though =(

Dunno about fights here but the ones in the game are good =) Matches like this are always a blast

This issue is important and needs to be addressed! There needs to be an incentive to spread people out.

The history of WvW development so far:

WvW ranks reward people for transferrin to more blobby fights.

Leagues moved dozens of guilds into higher tiers.

New map is not going to help.

Arius.7031:

What clint said lol.

We’re still going to beat you though <3.

Need more points if you’re gonna do that! =)

Skill lag and overflow WvW maps are very far down my list of cares.

Yaro.3251:

styx.7294:

I dunno, why do they put training wheels on bicycles?

Because that’s for kids who only learn how to ride and there’s no competition?

You are not asking for a bicycle with training wheels, you are asking for an off-roader with autopilot for mountain bike competition. Except that everyone will have them and those who know the ins and outs of it will have even more advantage over you since they know when to switch autopilot off and cut the corner to get there quicker.

Flawed analogies are flawed…

Omne is a pretty good player in a pretty good guild that is dedicated and loyalty to their server beyond 90% of the players in this game. If he’s got ideas on how to drum up participation and get people involved in WvW and keep our lower tiers from turning into graveyards, I definitely think we should hear it.

That’s great, but he seem to be new to WvW otherwise he would spot instantly what could go wrong with this WvW line. We heard the ideas, we discussed/criticized it. What’s wrong with that?

Apparently it’s a joke thread! He’s not at all new to WvW and if he had stayed in bronze tier, his guild mighta been the best one there.

Omne.4603:

http://tinyurl.com/5xrld2

I just want to thank everyone in this thread for participating.

Hahaha throws popcorn! Boo for wastin my time!

I still think WvW builds are a lil’ too unbalanced though!

Deffe.2967:

This is like most bizarre suggestion ever.

How can you even think that devs would give you benefits because you lack SKILL to play.

I dunno, why do they put training wheels on bicycles? Do you even understand what you’re saying or do you come from a place where it’s all “Hey, I think I’m so good and played the game for a year, gimme stats”.

Omne is a pretty good player in a pretty good guild that is dedicated and loyalty to their server beyond 90% of the players in this game. If he’s got ideas on how to drum up participation and get people involved in WvW and keep our lower tiers from turning into graveyards, I definitely think we should hear it.

Omne.4603:

styx.7294:

Jakare.6807:

There are entire PvP servers in other MMOs where your level 2 character can be destroyed by a guy at max level fully geared out

Just ‘cause PvE games are bad at PvP doesn’t mean this one has to be too.

PvP is player versus player not spreadsheet against spreadsheet.

This is an mmo, not an rts or an fps, there will always be an element of gear and stat superiority.

People can specialize and stuff but everyone should have the same pool of stats to work with (like I don’t mind specialization, like that you can build big DPS with exotic gear or big tank, that’s fun but I do mind when PvP is like some guy who has 2x better everything than someone else). Builds and stat allocation I would consider PvP, where you are playing against the meta and building a team. But grinding your stats higher is just a plain PvE exercise.

Jakare.6807:

There are entire PvP servers in other MMOs where your level 2 character can be destroyed by a guy at max level fully geared out

Just ‘cause PvE games are bad at PvP doesn’t mean this one has to be too.

PvP is player versus player not spreadsheet against spreadsheet.

Henge of Denravi, why can’t you be more like Northern Shiverpeaks?

forever disappoint

Zehnchu.4985:

styx.7294:

Not everyone on the server can buy even 1 camp upgrades.

You mean to tell me they don’t earn silver and karma in WvW they can only earn badges? That is laughable excuse.

I mean that you can upgrade camps only so often and there’s probably more players than that and especially since they’re clustered around prime time not everyone may have the chance to upgrade a camp, let alone do it something like 10 or 30 times (and upgrading a camp isn’t always desirable either).

Zehnchu.4985:

styx.7294:

I know that whenever anyone’s like “I’m going to buy something with my badges” I give them a stern rebuke “No, you mustn’t. That doesn’t contribute to WvW”.

Where are the carrots for purchasing upgrade for camps, keeps and castles? oh those aren’t personal carrots.

Not everyone on the server can buy even 1 camp upgrades.

Edit: I’m just poking fun. I think people are bein too humourless about the achievements (clearly guard slayer is just an attendance check) but I’m sure they could have been done better.

Upham.6137:

Omne.4603:

With WvW exclusive finishers and MUCH higher ranks required this wouldn’t be a bad idea.

“MUCH higher ranks” means that only players who zerg and don’t play alts would get them.

Could tie it to the achievement system (once it’s fixed). That way even small group activity or even defensive activity would put you on the track.

I’d like finishers, indeed. The sPvP ones are nice enough that I don’t mind using them and they’re super easy to unlock.

Radian.2478:

Omne.4603:

Radian.2478:

Well, after next week is over, my server is going to get face rolled until the WvW season is over and it’s not even going to be close. I want to get more WxP for my character that I command on to buy more of the ranks so I would like to know which server you guys think is a good server, given the league match ups, for getting the most WxP. I don’t need money or karma, just WxP (which typically comes with WxP anyway I guess). I am thinking either the top one or two servers in the silver or bronze league. I don’t play for a lot of consecutive hours, it’s mostly just an hour a day or so which means I can’t be waiting on queues. I am leaning towards transferring to the bronze league but I’m not sure if I’ll be able to generate many numbers there. However, there would be less enemies in the opposition to make up for this. I am actually pretty effective at karma training even with small groups because I can just drop a superior ram and get on it with my T3 ram mastery or drop two superior rams as the group gets bigger. I also have traveler runes which allows me to take undefended keeps with small groups pretty quick when I just build a golem at the nearest supply camp. What server do you guys recommend?

People like this are a large part of the problem with WvW. This is sad.

Nope, I just play WvW for fun.

Don’t mistake easy for fun.

Zehnchu.4985:

Siphaed.9235:

mako.2431:

I cannot stand the way MMO’s introduce carrots in the form of so called content these days. WvW in and of itself has not changed, but the introduction of these achievements has turned me off big time. I really wish ANet would introduce true content changes instead of tossing carrots around for us to chase.

Seems this is the only formula MMO’s know these days, carrots, carrots, and more carrots. But the real problem is there are too many MMO players out there who are willing to chase them.

“You make what you perceive.”

Basically, you’re making your own carrot chase by seeing things as one. Why not just WvW and enjoy it for what it is: Fights against other players using ground fights and siege warfare.

The achievements will come to those that just play the game normally. You’ve got many weeks to obtain them while just completing the content at a fairly moderate pace.

Nothing requires you to just keep trying to “chase the carrot” except your own mentality.

You should have finished reading and no stopped after carrot.

I used to enjoy PvE till the living word Achievements destroyed it, because the content beyond that was completed in the first day the only driving force was to complete the achievements for the rewards so don’t fool yourself saying otherwise.

So I turned to WvW and made it my new home and no longer cared about the PvE sise of things, I haven’t done any achievement driven content since. The whole scarlet dungeon isn’t content it’s achievements content going to the same place doing the same thing in the same area nothing new, I was in WvW the whole time.

These Season one achievements were not planed out and what is coming Areanets bad habit it was poorly introduced. It is ruining WvW for me and taking the last part of enjoyment from the game I like.

People didn’t transfer to our sever they transferred from our sever. It’s on going joke in WvW that all the PvEers only come to WvW when they knew we didn’t face top tier severs so they could come in and get their map completion and then they never returned and Q’s times where not even as bad as they are now.

Now it’s 3+ hours just to get in and not even be in there with people I have played with for months because they can’t get in. Even with GvG’ers Q times where not this bad. The only thing that is driving this influx is the carrot = achievements once these people have their carrot we will not see them for the next 6 weeks. So Anet added another problem to WvW.

WvW’ers like me put time, effort, gold, badges, karma in to WvW. And to lose a full T3 tower,keep,castle to people only there for the carrot hurt’s those who put time in to it day after day after day.

Like last night Carrot hunters drained supply from SMC to fix the walls which stalled the upgrade to T2 walls, then they drained the keeps supply to fix SMC walls. This create a huge problem since no one now ticks siege us who spend money lose money when it despawns and have to drop more siege to defend and there is no supply to build siege because carrot hunters want to complete their achievements.

Achievements that don’t contribute to WvW
Big Spender
Sentry Capturer Extraordinaire
Sapphire Leaper in the Mists
Guard Slayer
Mists Merc Camp Vanquisher
Master of Ruins
Seasonal Mists Defense Restorer
Obsidian Leaper in the Mists
Emerald Leaper in the Mists
Garnet Leaper in the Mists

People who put time, effort, gold, badges, karma in to WvW day after day, week after week no matter the match up even when facing two tier one severs should get the rewards and not carrot hunters. They need to make requirements time based and make those who want it chose. For us WvW we chose WvW.

Sorry for the wall of text, I didn’t plan for it to be this long but there is just so much wrong and frustration.

I know that whenever anyone’s like “I’m going to buy something with my badges” I give them a stern rebuke “No, you mustn’t. That doesn’t contribute to WvW”.

I think mechanically what could be done to make it more friendly is reduce the extremeness that comes with some builds.

People say skills win blah blah blah but let’s face it, there are bunker builds that can’t get killed my a ton of builds, let alone scaled up characters. Food buffs are crazy, they only push builds to extremes (super glass, super tank, super condi resistant, super DPS). The WXP guard buffs don’t help.

I feel like buffin the downed state just admits to the idea that the live skill play is dysfunctional and someone who isn’t geared for WvW should be playing an alternative thing instead. (70% cooldown on downed skills is too crazy, could you ever spike a thief?)

I absolutely agree helping people integrate into WvW (any PvP activity is intimidating.. I find PvP intimidating myself even though I’ve done it on many games for thousands of hours) is crucial. What I’d like to do is maybe help people access these tools ingame. Maybe there can be a button you press ingame to get to your server’s voice chat or forums! We’ve been advertisin that stuff on our server for months but still lots of people don’t know. People could just vote on what the site is for each server and those homed on that server would instantly have the address to it (verification to secure areas would still be handled the same). That’s one super easy step: just give people links to the communities! Help them connect with each other.

I feel it’s pretty hard to reach out to people outside your guild on a server right now.

My guild (a fairly serious WvW guild) has been recruitin folk who are under 1k achievement points for a few months now (my server doesn’t have a big pool of experienced WvW players to choose from) and it’s basically trial by fire roaming with them while they have no 80s, don’t yet know their skills, are strugglin to learn builds, and are fightin outmanned with us against people who are really buffed out.

BlazeQ.1095:

Peetee.9406:

I plan on moving my 2nd account into silver league. My only fear is having no one to play with as I’m an off hours player.

There will be people to play with, you just need to seek them out.

Silver league you’ll be fine.

You do realize there is a schedule…?

You’re up against Ehmry Bay and Stormbluff Isle next.

Omne.4603:

oZii.2864:

Incoming anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Do you guys base that on previous anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias? =)

Thorson.9218:

styx.7294:

Thorson.9218:

Dovgan.8605:

http://www.gw2score.com/index.php?action=home Actually found this site when MoS was down one day, really like all the extra data.

The data is pretty revealing. AR’s BL is targeted 10% more than all of EB……

If this is what you’re looking at: http://www.gw2score.com/index.php?action=server&id=Anvil%20Rock

I think it means your server focuses more on your own borderland than EB and on the other 2 borderlands the least (which makes sense to me).

Ah, yeah I think you’re right. I went into each of GOM and DR, and it shows a pretty even split of time spent in your BL vs. EB. The title “Borderland Focus” is a bit confusing.

Great data though. Thanks Dov.

Edit: It does show DR spends an “unusual” amount of time in AR’s BL as compared to GOMs. Interesting……

Anvil Rock is the host with the most!

Thorson.9218:

Dovgan.8605:

http://www.gw2score.com/index.php?action=home Actually found this site when MoS was down one day, really like all the extra data.

The data is pretty revealing. AR’s BL is targeted 10% more than all of EB……

If this is what you’re looking at: http://www.gw2score.com/index.php?action=server&id=Anvil%20Rock

I think it means your server focuses more on your own borderland than EB and on the other 2 borderlands the least (which makes sense to me).

Dovgan.8605:

AR plays quite a bit, according to statistics. I mean our Bay has been flipped over 117 times and our hills has been flipped over 128 times since reset. Closest Borderland keep has been flipped 30 times. Speldan has been flipped 594 times since reset, almost 100 times more than any blue or green camp in Eternal. So yes, I would say AR must be playing.

I’m curious to know where those statistics can be found? That’s some pretty neat data

XAssumption.9540:

lordkrall.7241:

Well, what would be the point of a competition if there were no rewards for winning?

Should they remove the price for winning NHL as well, since not all teams are equal?

Nope. I’ll just join the best team. Everyone wins, right? No problem there?

The problem is no one has a team.

How much sense would the Stanley Cup make if the players could join whatever team they wanted whenever they want (even mid-match!)?