Guild Wars 2

Prysin.8542:

urdriel.8496:

Prysin.8542:

SkiTz.4590:

mtpelion.4562:

Due to the timing, I assume that the Poison Master trait was already in the works when I proposed it in the CDI.

And yeah, it’s a really nice trait.

Not when you compare it to empathic bond
I agree IT COULD be a great trait, but i will never ever 100% touch it because EB is 100 times more important than a poison trait…. if this trait was in another line I could think of some uses but if you aren’t running EB in roaming/spvp scenarios, you aren’t a good ranger

If you still cling to EB you are simply a bad player or run a badly made build. EB is no longer needed (not that it was needed in the first place either).

However depending on build, yes poison master will not be worth it over EB or BS, however, if you wield a sword or shortbow, poison master > EB any day.

thinking in a different way than you , doesnt implies to be a bad player , always the same l2p shyt…….

Hey urdriel guess what!??!!

It takes skills to properly play this game. Just sayin.

Each of your posts ends with a L2P phrase, you should change a bit, you cant balance a game AROUND pro players , you must balance it AROUND average players.

Prysin.8542:

SkiTz.4590:

mtpelion.4562:

Due to the timing, I assume that the Poison Master trait was already in the works when I proposed it in the CDI.

And yeah, it’s a really nice trait.

Not when you compare it to empathic bond
I agree IT COULD be a great trait, but i will never ever 100% touch it because EB is 100 times more important than a poison trait…. if this trait was in another line I could think of some uses but if you aren’t running EB in roaming/spvp scenarios, you aren’t a good ranger

If you still cling to EB you are simply a bad player or run a badly made build. EB is no longer needed (not that it was needed in the first place either).

However depending on build, yes poison master will not be worth it over EB or BS, however, if you wield a sword or shortbow, poison master > EB any day.

thinking in a different way than you , doesnt implies to be a bad player , always the same l2p shyt…….

Sigmoid.7082:

Not sure if complaint about long range shot is legit…

Ranger is the King of Autoattack in GW2, is our best weapon “skill”….

yes, warrior need more dps……

Littlefeather.8623:

urdriel.8496:

Littlefeather.8623:

gawker.8340:

Littlefeather.8623:

I play LB Ranger, and I’m full zerk, the only one’s I have issues with are PVT, the zerk ones die. I pew pew, they get close, I barrage and push back and pew pew some more and they die.

Yea, i’m sure your movement isn’t inherently predictable. I’m almost certain you are made of sturdy stuff that won’t falter at high pressure. Also, you forgot to tell about the glory of your animal companion. The one that clawed and mauled and pursued your victims to the end of the horizon.

Unless I’m being double teamed I usually don’t have anything to worry about, and the trick is; I don’t care about dying. I can usually avoid getting spiked by good timing and they dps while I’m down anyway.

videos??

Who needs videos? .

I need videos because Full Zerker ranger is bad in 1vs1 situations against average players.

Sourde Noire.5286:

Ezeriel.9574:

I was not playing my engineer. It does not matter what class I was playing. I was at range, and not under pressure. It was a zerg v zerg moment. I was not at full health, so I will allow for the possibility of 3 stacks of vulnerability.

A burst thief can be annoying, but it’s also a one-trick pony.

what??? one trick pony ?? they can use init to spam skills………..

Littlefeather.8623:

gawker.8340:

Littlefeather.8623:

I play LB Ranger, and I’m full zerk, the only one’s I have issues with are PVT, the zerk ones die. I pew pew, they get close, I barrage and push back and pew pew some more and they die.

Yea, i’m sure your movement isn’t inherently predictable. I’m almost certain you are made of sturdy stuff that won’t falter at high pressure. Also, you forgot to tell about the glory of your animal companion. The one that clawed and mauled and pursued your victims to the end of the horizon.

Unless I’m being double teamed I usually don’t have anything to worry about, and the trick is; I don’t care about dying. I can usually avoid getting spiked by good timing and they dps while I’m down anyway.

videos??

Prysin.8542:

urdriel.8496:

Prysin.8542:

Fluffball.8307:

People just see the big numbers and think it’s good.

which is why people like warriors.

“OMG i hit 30k with killshot”
“WTF? KILLSHOT WAS REFLECTED?!?!?! OMG HAX NAB CHEESE LAME CHEATER”
“OMG enemy do no damage to me, lal”
(2 minutes later)
“WHY IS HE NOT DEAD?!?!?!?”
(25 seconds later)
“HOW DID HE KILL ME?=?!?!??!?! HAX CHEATER LAME CHEESE NAB”

naab warrior, you can cancel kill shot……or evade the reflected bullet….

warriors cannot do that, even if the game allows you to do so because warriors are played by insecure people who are afraid of a proper challenge.

Touché

wall of flesh if you use guard with a bear as pet in a wall.

Prysin.8542:

Fluffball.8307:

People just see the big numbers and think it’s good.

which is why people like warriors.

“OMG i hit 30k with killshot”
“WTF? KILLSHOT WAS REFLECTED?!?!?! OMG HAX NAB CHEESE LAME CHEATER”
“OMG enemy do no damage to me, lal”
(2 minutes later)
“WHY IS HE NOT DEAD?!?!?!?”
(25 seconds later)
“HOW DID HE KILL ME?=?!?!??!?! HAX CHEATER LAME CHEESE NAB”

naab warrior, you can cancel kill shot……or evade the reflected bullet….

Fluffball.8307:

urdriel.8496:

10k crits with LB ? what the hell did you smoke???

Probably looking at rapid fire and thinking 10k is not horribly bad damage.

10k in 5 seconds ¬¬

AIex.4105:

im a newbie as a Ranger, played as main guardian and I can say that longbow ranger is abit opish in pvp imo, climb to a spot where they cant reach you and abuse the 1500 range with the +10k crits(i dont bother cap or whatever since is PVP not “rush the forking map” as aNet wants, thats why we need deathmach not this cr4p of pvp), they try come to you? push em down and laugh at them,a thief try to ruin you? use the doble axe 5 for 8k crit and switch to longbow for other 10k, I realy enjoy ranger in pvp while I realy hate guardian now.

I always abuse the range of ranger/hunter class in mmos, is their best wepon, the key of succeding with ranger imo is to never allow ur enemy to reach you if you master that ull be OP and annoying as fork. Many ppl say that bow rangers are usless, If I wanted a mele dps I would go warrior in the first place, but yes im with OP the ranged wepons of warriors should do less damage. Warriors should be abit tunned down, now they have more HP than a guardian and most DPS in the game, not to mention serveral defensive skills that only the guardian should hav them in the first place.

unfortunatly Gw2 is not a solid mmo, there is no counters to some skills of certan clasess, take invisibility for example, in 99% of the mmos the ranger/hunter class are the ones specialized to counter that, here they do jack shlte in this game, a thief can sneak arround you whidout any risk at all.

10k crits with LB ? what the hell did you smoke???

Lightsbane.9012:

urdriel.8496:

Carighan.6758:

Counter-question:
Ranger’s Greatsword only works at close range, it deals very low damage at larger range. How is that not an issue but the inverse is for the Longbow?

you dont need larger range damage ( hi GS #4 ), you have a 1200 leap to smash bow users face, .

Counter counter question:

Why GS have cleave and LB not?

because…it’s a bow.

Lightbane, was a Ironic question, becauseCarighan said->;

Counter-question:
Ranger’s Greatsword only works at close range, it deals very low damage at larger range. How is that not an issue but the inverse is for the Longbow?

This is the first game i play where a melee weapon can hit 5 target with AA damage by default.

Carighan.6758:

Counter-question:
Ranger’s Greatsword only works at close range, it deals very low damage at larger range. How is that not an issue but the inverse is for the Longbow?

you dont need larger range damage ( hi GS #4 ), you have a 1200 leap to smash bow users face, .

Counter counter question:

Why GS have cleave and LB not?

Eurantien.4632:

Pyriall.1683:

Eurantien.4632:

YOU CAN control every pet skill, I don’t see any rangers doing it.

I’m curious…please do explain.

Granted it would be really nice if they just gave us all the skills to use but I think that might make ranger a tad OP.

oh god, RNG for the win……

NO¡¡¡

arrow cart >>>>> ranger

Jim Hunter.6821:

urdriel.8496:

Durzlla.6295:

Archon.6480:

Fluffball.8307:

Archon.6480:

No, you will loose this fight. Even with berserker, scholars, and damage runes. Decent warrior will squash you every time. You need to get in his face and beat the snot out of him. But with berserker he with clobber you in seconds with swords. You’ll need a better build for this kind of warrior in tpvp, spvp or WvW.

What the hell are you talking about? I didn’t mention any builds or strategies or anything of the sort. A warrior using only a LB is not using warrior to a high potential. Do you disagree with that?

I am talking about ranger besting warrior in PvP with LB. Go to the PvP forum or warrior forum and post that rubbish. Anyone who plays PvP a little knows that is not true.

Maybe if you’re a bad ranger… If you’re running LB + GS you should be able to handle warriors, it won’t be an EASY fight, but it’s doable, even against good warriors. It’s even easier if you’re using RaO or have a signet build and have access to SotW or other stability.

And if you can’t keep the warrior off you long enough to get a few of your max range shots… you’re a bad ranger and need to learn how to use your skills.

If you are figthing against a good warrior he will never let you kite……

What do you mean “let you kite”? Just pay attention to his boons and knock him around when stability ends. Also make them fight on your terms, if you’re having trouble run to a spot where you can use the terrain to your advantage. I think one of my favorite things is positioning myself and knocking or fearing someone off the side of a cliff to die.

it is easy to say but if he is a good warrior you will have a hard time trying to kill him throwing him from a cliff…..

Durzlla.6295:

HHR LostProphet.4801:

Durzlla.6295:

…you’re a bad ranger…
…you’re a bad ranger…

Stop it, immediately! The ranger is subpar to the warrior. Period. That doesn’t mean that the warrior always wins or that a selfclaimed proplayer is able to win the most fights as ranger vs. warriors. But it means that the warrior has to invest less skill and less effort to beat a ranger than a ranger has to invest to beat a warrior.

So your logic is “Warrior is easier to play than ranger therefore warrior is better than ranger.”, by that logic warrior is the best profession in the game because of how simple it is to play at a competent level. Got it.

Subpar ?? no….. a warrior is easy to play, you have DPS, armor, a big HP pool ,good mobility, very good traits, etc…

Durzlla.6295:

Archon.6480:

Fluffball.8307:

Archon.6480:

No, you will loose this fight. Even with berserker, scholars, and damage runes. Decent warrior will squash you every time. You need to get in his face and beat the snot out of him. But with berserker he with clobber you in seconds with swords. You’ll need a better build for this kind of warrior in tpvp, spvp or WvW.

What the hell are you talking about? I didn’t mention any builds or strategies or anything of the sort. A warrior using only a LB is not using warrior to a high potential. Do you disagree with that?

I am talking about ranger besting warrior in PvP with LB. Go to the PvP forum or warrior forum and post that rubbish. Anyone who plays PvP a little knows that is not true.

Maybe if you’re a bad ranger… If you’re running LB + GS you should be able to handle warriors, it won’t be an EASY fight, but it’s doable, even against good warriors. It’s even easier if you’re using RaO or have a signet build and have access to SotW or other stability.

And if you can’t keep the warrior off you long enough to get a few of your max range shots… you’re a bad ranger and need to learn how to use your skills.

If you are figthing against a good warrior he will never let you kite……

Ision.3207:

1. Rangers that rolled their class knowing full well that its core mechanic was a pet, and then go on to whine/QQ endlessly in the hopes of a total redesign of the class into a pet-less long-range sniper class.

2. Rangers that stubbornly refuse to play their class to its inherent strengths in Dungeons or WvW roaming, and then go on to endlessly whine/QQ in the hopes that the class receives a total redesign to suit their own preferred play-style and everyone else be kittened.

yes,yes…..all about ranger are L2P issues, ranger is the best class right now in GW2, ranger dont need better skills or traits or perhaps better synergy,all is a L2P issue.

PD:Pet is broken, now they are better than 1 patch before, but still needing fixes.

only if Anet balance all classes.

Einlanzer.1627:

urdriel.8496:

Thief or Warrior have better bow skills than Ranger.

This is a blatant lie. Thieves only have shortbows and warriors only have longbows, and both have situational applications and don’t work particularly well as primary weapons.

Rangers have both Longbows and Shortbows, and they both have a generalized design scheme that allows them to be fairly versatile and usable as primary weapons. I’m not saying that there aren’t areas that need improvement, but the only true archer in the game is unquestionably a ranger wielding a shortbow and longbow.

you should try thief and warrior bows, both are AWESOME, they have cc,control and damage.

ranger LB is a bleh…..sry to dissapoint you but this game have not an archer class archetype, ranged weapon have less damage than melee, and with one gap closer you can close 1200 in 1 sec, so, it is really hard to kite a player.

Best ranger builds are condi , bunker or a mix.

LB is supposed to be a DPS weapon, but it doesnt have any burst skill, the best damage is with Auto Attacks,and , when your enemy is under 900 SB have better DPS tan LB…..

PD: Yes , sadly, rangers are masters of Autoattack….

GrimmR.3541:

The ammount of BAD rangers!

ofc, the seven points are a L2P issue…..

Omnitek.3876:

It feels like less, but I can’t be sure personally.

Question though, the Jaguar…. When it is stealthed, the crit rate was supposed to be 100% right? Because I just noticed it isn’t anymore. Maybe I am just crazy though.

100%??no, they nerfed it in an update.

Atherakhia.4086:

You guys are blowing this entirely out of proportion. The class has very real problems, but to think people are going to change classes over this? How in the world did you make it this far…

perhaps It was the last straw for some people : P

TJV.6239:

The point of Signet of the Wild is that you get a 25% speed boost but can sacrifice that for a boost to damage. That’s what all signets are about; sacrifice. You get a boost but sacrifice it for a different, more circumstantial one. All the complaining about this skill being nerfed is ridiculous.

yes, true, but we are the only class that must spend 30 points to be affected by our signets active ability….

Thief or Warrior have better bow skills than Ranger.

shadowpass.4236:

ur not doing it right haha, if ur using lb correctly, ur enemy will have a VERY hard time closing any distance on u

you shouldn’t have to take any hit on effectiveness if they can’t close the distance on u should u? :P

If your enemy play with 2 hands he only need to use any gap closer of this game to smash your face….

1 trick pony….

The current ranger is the combination of 2 classes that Anet had in mind for GW2 ,a Beastmaster and a Marksman, Anet had not enough time to develop both classes so, they make a mix with both , that mix is called ranger.

You can use bows, but the best dps is with melee weapons.

Tragic Positive.9356:

The second Hyena also deals less damage, just so you know.
And cannot be controlled. It just spawns a friendly NPC.

have less life too.

the guardian trait that heals each roll is nerfed in Spvp, shouts too :P.

yesterday a blocked 5 times a backstab in 3 seconds, ofc the thief landed the sixth…..

zerker build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vMAQNBMhN6kRFaVxaBxhF4axAx6xe2/gYPSE/RkrQpS5XhAqXA-zUBBYfERjZmFRjtoqIas6aYKXER1BAOA43f/93f/tUAjKMC-w

Sword/warhorn and LB, you will use 90% time Melee, in FOTM sometimes i use double axe too.

shadowpass.4236:

Old thread.
Lost to the ages.
Return now.
To the front pages.

3 days

72 hours

4320 minutes

Lost to the ages??

awge.3852:

I think we should have traps that allow us to use more varied effects. You could have blast traps that would do things like apply confusion damage and daze 5 enemies in a 350 radius of it. Or a putrid trap that would create blindness and poison enemies at the same time OR cause vulnerability and weakness at the same time? (did we not learn anything from Orr). If you want to go more ‘nature’ oriented, then how about a spider web trap that would fear enemies and remove an boons on them?

You already have to sacrifice a lot to be a trapper (especially condition removal) so why not give people more options?

Something like this, sigh….

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Smoke_Trap.jpg

babazhook.6805:

urdriel.8496:

babazhook.6805:

The idea that by running into a caltrops field or into a choking gas field, one should reveal a thief is not thought out.

It a bad idea.

If I cast caltrops and then shadow refuge, why on earth should a person running into the field reveal me? It makes no sense.

>>You think its possitive when a Mark misses? “ow well it removes blind so its positive!” Really? Thats your argument?

You obviously do not comprehend. People do not generally look for Necro Marks and run into them because doing so will do the Necro more harm then it will do you.

But if a ranger cast barrage and use LB3 to stealth, he will reveal himself because barrage do damage, condition damage is damage, period.

I do not understand your statement. When a Thief uses his bow to attack with cluster bomb he is revealed.

If damage is damage period what of Ranger traps? If I trigger one as you try and use the skill you refer to, should the ranger be prevented from using saidf skill?

ANY hostile action should break stealth , in ranger/mesmer/thief/eng/etc.

babazhook.6805:

The idea that by running into a caltrops field or into a choking gas field, one should reveal a thief is not thought out.

It a bad idea.

If I cast caltrops and then shadow refuge, why on earth should a person running into the field reveal me? It makes no sense.

>>You think its possitive when a Mark misses? “ow well it removes blind so its positive!” Really? Thats your argument?

You obviously do not comprehend. People do not generally look for Necro Marks and run into them because doing so will do the Necro more harm then it will do you.

But if a ranger cast barrage and use LB3 to stealth, he will reveal himself because barrage do damage, condition damage is damage, period.

solrik.6028:

- Rangers need a big damage output boost. We’re talking 25% plus at least. We need to be feared, especially at range. Right now we are worse than a standard arrow cart.

Stopped reading there… Arrow carts wouldn’t be used if anyone was better than one…

Ofc, all people would reroll to that class ,no?? omg……

Is bad.

/15 chars

Valentin.2073:

a zerker ranger can kill a thief. i dont mean to brag but i’ve beaten a lot of thieves both in pvp and wvw. the trick is to play defensively first then get offensive after. a combo of knockback and rapid fire is very dangerous to a thief. if im gonna play a spirit ranger in pvp, a BAD thief is a free kill most of the times.

Fixed

Backstab MUST use initiative, it is stupid that one of the most powerful skill of thieves have a cost of ZERO init.

Felices Bladewing.3914:

urdriel.8496:

Felices Bladewing.3914:

Atherakhia.4086:

So when all is said and done, unless you’re standing on a wall, this is a melee dominated WvW and PvP.

fixed it for you because the term game includes PvE aswell

melee is better in pve too , sometimes you may need to use ranged weapons, but the best dps is always from melee .

depends on the situation.
i agree on soloing, leveling in generel etc.
in cases of mass-events and dungeon bosses i keep my point from my previous post

The key is cleave damage, any attack or autotack of a melee weapon will hit more than 1 enemy, if all your group use melee weapons you have a x3 or x5 “damage boost” against groups of enemies.

80% of GW2 bosses are easy to kill with melee.

And, if you use a ranged weapon you will lose a big amount of groups buffs/heals.

Felices Bladewing.3914:

Atherakhia.4086:

So when all is said and done, unless you’re standing on a wall, this is a melee dominated WvW and PvP.

fixed it for you because the term game includes PvE aswell

melee is better in pve too , sometimes you may need to use ranged weapons, but the best dps is always from melee .

Anet said they will improve Pet responsiveness in the next update, so, we can only wait…..

Prysin.8542:

urdriel.8496:

poison gm trait is bad, really bad……….

i will counter your brilliant argument by claiming you are bad.

both completely unproven statements, well maybe not the latter, both completely irrelevant before the patch hits.

A GM TRAIT that only increase the damage of a non stackable dot is bad, you can hit for 100-150 more each 2-3 secs???.

change 50% more posion damage for 50% more BLEED damage and it will be a OP trait, but 50% more posion damage is a joke….

You are really blind, Your only argument is L2P.

Mad Pig.2890:

Jelzouki.4128:

Mad Pig.2890:

Ranger can’t kill a thief. Ever.
That skill that disrupts stealth? Doesn’t work. No point having it.

It’s easy with a Mesmer or Necro however. That low health pool melts like butter under a condi Necro.

Good rangers can.

Good rangers can not kill a good thief.

+1

Erro.2784:

Poison gm might have been worth speccing for, if it had been -66% healing…

It will be one of the worst GM traits that we will have in GW2.

Eggyokeo.9705:

sminkiottone.6972:

1. Aoes buffs are capped at 5 targets and besides ele/guardians can do it better and without loosing too much attack potential.
2. Pet buffs/conditions are not reliables.

Everything we can do it can be done better by someone else, a ranger shines in small group fights (less than 5vs5), with its ability to ress/stomp + group support and single target dps.

1. what are guards/eles doing it better? cripples? fury? vigor? are we just talking about regen they do it differently and are subject to there own difficulty and they are subject to the 5 cap as well.

2. there are currently ways to to make it more reliable (pet swap, hit F3) but fair enough they are also not that flash when they are dead. Well see what the pet enhancement bring

I will conseed that rangers usefulness reduces as party sizes get bigger but in the order of 15v15 and bigger not less then 5v5. This is largely due to pet getting harder to keep alive

PvE—>Good
sPvP->Good
WvW->Roaming(Look at top tier Guilds videos , and count their rangers…….)

Best ranger builds are bunkers/regen so it is really boring to play with them in WvW.

NemesiS.6749:

urdriel.8496:

poison gm trait is bad, really bad……….

yea so i heard lol that is why i keep up the empathetic bond option open

Yep, empathic is better xDD

poison gm trait is bad, really bad……….