Guild Wars 2

They just put in the wrong picture I think. It should be this one:
https://agegaming.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/gw2-herald.jpg

People wanted horizontal progression for god’s sake. Do you seriously want no progression in the game at all? That’s not really good for the game…

Serromus Jakta.3987:

Ohoni.6057:

Is there any reason to assume that the legendary precursors will be BoP and that they are exclusively available though raids?

You mean, “can we assume that they won’t be available on the TP from people who have made them?” No, it’s possible that they will be TP-able. That is better than nothing, but NOT a solution, as all this does is make the TP even more destructive than it already is, and further enrich raiders at the expense of everyone else. Making Legendaries and selling them should not become the new job for raid-inclined players. Whatever method they come out with should be fair to both raiders AND non-raiders, not “great for raiders, not an absolute catastrophe for everyone else”.

As for whether they’ll be exclusive to raids, they haven’t said, but given how closely they tied the two concepts, yes, I think it is safe to assume that they are tied directly to raiding, until such time as they say otherwise. I welcome their input on that topic, but “wait, we’ll talk about it later” is not sufficient.

Here he goes again, same guy who made another one of these “raid complaining posts”. i can see this thread being locked soon. Just wait until they give out more info, how can you judge something that isn’t out yet? just wait until the expansion then you can do a proper judgment of the content, this is the reason Gaile closed the other post last night, because of threads like these.

Other TWO threads. Both of them got locked. And he’s basically ignoring what Gaile said last night by saying it’s not sufficient to talk about this stuff later when there is more information. So now this thread will be hijacked by the reward topic even though that’s not really what it is about. Oh well…

Astralporing.1957:

xarallei.4279:

I don’t see why Anet can’t add raids. Don’t like raids? Don’t do them. There is plenty of casual content in this game. In fact, the majority of it is casual content. Doesn’t hurt to add something new to the mix. I work too, god knows whether I’ll have time for these raids. But they should still exist for those who do like them.

I agree… unless there’s some unique content/rewards locked out behind it. And from what we heard, there is.

Well, a lot of people disagree and want raiding to have unique loot. Though I suppose we have to wait to see exactly all the things raiders can get. Maybe there will be some kind of token system and raiders just get rewards faster, but that non raiders can still earn the rewards in other ways. Legendaries, however, should be LEGENDARY. They should require you to be a master at all the game modes. It needs to give the name legendary some meaning.

Though do we really want to be arguing this again? lol. This thread might end up getting locked like the two other ones.

iZLA.9162:

xarallei.4279:

I have to say, there is a lot of toxic behavior on both sides. By both “elitist” raiders and “elitist” casuals (yes, you are elitist too in your own way don’t think that you aren’t). This thread is becoming as bad as the old one.

id like to preface my comment by saying i have no horse in this race, i still actively raid in another game, and would be happy to do it in gw2.

but doesnt a casual actually arguing for everyone to have access to legendaries be counter intuitive to being “Elitist”. just curious considering casual elitist seems oxymoronic to me.

They are “elitist” in the way they look down on raiders and constantly call them toxic and throw insults at them. These are the types that hate meta and anyone who uses meta. It’s really in the self righteous way they carry themselves (holier than thou attitude). There are some pretty blatant examples of it in this very thread. You should also watch Brazil’s elitist video. It’s quite good.

Oh and I’m not saying ALL of the people in this thread are like this. Many are presenting normal, civil arguments.

No, no one is boycotting. If your friends are really that intent on saving money tell them to wait. It should go on sale eventually.

I have to say, there is a lot of toxic behavior on both sides. By both “elitist” raiders and “elitist” casuals (yes, you are elitist too in your own way don’t think that you aren’t). This thread is becoming as bad as the old one.

Ohoni.6057:

But that’s not really a valid comparison either. GW2 followed off of GW1 which did decently well for itself. Wildstar was a totally new IP by a new company with no experience.

The GW IP is not, itself, a massive draw though, people came to GW2 for what GW2 was. It’s no Final Fantasy, at the very least.

It’s true it’s no FF behemoth, but that’s not true that people came to GW2 for what GW2 was. MANY people came because of what GW1 was. Sure it drew a lot of new people as well, but it still basically had a built in fan base to draw on already unlike WS.

Idk, as long as the maps are really huge then I suppose I don’t mind.

And yeah, I really want Cantha and Elona….
sighs

Ohoni.6057:

So the comparsion to wildstar is okay because it’s better for your argument but comparsion to other games isn’t because it doesn’t?

Comparisons are valid when they’re valid. They aren’t when they aren’t. You can’t compare WoW to anything that isn’t WoW, and you can’t compare FF14 to anything that isn’t based on a popular license. If FF14 is not crushing GW2 then that means GW2 is far and away better on its own merits. Wildstar is a valid comparison because it’s a unique IP MMO that has very similar gameplay to GW2’s, and yet focused on hardcore raiders, got all of them they could possibly expect, and it turns out that still wasn’t enough to keep a game running.

But that’s not really a valid comparison either. GW2 followed off of GW1 which did decently well for itself. Wildstar was a totally new IP by a new company with no experience.

And Wildstar had many issues. Bugs, severe lag due to very poor optimization and yes they catered too much too the hardcore crowd perhaps. It’s always bad when you cater too much to one crowd. That’s why Anet is expanding their content to reach the raiding crowd.

I have ascended zerker armor/weapons, etc, it will take time for me to craft an ascended sinister set (since I have no intention of swapping out my zerker). I take it it’s better for me to stay zerker than to craft an exotic sinister set until I can craft the ascended sinister?

I don’t see why Anet can’t add raids. Don’t like raids? Don’t do them. There is plenty of casual content in this game. In fact, the majority of it is casual content. Doesn’t hurt to add something new to the mix. I work too, god knows whether I’ll have time for these raids. But they should still exist for those who do like them.

Though I think the raiders are in for a nasty surprise if they think raiding will be the main way of getting the armor. Raiding will be a step in the process, but there will be many other requirements that will most likely not involve raiding, like say sPvP. The legendaries will likely involve doing various types of content.

Kimyrielle.3826:

Bearhugger.4326:

Kimyrielle.3826:

Testudo.4620:

people that complain about not wanting to play hard content for exclusive gear just remind me of soccer moms asking to see the manager

“Live and let live” is a concept that’s apparently alien to some people. I don’t care what items you have and where you got it from. Why do you care what I have and what I had to do to get it? It’s just…petty. One person loves to raid to get their legendary. That’s ok. The next person rather kills 10,000 karka. That’s also ok. Both takes time and effort. But the average raider apparently can’t be happy unless they can shove their “Elite Status” in other people’s faces. It’s the only reason why raiders would ever need exclusive gear for, after all. Can’t probably brag with a legendary if scrubs like me can get one for killing 10,000 karka, after all. As I said…petty.

Nobody cares if Arenanet decides to add legendary armors that don’t require raiding. (As long as it still takes a lot of work to do.) They can reward with legendaries whatever feat they consider worthy of a legendary. What we want is the raid skins to be exclusive to raids, ie: can’t get that same skin without raiding.

As I said…petty. There is no good reason why you would care about what stuff I have.

Because people believe in getting rewards proportional to effort. Put it this way if there was an alternative to get this stuff it needs to be through a method equally difficult as the raids. Or if it is easier, then it should take significantly LONGER to get the item.

I’m very unhappy about this as a ranger main.
One BWE is simply not enough to test out druid.

Jesus Christ. Legendary armor and weapons are the same stats as ascended, there is no other tier of gear. You don’t NEED legendary. At all. It’s just there to be shiny and pretty and for stat swap convenience. You are still on the same playing field if you craft yourself a full ascended set, which is grindy but very easy to do.

I highly doubt the piece that drops in raids will drop anywhere else. I wouldn’t be surprised if forging the legendary will require you to do different things in each of the game modes.

I’m just saying you should prepare to be disappointed. They will likely make people do a lot of specific content/achievements for this stuff. It’s probably going to be very grindy and boring as hell. Which is why I won’t bother with it. But legendaries have always been a grind, so whatever…

rotten.9753:

Were you expecting only people that would agree with you stance participating in those topics?

If that’s the case, everyone should stop responding to this topic.

True. The OP wrote another post before about rewards and it became a very long thread and just was the same arguments back and forth for 15 or more pages. I imagine this one will just turn into the same thing.

Ohoni.6057:

And that was a huge mistake because it greatly devalued legendaries. Anet apparently agrees considering they are account binding things this time around. Again, you are most likely going to have to do very specific content to get these legendaries. If you are not prepared to do that content, then you will not get a legendary armor. Maybe there will be an alternative to raiding, but it might be something you don’t like either. I don’t imagine you can faceroll your way to a legendary this time.

Nobody’s talking about “facerolling” anything except for straw men, but there should be alternatives that don’t involve having to participate in raiding. Raiding is not for everybody, that’s one of the main reasons why GW2 has players, because some people didn’t want to be playing WoW.

Ahh you always love to bring up strawmen time and time again, but people in that other thread pretty much admitted to wanting to do faceroll content. They also admitted that they didn’t want it to take too much longer than hard content, despite the fact that it is faceroll content and should take significantly longer.

Ohoni.6057:

Then you can buy them off the TP, that’s an option for the weapons. It’s not the best option, I wish they offered better options, but at least it’s available if you absolutely don’t want to do the other stuff involved.

And that was a huge mistake because it greatly devalued legendaries. Anet apparently agrees considering they are account binding things this time around. Again, you are most likely going to have to do very specific content to get these legendaries. If you are not prepared to do that content, then you will not get a legendary armor. Maybe there will be an alternative to raiding, but it might be something you don’t like either. I don’t imagine a person can faceroll his/her way to a legendary this time.

NoTrigger.8396:

yea i hope no one is going to sell spots to people who dont wanna put in the effort to clear the content.

Unfortunately, this probably will happen. Already happens for dungeons and if you look at WoW heroic/mythic raiders sell runs all the time.

This is horribly disappointing. We’ll have only 1 weekend to test Druid, that isn’t enough. We all know from playing revenant and the other elite specs how much work and feedback was needed for them. How on earth will that happen for druid? Unless druid is almost perfect, I fear that things are going to be a mess for us.

I’m sorry but legendaries have NEVER been about nor never will be about “playing whatever content you like.” That’s just not the way it works. I hate map completion. It’s boring as hell to me, but if I want one of the current legendaries I have to do it. Who knows what the current legendaries will require, but it’s highly unlikely every step is going to be something you like.

Ugh, it’s NOT it’s own tier. It’s the same kitten tier as ascended. The only thing it has is a fancy looking skin and stat swapping (which is still possible even on normal ascended, it’s just more convenient on the legendary). That does not make it another tier of gear.

You realize at least one step of the legendary armor process will likely be in raids. That’s how legendaries are. They make you do a lot of specific content. You have to do WvW, you have to do map completion, etc. Not sure just exactly what these new ones will entail, but it might be more of the same in that you must complete specific content or achievements to build your legendaries.

Raiding is getting its rewarding content at least.

I’m pretty sure that’s not legendary. It’s nice, but I would think it’s not fancy enough to be one.

Heylel.2109:

I think the saddest part is the lack of Forum Posting Access…

Yeah, there are many other places where they can ask things, but seriously these are the official forums, these are the places where players should ask their inquiries.

I really don’t want them to have forum access except for the bugs and the tech support forums. If you’ve seen the forums of f2p games you would know why. We don’t need more trolls.

Gene Archer.8560:

TheGrimm.5624:

Gene Archer.8560:

Wow, look at all those restrictions put in place just to be able to play for free.

If you have to lock the game up that much, why even bother?

Actually we need more restrictions.

Like what? Cut their xp gain in half? Completely block their ability to chat? Make it so they can’t loot anything at all?

If they have to add even more restrictions, then they need to scrap the F2P idea, entirely, because any more restrictions and the game will become punishing to play if you’re a free player.

We’re already entering into SWTOR territory. The only thing they haven’t locked away are the hide shoulder/helm/glove slots.

I really, really HATED that about Swtor’s f2p. It’s really awful. But they have way more restrictions. I think the amount of restrictions Anet came up with for this is just right.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Mortifer.2946:

Sorry I was so sceptic. I have just created the F2P account and it looks like everything will be fine. No bot spamming, no gold selling, no changes to major things in trading post. I really like it. The restriction for free players are not restricting them from enjoying all the aspects of the game…. and if they want to join the community, they can either level up their ranks and levels, or buy the game.

Bravo ArenaNet.

I just shared this post with the team. Thank you for looking at this objectively and for sharing your thoughts. As one of our team said, “We really did think about this a lot.”

Hehe, we were nervous there for a bit. But yeah, I am happy enough with these restrictions. Good job guys.

You’re going to have to get over it. This is the model they are running with for all future expansions. Sorry, but that’s just the way it is. They gave veterans a free character slot already for HoT.

I can hear the massive qq from people if they make this legendary armor from raids only though. I don’t really care either way because I’m not big on legendaries in general…

I’m curious what other rewards might be given in these raids though.

omg, seriously people. I know Vayne tends to be very white knight at times, but he’s not wrong here. We were all acting like chicken little, but what they have revealed is not a big deal. It’s basically like an unlimited trial account. Plus the game is not f2p. HoT is still B2P and they aren’t moving away from that model any time soon.

Are people still crying about the f2p and how they think they deserve compensation? You are owed nothing. Plus the free accounts have many restrictions that b2p accounts DO NOT have.

Oh ok, just took a look at all the restrictions on the account. Yeah, it’s like an unlimited trial account. They don’t get log in rewards and whispers are restricted. Not too big a deal I guess.

I’m glad they are giving good rewards for raids. Still expect legendary armor to be grindy though. But that’s to be expected.

John Smith.4610:

Don’t worry, the economy will be ok. We put a lot of effort into keeping it protected.

I hope so.

Oh thank god they blocked free accounts from posting too. I’m still wary about this, but I hope Anet will be keeping an eye on things.

ForeverAway.5948:

we have dungeon and fractals alredy and there too hard and create the zerkermeta

pls no more it will ruin the game for me. More zerkmeta wont be beter

If you don’t like the cgc don’t do it. There is plenty of easy content in this game. There’s nothing wrong with Anet adding different content that appeals to different people.

Agent Noun.7350:

All of this is likely why they’re requiring SMS or other authentication for accounts from now on. The average troll is probably going to get tired of finding new ways to authenticate an account every time they get banned.

That’s not good enough. For the f2p accounts they need to require SMS ONLY. No authenticator option at all. That might be the only way to curb some of the trolls since we lose the barrier to entry from b2p.

yorick.1305:

Unless raids are ‘paid’ content.

Ouch.

Raids will be HoT related most likely. So yes, they will be paid content. There’s nothing wrong with that. They want to raid, they need to buy HoT.

Now charging gems to raid….that’s an abomination.

Iron, that was one YEAR ago. It’s highly doubtful that information is still accurate.

Well, I’m actually glad the news leaked now because at least it (hopefully) will not eclipse the raid news on Saturday like the HoT thing totally ended up eclipsing the guild hall news. Get it all out of your system now people!

NoTrigger.8396:

good and ……… finally!

Yup, that’s great news at least.

Though I’m sure the anti-raid crowd is pitching a fit. Oh well, too bad for them.

People are going to be demanding compensation for this too? You don’t need any kitten compensation.

ckotoc.5421:

Bahir.5132:

Nope, I don’t like “daredevil”. I keep thinking of a bad Aflack movie….

Watch the tv show(it is amazing) and you will forget the movie.

I second this. The netflix tv show is quite good. As far as I’m concerned Affleck daredevil does not exist.

haha, Daredevil makes me think of a blind attorney ninja dude. Not a bad connection to make.

I am happy about the raids though. So that’s good news at least.

I don’t like it, but it does make sense. They are already giving away the core game for free with HoT and this would allow more people to try out the game. Still, they are going to need some kind of restrictions or this will wreck the economy and Anet has always disliked things that mess too much with the economy…

I know, I don’t want more gold seller spam. There needs to be extreme restrictions of these accounts.

Yes, you will. They said so in that beta news post.