Just gonna leave this here. This was without Sic ’Em and with a 30/25/0/15 build. I missed out on 45% worth of damage modifiers for my cat. QQ
between 4k-6k is 4k?? , and you need all your utilities ?? to hit for 4k 2-3 times each 45/60 sec? 14 k if we sum your damage(axe #5(4sec cast)) and the damage of your cat—>1eviscerate,1/4 100b and you have all your utilities in cd and you think we are in a good position
It’s really hard to stay calm while talking to somone such short minded like you … I’ll say it a last time, in baby language, idc if you finally get it or not:
Warrior damage = bambam by weapon + bannerbuffs
Ranger damage = less bambam by weapon + spirit / spotter
Warrior damage > Ranger damage
Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Warrior = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners.
Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Ranger = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners + 1x spirit / spotter.
1x spirit / spotter > the differene of the warrior bambam and the ranger bambam.
Do – you – under – stand – now? O.O
You know that Warriors SKill have better Coef than ranger skills no?? you can hit for 35k+ easy with a 100b , a ranger CANT hit for that amount.
GS and axe + (insert here any weapon) warrior is probably the best dps in the game, 2 Warrior can out dps 1 warrior + 1 ranger and perhaps 1 warrior + 2 rangers, sad, but true.
ranger can do decent ranged dps compared to other classes ranged dps. The problem is that ranged dps is nowhere near melee dps in this game.
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it is hard to understand that ranger damage is bad??other classes have more damage to offer, so, in a dps run like GW2 you will chosee pure dps classes
2 warriors deal more damage than 2 rangers, yes. And since you’ve made this comparison I know you don’t get what I was talking about -> passive damage…
Even if your main is a ranger and you have been at fotm 50 (I am too, it’s nothing to boast with) or pvp / wvw wich has nothing to do with pve damage setups … it just seems that you have played the ranger “wrong” or have been blindfolded by the invisible part you do. Ranger UP … no.
Read my post again and think about it once more, maybe you’ll get it sometime.
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xDD no, i cant get it because you are wrong, in term of PVE dps ranger is WORST than warrior with or without buff, if you cant see it ok, but it is a fact, but sure you are right and ALL PEOPLE IS STUPID FOR CHOOSE WARRIORS OVER RANGERS when they want to run dungeons.
And here we see a common “I just ignored passive damage in return of big fat numbers”.
Seriously, no they aren’t.
a damage CANT be passive, perhaps a buff.
and sry if you are playing a different Game but now, in GW2, PVE is a DPS Race.
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I’ll make an easy example for you:
Team A:
3 randoms with a dps of 5’000, a warrior with a dps of 7’000 and a ranger with a a dps of 5’000. This team has a DpS of 27’000.
Team B:
3 randoms with a dps of 5’000, two warriors with a dps of 7’000. This team has a DpS of 29’000.
But the adventage of Team A is that they got a ranger, wich can create a frost spirit and spotter for about +10% damage. So his team now has a DpS of 29’700 due the Rangers PASSIVE DAMAGE.
My god … even if it’s just a silly example, how can you say “passive damage does not exist” … It’s what the game counts on: might, vlunerability, aoe % dmg and crit buffs in general, time warp, aegis and heals for not having to dodge or recover to deal more damage etc etc etc.
I beleve you are a main warrior yourself, aren’t you?
A DAMAGE CANT BE PASSIVE, youa re buffing them with damage.
And dude, you can cry high and loud but 2 warriors with axe and greatsword have more damage than 2 or 3 ranger with your “passive” buffs, tbh perhaps only with axe AA 2 warriors have more dps than 2 o 3 rangers….
And my main is ranger, but im not blind, i can see that ranger need more buffs, im lvl 50 fractals with ranger, i did all the content with ranger, i play spvp and WvW ranger, but i know that ranger class is UP.
Ill say Guardian is easier than Warrior unless theyre both full zerk.
Anyway, just because I LIKE the class, and enjoy playing the class doesnt mean I cant speak the truth. Just because I know there are things wrong with it doesnt mean I cant play it. If thats how it is, than literally everyone would just play guardian and warrior, which is the case for the most part anyway. I like the Ranger simply because of lore, I like rogues and archers and rangers etc but the Ranger in this game is very similar to the Warrior, just worse in every way. I mean kitten, dont put in the description of the class how good Rangers are with bows if the Warrior is 10x better with the kittenen Longbow. I dont like comparing everything to Warrior, but its the class Ranger is most similar too. I mean kitten, cant we swap the rangers longbow skills with the Warrior? Or the GS skills? I think we only have them beat on War horn. 1HS is a toss up. And I dont “main” any class anymore, I play them all pretty equal, but Ranger and Mesmer are my favorites
I get what you’re trying to say. It’s just you said Rangers are garbage, when they’re totally not. Even if they’re not as good as other classes, they’re far from garbage.
Ranger are not garbage, but they are not the best dpsers, or have the best armor, or have the best class mechanic, etc….
Spotter, Frost Spirit, AoE revive for bad days, reflection, pull, buffing kitty, good damage – yea, I guess the ranger is pretty ok for a party. I prefer ranger + warrior over 2 warriors. It’s a huge damage increase.
2 warriors are better for party than 1 ranger + 1 warrior , in terms of damage.
Ranger just has one of the steepest learning curve. You have to actually learn to play your class before being effective…unlike warrior, guardian or necros that can be played somewhat effectively with very poor knowledge of the class (i know, i also play those 3 classes from time to time).
You need to know your class well, timings, positioning, etc.
Most people aren’t ready for this since gw2 is so casual friendly. But it’s not that hard actually, it’s much easier than playing old school MMOs like everquest…
As long as there is no change to the combat log to make it useful, we can’t really say that a class is “underperforming” as we have no evidence of it. I’m pretty sure rangers are not due to my own experience and discussions with top wvw rangers however.
If your pet need 10 sec to use f2 ,skill means nothing…..
4-6k with a cat is easy to get with 0 in Beastmastery…
so, you are saying than your cat hit for 4-6k to lvl 80 bosses/mobs with 30%crit damage??pics pls.
Nature magic in a Damage build?
Pve with a good team and then you’ll see it. Yes, Nature Magic in a damage build (20/25/0/25) because Fortifying Bond shares boons you get with your pet (no brainer – stack Might much?) and 5% damage increase for you and your pet when you have a boon. Add in good teams that also stack vulnerability and if you want, Sic ’Em. Again, not that hard to get a cat hitting for 4-6k with 0 in Beastmastery in Pve, even on bosses.
So, your cat hit for 4-6k due to your team or to your build?? i tried and you cant hit for 4-6k , you must have 25 stack of power+ 25 stack of weakness, and i really doubt that your pet hit for more than 4k.
A warrior/thief have more damage than you and your cat only with AA, a berserker ele have more damage and have more team support than ranger, and engi have more raw damage than ranger,a berserker mesmer have more damage than you with phantasm,kitten a berserker Guardian have more damage than ranger…. sry but, now, it is true that parties dont need rangers.
- i have the Feeling the most People who are against rangers…are rangers themselfes. There is so much QQ about stuff that isnt needed. Rangers are strong, but crying around how weak we are. Its like in School “who hates themself cant expect that others love him”
- Some rangers just Play incredible bad. Some PvE Players at start never learned to dodge. PewPew from far away made it useless to learn. The risen were dead before they got too Close. But we should expect that Players who played the game few months are able to dodge?
-selfish rangers – Okay i dont want to say that just rangers are selfish, other classes can be selfish too. But why r some rangers Standing behind, see that his mates get down and never mind to revive? Thats a Problem, instead of helping they think they can kill the Mob/Foe/Champ alone and die atleast. Thats for sure a reason why many Player hates them. Standing safe behind and dont mind to help
- underestimating their own class.
Rangers can be so strong and have so much potential. But our class is not easy mode. We Need to learn and move.
Now i have the Feeling when we loose a fight the most ranger go online here and call for nerfs of other classes.
And when we have a strong build, so strong that ist going to be too strong (BM and Spirit) the most cant accept that and discuss and flame around.
What do u think about Warrior who say they are balanced and should Need a buff instead of a nerf? Or PU mesmer who wants all boons at once?
U wouldnt like them because they cant accept that they are too strong. The same procedure we can see here.
BM was a strong build until Anet nerfed it to the ground, spirits?? play a spirit ranger and you will know how to kill him easy.
Ranger is a underperforming Class due to Anet Balance team.
not for pve, or pets can be alive in most fights, sure some boss attacks/mechanic are not very easy for the pet, but if you know when to doge/swap your pet can be alive in over 90% of the fights and a cat that crits for 4-6k auto attack is not a rnd dmg factor
you talk about PVE, i talk about WvW or Spvp.
In PvE rangers weapon with most dps is the Sword.
PD:if your pet hit for 4-6k you MUST have a BM build and YOUR damage is laughable.
and again… ranger = range (“Rangers are unparalleled archers” – Anet)
we are decent at melee also.
decent means we are under average melee damage.
nope, we are fine, not like ele or guard but we are rly okay
we are a medium armor class, with medium hp pool, and average melee damage, and our class mechanic have 30% of our damage, if you hit a player with GS #2 you hit with 70% of your real strenght ,this is the real problem ,30% of our damage is RANDOM.
For those that say Ranger’s aren’t suppose to be the best at range, ANet not only has the class description saying that ranger’s are suppose to take down their foes at range but in one of the talks they did, they said ranger’s are suppose to be the ‘best’ ranged fighting class in the game. (or something to that effect, if I find the clip I’ll post it).
……a mesmer with a greatsword have the same range than LB without traits,
GW2 common sense.
Arragorn/Legolas were a rangers too. Warriors have a rifle and a bow they should be “masters of all weapons” which is including range weapons too.
No ranged weapon is doing melee dps in this game (not even Elementalists staff).
Rangers in GW2 are the guardians of forest and nature, they use pets and nature magic aswell. The are not a classic “bow only” pew pew class like archers/hunters in most other games.
If u want to play usefull range dps u should play another game. Sad (and i don´t like it at all) but true.
we have 2 bows, SB WAS very good, but Anet nerf it to the ground, LB is bad ,really bad, a bit better now but SB have more dps yet.
You cant change your build to each enemy in WvW ……..
i know. that is the only problem the ranger currently has ( + missing aoe dmg ). only thing i do is to change 1-2 utilities and maybe a weapon and bufffood, depending on the enemy i spot on the horizon
makes a lot of things easier
yes, you can change 1 or 2 utilities but you cant change your traits, so….
If you can’t survive with a Ranger you’re doing it wrong.
If you think they have the same range as other professions you’re wrong.
If you think they can’t tick 16k with Rapid Fire you’re also wrong.
L2P.
16k with rapid fire? you must have zero defense dude, or perhaps you hit a upleveled player, ofc, you can kill Upleveled player with a ranger.
It is a fact that , when both players have same skill, ranger class is the worst.
you have no idea
Im sure have more idea with rangers than you, ranger need a rebalance skill patch, all of their skills have less coef. due to the pet, the pet is a “random” damage ,if another class hit you, he will hit you with a 100% of his/her damage, if you hit him/her you will with 70% of your damage, when your enemy is skilled it is really easy to kite the pet.
Ascended gear? oh yes, our pets dont scale with our stats so each time Anet give to the players a new set of weapon/armors with better damage , we lost damage.
If you can’t survive with a Ranger you’re doing it wrong.
If you think they have the same range as other professions you’re wrong.
If you think they can’t tick 16k with Rapid Fire you’re also wrong.
L2P.
16k with rapid fire? you must have zero defense dude, or perhaps you hit a upleveled player, ofc, you can kill Upleveled player with a ranger.
It is a fact that , when both players have same skill, ranger class is the worst.
I always facepalm when people say the ranger shouldn’t have a pet.
They don’t realise how much rebalancing, new trait and new skills it would require.
GW1 ranger IS better than GW2 ranger.
What does that have to do with what I wrote? Nothing. Zero.
I didn’t even say anything about Gw1.
You can choose to have pet or not in Gw1, you CANT choose in GW2.
Because the ranger was designed to be a mix of several spec togueter in mind however the designer at first aimed for a beast master (it even could have had the name if not for the fact the class is able to do a lot of stuff like the GW 1 ranger) so Pet remained the main class feature to ranger to this day and likely still will be tomorow.
If you think making pet optionnal is in their scope i think you should just switch game and look elsewhere.
i played GW2 ranger in BETA and i had a blast with him, in the release, well…. they changed it to a mix of Beastmaster and marksman , they nerfed class direct damage and add the damage to the pet, and this is the problem that rangers are facing now, 30% of our damage is random…
Every time I see a ranger ask for pets scaling off our stats, I cry a little inside..Its like they don’t know they’re asking for basically a huge nerf to themselves.
nerf? really??
if a ascended gear/weapon is supposed to have 5% more damage than exotics, ranger have a 5*0.7=3,5% damage, our skills have less damage due to our pets, if our pets dont scale with our stats we are focked (more focked)
No, pet stat scaling to armor stat is bad. They need to bump the stats of pets across the board to compensate for the release of ascended gear.
they will do nothing, Anet said they will not fix pet IA because ranger pets IA is “bound” to normal mobs and they cant change the IA for all mobs of the game, so, we have a class whose mechanic is broken.
Every time I see a ranger ask for pets scaling off our stats, I cry a little inside..Its like they don’t know they’re asking for basically a huge nerf to themselves.
nerf? really??
if a ascended gear/weapon is supposed to have 5% more damage than exotics, ranger have a 5*0.7=3,5% damage, our skills have less damage due to our pets, if our pets dont scale with our stats we are focked (more focked)
-ranger need always 30 points to have a good cleanse in pvp/wvw
-ranger is the only class of this game whose signets need to be traited for self use.
-ranger pets MUST SCALE with ranger stats.
-30% of ranger damage rely on pets, and pets AI is BAD,so, against a good player, you lose 30% of your damage.
Well I still refuse to use spirits. If only for the simple fact that I have to recast them every minute. I don’t really care how good they are otherwise, that part is just unacceptable gameplay. Add to it the fact that they can be killed and don’t give their effect permanently and I don’t see myself ever using spirits. Also, they don’t move… would almost forget that part. That’s like 4 horrible gameplay mechanics put into 1. Let me summarize it:
Sorry for the buddies who liked to play ranger as stated in the guildwars 2 website master of longbow, traps you just can’t decently compared to others class, please stick to spirits since developpers continue to think it’s the best build for the ranger (aka Water spirit)
Water spirit is a shyt heal………. HS (heal+regen+water field+condi cleanse)is one of the better heals of GW2, and with a decent group you can heal 75%+ of your party hp.
I love how even a spirit build doesn’t use the new heal…
Water spirit is bad, you must be near him to be healed, the spirit must stop to use the skill , s, zero condi cleanse and zero combo field, GG Anet, another stupid skill for rangers skill tree…..
I play thief and i never liked bow classes in any games so im not here to wine since i dont really care much…i just come here to say as thief and mesmer that Ranger class is really,really BAD.Its not focused on range (best build is axe and dagger),pets are more usefull for thiefs to use them as stealth cower then for rangers,new heal skill is just just a joke…,rangers are i think only class that has no condition clear or stability..at least when u play with bow as u should since its archer class right?And at the end i will just say that me as noob thief never lost from a ranger in WvW,i kill them more easy then i kill those npc’s that guards capture points.Anet really…game should have good balance and all classes should be equal…make range good class that mains long bow,give them some escape skill and fix those brain damaged pets.
lol even other classes get it more than some rangers here.
lol did that guy even check the wiki for info on rangers?
Nah, in the wiki you can read that rangers are goods with Bows, liars……
In wiki you can also see that we have a pet (Brown Bear) and a signet (Signet of Renewal) and a trait (EB) that all give condi cleanse, and that we have a signet (Signet of the Wild) and RAO to give us stability. all of which is viable with LB builds.
You must use 30 points in Markmanship to have the benefit of active signets , and 30 points into wilderness survival to have a random condition cleanse, ranger signets need more love……….
