What’s wrong with us playing with Hugh? He is only grouches assistant/secretary. And the only thing we get in return is exclusive beta access to stronghold.
I would have competed in the last WTS and future ones if I was able to. Therefore I am obviously in favor of the rules being changed… That being said.. logistically it doesnt make since for them to take on the risk… Very few players are both underage and competitive enough to play in WTS…. Not worth it for them..
A few flaws with yo plan… For starters: your stalemates… Phantaram is extremely good at killing people… You would need a bunker if you didn’t wanna lose that fight…. If you have that bunker, you can’t win the game because bunkers suck at 2v2s and the second someone else rotates into that fight, it’s lost (note even if your guy comes in first, a bunker and a dps will not kill phanta)
Next problem: Toker: currently the only class that can play the role to shut him down is thief (nothing else can both keep up and compete) and since there is no thief currently able to do that (other than muffins) that’s gonna be a big problem for you…
Lastly: necro engi: it’s probably the strongest realistic conquest 2v2 in the game… Noscoc and I won about 40 weeklies in a row with that setup… I have extensive experience playing with that setup and I can explain how we would face any 2v2 matchup (ask if you have questions) the only thing that beats it is necro engi… GL
Imo it comes down to player skill and currently no single team is even remotely close…
This thread asked the best duelist… I don’t think your profession or build even matter for this category… It should be the best dueler in the sense of landing attacks… Dodging… Etc
In which case every burn guard is a bad dueler… I have yet to met a burn guard that actually outplayed me with skill… Same for power ranger… But when you watch the players I listed you can see skill
Best Duelist should be measured by 1v1 win ratio.
It’s build wars 2. There’s no way to measure what you’re asking. With your logic every condi class is a bad dueler because we stand there and look pretty while our conditions do all the work.
You might as well say Thieves make the best duelist in the game because they match your requirements perfectly.
haha what condi guard is hard countered by d/d ele and it would be more like 0/100 ele, 90/10 engi 10/90 necro 100/0 thief
Never met a d/d ele I absolutely couldn’t beat unless they used Diamond skin, or they switched to some Clerics build or something. No d/d ele meta can beat a condi guard 1v1.
Some of the best duelers I can think of play condo.. Noscoc is one of them…. Even a burn Guard can be considered good if they are able to repeatedly play perfectly by outplaying their opponent… That being said I have never met a burn guard who is genuinely a good player… And for thief, just bc they are rolling around and looking pretty doesn’t mean they are good, but constantly dodging correctly and landing attacks = skill
The thread asked for the best duelist not best build… While many duels are controlled by build, great players can rise above that and showcase their skill…. Which leads me to the conclusion that certain players are the best duelists based off me watching them duel and fighting against them
This thread asked the best duelist… I don’t think your profession or build even matter for this category… It should be the best dueler in the sense of landing attacks… Dodging… Etc
In which case every burn guard is a bad dueler… I have yet to met a burn guard that actually outplayed me with skill… Same for power ranger… But when you watch the players I listed you can see skill
to beat the eles you play power ranger.
to beat the thieves you play medi guardian
simple simple
Want to own noscoc, play a medi guardian
Want to own toker, play a medi guardian
Want to own phantaram, play a power ranger
Want to own backpack, play a power ranger
I swear if I was really invested into this game, I’d win wts ez pz, counter counter counter.
Want to win? Counter the other team.
If ESL was solo que able I’d be collecting a lot of cash. I counter half of abjured with medi guard.
Coincidence that no other team uses medi guard? They just don’t like to counter, they think playing a class that doesn’t counter really good is better than playing a class that counters.
That ESL site, needs some working on it too. You cant look at the teams from the main page.
All it shows is upcoming games and hardly has any teams listed.
So confusing to navigate, I don’t waste my time anymore.
They don’t make websites like that like they use too, back in the days, they use to be so easy to navigate PLUS they’d have music. You hardly find any websites with music in the background anymore.
They just don’t do stuff like they do back in the days anymore.
Lol.. I don’t even know what to say at this point… The only class on the Abjured that medi guard counters is necro… That being said the rest of the abjured destroys guardians and they peel effectively for noscoc so that it is not effective…
Also the fact that u think u solo quing would beat the abjured is adorable… But sure don’t waste your time on the “super confusing” website. … Also while classes like power ranger can 1v1 effectively on beach.. Conquest and LoS in general is a different story…. But please sign up for the next ESL with a few power Rangers and medi guards… I can’t wait to see you take home the gold
In regards to yall not thinking Toker is the best thief at everything.. Please give me names of players who are better, I’m actually curious
Also please invest more and win WTS (33 pages of forum responses isn’t invested enuf)
And I know what I am talking about. I won EU solo queue leaderboards WITH the best win % and in fact everytime I was active I was right at the top. You can say it means nothing or whatever, but the fact is I did and you didn’t. And that is SOLO, so I proved my INDIVIDUAL SKILL in every respect. So get over it. If you want to claim you know more than me then you should of proven it by winning at as high a rate as I did and having as high an MMR.
Ele/engi is OP to the extreme and that is a FACT. And its not just celestial, the classes themselves should be nerfed, that is another FACT.
End of story, gg all. If you think you know more than me you are wrong completely.
Thats cool. I won NA team q leaderboards with the second highest MMR in the game. I played condi engineer for about one year until celestial came about. During the summer I transitioned to celestial amulet. I agree with you 100%, engi and ele are OP or Outplayable. I hate when i get outplayed on my engi, i cant do nothin about it… and to be fair, your resume is pretty dang strong.. hell you won the solo q leaderboards… so yea i agree, we need to buff these outplayable classes
The vast amount of players playing N/A don’t want to put in the work or take it as seriously as the Abjured does. So they aren’t going to have any real competition any time soon.
This. We have practiced maybe three or four times. Abjured plays almost every day. On top of that they refuse to scrim so there’s hardly any point to play the game when your best source of improvement harbours feelings towards a certain individual and denies that. Solo queue and Team queue are a waste of time as well. Our best practice would be during the weeklies if we were able to get everyone on.
Anywho, doesn’t matter much in the grander scheme of life.
Radioactive practices multiple hours evey day of the week but it hardly matters when we try to make something incredibly ineffective like double power necro + bunk guard work.
High school athletes practice hours every day too… doesnt mean they will make it to the Pros, let alone to college…. #getgud #genetics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zO2wFkl46g
Uber… I don’t even no where to start… A. I tought darth engineer… Ask him how he learned and ask him if backpack is 10x better. You will get a yes to both….
And OMG luck can carry hot join 8v8s??? That’s crazy! That is even too hard for me many.. If you could get some sick nasty videos of him doing that I’d love to learn how!! And luck is probably the best necro ever ;D
Well its a good thing ‘they don’t play anymore’ (according to someone)
Because concidence of me looking at rosters and seeing new candidates to fulfill same roles. OPN and /\/\oobs.
Ya’ll should just be thankful all the good players quit so you guys can be considered the good players. Like Zombify and Shan, Supcutie play anymore? The OG of GW2/ Absolute Legends of NA. Remember Saatar? All good players quit, nothing but pve scrubs and bad team comps left. Another good player Deku God, he still play?
But as to point of this thread, should you be top 5? Nope, I’d rather have an active top 5 than a never playing top 5. Should they have something to help you get to top 5? Yes, they should have weekly in game tournaments anyone can join and give out 50 points to the people who won. An official GW2 tournament, not none of this third party bullkitten. Those developers need to stop relying everything on third parties. Those other sites do more work than GW2 developers do themselves to make this game more competitive.
Sorry me playing three games a day isn’t active enough for you..
News flash Zombify got kicked from his team one week ago because he wasn’t good enough…
SUp cutie is a good player but he quit very recently due to his lack of success in recent times….
Shan well he quit because he wasn’t old enough…
And really? Sataarcoeny? You pick a guy who played a mediocre phantasm Mesmer on an Xbox 360 controller?? Lol…
So far you top player list is as follows
Caed zoose oeggs Zombify sataarcoeny luck darth and Shan…. Even my ranking posts aren’t that satirical
Uber... I don’t even no where to start... A. I tought darth engineer... Ask him how he learned and ask him if backpack is 10x better. You will get a yes to both....
And OMG luck can carry hot join 8v8s??? That’s crazy! That is even too hard for me many.. If you could get some sick nasty videos of him doing that I’d love to learn how!! And luck is probably the best necro ever ;D
If anything he played at odd hours, avoided all the good players and won 99 times against scrubs.
Just think about it, do you really think your that good that you don’t lose any games 99 times?
Maybe if your playing scrubs yes, but theres a lot of good players out there to knock you the kitten out.
Backpack plays only during prime time, and then all day on the weekends….
He qs with the Abjured….
If Backpack Phantaram Noscoc Wakkey and Toker are quing…. name 5 players that will beat them…. there are no good players that can knock them out
Theres more people out there than that, that can own the people you mentioned.
Is that a joke?? Ask darth and luck if they can even get close to competing with us… And In case u haven’t watched ESL in the last two months… Caed ostrich and zoose lose every week to us…. Don’t get me wrong they are good players… But not quite as good
Regardless of farm board or whatever…. MMR needs to be a part of the ranking…
As it stands you can be in the lowest MMR bracket and still be at the top of the leaderboard… Honestly all that needs to change is have it like the last system… Based on MMR and add a requirement of 100 games per season or whatever…. At least on the last leaderboard, the best players were at the top…..
I actually think a farm board is a great idea… It incentivized bad players to play more… So maybe the farm board should give them like a few copper??? And then the big boy leaderboard can be based on my first paragraph
There’s already some evidence for this. TCG scrimmed against Abjured before WTS 1 and results were mixed. Noscoc did get bursted some, but seeing him troll TCG with flesh worm and spectral walk was amazing to watch. It was actually one of those rare times where it didn’t feel either side had a significant comp advantage, and it purely came down to who executed better.
Hahaha even … On EU servers
When TCG came to NA right after WTS they got 10-0ed by abjureds new comp on NA servers
i’m not saying all premades are invincible
i am saying when premades are done right, which happens quite often, they can easily go
80 – 0
i’ve seen very very good premade teams that just seem upbeatable…at least by pugs
u know the odds of getting 5 random pugs who have the necessary skills, teamwork, compositions and luck to win against a well prepared premade?
4 to 138 sounds about right
The actual number is 0.. Those 4 loses are when I snipe noscoc with a group of my own while he is team Qing with 4 players
Also it’s not easy to go 80-0.. If it is, why is there literally only the top 10 players with records close to that good??
If it’s so easy to go 80-0, why is no one else there? The bottom line is if I am Qing with a team, we are not going to lose. Even if you take the 5 best players below us, you will lose. Being the best in the game is what gets you 80-0 … Ts and a comp aren’t gonna help you much when you face is in team q…. And for those of you who tell me to solo q… LOL… I will fight a premade bc of my MMR and why should I solo q in a team game??? Last I checked your supposed to support people teaming up, not degrade it… And those 80 wins include teams like dodge or die, and every other decent team out there
Also just to be clear. We don’t use ts 80% of the time, I’m also usually messing around on Mesmer or something in ranked
I enjoy this new system.
I love playing new players that solo q…
The leaderboards finally don’t show me on top (was getting bored of seeing my name)
I can finally play more than 1 game at once since I get multiple pops in game.
This system gives me fun surprises all the time! In the form of random q pops…
I can finally solo q without worry of fighting other solo q players!! I get to fight real teams!
On another note, how can no team beat CM? Last I checked they were pretty meh..
This is like me complaining I can’t utilize swiftness while using mortar….
Sorry you can’t gain health in your second health pool?? And necros aren’t t2… The only problem is no one plays them well (except nos)… Best team NA has a necro… And I think TCG is trying to use one
Wow 1 good necromancer out of them all, that’s pretty bold to say lol.
I actually proposed this to Noscoc and he told me it would be a good start to fixing the Necromancer class.
Well it is a second health pool indeed but it is a second health pool that needs to be built up. Just to compare with other mechanics, an invulnerability such as endure pain, mist form etc can absorb a substantial amount of damage, whereas necromancers dont usually see above 50% life force (being generous), unless you are running a power necromancer.
Regardless of balance, this is another one of the many flawed deathshroud mechanics. If you read the post it says that we are punished for having a boon that we may have not even applied to ourselves.
I don’t know if you understand but when we receive the regeneration boon, it does not apply the full benefit to us, but we still have the boon and we can still be punished for it.
EDIT: I’d just like to add some other flawed deathshroud mechanics in this reply:
teammates cannot tell whether we are in deathshroud or not, when looking at the health bar on the top left
we cannot see our timers on our skills when we go in deathshroud. This is a problem because we cannot accurately dictate when we should leave deathshroud; sometimes ultimately leading to death.
Okay… Lol and if I am 100% hp and someone gives me regen … “Omg I’m being punished someone is going to corrupt it”
As nexed said, this game should be balanced from the highest tier… When I play noscoc he tells us when he needs a heal and we coordinate it…
Also complaining you can’t see your skill cool downs?!?!?!
A. No class can see their other weapon set
B. That’s a serious l2p if you don’t have a clue about your internal cooldowns
There are more than enough ways to gain death shroud… Allowing regen would make it last basically forever (traited for drain) making it basically impossible to kill a necro without wasting lots of offensive cooldowns on 10k health in ds…. If you need a heal… Leave death shroud….
And don’t worry, il try to avoid giving you boons because they make you so vulnerable…
This is like me complaining I can’t utilize swiftness while using mortar….
Sorry you can’t gain health in your second health pool?? And necros aren’t t2… The only problem is no one plays them well (except nos)… Best team NA has a necro… And I think TCG is trying to use one
I am making a guide on team fighting atm… I am trying to go over everything important… I would like to answer common questions in the video, so if yall could give questions or extra parts to include please share them with me here!
thanks, backpack
this is not a troll
I am backpack, I play engineer in NA.
Due to age limitations I cannot play with The Abjured or any other team aiming for WTS Boston. Therefore I am making a team to compete in ESL weeklies..
So far I have won Second (x3), first (x2), and 2nd in the November monthly.
I plan on being highly competitive. As a team we will practice a lot..
Requirements: age – idgaf
-Mechanical skill (ability to compete with top players)
-Basic game knowledge (know all classes and comps)
-Some knowledge of rotations (most players who have not played on a top team will not be quite up to speed; this is fine, I will help to teach players how to rotate quickly and efficiently
-Able to deal with my bullkitten, as well as take criticism
-Good communication
Currently I have a lot of comps I would like to try: I am looking for players with the following builds:
Celestial dd ele
Celestial rifle engi
Celestial shout warrior
Zerker sd thief
Zerker dp thief
Zerker shatter Mesmer
Condi necro
DPs guardian
Sorry no Rangers
If you are intested in trying out please contact me in game (mike.4830 “backpack God”)
Or find me in FC ts
If you have any questions you can ask here or in game.
How does one take a point from a turret engi? Not criticizing you, but if you know the weaknesses of your build, please share them so people like me who don’t know are better equipped to deal with it.
Turret engineers have specific weaknesses.
1.) Conditions. I only have two condition clears with the healing turret – and a chance at converting them into boons via a trait or sending them back to you, via a rune.
2.) Stuns. I have one stun break. Period. And absolutely zero if the thumper is deployed.
3.) Extreme range (aka ranger) – If I can’t get out of your LoS and draw you in closer, I can’t out DPS you.
That’s the same as normal engineers lol.. Except you can only focus on defense because AI does offense for you
I could care less if you play turret engi, but don’t act like it requires skill or brain activity
The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.
Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.
You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300
Of course you can mate.
Zzz
You clearly don’t understand the point I am making. God forum peeps are sooo bright.
And on the note of going 50-0, I probably could
Love backpack
The best competitive player in the game!
Ps: what is it like being a mascot for a subpar European team?
I get that, and I think it does currently reward “competent playing, lots of hours”.
It should be changed to rank “Average points Per Win”. That will cover the solo players as well as those with a team advantage over the soloers.
And I challenged you to try 50 games and earn 2 pts per win, as a solo player. So it measures your skill in randomly assigned teams.
The problem with that is it rewards solo q more than team q. In a combined system I think they need to be as close to equal.. Best solo and team players on top.. Ppw would work for solo q but not combined… Ppg does not work for either… Perhaps having ppw as a category and MMR (old system with reworked decay) as a category…
You could sort ppw for best solo players and MMR for best teams
Yes Aaron, announce you are going to do it,and then start queuing only SOLO.
Start from your current “pts per win” which is only about 1.00, correct?
See if you can make it 2 pts per every win for 50 games.
I’ll follow your progress.
…. You clearly don’t get my point. Forget who I am. Make it about the system. Right now you can get to the top by simply playing a kitten ton… Correct?
Leaderboarss should not be a grind. They should show the best players…
The way it works right now is 90% games played
The best players makes a team perform better than expected and score more points.
Worse players make a team tend to score fewer points. Regardless of twitch skill level or knowledge of their class.
You clearly don’t understand. I could solo q and go 50-0 (carry the duck out of my team) and still be lower than joe who is 300-300
lol, go do it. I’ll be surprise if you are that good.
Actually do it and show people you are that good.
No one solo q and get 50win no loss. Not to mention you’ll be purposely put in bad team and get handicape if you are higher ratting.
Those people at high ladder probably have many loss because they are always put in bad team as handicape.
You are not getting the point… The point is time played = high leaderboard rank……
a. These leaderboarss should be for teams not solo ( it’s rated team arena…)
B. It shouldn’t be time based (min 100 games, after that it should stop)
C.the last leaderboards did show the best players… Decay needed tweaking .. An overhaul was overkill
These leaderboards aren’t accurate.. I suggest we change them to just show hours played.. So Jane with 20k hours is on top and Louie with 1 min is on bottom . Ty
Do you really expect us to believe you don’t play this game enough to be #1 in these leaderboards right now lol?
You want to play a few games a week subbing for the abjured or whoever and be recognized as a “top player” for it. Try branching out and playing with some different people instead of sitting in ts waiting for people who can carry you to log in.
No good player likes the current leaderboard system, but if it puts a dent in Backpack’s sense of entitlement at least something good has come of it.
You clearly don’t understand… No one should need to be playing 20 games a day to show they are the best… And as you pointed out, no top player likes these leaderboards. And BTW I don’t get carried, sorry you are so salty … In fact a couple of those wins are vs the abjured
I honestly think the only thing holding mesmers back is thieves. I think thieves are aids for this game. If teams didn’t have thieves I think Mesmers would destroy cele comps. Most available boon combined with a lot of pressure and mobility. I used to main Mesmer and i played it recently in ranked team qs. We played a lot of celestial teams without thieves.. I was able to obliterate them… Especially teams like radioactive…. I don’t think cele is holding back Mesmer… I think it is only thief…
I am 52-0 (mike.4839) in rated team q — 51 points (dc once)
I am currently ranked 180th on the leaderboard.
You wanted this leaderboard to represent skill and effort. I have played 5 games a day and dominated every single one. Yet I am still behind people like Lexcicty who had 100+ points with about 120 wins and 160 loses…
At this point everyone is aware the leaderboards are basically time played. But why are people not being punished more for losing? You guys make it seem like effort is more important than results. Make losses automatic -1 for everyone for starters. And add MMR to the leaderboards. Currently you can win half your games in the lowest MMR bracket and still be rank one….
I don’t understand how these leaderboards represent anything other than who has absolutely nothing to do this winter break…
All you do is complain about the new leaderboards, even on topics not relevant to it.
Win loss ratio does not matter in the new system. It encourages people to play even when a loss is almost certain. I find them very sucessful, more so than the last leaderboards
Lol … Great teams will never be close to 50-50… It’s unrealistic… It’s like saying well I should win half my games vs an NFL team in football. No, I shouldnt… I should be playing with high school players. But should me vs HS players be on TV or in the newspaper? No, but this system doesn’t differentiate between low players and professionals since bobby can be 500-400 in the lowest MMR bracket and be higher than me 100-0 in the highest MMR bracket… That’s a problem
Wowzerz Backpack! That’s a lot of games! Even more impressive is how you managed to play them all with only the precious few hours that your parents let you on the computer each day!
Just to be fair, the original abjured comp utilized 2 celestial amulets. Rabid engi, d/p thief, carrion necro, celestal elex2. After 2 member couldn’t attend WTS, the abjured then replaced two players. After replacing 2 players the Abjured still beat every team in the world with substitutes. The roster was then changed following the WTS. Now, yes it had 3 celestial amulets. Did good fights dominate the NA scene before WTS? Yes. Before Celestial amulet was even introduced! The abjured comp is now 3/5 previous Good Fights. TBH as a berserker amulet i can 1v1 any “celestial amulet” player in this game and atleast go 50/50 win percentage. From a world champion I would advise you to rethink your team composition and tighten up on your rotations before blaming everything on a “amulet”. Also look at your individual player skill, and ask yourself do you honestly believe you can go toe to toe with players such as the Abjured and Absurd.
Now, do I believe celestial could have a few percentages shaved off the total stats? Yes. Does it need to be totally deleted? No. I believe hybrid builds should exist, although they shouldn’t be the most powerful in any stat. They should utilize defensive and offensive tactics in order to be successful. Which I believe they do well now, but could use just a little toning down(not much since I can beat them as a zerker amulet.)
~Magic Toker
also to be fair, when GF dominated there was no competition whatsoever
Well there still isn’t any competition, your point? Sorry big boy, keep streaming your 400 pound dps guard play that no one watches.
well when theres 4 classes that are much better than all the others and you stack top 2 or so players for them onto one team yeah I wonder what will happen.
sorry if youre upset that Im trying to make somethign thats not viable work because I like to play it. But s/d thief is hard right I mean it took me like 2 hours to start owning people with my dodge spams
I’ve won more tourneys on d/p than I’ve won on s/d. Whatever floats your boat though.
oh yes so you played a meta build when it was meta and now you play another meta build when its meta. ok.
LOL, whats wrong with playing a meta spec? If anything it just shows your intelligent enough to not play some kitten build.. and seriously?? complaining about D/P
Chaith, I have no problem with any team’s rotation tactics. I understand the strategy right now, it’s nearly aligned with out-cheesing your opponent.
I’ve read through this entire thread, and there have been points that you’ve specifically stated you need 2-3 celestials to be successful at a “top” level. Essentially, you need the sustain across the board to compete at this level, otherwise you’re going to be annoyed to death by one of the Cele users.
Question, Chaith. Why is it you’re defending this meta so heavily? Is it influenced by your earnings at WTS? It’s impossible for me to ask you to look at this from an objective standpoint, seeing as you earned however many dollars utilizing the cheese. I don’t blame you for using it, you got the W. Play to win. But, for you to run across this thread with the underlying arrogant and belittling attitude you have towards other people that don’t agree with you, is completely laughable.
If you haven’t figured it out, it looks like you’re defending what made you money. I think at this point, your voice isn’t being heard. So, unless you want to be looked at with a critical eye, I would suggest a different approach or to remain silent.
Every meta in this game has been coined “cheese”, I don’t think ANet will be able to balance it to where everything is that close to equal
Celetsial Meta- Skill-less Cheese
Bunker Meta- Skill-less cheese
Condi Meta-Skill-less cheese
I will admit i was not around for much of the power meta, that being said I have heard the myths and legends so i will assume..
Power Meta (HB warriors and insta kills)-Skill-less cheese
As far as calling this strategy cheese? The current 5v5 requires better rotations than any meta before… the old fashioned 1-4 was easy kitten compared to this meta.
Backpack, be real, cele ele/warrior doesn’t have a high skill cap. The closest to a high skill cap of the three classes utilizing celestial amulet is engineer (and even that’s debatable). Warriors and ele’s are used to sit on point in team fights, and push 1v1s. A high skill cap does not equate to full resets while face tanking any, and all damage.
I will agree, the cele warrior build doesnt have a very high skill cap. However celestial ele and engi have extremely high skill caps compared to other builds in the game.
Skill caps- Nothing to do with your opponent etc…
Skillcaps mean you are able to do the most things when played flawlessly. IE Elementalists like Phantaram are able to 1v1 literally everyone when you are perfect at 1v1ing, Elementalists like Wakkey are able to peel for their teamates to the upmost degree- Protection, updraft, earthquake, water, earth 2 absorb, etc… The list goes on, my point being, Elementalists and engineers are able to do so much when played flawlessly… yes this does make them more powerful than other characters, but my point was they dont become overpowered until played borderline flawlessly (top tier only, their skill floor is low IE bad players can abuse bad players). Eles have 30 skills to utilize, engi has 25 skills to utilize… This is way more than any other class, allowing them to do way more than any other class when optimized IE HIGH SKILLCAP
I’m not sure how long you’ve been in the scene, but what you just described is what elementalists were supposed to while NOT running celestial amulet. You described the role of D/D. Peeling, healing, locking down ,engaging in 1v1s, popping portal, forcing rotations, bruising, etc were all the norm for D/D LONG before celestial came along. So you know, I accomplished all of this with valks ammy and running double arcane with elemental surge. I played what the team needed. Skill cap is what you do to, with, and for other players using your build and weapon set. Just because ele’s and engis have more skills available, doesn’t mean they have a higher skill cap. Tbh, that’s the kindergarden way of thinking about this game when it comes to competitive play.
Okay, so in your opinion, what has a higher skill cap?
Backpack, be real, cele ele/warrior doesn’t have a high skill cap. The closest to a high skill cap of the three classes utilizing celestial amulet is engineer (and even that’s debatable). Warriors and ele’s are used to sit on point in team fights, and push 1v1s. A high skill cap does not equate to full resets while face tanking any, and all damage.
I will agree, the cele warrior build doesnt have a very high skill cap. However celestial ele and engi have extremely high skill caps compared to other builds in the game.
Skill caps- Nothing to do with your opponent etc…
Skillcaps mean you are able to do the most things when played flawlessly. IE Elementalists like Phantaram are able to 1v1 literally everyone when you are perfect at 1v1ing, Elementalists like Wakkey are able to peel for their teamates to the upmost degree- Protection, updraft, earthquake, water, earth 2 absorb, etc… The list goes on, my point being, Elementalists and engineers are able to do so much when played flawlessly… yes this does make them more powerful than other characters, but my point was they dont become overpowered until played borderline flawlessly (top tier only, their skill floor is low IE bad players can abuse bad players). Eles have 30 skills to utilize, engi has 25 skills to utilize… This is way more than any other class, allowing them to do way more than any other class when optimized IE HIGH SKILLCAP
