This patch was excellent. Everything that needed to be done to HGH was done right, and the myriad of buffs we got are amazing. Healing Turret is incredibly powerful now, and that paves the way towards Bunker builds being much more viable.
This forum goes through the same pattern. We get great patches with tons of buffs and maybe one or two nerfs. Then the forum has a meltdown over the one or two nerfs, irregardless of how consequential or needed they are. It’s the reason I don’t really post anymore, because it’s difficult to get any decent discussion in without three to four people crying about how bad Engineers are. Engineers are actually in a great position relatively to most classes. Obviously they still need work, but I feel like a broken record saying this. Every class needs work.
I have the right to QQ because I only play with gadgets
Even though I agree with the changes, I can understand why mesmers are complaining. Eles on the other hand, I don’t get it. I thought most of them realized that their survivability and combined offensive capability was OP.
Bottom line: The bunker builds are the ones that are considered overpowered, and the change to RtL doesn’t affect bunkers much (because they can facetank damage), but severely reduces the survivability of non-bunkers (because they can’t facetank damage).
Why do you guys call them “bunker” builds. These “bunker” builds are Dps, bunker, roamer, aoe cleanse, aoe healer all in one build. You guys are being very misleading.
So if ele’s want to fully utilize rtl, they’re actually going to have to use it strategically, and effectively.
And the big deal is, what again?
There is no deal. That’s the funny part.
Only class to get penalize for it???? Just make it the same for all other class then. No big deal right? Rush will be on a 40 sec CD if it misses. Infil Arrow will cost 12 init instead of 6 if it doesn blind anyone. etc
You forget the part where warrior skills are affected by chills and cripples, and the part where warrior doesn’t have any spec that has the best mobility in the game, best sustain, best team fight support, decent spike damage, best disengages in the game, aoe cleanses and heals.
What about a “gadget kit”?,with reworked gadgets and a new tool belt skill,it could be an interesting option.
When i first pick the engineer to be my main ,i thought i will play like crazy gadgeteer with turrets and inventions,sadly it ends up as a granadier or a pistoleer,even the rifle dont seems crazy enough (:P) for an engie .
a gadget kit with all the current gadgets would be INCREDIBLY op.
Who the hell is using glyph of storms in the first place?
Me during early launch days..I thought the earth was good until thye made it (or i realised) that it blinds once like 3 sec :P
Plus i think water chills if it hits somebody..doesnt hit often enough for me to notice
I think rtl out of combat needs to remain at 20 sec..No point harming wvw and pve folks for our sins ..disengange and roaming are different things.A warrior was always the better roamer compared to ele but he definately had less disengage options.Now that this difference is somewhat lessen theres no point harming roaming for ele as well.
And of course in spvp maps are small so it doesnt matter that much..in wvw though?
Ice storm doesn’t chill it causes bleeding used to be confusion.
Them eles need to step their game up and start using Conjure Earth Shield, I recently learned you can Kite away from them in fortify but its still an insta-kill.
Meteor + glyph of sand storm + lava font + ice bow arrow shower + fiery greatsword meteor = GG TEAM FIGHT
its funny because you guys are just hating, you cant call the patch a fail just because they didnt nerf bunker ele to the ground. the patch so far sounds really good even if they miss on this ele matter. but i understand, its so nice to try to be funny on the internet.
AND they did nerf cantrip ele, “Cleansing Waters: Now removes 1 condition with a 5s CD”, and thats not to mention thieves with boon removal and warriors percing through stability and boon damage.
I was talking about it as a failure with respect to not gutting less used builds. All of the changes they announced hurt weaker ele builds MORE than they hurt cantrip bunkers.
what is hurting other builds more than cantrips, besides the rtl change? besides any staff build, cuz no one really played it anyway.
No Mist Form + Heal means offensive builds lost a very important safety net.
you can pop your heal before popping mist form…
I do it all the time with F1 medkit with elixir s. Yes eles, you can’t heal for free now.
Here’s an idea, if you want DPS, deal with being a glass cannon like everyone else would have to.
Sure. Give us better base hp and/or armor or, here’s a wild idea, give our non-melee options actual, reliable damage. Glass Ele hasn’t been viable since they overnerfed Scepter/Dagger burst builds back in beta.
This is just a case of elementalists being spoiled with a ridiculously OP build and now have no idea how to play their class.
No. I have played a non-bunker D/D since beta (tried bunker D/D for a while but got bored), nerfing the mobility of a GC D/D is pretty much the same as destroying the build. You have the lowest HP and the lowest defences of any class, the only way to survive is not being hit if you play GC. It is already a weak spec and making it weaker is exactly the opposite of what they said these nerfs were meant to accomplish. They are nerfing all D/D builds instead of just bunkers. Which is entirely the wrong way to deal with the perceived OPness of bunkers.
I play glass no stun breaker engineer, what’s your point.
they buff the war …and now elem are useles …great, I remember that War are overpowered with one hundred blade if they have the good build ( I have a war in my pvp team with a build dps and with 2 strike he take down other players
Here’s an idea, if you want DPS, deal with being a glass cannon like everyone else would have to.
Sure. Give us better base hp and/or armor or, here’s a wild idea, give our non-melee options actual, reliable damage. Glass Ele hasn’t been viable since they overnerfed Scepter/Dagger burst builds back in beta.
This is just a case of elementalists being spoiled with a ridiculously OP build and now have no idea how to play their class.
Eles currently have only 1 (ONE) viable build, and this build so happens to be incredibly overpowered.
If you’re gonna stomp D/D and cantrip eles into the ground, at least open up some other builds to compensate, there’s a lot of ground to work on for Scepter/Staff skills and a lot of them could use a rework. Otherwise Elementalists are left with NOTHING.
We all know, but ALOT of the classes have this same problem. Look at warrior at the moment, and I’m pretty sure engi will be in the same spot once they nerf the condi nades build.
Oh and D/D cantrip wasn’t even hit that hard, it can still do what it did before.
Edit: If you want to see an example of something that was hit hard, look at kit refinement nerf. That basically destroyed 99% of engineer builds.
There are a ton of complaints here from people that don’t seem to play Ele or understand it well.
One of the biggest issues with the upcoming Ele nerfs is that it doesn’t help other builds. Currently, eles are forced into 10/30/30 d/d bunker because it is more or less the only viable build. When these changes go into effect, it will be the ONLY viable build.
If this had come with a buff to scepter, staff, or focus then I’d be more open-minded. As it is… expect to only see d/d bunker eles until the next major update.
your “bunker” build isn’t even a bunker build. It’s a roamer, bunker, aoe condition remover / aoe haler, sustained dps all into ONE build. I don’t think you understand it well.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)
I wouldn’t call someone an idiot when you can’t form proper sentences yourself lol.
Again with all the English excuse, try better next time or speak four different language,Mr. Genius.
I speak 3, good enough for me. Oh and I actually speak them well unlike you.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
This will be my last post to you. I will choose to completely ignore you thanks to (…. All the quality that an idiot would have)
I wouldn’t call someone an idiot when you can’t form proper sentences yourself lol.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
Do you really read my post carefully before suggesting such thing?“With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everyday I log in but unable to play”..?
Yes, thank you for confirming what I just confirmed for you.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
I have no idea how you can interpret my post into Eles is worse than Thief. We are cloth class, low health pool, in melee combat all the time ,the only way for us to defend ourself is constant moving, much like thief. Oh wait thief has stealth,so he can disengage at will. At here, I only compare on the disengage ability combat, no more, no less. With the upcoming RTL change, Anet just completely broke the class. So I suggest to remove Eles, at least I don’t have to see my favour class everything I log in but unable to play.
“No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY”
You basically said here, and I quote you verbatum, that without 20 second RTL elementalist will be a useless class that should not even be a class and should be erased. Please read your own text next time.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
Sry, I never said anything about Eles is worse than thief because if that one change. What I want to say is with that changes, Eles becomes the worst in term of mobility. And if you can not even dodge with RTL, you can see Eles coming from far away and dodge backward,how hard could it be,huh?Anyone with half brain can do this.
Would you rather walk to your enemy then?
Oh and you did imply it, you implied it quite abit.
“GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…”
So in order for me to buy extra toon slots, or new Arena tokens, I would have to level a toon to 80 in PvE and grind for hours on a single dungeon (CoF). Why? I don’t know.
I have tried another option, using my experience and skill in PvP to get gold. I know that Laurels are precious to simple PvE players, so I offer to teach them PvP in exchange for small bits of pocket change (50 silver to 1.5 gold depending on the class). That goes over really well, I love being laughed at and ridiculed by players 1/15th of my skill.
I have also tried selling Dyes. Which doesn’t form a solid source of income.
So, that aside, does anyone have any bright ideas how to effectively acquire shinies?
I farm svanir and chieftain all day, they actually drop 5g once in awhile.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Oh look, it is a prof that proves nothing….
You just implied that ele is worse than thief because of that one change. Enough proof for me and I’m sure everyone else with any sense of logic.
GG Anet. No offence here but if Anet decides to go through this change, I have a better opinion for you,REMOVE ELES COMPLETELY. One less class to balance, less QQ, less headache. It is the WIn Win situation here. Oh well, time to un-dust my thief…
Hey look, it’s proof that this guy is just a hotjoiner.
Change the mini map so it shows enemy dots that your teammates are in combat with, this would make solo play a lot easier as it’s not very fun typing while fighting people off.
Will boons on enemies be more apparent. When a guardian has every single boon under their name / HP bar. It’s EXTREMELY hard to pay attention to aegis / protection / stability while fighting them simultaneously. Will there be any option in the near future to increase the size of boon symbols.
But the basic currency in sPvP is glory. Why not make CA glory dependent? This would prevent from creating trash CA, but at the same time encourage to earn more glory = win/win.
What’s ironic is glory has 0 purpose for anything. Why buy chests when you can basically get everything you need from tournament chests.
sPvP community is already thin and Custom Arenas could bring some life to it. But why do we have to pay gems for it? All sPvP aspects in its core design should be avaible to all players regardless of rank/gems/money. One step forward, two steps backwards….
the real question is, if it work. would people really use it ? I think that’s why is not on anet’s priority list.
Honestly I’ve been wanting to use this trait for a VERY long time.
Stationary grenade kit point spamming
+Rifle Jump does some great dps on crit
+Possible flamethrower 1/2 stationary?
+ Rifle 1 stationary
+Timing big ole bomb so it gets the 10 boost
+ Mine field burst is stationary in a lot of situations and does some beefy dps if pulled off correctly
+ Grenade barrage with good crits great dps and can be used stationary from a distance
Also with this trait It would open up more amulets such as soldiers or valkyries. If you go into the firearms tree and also take this trait. Your crit chance would be a DECENT 30~% without having any crit chance in your amulet.
