Guild Wars 2

FASTCAR.7831:

I love when people think there is no healing. As my sever rolls over server after server…..with me healing.

BBL guys have to goto a clicker anonymous meeting.

Cant answer all my messages : TO the 15 guardians that re rolled warriors your welcome.

Thanks for your abusive PM. I will be sure to take it in consideration.

CrossFire.8037:

All i see from your videos FastCar, is a clicker, trying to play a healer role which doesn’t exist in the game and offers very little in a large battle. You bring nothing to the table in your videos, other than sitting at the back whilst doing some very average healing. Bring your “healer” warrior build in TPvP and see where it gets you.

Well put and I agree with this, except for one thing:

Replace the word “average” with “weak”.

The OP is wrong.

People who agree with the OP are wrong.

I can’t really say more or the OP will report my post again.

Warriors just really need a way to cover the bleeds with other conditions, as well as have proper condition control/removal themselves.

Things are easy with warrior at low level as long as you go critlol spec with signets. That thing makes it hilariously easy and quick up to level 50-60 or so. Been a while since I levelled warrior but it was simple to say the least.

The difference actually gets bigger as you go up and unlock the guardian traitlines allowing better survival and damage, and the warrior falls further behind.

If anything the strongest time for a warrior is at low level when the higher baseline armor and hp means something with the lack of utilities and gear available, and ofc signet lolcrit spec.

Yeah this has been one of the most read and most useful posts on this forum really.

A guide this good only comes every once in a while.

Piken roleplayers = small / mid scale heroes fighting outnumbered (and winning)

Think the movie 300 with even more ERP

Mint Rubber.6543:

If you’re going for max survivability in solo pve then full cleric/banner regen is the way to go.

I tested 3 gear sets with axe/mace against different level champions in solo mode (a risen noble in Malachor’s Leap, The branded general in Iron Marches, Corrupted Kodan in Snowden Drifts).
-First set was full exo soldier’s with ascended back, rings and amulet. I managed to survive for quite a while but in the end the champ wore me down before getting him to 50%.
-Second set was full berserker with ascended back and rings. Burst dmg means nothing when you’re soloing a champ who attacks a bit faster than a turtle (most champs). Dodges go a long way but 2-3 hits and you’re dead.
-Third set: full cleric (no ascended), banner of tactics regen, healing signet, full adren. Alt+tab and go eat a sandwich. Return from time to time to reset the banner and you’re golden.

Now I’m not touting this as the discovery of the century but my tests yielded the results shown. In terms of pure survivability a max regen warrior with tactics banner and runes of the grove (some protection) can simply shrug off a lot of damage (either from champs or from packs of mobs).
Solo pve is the way of attrition if you want to complete group events by yourself.

What you’re seeing there is what we call “sustain”.

It’s what guardians have in very large amounts, and in many more ways than this.

Havidos.9328:

Don’t listen to those “Guardian” comments. I can out tank them any day of the week. Give this build a try:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIEQNAseUjkOJvNPuQ4wBE0DrILuCThfI9gMGw0A;TYAqsMZJyymlLLZWA

As for Weapons go with Sword/Shield from AC Dungeon (Pwr/Tough/Vit)
As for Runes go with Superior Rune of the Soldier
As for Sigils go with “Crest of the Soldier” in both
As for Accessories go with “Soldiers Field Guide” use “Crest of the Soldier” in it
As for Rings go with “Soldiers Rings” use “Crest of the Soldier” in it
As for Amulet go with “Soldiers RIngs” use “Crest of Soldier” in it
Use “Loaves of Raspberry Peach Bread” which gives you an additional +80 Vitality, +60 Toughness

If you have Ascended items later on, those will obviously replace the lower exotics.

Use that stuff and you’ll be fine. Keep a Rifle, GS and Warhord in your inventory for times when you need to switch stuff out. I run with Sword/Shield then Rifle for alt weapon.

Warriors are the best class in the game for a tank. We have the highest health pool out of all the classes. Remember that more Toughness protects you from physical blunt attacks (swords, axes, arrows,etc) where as Vitality protects you from Damage over time effects and keeps you alive longer.

If you have any questions at all, feel free to PM me anytime.

The ironic thing is that this above isn’t even the best way to be tanky on a warrior, while also being laughably much, much worse than a guardian.

I think in order to salvage the personal story, they need to make Trahearne much stronger, and make him utterly destroy all the mobs he comes across.

Yes, it would make the personal story missions too easy.

But something has to be done so the player doesn’t just hate this guy for hijacking the spotlight while basically being worthless in actual fights.

Charlie Sheen plays D/D ele.

FASTCAR.7831:

Nea, I said : I do not show all my trics or tacticts for a REASON.Why would I give people I fight against so much power?
I change my skills 50x a day. based on fight, group and other factors.
Sadly 350-400 ticks DO help. 50+ people a day thank me fo healing and tell me how much it helps.I have NOT healed and then healed for thounsands of battles.I see the diff.
Sorry if our server crushed you(

I frankly dont care what claims any of you “see”.As of YET no one has shown anything better or even close on a vid.

“more then 5 is not possible to heal at once”
Play with your pause key..I have vids with 7-50+ at a time. I think this is like 10-15 often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuPV0Jhe7w8

Again what I tell you is proof of concept..NOT all that I can do.

Does the US Military tell china/russia ALL our secrets?
I mean most think the TR3B is a “ufo” lol

I tell you just enough, if you dont like it…dont post.
I HAVE told other Yak bend folks.

Ty for the now 300+ Subscriptions and thanks.Also the 400+ views.
Sorry I can not answer all your PM and Emails. WIll address some of them later today maybe.It is my birthday.Going out a while and no work.

• was sent a pm SAYING " I bet all these kids who dont understand the build /power of heal are the same ones that used cheat codes on nintendo and playstation and xbox"

I agree. They want everything handed to them. Doing actual work to test and learn, never gonna happen.

100+ asked me " do these nubs upset you or get you mad"?
No, all the better….that much easier for my server to roll over what they play on.

As usual those that have real questions, feel free to ask away.

14 DPS+ 1 healer VS 50+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3awZ5dZTIfc
naaa heals dont work

Get help.

Roll guardian, pretty much

FASTCAR.7831:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyBDhg_hkcU

If you can’t see how little healing that is, I don’t know what to tell you.

Those little ticks of 300 mean nothing. They are saving no one. You’re just part of a pug zerg and not really doing anything in it.

You think because you see 5 little green numbers, that you’re doing amazing healing. You’re not.

The fact that you think your tiny heals are making any difference to the outcome of fights means you really don’t understand the game.

Mindtrick.5190:

xiv.7136:

Adaneshade.2409:

TainoFuerte.8136:

Ah, the L2P and “all thieves are just better people” arguments. What would a thief discussion be without these?

More likely – bad players are getting held up by an overpowered class.

The L2P and “people are garbage” observations go both ways. Just so happens thieves are the exception to the rule and are solely populated by good players? LOL

It’s not that playing a thief means you’re better. I’t simply that soloers are better players than those that play in groups by necessity.

Most people who like to play alone and dislike groups tend to pick stealth classes in MMOs for avoiding zergs. This causes the stealth based classes wind up with a higher population of people who focus on dominating in PKs from the release of the game, even before anyone knows what balance is like.

(TLDR – Playing a thief doesn’t automatically make you pro, it’s just that good soloers with allot of experience in the genre tend to roll stealthers for soloing, giving the thief a high concentration of great players compared to other classes.)

I’ve heard the same argument used regarding magic classes, tanking classes, healing classes and sometimes even sub-specs of classes.

It’s not true.

The best soloers, in every game, play a variety of classes.

In GW2, the best soloers I’ve seen tend to play mesmers, warriors and elementalists.

In fact, most people who roll thieves are bad at solo’ing. They roll thief to use stealth as a crutch to mitigate their lack of skill.

See how easy making arguments like that is?

No they play engi.

Or ranger.

Adaneshade.2409:

TainoFuerte.8136:

Ah, the L2P and “all thieves are just better people” arguments. What would a thief discussion be without these?

More likely – bad players are getting held up by an overpowered class.

The L2P and “people are garbage” observations go both ways. Just so happens thieves are the exception to the rule and are solely populated by good players? LOL

It’s not that playing a thief means you’re better. I’t simply that soloers are better players than those that play in groups by necessity.

Most people who like to play alone and dislike groups tend to pick stealth classes in MMOs for avoiding zergs. This causes the stealth based classes wind up with a higher population of people who focus on dominating in PKs from the release of the game, even before anyone knows what balance is like.

(TLDR – Playing a thief doesn’t automatically make you pro, it’s just that good soloers with allot of experience in the genre tend to roll stealthers for soloing, giving the thief a high concentration of great players compared to other classes.)

I’ve heard the same argument used regarding magic classes, tanking classes, healing classes and sometimes even sub-specs of classes.

It’s not true.

The best soloers, in every game, play a variety of classes.

In GW2, the best soloers I’ve seen tend to play mesmers, warriors and elementalists.

In fact, most people who roll thieves are bad at solo’ing. They roll thief to use stealth as a crutch to compensate for their lack of skill.

See how easy it is to make that kind of statement?

The main thing now is to really focus on the SOTG.

GW2 CAN be the next League of Legends. It needs stuff fast.

Don’t let the devs spam marketing crap.

Definitive answers, no “when it’s ready, soon, etc”

No speeches.

No promises.

Just facts. What have you got, when is it out, day and month. Nothing else.

Ljiona.9142:

I saw a rabbit once.

I like rabbits.

TheWalkingDead.7298:

Thousand blades? That sounds cool, i’ll take that over this wimpy hundred blades I have.

This is the warrior buff everyone is waiting for.

AlBundy.7851:

nice video an excellent showcase of backpedaling. Should really help the warrior community out if you want to play warrior transfer to that guys tier and fight against the roleplay server they eat 100 hundred blades to the face like a baws.

pretty much

Brigg.6189:

shout healing unnoticeable? 3576 x5 people = 17880 total healing every 20s without any +healing used. Imagine if you stacked a couple shout wars.

You gotta realise that blasting a water field can produce much bigger burst heals and on shorter cooldown.

And the staff elementalist can do a whole lot more than just provide the water fields.

Yeah, you don’t get it.

Try playing a cleric guardian and doing a dodge roll with the trait.

Or blast finisher an ele water field a few times.

Then do the maths on how many times those heals go off, compared to aggregated healing on banners.

Then you’ll understand why regen banners are garbage. You’ll get the same regen on more people with guardian and ele anyway.

They’re called combo fields – learn what they do

Guardian edges it.

Proper spec and it’s just the most solid and sustainable thing out there. With crazy utility to boot. Blast finisher on a 3 second cooldown is the most underrated thing ever.

The only time a warrior comes close is when a guardian is basically babysitting him.

Agreed.

On the whole, just a very good experience.

More to be done (always more) but on the right track.

D/D really is quite good for levelling.

Just make sure your hotkeys are comfortable and you can be really automatic.

D/D ele is actually pretty easy to play and things become pretty automatic after a while.

If anything, it’s worth levelling D/D just to get used to it.

I’d actually say it’s worth testing both.

For frontline, PVT is the gold standard and even then sometimes you won’t feel it’s enough. That’s just the nature of the front line.

Clerics is great on a guardian, really. It does what it does very well and can work pretty well even on frontlines, depending on how you play it.

Leo G.4501:

Sahfur.5612:

I’d rather it just give 30% damage reduction overall when maxed so we’d be a bit harder to kill like we were supposed to be. Or a 30% chance that everything is a glancing blow regardless of if it was a critical or not.

What about -30% Condition Duration on self?

ooh

That’s actually a pretty good idea = -30% condition duration, -60% chill/cripple duration?

So simple, and could fix a lot

killahmayne.9518:

an interesting take on the warrior, pretty sure this build is more useful than what most people are running nowadays thinking they are doing something.

I tried a healer spec warrior build, definitely different, wasn’t that bad. I can see your point about the warrior healing more than any other class over time. It is just a different type of healing, where Guardians have more burst type healing.

Just ignore the trolls trying to knock what you are trying to do. Healing 10-20 people with 400 ticks is a lot and you don’t really need tables and proofs to see that. That is about 4000-8000 HP a second which is actually pretty crazy and is probably more than what a Guardian can do, provided the fights are longer and more drawn out. Guardians might have nice burst heals and what not, but definitely not the sustainability of the heals that the banners offer and the radius.

I think the Warrior and the Guardian offer different types of heals that are optimal in different situations. Banners can take a bit of work to manage while Guardians can just heal based off of what skills, weapons and traits they have. I think both types of heals when put together would offer parties huge amounts of sustain and make them really hard to take down.

Most of the people who say Guardians are better healers probably have never made neither a full Guardian healer or a Warrior healer. People demanding her for proof when they themselves cannot provide proof that a Guardian is better yet claim it. It is just clown kitten that is typical on these forums.

To me it isn’t even about who is better at healing, because both Guardian and Warrior Healers have their places in WvW, and synergize well with each other with providing a combination of bursty healing and sustained healing. I think that is the point that people are completely missing, and are instead so fixated on who is the better healing class.

In my opinion though honestly, from a support standpoint (not just healing) I would rather go a Guardian because they can offer more in terms of boons, i.e 12 stacks of might, protection, stability, swiftness, regen, retaliation, aegis, etc.

You’re wrong for one simple reason.

Regeneration on its own is weak, it’s a basic background heal. It’s fairly obvious that 300 HP ticks aren’t going to save everyone’s life, otherwise adrenal health would be enough.

Also 5-person target limit. That’s basically a max of 5×300HP=1500 HP heals in a fixed area. If the zerg moves, that goes down to 0 and you have a huge banner cooldown.

It’s the other heals that make both guardian and elementalist much, much better healers than warriors will ever be.

I play a guardian, warrior, elementalist, thief, all full exotic every spec etc

Banners are basically trash.

Warrior healing with shouts is better because of the condition removal and off-gcd nature of shouts.

Guardian blows the warrior out of the water with dodge heals, and a massive amount of other boons as well as staff heals.

Elementalist I feel is the strongest – because of the water fields and other supportive abilities. Ele is just a great complete package.

warhorn is broken btw, it converts cripple before removing it, and leaves things like confusion etc

Shout healing is ok in coordinated teams for one reason: soldier’s runes.

And let’s face it, what else are you gonna do on warrior?

Banners? ROFL.

I played my elementalist today. In WvW.

I did more healing than you ever could on your warrior.

I did so in a practical manner, while fighting in zergs, and I did it while removing conditions, applying aoe CC (hello insanity that is static field) and applying nearly every combo field in the book.

Yes, combo field. You might want to look that up. It’s what does the most healing. Not the trash target-limited non-prioritised regen off banners.

And using banners for their blast finisher is ridiculous. There are much better ways on nearly non-existent cooldowns for huge might stacks and heals on water fields.

This whole thread is ridiculous.

It’s nothing but an ignorant player saying things that are plainly and obviously wrong, and showing a video of poor play, clicking and boasting.

If you are going to troll, you have to make it funny. This is just wrong, factually wrong.

Larynx.2453:

xiv.7136:

We can all agree 3% damage bonus for F1 burst abilities is well, totally crap.

A lot of the changes so far revolve around either putting it back to 30% like it was in beta or making it some sort of cooldown reduction like ele attunements.

However, the warrior’s main weakness in s/tPVP has been condi removal and also fighting bunkers with easy access to boons.

What if both could be fixed with one change to this traitline.

At max, the discipline tree gives:
- 30% chance to shatter all boons on target and remove all conditions on self with burst ability

This would make adrenaline building and cooldown reduction of F1 ability both valuable, and make spending adrenaline much more attractive – all without making the warrior too guardian-like with regen and prot.

It would also make F1 an actual mechanic beyond just damage, and would apply evenly across all weapon types.

Holy RNG batman, that’s a terrible idea. That’s basically like, “Hmm, so if I heal I have a 50% chance to heal and a 50% to gain nothing.”

Sure, it’s better than 3% damage, but it promotes an absolutely terrible gameplay system. There’s a reason games are starting to shy away from things like dodge chance, etc. It’s an old and out dated relic of the past that was only necessary due to the limitations at the time. GW2 already has enough of this as is, this is simply a gamebreaking change you’re suggesting.

For rule of thumb, the chance for something to occur scales with the impact of this something. 100% chance to stun a target for 2s on hit? Great! 1% chance to heal for 100 on hit? Great! 1% chance to stun for 2s on hit? No. Additionally, it’s bad competitive design to make something RNG based when it doesn’t have to be. Let’s take 15% bleed duration. You can make that 100% chance for bleeds to have +15% duration, or 15% chance for bleeds to have +100% duration. One of them can cause you to win a game because of a dice roll.

Want to know a simpler solution to the issue?

Mobile Strikes
Movement skills cure immobilize, cripple, and chill.

or

Reckless Dodge
Damage foes at the end of a dodge roll and cure chill or cripple.

Reckless Dodge might be slightly overpowered, and Mobile Strikes makes 20 discipline a requirement. Pick your poison.

Boon striping is not an issue that prevents warriors from being viable, by the way. Warriors are simply vulnerable to conditions, lack defensive capabilities relative to other roamers, and are countered by chill and cripple. Damage wise they’re gimmicky but overall fine.

Burst skills in general need some sort of rework, especially on the greatsword. The adrenaline system is virtually pointless and boring. However 30% total boon strip and condi removal is not an answer.

I sort of agree with you on this.

However, I’d say make it

Mobile Strikes
Movement skills and whirl finishers cure immobilize, cripple, and chill.

The thing is, that still doesn’t solve the 3% damage issue in that traitline. There has to be some way of making that less ridiculously broken and unfinished.

FASTCAR.7831:

Easy to talk and have an untested theory:
Show us your video of ( insert class here) healing better then warrior
Show us you even doing 400 a tick
Till then….shhhhhhh
let the big kids talk

I stand by my earlier statements.

You’re just wrong.

Also, stop clicking, use keybinds.

FASTCAR.7831:

Well, my last post got removed because of caps in first line.Seems odd but rules are rules.

This was the idea of the post:

Hi, Nicole here. Don’t post often.
Played 20 healers in 20 MMOs since Everquest 1 and DAOC.I am one of the wierdos that likes to heal or support.
As we know, GW2 has no “real” healer.Well, I can’t accept that.
So I went to the mysts and made EVERY class, I used EVERY possible build,EVERY rune set,EVERY sigil.
Sadly 12+ hours later, and 44 charts and graphs , I came to this conclusion:
Warrior is by far the best pvp/wvw combat healer.

B4 one of you tells me how your ( insert another class here) “pwns” at healing and you “like save people non stop”…..
I play daily at work and some at home.8-10 hours a day. ONLY wvw. I have seen it all and battled vs them all…server after server.Was here from day 1.
1.It is VERY rare to see or play with a fully exotic geared/ traited 100% healer of any class.
2.Yes I see some sort of, pseudo healers that dps and sort of heal.

After playing them all, I can say : other classes just do not heal as well or survive as long ( letting me heal longer). Not to mention my AOE dps is quite decent now ( bow).
Other classes can heal yes, but with terrible range, cool downs or they are a glass healer.
I can now spam ( usually) a 12+k AOE blast bow attack and 3k physical AOE bow attack. I know I am not dps, nor do I try and be, the AOE is quite nice though.

Stats and numbers for the number people:
Depending on exact setup ( based on my group):
I have 2200ish-50 000 hit points,3200-5000 armor, up to 2019 heal power, up to 2000 condition damage,17 seconds of defy pain/Block..and I self regen 900-1166 per tick full time.My self heal is 10.5-12.5k.Dropping me is not easy.

Heals :new trick at bottom I can AOE regen 900 range 333-409 a tick NON stop always+ buffs that come with flags. ( never ending)OR I can AOE shout heal 600 ranage+cure+buff instantly 9000 about every 20 sec.( again, based on whats best for group makeup.)
YES healing is weak in this game, but a dedicated full time skilled healer is a night and day diff in fights.Seen it literally thousands of times.Our usual 5 man rolls 5-15 mans easily.
In fights where its my server ( usually out numbered 2-5 to 1) when some team has us stuck at our main base steps for hours…I show up, in 5 seconds we push them back to our OL and promply take it back NP at all…then continue on to take 1/3+ of the map.
I am NOT here bragging about me or my skills. I am a serious player that has played many healers in many MMOS, many of them pvp games.
•I have found a way within the rules to both shout heal and massive regen same time, also how to regen 20+ at the same time**….a girl must have a few secrets )

FASTCAR EVOTURBO ( or Im Sooo Cute and my pet Piggy tails)
http://ascendant.dkpsystem.com/viewpic.php?id=161

For some vids ( im a nub at youtube and vid stuff)
Youtube : GW2 YAKS BEND NICOLE: there are 6 vids….you may have to hit my works youtube account under vid “Boostedlaser” to see all 6 current vids.
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK9_rzwD3b0
Next series is the PROPER way to make a condition build ( 2000-5000 damage per tick)
Please watch in Full screen and 1080p
Read descripts and comments under vids.

Hugs
Nikki

may be easier to youtube “boostedlaser” and see all my vids there
please watch in 1080P high def and full screen
make sure to read descripts and comments.

New vids include a sample of condition warrior.WIll make a thread about that
Yet to upload is my ranger build:
Special cat " piggy tails" that can crit for 9000,can heal 15,000- 30,000+ per fight,80-100% crit rate,stacks 4-16 bleeds for 25 sec 66 a tick.runs 90% faster then you can.Well enough of the teaser…more on this in thread #3

I love this game, just wish Necro and Eng got re-done.

Everything you wrote is wrong and ridiculous.

Your videos with the clicking and the regen ticks of 350 don’t prove anything.

Guardian outheals a warrior easily, and that’s even before the lovely protection, aegis, elite etc figure in. Even an ele does more healing than this.

Please do some proper research, you’re just wrong.

CookMETEnder.7582:

Shatter all boons… I see the guardians crying foul already

If that were to occur, then this change would be deemed a success ;D

It’s still just a 30% chance, which is definitely not OP.

If anything, it could be worth putting it even higher, like 50% chance.

Monki.5012:

I say they should change it to 1,5 per point “Increased Brust effect”

Depending on the weapon your are yousing in mainhand with 30 points this will change to:

Sword/Longbow: 15% longer bleeding/burning duration
Axe/Rifle: 15% increased critchance
Hammer/Mace: 15% increased stunduration
Greatsword: 15% increased fury duration

These would do absolutely nothing to increase warrior s/tPVP viability.

This isn’t about PVE.

We can all agree 3% damage bonus for F1 burst abilities is well, totally crap.

A lot of the changes so far revolve around either putting it back to 30% like it was in beta or making it some sort of cooldown reduction like ele attunements.

However, the warrior’s main weakness in s/tPVP has been condi removal and also fighting bunkers with easy access to boons.

What if both could be fixed with one change to this traitline.

At max, the discipline tree gives:
- 30% chance to shatter all boons on target and remove all conditions on self with burst ability

This would make adrenaline building and cooldown reduction of F1 ability both valuable, and make spending adrenaline much more attractive – all without making the warrior too guardian-like with regen and prot.

It would also make F1 an actual mechanic beyond just damage, and would apply evenly across all weapon types.

I’m not sure you understand the point of PVP videos.

2 of you ganking 1 poor guy in every scene does not make for one.

MrForz.1953:

Aberrant.6749:

Another vid of a thief killing players who act like cattle chewing grass…

Yeah but well, it’s so kitten easy. I’d like to see a Guardian, a Ranger or a Necro performing this with that much ease. There are 800 Thief videos for a reason.

The real reason opponents look a bit crap on thief videos is because they can’t see the thief – even if they are good players. That’s it really.

People aren’t mind-readers, swinging in mid-air and burning aoe cooldowns when the thief isn’t even there is going to look dumb any way you look at it.

Basically stealth is the crutch that makes the thief player look better than he/she actually is.

The trait should just be included baseline, after all it’s not really a “vengeance” if you die after killing your opponent anyway.

But yes, warrior downed skills aren’t great (along with necro), especially compared to the delay/disruption possible on thief, mesmer, ele or even engi/guardian.

You’re the one that I want?

good video, make more

Ortho.4530:

Heres a pretty OP thief roaming solo in WvW, notice how he doesnt die until the very end!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqmqEpM9QO8

That is a hilarious video.

He makes so many mistakes, and yet still survives.

Backstabbing mesmer clones, missing backstabs repeatedly, backstabbing from the front, missing 3 CnDs in a row, getting caught with cc, running out of initiative, CnDing into revealed debuff…

oZii.2864:

Columba.9730:

nope. thieves can get 50% run speed.

movement speed has a cap at 33% (swiftness) nothing can go past that. at least read the wiki on the thief so you can be more informed when you complain.

Fleet Shadow
Trait line Acrobatics Tier Adept Type Major

Move 50% faster while in stealth.

This works at the full 50% speed only when out of combat, but as an escape tool it can work wonders. It caps out at 33% in combat, but this might be a bug.

It’s very clearly signposted as a PVP zone.

Can’t really complain about getting into a fight in there.

Dual.8953:

xiv.7136:

Dual.8953:

xiv.7136:

Dual.8953:

Columba. I extend that challenge to you too. S/D Theif, TA, Orr, no stealth, recorded. No hiding behind your party. Make it happen.

It’s very easy btw.

You must either be new to thief or not very good.

You’re skirting the issue. If it’s so easy then prove it.

Sorry but I’m not making a video showing you evasive build thief. There’s already a few around and they can facetank PVE crap all day, better than most other classes.

So you can’t prove it then.
As you should know, S/D’s only decent attack skills are its auto-attack and tactical strike. In that respect it’s the more defensive of the 2 sword sets, lacking a true burst move and needing stealth to achieve its control style gameplay. The fact that it requires stealth to Daze unlike S/P, makes it more in tune with the traits in the Shadow Arts tree, where kitten P’s access to blind and daze without stealth and having Pistol Whip makes the set more offensively oriented out of necessity.

If you don’t know about the evasive build thief, means you have literally no thief experience.

Also, PVE lol

oZii.2864:

xiv.7136:

oZii.2864:

Columba.9730:

anet specifically stated that stealth is not the primary mechanic for thieves. sorry. try again.

link? cause according to the profession description it says otherwise. I am sure someone from Anet wrote it.

Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves can move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which can make them very hard to hit.

Thief characterised by:

- Stealth
- Steal ability
- Evasion

That’s already 3 different mechanics, stealth is only part of what the thief does.

Also, it says nothing about dealing damage, so thieves should not deal damage. Reduce thief damage by 80%.

So you can see that quoting the class description is pointless. It’s not a proper argument in a debate on class and ability balance.

Some of the highest single target damage available is in the blog post. I can grab that quote if you like.

The class description isn’t pointless at all because that is the intent of the class.

When someone sits down to design a new car you don’t think they sit down and draw up what they want they vehicle to be capable of? They don’t decide if they want it to be a 4 seater? How what luxuries it has etc. Then they go to the press to try to create the product that they envisioned.

You do that with anything it’s prior planning. That is basically the mission statement for the thief what role it is suppose to be capable of filling in the game. Builds then are made by the players usually having to revolve around those.

You know you’re clutching at straws when you’re using roleplay class descriptions to support an argument about PVP class and skill balance.

It also says necromancer can cheat death, does that mean necro should have an ability to self-ress on a 3 second cooldown? Of course not.

oZii.2864:

Columba.9730:

anet specifically stated that stealth is not the primary mechanic for thieves. sorry. try again.

link? cause according to the profession description it says otherwise. I am sure someone from Anet wrote it.

Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves can move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which can make them very hard to hit.

Thief characterised by:

- Stealth
- Steal ability
- Evasion

That’s already 3 different mechanics, stealth is only part of what the thief does.

Also, it says nothing about dealing damage, so thieves should not deal damage. Reduce thief damage by 80%.

So you can see that quoting the class description is pointless. It’s not a proper argument in a debate on class and ability balance.

Dual.8953:

xiv.7136:

Dual.8953:

Columba. I extend that challenge to you too. S/D Theif, TA, Orr, no stealth, recorded. No hiding behind your party. Make it happen.

It’s very easy btw.

You must either be new to thief or not very good.

You’re skirting the issue. If it’s so easy then prove it.

Sorry but I’m not making a video showing you evasive build thief. There’s already a few around and they can facetank PVE crap all day, better than most other classes.

Dual.8953:

Columba. I extend that challenge to you too. S/D Theif, TA, Orr, no stealth, recorded. No hiding behind your party. Make it happen.

It’s very easy btw.

You must either be new to thief or not very good. Just don’t use S/D and spec for evasion.

Inventing artificial challenges like necro must facetank TA with staff and zerk gear is neither here nor there.