Guild Wars 2

and, what is your point?

Bas.7406:

urdriel.8496:

Ridiculous is the amount of hatred toward rangers………Anet said months ago that rangers should learn to use their pets, we learnt and now they hit us with a BIG NERFhammer, they make stealth nerfs too ( barrage have a 40-50% damage nerf)

They nerfed pet damage because it was bordering on ridiculous levels. In every single episode of Attk, Battosai kept repeating how insane pet damage was, and that half the time he could sick his pet and wipe out multiple people while he was standing back watching his back point.

Shortbow itself was the only weapon taken that was ranged because the auto on it hit harder than LB, and it’s range and damage needed to be brought down because it was ridiculous that it could fire so fast, and hit harder than just about any other weapon. Spirit pets needed love, and I thought they got it, but it looks like they didn’t.

If you didn’t think that SB needed a nerf and pets needed their damage brought down a bit than you weren’t watching the same games everyone else was. The only people freaking out are the people who were carried by the massive pet damage an only knew how to hit 1 on the shortbow.

Look you have to learn to fight a new way. So what? I still see rangers all over the place, no team is kicking rangers off. They are still viable at all levels of play, and in the hands of a skilled player they are tough to handle. The biggest change is there is now a skill level on the Ranger.

You can’t just send your pet in, hit auto attack on your shortbow, let your pet kill the opponent, and if he gets close swap to s/d and evade and dodge infiinitely until you get back to health.

The Barrage nerf is baffling since LB hits so weak and takes forever to do it.

omg, our pet have the most stupid IA among all the MMOS, any player with 2 hands can kite a pet til the end of times.

you should need skill to play any class,but actually we have hard(ranger,engi) and easy classes(thief,mesmer),and we need BALANCE.

Ridiculous is the amount of hatred toward rangers………Anet said months ago that rangers should learn to use their pets, we learnt and now they hit us with a BIG NERFhammer, they make stealth nerfs too ( barrage have a 40-50% damage nerf)

Bran.7425:

urdriel.8496:

rework longbow skills .

LB #1 is a joke when you cant kite people in this game. ( remove malus, or rifle should have a malus to distance too perhaps ,no ANET? )

Malus? WTF are you typing about? Malice? Minus? Spell check?

D&D sry, xDD , malus is a negative bonus.

Sry but, if you can use 2 bows, you are a archer….tbh, the best “ranged” prof now is warrior, LB have really nice skills and rifle too.

rework longbow skills .

LB #1 is a joke when you cant kite people in this game. ( remove malus, or rifle should have a malus to distance too perhaps ,no ANET? )
LB #2 have a “cast” of 5 second….. , any other skill on the game have more dps( perhaps, 1 hit but less damage)
LB #4 fail a lot when the enemy is near you.( dunno why)
LB #5 barrage is a joke, they nerfed the damage . (unnerf barrage)

Im tired of obstructs when using bows.

They nerfed dps pets, but rangers did not received more damage in exchange( the buff to 2,3,4 SB skills are a joke), so, if pre patch we had 30/70 o 40/60 now, we have 20/70 and 30/60, and btw, FIX PET HIT %, any player can kite your pet til end of the times.

You cant balance a game around BAD players, BM ranger wasnt op, was a good build but not op as immortal guardians, shatter mesmers or ele bunkers.

nagymbear.5280:

Are you sure about that? Lets not make panic here, theres plenty of it already. What kind of damage did you deal with it pre patch? What gear did you use? Did you use it in a zerg? Maybe you need more might to make a comparison.

same armor, same damage, same crit …….. i deal prepatch 1400-1500 to non heavy user armor, now 1100 or less.

Mjolniir.2541:

urdriel.8496:

Now Anet will nerf the axe too…….

Huh?! Did you read the post?

it is called irony.

We are talking about SAME Anet that is nerfing ranger in each patch??

Now Anet will nerf the axe too…….

We are aquaman, deal with it.

I cant find the nerf on last patch notes, but im sure that i hit for 40-50% less damage with it.

Was nerfed or not??

long bow 5# was nerfed in the last patch? because i do 40-50% less damage with it.
Is a bug

Ranger:):):):)

Rallad.3802:

Don’t fret, rangers are (according to the leaked patch notes) going to fall under the nerf hammer.

fixed

Chopps.5047:

Ranger is one of the best havoc squad professions (as well as scouting professions) by having traps that slow followers and perma swiftness and regen with easy access to condition removal with the healing spring and a free “out” with shared anguish. Haters will hate, though. They know not compromise. They only take, take, take.

Best scout profession?? its a joke no??? roll a thief.

yes, time to delete rangers….

the best bow user on this game is warrior, sad, but true…..

Anet must nerf COF p1.

haxi.9038:

LOL. Why not use a ranged pet then.

Yeah, delete melee pets……… or better FIX THEM.

Durzlla.6295:

urdriel.8496:

Durzlla.6295:

urdriel.8496:

yeah, you can, but you cant kill me, and , if you face me, you will die, run little ranger, run.

btw, you are not kitting me, you run from me.

I probably won’t die because I’m a tanky spirit ranger, it’ll likely end in both of us going, “screw this!” An walking away xD.

true, but it is a fact that you cant kite people in this game ( ok, you can kite noobs)

Well if you run spike trap, dual spiders + intimidation training, muddy terrain and an axe + dagger and short bow you can kite whoever you please xD, my friend proved this to me back when he was in his “X prof is so much more awesome than my main!” Phase xD, I could certainly get his build if you want it.

Your enemy will never dodge, evade or block an attack/skill??

im running a signet build in WvW and you can hit really hard with maul now xDD (8k+), but best ranger signets have 90 sec+ cd traited :P.

Durzlla.6295:

urdriel.8496:

yeah, you can, but you cant kill me, and , if you face me, you will die, run little ranger, run.

btw, you are not kitting me, you run from me.

I probably won’t die because I’m a tanky spirit ranger, it’ll likely end in both of us going, “screw this!” An walking away xD.

true, but it is a fact that you cant kite people in this game ( ok, you can kite noobs)

you can, but you cant kill me, and , if you face me, you will die, run little ranger, run, i have a ranger and i know that your skills have CD, i only have perma speed in the guardian .

btw, you are not kitting me, you run from me.

KensaiZen.3740:

You don’t use it AGAINST him. You use it to GET AWAY FROM HIM. That is the usefulness of the GS.

If you look at the skill set for it it has a movement skill. a block skill. a stun skill.

2 skills that do pretty much NO damage. its not a DPS weapon.

it is easy to kill a ranger in WvW with a guardian, you can run all you want with your GS……

KensaiZen.3740:

urdriel.8496:

KensaiZen.3740:

Rangers = sustained ranged DPS

You have skills that increases group DPS by 10% And one that does burning (spirits are kitten useful) This is a massive boost for the entire party and overall DPS. In a party or group based environment, who cares about personal DPS? 10% damage boost group wide is better than buffing yourself 20% dmg. Think about it.

Rangers = Masters of crowd control

You have skills that interrupt, cripple, root, knock back, stun etc etc AND you can use most of them at range. Rangers are shut out kings. learn how to use these skills. It is not just about DPS. What good is a party of warriors if they are all dead? even if 1 dies the reduction in DPS is massive for the entire party. You use your skills to control the mobs.

I stopped taking my Guardian into Dungeons. It is far more fun on the ranger and I actually use spirits for dungeons. Spirits are very powerful. Learn to use them and you will see the difference. Normal utilitiy set up for dungeon for me is slot 7 and 8 for spirits (swap them when needs arise) and 9 for search and rescue.

Oh and 1 more thing. Your LB at maxed range with eagle eye is outside of bosses attack range. Think about it.

Your post is about PVE, no??because if you are fighting against a normal player, you cant kite him, all melee classes have an ANTIKITE skill/button in GW2 .

Yes this is talking about dungeons and PvE. In WvW and PvP the strategy and tactics are slightly different. In WvW and PvP its either you spec for melee or hybrid and use ranged as an optional weapon or you max out your range and hang back away from the fight and just shoot into the crowd.

However, you can kite a Guardian. They are next to useless against someone who actually knows how to kite. please note, use minus condition duration runes and food. No one can catch you. Use GS as a gtfo weapon and not a kill kill kill weapon and you can kite very well.

if you use a GS against a guardian, you will die…he is a pure melee class, he have “less” dps than other classes, but he can absorb a high amount of damage and conditions, and GS damage is bad…

KensaiZen.3740:

Rangers = sustained ranged DPS

You have skills that increases group DPS by 10% And one that does burning (spirits are kitten useful) This is a massive boost for the entire party and overall DPS. In a party or group based environment, who cares about personal DPS? 10% damage boost group wide is better than buffing yourself 20% dmg. Think about it.

Rangers = Masters of crowd control

You have skills that interrupt, cripple, root, knock back, stun etc etc AND you can use most of them at range. Rangers are shut out kings. learn how to use these skills. It is not just about DPS. What good is a party of warriors if they are all dead? even if 1 dies the reduction in DPS is massive for the entire party. You use your skills to control the mobs.

I stopped taking my Guardian into Dungeons. It is far more fun on the ranger and I actually use spirits for dungeons. Spirits are very powerful. Learn to use them and you will see the difference. Normal utilitiy set up for dungeon for me is slot 7 and 8 for spirits (swap them when needs arise) and 9 for search and rescue.

Oh and 1 more thing. Your LB at maxed range with eagle eye is outside of bosses attack range. Think about it.

Your post is about PVE, no??because if you are fighting against a normal player, you cant kite him, all melee classes have an ANTIKITE skill/button in GW2 .

Ranger need a really efective Elite.

something like.

One with nature 45 sec CD

you become stealthed for 4 secs , and lost all your conditions, you can use Melandrus Wrath or Melandrus Will.

Melandrus Wrath (Long bow skill while stealthed WITH THIS ELITE)
X damage.

you knock back your opponent, and lost stealth.

Melandrus Will (Short Bow skill while stealthed WITH THIS SKILL)

X damage

You hit you foe with multiple arrows , each arrow can inflict a random condition, you lost stealth

I want a skill like kill shot on my ranger long bow instead of Barrage, be able to oneshot a thief/elementalist/ranger or hit for more than 50% hp in one hit with a ranged skill is really nice, a warrior skill ofc……..

you set traps, you enemy use ranged attacks, you are dead…… but is a good build to defend.

Atherakhia.4086:

CRrabbit.1284:

Ranger is the easiest class to begin with but also the hardest class to master. It may require more skills to reach the same level which other classes can gain much easier especially in pvp. So the population of rangers are very polarized unlike other classes’ Gaussian distribution(that’s my feeling in pvp/wvw, rangers I met was either super good or bad but I can hardly find someone fairly good or bad, but for other classes there are all kinds of levels). Same phenomenon happened to Ele before more and more ppl get use to D/D bunker build.

That analogy only works if the class is legitimately given the tools to suceed. The ranger hasn’t and the game itself is working against it.

The ranger class right now does nothing but run in circles auto attacking things at half range. The knockbacks are ineffective. The snares aren’t enough. The roots don’t work. There are no reliable knockbacks. Pet skills miss 90% of the time due to delayed release and rooting.

When you play a kiting class but the tools you have to kite are half as effective as the tools other classes have to overcome being kited it, you’re left with a failure of a class. This is why most people consider the ranger walking badges.

btw, you cant kite if all classes have 1 or more gap closers.

Does full damage.

.Splash Damage.

Bastionhawk.7120:

The name Ranger isn’t indicative of being ranged.

No……

ANET SAID:

Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.

you can read in the description, that spike trap pulse three times, but i only see 1 pulse.

btw. damage is ridiculous

Rangers need a elite trap too, Entagle is bad is like a 50/50 to trap your enemy in the vines……..

AnemoneMeer.7182:

Ranger: Um… yeah, running away probably. Ranger isn’t that strong of a class, or one I know that well.

Yes, Ranger is a OP job, at least we should have a 50% speed passive buff, we must run like rats from all other classes…….

Crawford.4135:

Sure, remove my stealth.

Give us Thieves plate armor and crap tons of HP. Then we’ll talk.

Before you ask for an ability to be removed, do some math.

use vitality stuff instead of power, and you will have more hp….

Pinko.2076:

Zaknafein.9576:

how are they in wvw? lots of mixed feedback. I feet that if i were to ever play a ranged class itd be a ranger because they can switch to GS if someone gets close. So just wanted some more feedback outside of just my server.

Mesmer does more ranged damage, more close range damage, has more survivability, more utility, and doesn’t rely on a bad AI pet to contribute 25% of their damage. Ranger is only moderately effective when played very defensively, and even then, they’re just food when targeted by two players because of the lack of solid escape options like stealth, invulnerability, blink.

There’s a reason why Thief/mesmer/ele is most of the WvW population.

25%? Anet said 40% of our damage……

the only problem you have with thieves is in WvW, in Spvp they die fast with traps, they have a huge benefit from Culling issue , but we cant do nothing against that…..

they steal from ranger a regeneration skill (a tree)

Kincaidia.3192:

Setch.2398:

Rangers are good for soloing camps.

Oh my god yes. I have to pull daisies out my butt to get a camp on my thief, but on a ranger it’s a cake walk.

lol, run throwing cluster bombs, and if they hit you, stealth, it is really easy…..

Portal + culling = 20 invisible players killing people………..portal is OP yet.

LOCO.1785:

urdriel.8496:

A thief is OP because , altought is a Glass Cannon he can leave the combat always.

Unless he gets hit a couple times, then he’s a dead thief.

the thief burst should kill a player in 1-2 secs, if he decide to continue fighting and die, is his own problem, you have plenty of utilities/skills to leave combat when you want.

ofc, you can kill a burst glass cannon with another glass cannon(thief vs thief).

Meryt.9823:

urdriel.8496:

W3 tiers are about QUANTITY, NOT QUALITY.

You can win battles with quality, but you will never win the war.

SFR do! 2:1 in 3 weeks T1

As far as i know (by forums) SFR have a nice amount of WvW players.

Xsorus.2507:

urdriel.8496:

Xsorus.2507:

urdriel.8496:

Xsorus.2507:

I play on T1 PvP, and unless you intend on just flat out zerging my pet..1 person, even 2 will not bring it down before I pet swap usually…. I won’t lie and say it’s not possible… But if you’re not speccing 30 into BM, don’t kitten about your pet sucking..

Also the difference between your pet having 300 toughness/vit is actually fairly huge….Hell it’s major even on a player in terms of survivability.

We are talking about W3, i tried with 30 in BM, and it is true that pet had more survivality but, the diference was 3-4 secs (2-3 hits).

Dunno in Spvp, but inW3, pet need a damage mitigation.

I don’t SPvP, i W3…hence why all my videos are of that.

T1 was referring to Tier 1

I know that T1 is tier 1, and as i said, im talking about W3,

ehh..

Tier 1 is SoS/Stormbluff/Jade Quarry.. in otherwords…the top World vs World servers

so yea…

W3 tiers are about QUANTITY, NOT QUALITY.

You can win battles with quality, but you will never win the war.

ZLE.8293:

Again and again,culling is not a thief problem,the higher cap of crit damage in WvW is not a thief problem.If Thief benefits more than other classes i suggest you start to ask for the right fixes.

All people ask about culling to Anet, brw, i have more crit damage on ranger than on Thief, but i hit with ranger for 3-3.5k with longbow (902 base attack at 1200mt), and for 10k with rogue xD, the problem of culling is that you have only 2 classes with easy access to stealth, mesmers and thieves, im sure that is only coincidence the high amount of mesmers and thieves in W3

Guard is probably bugged, but seems that Phantasms too, im tired of fight INSIDE of a tower/keep against Phantasms from outside mesmers.

ZLE.8293:

urdriel.8496:

Basilisk+mug+CnD+backstab+HS

simple combo to kill a player, 1,5 sec.

you can use Shadow refugee,blind powder, etc… to scape.

A thief is OP because , altought is a Glass Cannon he can leave the combat always.

Another thread that has nothing to do with Backstab,turned to whine fiesta by some low-geared-WvW-wannabe…

Low geared? i have 5 pjs, all full exotic lvl 80…….and the thief is EZ Mode, ALWAYS, you kill any other class, really fast, this is not a Whine fiesta, is a fact dude, this is not a L2P issue, A thief can land 15-20k damage in 1 or 1,5 secs ( Hi Basilisk Venom ), and if you are in WvW, you victim will never know who kill him ( hi culling), ofc in SPvP thief is only Very Good, but in WvW is OP.

Xsorus.2507:

urdriel.8496:

Xsorus.2507:

I play on T1 PvP, and unless you intend on just flat out zerging my pet..1 person, even 2 will not bring it down before I pet swap usually…. I won’t lie and say it’s not possible… But if you’re not speccing 30 into BM, don’t kitten about your pet sucking..

Also the difference between your pet having 300 toughness/vit is actually fairly huge….Hell it’s major even on a player in terms of survivability.

We are talking about W3, i tried with 30 in BM, and it is true that pet had more survivality but, the diference was 3-4 secs (2-3 hits).

Dunno in Spvp, but inW3, pet need a damage mitigation.

I don’t SPvP, i W3…hence why all my videos are of that.

T1 was referring to Tier 1

I know that T1 is tier 1, and as i said, im talking about W3,