While I agree that condi chrono is overtuned, I’m curious as to what you think should be changed about it considering you didn’t list anything specific.
I have faced off several times with the Condi Chrono and never had a issue with them. I wonder if people just don’t have or not using the skills to clear conditions??
Never really had a big prob with thief’s either.
. wvw need to be rebuild..make it into a pvp browser select if you want a big army fight pick the server matchup with alot of people if you wana havok or small fights for people that lag you can specifically go to it. Im tired of PVD if your winning all the time or not being able to get out of your spawn if your being crushed.
Ya know, after seeing COUNTLESS ideas on how to improve WvW, I have to say by far your idea is actually pretty clever, original, and makes the most sense of anything I have ever seen.
Pick a match up that works for you. Wanna blob fight, or Small fight groups of 10 or 15, just pick the one you want, jump in, have fun. No more server stacking, You get to run and play with new people, and your not getting steam rolled all the time, and no matter what time of day you play, you can find other players, and not stuck on a server where no one else plays at the time you like.
Set limits to the worlds, Blob fights and the smaller fights, and even a roamers world where no tags are allowed, you can round a few people and see if you can take like a keep or whatever, or try a new build or toon and see how it does when you run across another roamer.
Your idea is just brilliant, makes sense, and imho, would really bring life back to WvW. Sadly that means Anet will never do it, allow it, and tell us its just impossible. Now go buy gems and try another server, smh.
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This is why my pu mesmer is my go to toon. They try and gank me, I simply stealth out, and blink my way out of trouble.
Anet needs to wake up, or they’re going to have an even MORE dead WvW. It’s honestly just pathetic at this point. Stop using kitten bandaids for problems and come up with some major solutions for a change.
If your referring to balance, that will be impossible. You have way to may fair weather players, if there sever is getting beat up bad, they will simply not play.
If there server is winning, even more will show up on hopes of bags. People log in to have fun, if there is a zerg running, and stomping everything in its path, they stick around, if there zerg is getting steam rolled, they simply stop playing.
Throw in the bad tags. The toons that tag up, yet feed there group to the “enemy” and play like they are from the other side.
So WvW is simply a crap shoot. If the zerg is strong, and the commander is good, the game is fun, if the zerg is weak, and or the commander is bad, the game is frustrating and not worth playing.
There is nothing ANET can do to solve this issue, unless they throw out some epic must have gear for wvw only, and x amount of time spent in WvW will earn you this gear.
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you seem to make some good points, I’m not into the game that much anymore so I’m not up to speed but I got the gist. one thing that seems weird though is your request to lower the siege cap. you want more siege? why lol?
Yea, I am not much into the game myself. Decided to get a gf and more of a life. Hey if I am gonna get screwed anyway, may as well get the pay off!!
Now on my server, we have someone that tags up allot, pretty decent tag, and he plays the same kinda toon I do, Condi PU Mesmer.
When I play, its for my own enjoyment, Not some random tag that thinks he/she is a great at fighting.
Really transferring is almost a waste of time. Servers implode, get bandwagon to, Guilds come and go.
What may be a great server, may turn to garbage in few months. Every server is gonna have good and bad. If you really wanna change things up, then pick your fav play time. Pick a border land, tag up, and if your good, in time, people will start showing up to follow you.
IMHO, WvW has allot of players that will log on and play if its a good fight, or your doing the karma train.
If you server is getting steam rolled, and its nothing but huge blob wars all the time, them allot of them will simply log out, and go play something else.
I know when my server faced off against another that had us out maned 3 or 4 to 1, I simply logged out, and played something else. Facing them kind of numbers just makes the game no fun to play. No point in trying to take anything, cause the blob is just gonna show up and steam roll ya.
That when I see a large group of people, my very fist thought is “look at the size of that zerg”???
When walking alone, I have caught myself thinking “Man I hope I don’t get ganked”
Watching a war movie, I have said out loud, and confused my gf when I pointed at the T.V. and said “Look at them Turtle and hide behind siege”
Then when they went after the battleship, I did wonder, why didn’t they go for them big cannon’s first??, you always get the cannon" first!!.
While watching my fav holiday youtube videos of black Friday, I saw three guys beating up one other guy and thought “yea I know what server there from……typical”
My all time fav, is when I saw two guys fighting, I thought “I could gank that one guy so easy” Of course I didn’t.
So this holiday season, or anytime is good, use some WvW in front of a clueless person just to see there reaction. Chances are, they are gonna give you that look that says “Yea Doc needs to adjust your meds”.
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Are there any stronk guilds on T1?
Not so much. Most your really good guilds are on less populated servers. The bigger servers simply count on numbers.
I know the server I am on has been facing some HUGE numbers 24 hours a day. Im in T2 and our “opponents” have been impossible to face. So all we can do is turtle, and hide behind seige, even then sometimes its not good enough.
So depending on how the linking goes, and what tier we end up on, I may transfer down to a less populated server. Fighting blobs is simply no fun.
IMHO, its the free to play model in WvW. Real easy to get a free account, troll the server your playing against, then log back into your reg account, and watch the fun.
Many a time it sure seemed odd that seige trolls run out a objective, only to have it hit by the enemy a short time later.
There is no easy fix. Servers will always be stacked, multiple accounts just mean people can log into the account of the server that is wining at the time, and steam rolling and karma farming.
IMHO, if it could be done, your i/p should be attached to the server your on, so no server hoping. your where you are, and no free accounts on other servers. Thats my 2 cents.
It really breaks down to play style, and the size of the server. Anything from t3 on up, your gonna need some stealth cause roaming, you will run across small groups looking for roamers to gank. The stealth will get you out of a pinch if needed.
I like arkane thievery, sends the conditions you have back to the source, and just another way to clear conditions. I am thinking of switching to sword from sceptor, but I like staff myself.
Just play it, then adjust as needed to better fit your play style.
There is an advantage to spawn camping, that being when a server is going after a major objective on the map. SMC being a good example, or a garri.
Myself I wouldn’t. I never have used the flavor the month build in WvW. I built mine around my play style, and what works best for me. In the end, Anet will always nerf this, buff that to the point that people will simply have to rebuild there mesmer.
They prevented this already. If you notice to the left and right of every spawn on every map, there is three exits. A server cannot possible cover such a wide range, so spawn camping as you call it is only there because you allow it.
Well if they have a couple of thief’s at the other two exits, it can be done. The Blue keep is the worse to get out of.
But yea, I agree with others, either hit another map, or simply log out. I know when the blobs get to bad, and make the game to tuff to play, I simply log out, and go do something else.
I get some heat for this, but really, you need to figure out how you want to play a mesmer, and what you wanna do before deciding on a build.
Me, I play a PU condition Mesmer, I MAY sometime switch to a more power based, but its gonna stay PU. Roaming, you REALLY need allot of stealth to get yourself out of sticky issues, in case you run across a small group just trying to gank roamers.
Just the other night, 5 man gank squad tried to kill me, my stealth, and blink got me out of it, then I trolled them, went back, found them, let them attack, then got away again.
As far as any build goes, never know with ANET, they will buff this, nerf that, so what works today may be broken tommorow.
Only thing you can do, is log out, either go play some pve stuff, or find something else to play. Thats what I do.
Sooner or later the over stacked server will get bored with no fights and stop playing. You can only Karma train so much before the boredom becomes to much.
Yb did this same thing to JQ, and it was all fun and games then. No, I don’t think it is a cool move. Do I think they will change the style of siege, I mean , play, nope. Do I think they will be humbled, nope. No Kittens given about YB tasting their own soup.
Oh dont even go there. Mag spends more time hiding behind siege then we do. Unless they out number us 3 to one they run every time we go after them.
They will jump up to T1 next week, My guess they get stomped. They can’t or don’t wanna fight open field. Not sure what happend to Dawn, they used to be pretty Good, but the time of day I play, we have taken them more than once.
Now that we understand how they play, things are allot better. Yea, we will get steam during NA, but other times of the night early morning, we been holding our own and taking there stuff.
So the enemy has held our keep for almost 2 Days now, Its so seiged up, not sure we will ever get it back.
I have played WvW for a long time, never seen someone take and defend a keep for such a long time. Normally, take it, defend it for maybe a Day, then let them have it back so there will be more fights. You dont wanna be so dominating that the other side simply stops playing. What fun is that??
So wont be playing this week, We are so out numbed, its no fun. So I guess they are just gonna have fun with no fights.
Thanks for killing the fun this week, enjoy your easy week my friend.
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I myself cant stand not having travelers on. With out it, and your running solo, feels like your running in glue. I forgot to mention, I am right now in T1, and Have been in T2, If you have no choice but to run solo to the tag, I just don’t see any other viable builds besides my PU Condition Mesmer.
Cause in T1 and T2 like others said, there are small havoc groups running around ganking toons trying to get to the tag, or back in the fight. What is really fun, and I just pulled this last night, got someone to chase me, they chased me to long, and I ran them right to the tag, needless to say, they got stomped.
Some may call it a “cheese build” or whatever, but in the end, I am having fun with it, I survive just fine, and have fought to a draw many a time. I just found my build works best for me, and my play style.
Now I am NOT blasting the chrono build, I have faced a few “chrono” builds, and Even ran across a duo of them a few times, was not impressed at all, now they could be new, or just trying a new build, or they could even be lagging, but the few times I have faced them, I have had no problems with them. The two on one I was able to fight to a draw, but again, could be countless reasons that happens. Until I personally run across a chrono build that not only impresses me, but can stomp my build, then its something I may consider, until then, let the cheese flow, and the kitten begin, cause I may not kill you, but again, you wont kill me either.
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I play a ton of WvW. One thing I learned long ago, you will NEVER run into a fair fight. Wont happen. Either your gonna get Ganked, or you will Gank others with another toon or two.
To survive in WvW, you need to give your self a out. Thats why I run a Condition PU mesmer. I get in trouble, I stealth out, and get out of dodge.
I use torch for the condition removal, and stealth, I also run staff so I can keep my distance for the hard hitters, and while in stealth, if I need more, I pop mass invisibility and or Blink to keep from getting Ganked.
Mostly, unless I get steam rolled, I can pretty much get out myself out of a Jam when needed.
Im on YB, and I HATE t1. HATE it so bad, I wanna transfer, but dont wanna pay the fee, so I simply dont WvW much any more. Yea YB does Ktrain, have to, facing the mag, or bg blobs in the times I play, we are just getting steam rolled. I hate one sided fights, I hate being on the winning and loosing side of em. Its no fun. So we hit bl and ktrain, really not much else to do.
Me thinks JQ is playing hooky. Im on YB, and most the time they are just steam rolling us bad, so is DB. I know we are beating them score wise, I guess we do well during NA, but any other time, JQ is just beating us like a read headed step child. Talk about Blobs. I think they are throwing the match to stay in T2 so they can farm us. Its bad. Think over the weekend they took our keep 2 or three times. Its like we are back in T1 which I HATE.
Giving serious thought to either stop playing or transfer to a lower server, the times I play, JQ is just farming us so bad, the game is unplayable. Even if we move maps, here they come……..and back to spawn I go.
I miss T3. During the times I play, them guys have given us some of the greatest fights I have ever been in. Lost many a time. I got all the respect in the world for em. They know how to fight. U even the numbers up, and the t3 servers would stomp just about any t2 or t1 server out there.
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I do miss some of the “Fun” commanders. Had one that had us all remove our armor, and go after stuff. Someplace, a commander has a pic of my toon, with 20 others at the hills, with no armor on after we took it.
The compander known as “grandpa” would have some of the most silly golem rushes I have seen. He would build a zerg of 40 and even 50 golems, lol, everything just melted.
I miss that commander.
IMHO, while linkings do have there issues. The biggest issue is the casual’s. If Team A is zerging hard, Then the casuals on team B and C will simply Log out, and go do something else, or they see the score is lop sided, they wont even bother to log in to WvW.
I said this in another thread, this week has been strange. My server is to op for our tier. But during the mornings when I play, you would never know it. I have had some amazing fights, been stomped on, failed at taking stuff. These guys are fighting with heart, and some amazing skills, and you would never know the score is so lopsided.
They are going after our t3 stuff, and I tell ya, it took everything we had to stop them, and they came SO close to getting it. Few times I thought for sure they had us. Well done guys. Keep up the fights.
While my server is just way to op for the tier we are in, the time of mornings I play, I have had some of the most fun. The fights have been awesome, and we have had our butts kicked many a time, and have failed at taking stuff countless times.
The servers we are against, are just putting up some amazing fights, and I thank them for it. My toon has been stomped on many a time. You guys rock, and fight with some amazing heart and skills.
It’s a bit of both.
Some people make alt accounts so they can read the enemy’s chat, sabatoge their supplies and waste their tactivators.
A lot of people blame “spies” when there really wasn’t anyone spying too, though. Their zerg gets wiped so “someone must be spying” when in reality they just don’t want to admit that they were being careless about their movements on the map.
Sometimes it’s spies, sometimes it’s trolls, sometimes it’s people making excuses because they don’t want to admit defeat.
But yes, there absolutely are spies in WvW and it’s a very scummy thing to do. We had one from TC last week that was wasting all of our keep supplies and even stated in chat that he was from TC.
Yea, thats just what a SPY would want us to belive. We are wise to your spy tricks.
When my server made the drop from t1 all the way to t3 and t4 I have been having more fun. We for sure should not be in t4, we need to be in t3.
Any who, the fights I have encounterd during the times I play, OMG, they have been awsome. Have won some, Lost some.
I am on yb. Now, I have not seen the double team of late, BUT, I have seen it before, and I refuse to be a part of it. I simply log out. I know a few others do the same. So if we have, all I can say is sorry. Its wrong. YB should know better, we have been on the other side of the fence, and complained about it.
It just drives people away when you have one server hitting the front of a keep, and the other server hitting the back. That is just no fun. All I can do is log out in protest. In hindsight, I should of baby sit a tower or keep, and said noting when the server we were double teaming was going for it.
Yes. TW is leaving TC and joining… TC. It’ll be a strange process with a lot of psychedelic drugs and out of body experiences, but it’ll certainly make for a lot of good stories for them to tell. There might even be a weird naked hippie or two. And drums. Lots of drums.
Drums are pointless…….needs more cowbell……………
I am offended by the number of X you use here. I formally ask the moderators to ensure no more than 3 in a row are used.
Well I am offended that people always use X, what about the other letters of the alphabet? Why is it everyone always has to use X. What about C, Or D, or even the odd letter Q??
So I think its time we all take a stand, “Other Letter’s Matter”!!
I really need a server that’s active during off hours. Really wanna get away from my server. So how long will this cheep transfer be for???
I can’t believe I am saying this, normally I HATE double teams. There for awhile, bg and tc were hitting us on yb pretty hard. While that seems to have stopped, it really only makes sense for yb and tc to hit bg together. Yes, I know won’t happen, but its the only way I can see T1 becoming even somewhat fun.
Makes me shake my head that ANET sees how bad it is, and does nothing to help. BG should of never been linked.
Its cool. I have a TON of other games to play, Mafia 3 is coming up soon, so I simply sit out WvW til things change. Let BG have it.
You ain’t seen bad play and siege humping till you’ve played vs YB
While YB is imploding big time. IMHO, it needed that. I have been on YB for a very long time, no plans of moving. We just had some very toxic commanders im glad to see gone.
Be interesting to see what happens to us over the next few months. Things change, and servers implode, and rebuild.
Maybe YB will be fun once again, there for some time, it was just a unfriendly place to be, and found myself hating to even run with the zerg. Hope we someday rebuild, and it becomes more friendly and more fun. Until then, I will just play something else. Transferring it pointless. With the linking system, who knows what is around the corner.
Think we lost a pretty big guild, and if thats the case, IMHO, its a good start to rebuilding the server that I hope one day becomes fun to play on once again.
I myself have simply stopped caring and pretty much playing. When they get the servers more balanced, I will start playing again, until then, with the lopsided fights and coverage, I will simply stay away and play something else.
I respect what your saying Straegen, I really do. Your right, for now, Guardian is the flavor of the month, that is until Anet decides to nerf this and buff that. I still disagree. No one toon is better at tagging than the other. Its all about how you play it. My mesmer tagged up can do just as well as any guardian.
If the zerg your running does not have the front line toons like warriors, and what not, one guardian is not gonna make a difference. Play what you know, practice, and don’t worry about what others think. The point is have fun. You enjoy your Engi, then use it, run it, you will do fine.
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I am shocked at the advice. Guardian is the best commander??? Please. The best toon for tagging up, is learning to play your toon and drive the zerg. I have followed just about every profession around, I have tagged up with my mesmer, and my ranger and did fine. I have taken keeps, and garrisons with them. I did all that with out team speak.
I have ran with a thief that was a commander, and he was awesome, always drew a big zerg.
Just use what ever toon you feel comfortable with, learn to command by watching others, maybe some youtube videos. In time, people will start to see your tag, and come running.
I found that you don’t really wanna look for fights, people want the loot and they want the tower takes. You will find most know what to do during fights. So if you find the zergs your fighting to be to much, then hit another map, or another area, and start taking stuff. if you find you need to defend, learn to place seige for the best results.
Just find the toon you like to use the most, learn how to use it the best. Its not about what profession your playing, its how you play it. I don’t care how you equip your cartoon, if your run across a huge zerg, your gonna die, WvW is never gonna be a fair fight. If your dying to fast, then learn to back off a bit, and use your range attacks.
Oh I agree, think the re linking once a month is gonna stop the transfers, and maybe stop things from becoming such a mess. I still think anet should of stepped in when they saw how lop sided the coverage was and fixed it. Now some are gonna think they will jump to ET in hopes of getting with BG and having a easy week of karma trains, and steam rolling. Boy are they in for a surprise, and can see lots of rants about how they transferd to a server that is getting owned.
Just glad I decided to stay where I am, see what happens when the smoke clears. May of saved myself some money.
Not sure why ANET let T1 become such a horrible mess. Now everyone is trying to transfer, and it looks like linking is gonna change once a month, so in short, they may of just spent money transfering only to find themselves right back where they started.
I know they are trying to let us decide on the whole linking thing. They are trying to figure out how often to change the links, My question is shouldn’t we wait and see how the whole scoring changes effect WvW first??
I guess because the majority want linking, and looks like they want it changed every Month, Then throw in the scoring changes, transferring worlds will almost be pointless if your wanting to stay in the T1 or T2 worlds.
I know T1 is a complete train wreck, maybe they should consider the re linking when the scores are coverage are completely lop sided. Once they find the right balance for coverage, and scoring, or as close as they can get, then leave things alone for awhile. Thats just my 2 cents.
I am not and wont turn this into a “match up” thread. Im on YB, and we have been in some epic open field fights. True, we back off and siege hump when we are out numbered by quite a bit.
The point is the balance. How can 20 toons take or do something against a blob of 50 or more?? Its no fun. When my server was the flavor of the month, and we were steam rolling other servers, I hated it just as much. I wanna have some nice fights, not a lop sided war.
I know things will change, they always do. I just wanna go back to t2 and curse the guilds that pushed us into T1. They got us there, then vanished.
Not sure how it is on TC. With us on YB, not seeing tags, not seeing players. Think allot of us are simply sitting out WvW. Could be allot of people are just gonna stop playing til we are moved back to T2. I know allot of casuals see the Horrible lop sided score and stay away.
I’m in YBBL. I was really hoping to drop to T2 this week. There’s no balance in sight. I won’t partake.
Please fix.
Yep me as well. With all the stuff locked, cant even move to t2 or t3. So just sit it out, see if and when things change.
When they asked about world linking, they never asked which tiers should be linked. IMHO, TI and T2 should not be linked. 3 and below, Yea, help them out some with coverage.
Now the people have spoken, then rotating links is the only thing that makes sense to keep one server from over stacking.
I think when the scoring changes, and the server link changes, the matches may be a bit for fun. I just firmly believe the casuals wont play when the server is loosing by that much, and at the same time, BG has allot more players playing because they are winning by so much.
Be interesting to see how all this plays out. See how the fights go if the playing field is more level. I have been in open field fights with both TC and BG, both servers put up a great fight. You can say this or that server runs away, or won’t fight fair, or bla bla bla. Well we are all guilty of doing the same thing we accuse others of doing.
Think allot of us on T1 simply dont care anymore. BG wants to blob and ktrain, well enjoy, the map is all yours. Most are not gonna play a game they stand no chance in, why keep having to respawn, and offer BG more bags?? Just pointless.
Things always change, think most the casuals look at the score, and figure why bother if its not even close. So for now, think allot of us simply avoid WvW, let BG have the map, wait and hope things change soon. What other choice do we have???
I was even talking to a couple of BG players, they are getting bored with no one to fight. Think they are getting just as tired of it being so lopsided as the rest of us.
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As a mesmer, never had a problem with them. They try to gank me, I simply drop radiation field right on top of me, and throw the conditions right back at em, and I have thrown moa at em, thats fun to do. So I never worry about em, and if all else fails, I simply stealth out myself, and poof im gone.
I would reply to this thread, but I am sure your ALL SPIES!!! This is a spy thread isn’t it?? Come on Spy’s. Tell the truth??