Guild Wars 2

Prysin.8542:

Substance E.4852:

saalle.4623:

I play thief and i never liked bow classes in any games so im not here to wine since i dont really care much…i just come here to say as thief and mesmer that Ranger class is really,really BAD.Its not focused on range (best build is axe and dagger),pets are more usefull for thiefs to use them as stealth cower then for rangers,new heal skill is just just a joke…,rangers are i think only class that has no condition clear or stability..at least when u play with bow as u should since its archer class right?And at the end i will just say that me as noob thief never lost from a ranger in WvW,i kill them more easy then i kill those npc’s that guards capture points.Anet really…game should have good balance and all classes should be equal…make range good class that mains long bow,give them some escape skill and fix those brain damaged pets.

lol even other classes get it more than some rangers here.

lol did that guy even check the wiki for info on rangers?

Nah, in the wiki you can read that rangers are goods with Bows, liars……

Kilger.5490:

urdriel.8496:

Kilger.5490:

my dps is going up significantly,

Yes?? How??? we only had a little dps increase in LB.

15-20% is significant to me, it was already great at long range. I try for long range but in spvp/wvw its not always ideal circumstances.

And I’ve been using Nature Magic IX which is now buffed (Two-Handed Training: Greatsword and spear attacks now have a 50% chance to grant fury on hit. Each attack will have 3 seconds of fury. There is also a 10-second cooldown).

With buff duration its over 40% fury uptime with Furious grip should be close to full time without even trying.

Also use the trait that Nature trait thats buffed up to 7% power, an extra 25 power isnt much but it adds up.

15% of an autoattack, and LB is bad with or without buff at short distances, so, you will change to another weapon or your enemy will troll you with your LB til you die.

Bombsaway.7198:

urdriel.8496:

Water spirit, 1,5 sec to cast spirit + 1 sec to use the skill + 1 sec to have the effect: 3,5 sec for 6k base heal…….is a focking joke….

That isn’t how it really works and misses several key things:

1. You cast it before the fight, not when you need the burst heal (this is no burst skill)
2. You then get 2 heals (every 25 seconds) where your HS is a 30 second timer.
3. You have a regen like ability with the passive that with good healing goes about 900 every 10 secs or 90 hps. The great advantage is its range at 1000.
4. When you heal you get a much bigger heal and don’t have to wait for all the ticks of regen.

Downsides are obvious:
1. Spirit can die (which can trigger another heal if traited)
2. Downtime of spirit takes quite sometime to get used to when to put the spirit out. Just running with it 24/7 will have it expire right when you don’t want it to.
3. No condition removal.
4. No water field.

Pretty good for a small 5v5 roaming group frankly. You put that passive with nature’s voice and you have some significant passive regen for your group.

if your fight last more than 30-40 sec, you must spend 3,5 sec to have a heal or run like a chicken from your enemy.

Kilger.5490:

my dps is going up significantly,

Yes?? How??? we only had a little dps increase in LB.

Ision.3207:

Good Patch overall; with some good solid buffs and positive changes for Rangers.

Well done Anet.

Yes, pets nerfed, water spirit is really bad, spirits nerfed (we have a water spirit on this update no?)

Nice job Anet.

Stow the pet in combat to have a nice damage buff, OH WAIT¡¡¡

Water spirit, 1,5 sec to cast spirit + 1 sec to use the skill + 1 sec to have the effect: 3,5 sec for 6k base heal…….is a focking joke….

Kilger.5490:

I dont see where they mention water spirit though given what I understand I have to agree… it really only benefits the percentage of rangers that are spirit rangers for one thing, for another their toolbar is already loaded up. With the spirit nerfs, probably a lot less spirit rangers too.

Should be a signet like mesmers, no fuss no muss.

water spirit is WORST than healing Spring, a spirit ranger perhaps could run it but no cleanse or water camp is a big handicap.

is LB bugged?? each attack give you 1-2 sec of fury.

Razor.9872:

NOoooooo!

They stabbed Natural Vigor…

We are a OP medium class, Heavy and light classes MUST have more access to Vigor than us.

Water spirit is a FAIL, GG Anet, the main Heal have a 240 radius.In the next update Anet will delete this class….

Cufufalating.8479:

Great trait on the wrong class. Would be OP on warriors.. but on Rangers with no real burst skill and minimal stuns? Meh.

This.

Taku.6352:

Wat?

Only place where ranger is handicapped at the moment is large scale zerg fighting in wvw. Other than that we are pretty much top tier in PvE and sPvP content.

HAHAHAHAHAHA, are you really playing GW2??

Traps are pretty useful in keeps.: In keeps?? perhaps 1vs1 , but against a zerg, traps are shyt.

Spirits are pretty useful in roaming.: yes, but if you enemy is smart your spirits die in 5 seconds.

AE barrage is pretty useful in slowing down runners.:and BTW retaliate kill you + rooted in place for 3-4 secs.

1500 range helps for the same reason.: oh yes, if you have 2 fingers to push Q or E , you can evade 99,9999% of arrows, tbh you only need 1 finger ……….

Ranger is Average in 1vs1 , bad in zerg , and Average in Pve.

ofc, ranger is really a OP class if you play against noobs.

-Ranger “special” mechanic: Pet
-Pet have 30% or more of our damage.
-Pet is Broken (crap AI, and we dont have a total control of our pets skills)
-Class is broken.

Can you use a Ranger in dungeons,WvW and sPvP? Yes, you can, but ranger class still need more love from Anet, and we only have nerfs.

try it in WvW zerg, and laugh at your foes……

We need a REAL elite trap .

RoyalPredator.9163:

I have no problem with the pets, I like them on my side.
Problem is, they’re just useless. Slow, luring, tactic braking, and in a COF P3 they cause my dead at lava balls triggered.
If there would be a mechanics to trait and adjust points on pets, so they’ll behave as we need… would be great.

Gw1’s pet skills on locked 8 skillbar was pathetic imo.
Gw2 made a good step, but just a half.

In GW1 you can choose if you want a pet or not, here, we have a pet that have a crap AI and that all good players knows how to kite.

We have pet in GW1 , but GW1 ranger is better than GW2 ranger… GW2 ranger is a hibrid between Beastmaster and marksman.

kyubi.3620:

well this just gave me some nasty idea… how about we spec full nature magic with regeneration on shout spirit heal etc have healing spirit as elite water spirit as heal then full 30 in beast mastery for pet regeneration equip the signet of the wilderness along with water spirit fire spirit and a shortbow? build would go as a full condition user coupled with might on swap and big healing.
10 (increase pet condition duration)
0
0
30 (spirit)
30 (pet might on swap etc and cat cond damage)
As silly as it sounds it looks like a way to have good regeneration tank over here. but eh i might also be totaly wrong

no condi removals, gg.

they give us a new spirit but nerf spirits in each update, makes sense…

Soilder.3607:

urdriel.8496:

25 days and nothing new…

Look at the title of this thread

You should read the whole post……

PD:Page 10.

25 days and nothing new…

Pet AI is crap and we must deal with it.

Example:

If i have rank 500 with my guardian,??why should i enter to WvW with a ranger ??

Now, 90% playerbase of WvW are Necros,Guardians or Warrior , they will NEVER change to another toon because the rank is bound to one character, so, in the end ,this system is a BIG FAIL.

PD: now Fractals of the Mists are account bound .

saalle.4623:

lb is power/crit build spec,while sb is more of a condi build so you gotta chose… i personaly preffer power/crit and use longbow!! power/crit is a bit underastimated and people doub its power but after you make a proper build and skill you can win against any class… its great on range and even beter 1 on 1 if played proparly

SB have more dps than LB in a powerbuild, LB only have more dps than SB when you are at 1000+ from your enemy.

LB need a root/cripple skill and we should be able to use barrage while moving.

Jackums.3496:

Chokolata.1870:

actually i would argue LB is better then SB vs mesmers and thieves due to RF tracking into stealth

As a mesmer, I’d take a LB ranger over a SB one, any day. A LB ranger is one of the easiest targets in the game for a shatter mesmer. Very little weapon mobility. Terrible close-range DPS. Slow moving projectiles. Easy-to-interrupt AoE. Etc. The SB evade alone makes it a better suited weapon to counter the burst of mesmers and thieves.

LB is a PVE weapon and SB is a PvP weapon, on the other hand, Warrior LB is a good PVE and PVP weapon…..sigh

Orodret.8230:

urdriel.8496:

Orodret.8230:

ChioChip.5970:

…The difference is my guild don´t say we don´t need RANGERS… they say we don´t need rangers, thies and engineers…

Thiefs are realy important for strong grp set ups (big scale, yes). SB thiefs, 1 or 2. Blast.

900 range and, retaliation will kill you.

Stay in mele range(actualy stay in field youre blasting), reduce arow fly time=faster blast efect. Like this guy
http://youtu.be/Rd3pf6Nh-LM
Retaliation is a killer. It will kill all in the end.

you cant kill a warrior or guardian with retaliation xD

Cufufalating.8479:

What sad is its actually a really good active.. I am sure thieves or warriors would LOVE +50% on demand, but we just dont have any skills which can take advantage of it.

and you need 30 points to make signet affect you….

mooty.4560:

urdriel.8496:

Rapid Fire NOT IS a burst skill, this skill need to have a shorter channel to be considered burst damage.

This is silly.. where do you suddenly draw the line? What, 3 seconds is burst but not 4.5 seconds? I’ll agree to disagree with this bit.

burst is high damage in a short time, a burst class can kill you in 5-6 seconds.

Orodret.8230:

ChioChip.5970:

…The difference is my guild don´t say we don´t need RANGERS… they say we don´t need rangers, thies and engineers…

Thiefs are realy important for strong grp set ups (big scale, yes). SB thiefs, 1 or 2. Blast.

900 range and, retaliation will kill you.

Rapid Fire NOT IS a burst skill, this skill need to have a shorter channel to be considered burst damage.

Spirits in WvW groups??? they die 1/2 sec after you cast the skill.
call of the wild have a long cool down, compared to warrior horn (warriors everywhere)

Healing spring was nerfed , THX Anet.

Empathic bond oh yeah, we need to use 30 points to have a cleanse, but your pet must be ALIVE, and have 10 sec cd, so, is completely random, you CANT choose when use your cleanse.

Healing spring, really nice in 1Vs1 situation to cleanse condis, if you have more than1 foe, you MUST move out of HSpring. or you die.

if you use signet of the hunt to have the active effect of the signet you MUST SPEND 30 points into Markmanship, yes we need 30 point into markamanship to have the active effect of the signet , THX Anet.

are you running a 30/0/30/10/0? signet of beastmaster, empathic bond and 70% spirits.

mooty.4560:

urdriel.8496:

Ranger in WvW is dead, 90% of all groups/zergs/blobs are necros,guardians or warriors, and thieves or mesmers are better roamers than rangers.

I see plenty of rangers roaming about. It’s perfectly suited for this. It’s very survivable, it has gap closers, decent CC and decent damage. What more could you want?

Burst damage.
Condition cleanse.
Group utility.
Functional pets.

decent, decent and decent, is a good description, jake of all trades master of none, a DECENT roamer thief or mesmer can wipe the floor with a ranger.

tbh, people talk about roaming, im from BB, it is really difficult to have a 1vs1 in gold league roaming camps…

PD: from 19:00 to 20:00 i only saw 2 ranger in the whole Baruch Bay Borderlands( all people use necro,guardian,warrior , sad, but true).

Ranger in WvW is dead, 90% of all groups/zergs/blobs are necros,guardians or warriors, and thieves or mesmers are better roamers than rangers.

A melee class is the Best ranged class of GW2.

/clap /clap /clap

Bri.8354:

Some math on the damage:

Shortbow without counting bleeds:
0.7692 damage coefficient/second

Long range shot currently:
1,000+ range: 0.9 damage coefficient/second
500-1,000 range: 0.65 damage coefficient/second
0-500 range: 0.5 damage coefficient/second

Long range shot after patch:
1,000+ range: 0.9 damage coefficient/second
500-1,000 range: 0.7475 damage coefficient/second
0-500 range: 0.6 damage coefficient/second

Then you have the bleeds and poison shortbow does and the vulnerability longbow does. Accounting for this, longbow does more damage at max range, while shortbow will do more damage at less than 1,000 range even after the patch.

you can evade 50% of longbow shots at 1500 range,and you only need A and D.

Durzlla.6295:

urdriel.8496:

Durzlla.6295:

urdriel.8496:

Durzlla.6295:

urdriel.8496:

Coarr.3286:

cafard.8953:

If the opposition’s dumb enough to stay in the roots for 7s, you probably didn’t need to pop an elite to win the fight…

they have no other option when all their stunn breaker and condition removals are on cd

press 1 until vines break……

As great of a suggestion as that is… If you aren’t using a Melee weapon you’re not even going to be able to hurt the roots…

change to a melee weapon???use a teleport/aoe attack/roll…

if you know how to deal with it, entangle is a bad elite,

If you were an intelligent player you would catch them while their teleport/condi cleanse is on CD and after they weapon swap to ranged… Not to mention you can’t roll while immobilized….

dude, you CAN roll with entangle, you have videos of people walking out from entangle, and if you use stealth entangle dissapear,a warrior can destroy entangle with bow#3 and a ranger with longbow#5, ofc, you can kill noobs with this supermegaElite.

You can not roll while immobilized, and I tend to drop a muddy terrain ontop of people while the entangle is up to ensure they’re never escaping my roots by walking out, and it gives a cover condition….

You can kill noobs without even popping an ulti, just because you have no idea when to use entangle doesn’t mean it’s a bad elite, it still forces CDs or at least lasts as a ~3s immobilize.

OMG; you use elite+normal muddy terrain to make the elite effective, and you claim that entangle is a good elite….btw stealth “break” entangle.

entangle should be an elite trap, with less cd, but 150 sec( no traited) is a joke…..

Durzlla.6295:

urdriel.8496:

Durzlla.6295:

urdriel.8496:

Coarr.3286:

cafard.8953:

If the opposition’s dumb enough to stay in the roots for 7s, you probably didn’t need to pop an elite to win the fight…

they have no other option when all their stunn breaker and condition removals are on cd

press 1 until vines break……

As great of a suggestion as that is… If you aren’t using a Melee weapon you’re not even going to be able to hurt the roots…

change to a melee weapon???use a teleport/aoe attack/roll…

if you know how to deal with it, entangle is a bad elite,

If you were an intelligent player you would catch them while their teleport/condi cleanse is on CD and after they weapon swap to ranged… Not to mention you can’t roll while immobilized….

dude, you CAN roll with entangle, you have videos of people walking out from entangle, and if you use stealth entangle dissapear,a warrior can destroy entangle with bow#3 and a ranger with longbow#5, ofc, you can kill noobs with this supermegaElite.

Durzlla.6295:

urdriel.8496:

Coarr.3286:

cafard.8953:

If the opposition’s dumb enough to stay in the roots for 7s, you probably didn’t need to pop an elite to win the fight…

they have no other option when all their stunn breaker and condition removals are on cd

press 1 until vines break……

As great of a suggestion as that is… If you aren’t using a Melee weapon you’re not even going to be able to hurt the roots…

change to a melee weapon???use a teleport/aoe attack/roll…

if you know how to deal with it, entangle is a bad elite,

Coarr.3286:

cafard.8953:

If the opposition’s dumb enough to stay in the roots for 7s, you probably didn’t need to pop an elite to win the fight…

they have no other option when all their stunn breaker and condition removals are on cd

press 1 until vines break……

You can break entangle(btw, vines need more hp…).

runeblade.7514:

urdriel.8496:

runeblade.7514:

urdriel.8496:

Eurantien.4632:

Corpus Christi.2057:

An epic video. Although there are some viable builds, as people claim, organised high lvl fractals or sPvP’s players still prefer other classes over a ranger. You can’t deny it. If you think you could, then… well… You have a right to your own opinion, don’t you?

Every high lvl PvP team has a ranger.

and?

Which means that your claim: “sPvP’s players still prefer other classes over a ranger” is wrong.

oh sry, this game only have Spvp.

Ranger is jack of all trades master of none.

PvE: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/84268-the-perfect-dps-ranger-guide-for-real/

you should look for a video with 4-5 rangers, not 1 ranger + thieves or warriors……

The real problem problem with ranger is in WvW and Spvp compared to other classes.

Corpus Christi.2057:

urdriel.8496:

runeblade.7514:

urdriel.8496:

Eurantien.4632:

Corpus Christi.2057:

An epic video. Although there are some viable builds, as people claim, organised high lvl fractals or sPvP’s players still prefer other classes over a ranger. You can’t deny it. If you think you could, then… well… You have a right to your own opinion, don’t you?

Every high lvl PvP team has a ranger.

and?

Which means that your claim: “sPvP’s players still prefer other classes over a ranger” is wrong.

oh sry, this game only have Spvp.

According to ANet, yes.

Sry but, SPVP IS DEAD.

runeblade.7514:

urdriel.8496:

Eurantien.4632:

Corpus Christi.2057:

An epic video. Although there are some viable builds, as people claim, organised high lvl fractals or sPvP’s players still prefer other classes over a ranger. You can’t deny it. If you think you could, then… well… You have a right to your own opinion, don’t you?

Every high lvl PvP team has a ranger.

and?

Which means that your claim: “sPvP’s players still prefer other classes over a ranger” is wrong.

oh sry, this game only have Spvp.

Ranger is jack of all trades master of none.

Eurantien.4632:

Corpus Christi.2057:

An epic video. Although there are some viable builds, as people claim, organised high lvl fractals or sPvP’s players still prefer other classes over a ranger. You can’t deny it. If you think you could, then… well… You have a right to your own opinion, don’t you?

Every high lvl PvP team has a ranger.

and?

any warrior build can kill a spirit ranger if you know how to deal with it ( stuns kill really fast a spirit ranger).

BTW, spirits were nerfed, and in the upcoming patch they nerf spirits too…..

snow.8097:

yeah i know urdriel
that wont Change because other classes are more specialists in their Play
warriors do dmg and stun, guards tank and Support, necros make AoE with conditions and eles AoE, heals and do dmg from behind
ranger are not supposed to very important in WvW because we are the survival class with the pet.
Ranger Groups can roam around and spike a zerg before the main zerg Comes

but thats no Argument to use to say ranger are underpowered

try to kill a organized guild with a ranger group , retaliation will kill you xDD

snow.8097:

Problems in WvW? yeah okay everything that we can do like boon Support, dmg and so on can other classes better, but then try something new and help the zerg with skills that disturbs the red blob, traps, muddy Terrain, entangle

Best WvW guilds only use warrior,guardian,necro and ele to fight ZvZ.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Liewec.2896:

they should change healing signet completely.

large heal, short cd, extra damage received while casting it.
(oldschool for us GW1 players)

Only if all other classes work on the same way.

all other classes dont have a nice passive heal signet that tick for 397 hp/sec + high hp pool + heavy armor ….

X-Bows

Barrage had a stealth nerf 2-3 months ago (50% less damage)

Solstice.1097:

ia tiny ring of warding around their character, without the knockback effect, and that stability does not negate.

It is a nice and simple idea

Ranger Signets should affect the rangers and , if traited, pets.

griefing? use report system….