You do not double attribute behavior.
A coins chance is 50/50 no matter how many coins you flip. Double attribution specifically ruins outcomes by adding unnecessary data.
I might simply be misunderstanding what you mean by “double attribute”, don’t hesitate to clarify 
To me, it was the fact he added the probability of having the proc on only grenade 1, 2 and 3 to get the probability of getting only one proc on a given throw. Which is the right way to do it, it just is a matter of case enumeration. You want cumulative probability, not single grenade probability. By the way, “cumulative” doesn’t mean “dependent”.
My point, Ging result concerning odds of proc is correct.
It’s as simple as asking “what are the odds of getting heads on a fair coin if I flip it 900 times on any given throw?”
A: 50/50
This is NOT “what are the odds of getting at least one heads if I flip 900 fair coins?”
A: (.5^900)-1= A very, very small number.
Well, the odd of a given throw is not contested here. I don’t see what you want to say :/
And I have to note that the odds of getting at least one head in 900 throw are anything but a very small number. In fact, it is almost 100% (the correct equation being: 1 – (0.5^900)).
Now, you might feel old, but I think you might also be very tired, when saying:
It should be just 45% since they are independent events for “at least one”.
Basically it runs like any other form of basic dice game; if you have two twenty sided dice the odds are additive for rolling a twenty on either and multiplicative for rolling a twenty on both, I.E.
5% + 5% = 10%
Which is, let say, slightly less than accurate ^^‘. You get 9.5%.
Replace your 20-sided dice with coins. You obvioulsy won’t have 100% chance of getting head when throwing both. Nor 100/200 (going from another of your answers). The odds for the coin are 75%.
The event “getting at least a 20 on two independent throws of a dice” is an event distinct from “getting a 20 on a unique die throw”, and have different odds. The fact that the two throws are independant doesn’t change that.
Now, I’m not sure you still have in mind what Ging (and I) was answering to. In your own words, that are the very subject of our answers:
For instance, Shrapnel, if you throw one volley of grenades what is the probably that two of those grenades will proc Shrapnel?
This probability is 5.71% for strictly 2 proc, and 6.08% to get at least 2. Independent verification, with a very simple function. Nothing “overly complicated”.
At this point I wonder if, instead of math, it is another point you made you are trying to prove:
E_But_ what makes this possible is simply reputation. We will believe anyone not based on the merit of their claim but based on the warmth of their ideas. An easy to read spreadsheet, even if wrong, is the best way to win fans. Show a video of you doing something people consider difficult or some crazy large numbers and you’ve got people hooked. After that you can go the way of L. Pauling (the source Vitamin C myth) and just say whatever the heck you want and people will hang on your every word.
You should be happy people aren’t falling for a nice equation and are actually doing independant verification to make their own opinion :P
By the way, I share the feeling. Just not the math.
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As far as male armor go, you do have some decent, robeless options.
If you have GW1 and EotN, the legacy armor is very good for a noble look, as long as you leave the headpiece off. I personnaly go with a monocle with that, but it doesn’t come cheap.
You can also get a nice dueling vibe for a moderate price with the following:
- human t1 (“researcher”) shoulder armor;
- ascalonian catacombs chestpiece;
- human t2 (“aristocrat”) pants;
- vigil boots;
Glove and headpiece as you see fit
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Example:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Well_of_RecallIf I understand it correctly, 66% faster recharge means for every 1 sec of alacrity, 3 seconds of recharge pass. Well of Recall applies 3 seconds of Alacrity, which means once those 3 seconds pass, 9 seconds of recharge will be removed, so a net benefit 6 seconds of recharge per skill.
However Alacrity applies to all your skills, so if all your weapon, heal, utility and elite skills are on cd, you will get a massive 6*9=45 second cd reduction, multiply by the amount of players affected (5), and you get 225s cd reduction total. Of course there are also other things affected by Alacrity, second weapon set, profession mechanic recharge, kit, conjure etc recharge, so the benefits of Alacrity will go way up.
Well of Recall also does damage, applies chill on foes and has a 45 sec CD (39s overall if you count the 3s of Alacrity)
If the Elementalist elite has about 20s recharge (or less) it might be worth it otherwise it won’t even be worth the elite slot
… and all the math teacher over the world facepalmed in sync :p
66% recharge means x1.66 (well, more exactly x5/3) on recharge speed, not x3. Meaning 3s of alacrity gives you 5s of recharge, not 9. Not bad, but net benefit is 2s, only 1/3 of what you thought. With all your skills on CD, it makes for a total reduction of 18s instead of 54s (because 6×9 makes 54, not 45 
). For 5 players, 90s. Far from the 270s you should have computed, and still far from the 225s you got. And if you take weapon swap, profession mechanics and co. into account, you also have to realize that not every skill will be on CD for 5 players during a 3s window in a definite space on the field, so the real benefit is way less.
Not to say Rebound is better (I do think alacrity wins), but you have to keep things in perspective.
Rebound gives a better reduction on all skills that have 10s or more of CD. Not to forget that this reduction is instant, not spread on multiple seconds, standing in place (which suck), and wouldn’t be strippable/corruptable/stealable.
On Time Warp (highest skill CD in the game iirc), it gives a whopping 45 second of reduction. You need almost 70s of continuous alacrity to go even. Ideal case for rebound would be 4 mesmers, plus an untraited glyph of renewal: it gives a total 221.25s of CD. Way better than the punny 90s of alacrity!
Such a case would obviously never happen, but it shows how much the math don’t lead us anywhere without more info. Rebound has potential, numerically . What will make or sink it will be things like CD (on a 20s CD it would be OP as all hells for example), duration of the effect (next attack in what window? 2s? 10s ?), if it affects autoattack or not (probably not, but who knows?)…
In short, it might be bad, it might be good, we need more info
Reaper in French is moissonneuse..
Its a Farming Machine..
I am a Farming Machine!!.. I dont see what the problem is.
I think its a compliment!
Reaper in french is “faucheur”. It means exactly the same, has exactly the same connotation toward death (the Grim Reaper is “La Faucheuse”, ie a female reaper (1)), and is what they’ll use if M. Lo Presti is to be believed (and I see no reason not to).
“Moissonneuse” would translate as “harvester”. Which still makes some sense, both in french and english, in the context of soul harvest (“moisson des âmes”, again a 1:1 traduction for both litteral and conceptual meaning).
Sooo, basically, nothing to see here, everything is fine for the frog eaters
After reading through the thread multiple times, I realized that it is about: there is no word for reaper in french or spanish. That’s … interesting.
As stated above, there is a word for it in french. It is a nonexistent problem we’re discussing.
Except for the whole spanish hair dryer thing, that is 
(1) yes, Death is female in french. It makes the reminders in Discworld all the more necessary :p
Definitely a ranged AoE. With butterflies
the boss tends to pull me back into the aoe after I just get outside the aoe when my shield goes down, both pulling me in knocking me down as well and killing me and resetting his health by the time I get back to him.
Some claim the boss doesn’t have his ability but I know for a fact that all of have the the ability to pull you to them, I think it has a limited range seem the edge of the aoe is still within its range to pull you back in.
He indeed doesn’t have this ability. Two things can make it looks like he does, though.
1) your shield run out before you get out of the AoE. Its borders are akin to Ring of Warding, and will push you back (toward the boss).
2) you get near a color area while getting out of the AoE. Those push you back if you don’t have the color buff (which you probably won’t have anymore by the time your shield is running out) and have a deceptively large (and invisible) area of effect.
Ideally, get out of the AoE as soon as your shield buff icon start blinking, and pass midway between two colored areas, never getting close to any. It should ensure a safe extraction.
Good luck
Healing Surge at maximum efficiency heals for about 316 HPS, then 263, 210 and 189. All of these values are significantly lower than Healing Signet. Healing Signet heals for 362.
Significantly lower, yes, like most heals in the game. No particular problem here, since HS has no side effect unlike the two other. But like you say, it is only a part of the equation.
On Healing Surge: the worst problems of this heal are the over reliance on Cleansing Ire, and the recent change on adrenaline. This heal makes total sense for the warrior, when CI sin’t in the equation: as you said, a big portion of adrenaline come from getting hit. So chances are, when you need to heal, you’ll have full adre, and there Surge is a beast. And if you don’t need to heal, Surge can provide some adre for a burst and push the advantage. On the other hand, why does the warrior have to expand his (offensive) class mechanic to obtain a basic defensive function (cleasing, via CI)? That makes no sense to me, not Healing Surge.
On Mending: why not use CI + HS instead? Well, for starter, that makes you less reliant on CI. You can cleanse without risk of a simple dodge wasting it and all of you adre at the same time, or having to switch to longbow. Yes, it underperform compared to HS + CI, but considering howstrong those two are, it doesn’t tell much.
Technically any heal isn’t “unusable” if we want to go there. Hell I’ve used the healing venom in tPvP once. But when a “balanced” healing skill is what is keeping us in the tPvP scene, that is a hint that the other heals need to be buffed.
The main problem of balance between heal, for me, doesn’t come from individual heals themselves. Context, has you said
Healing Surge, more than a tweak, would really help a change on the adrenaline decay position. Less decay, more grace period out of combat, would go a long way.
Mending could be boosted as for heal/s, but more than anything, a rethink of Warrior condi cleanse would be needed. Conditions are supposed to be a class weakness, but as of now cleanses are either too weak or too strong. So it gives the idea that either you don’t take CI and get wrecked, or you take it and make Mending redundant and Healing Surge useless.
Again, I’m not saying those heals are perfect and shouldn’t be buffed. But saying they are complete unusable trash is sadly something a lot of people repeat without asking themselves how and why. Obviously you thought about the question, and even if I don’t totally agree with your conclusions, well, ok, that’s fine.
That pretty much means “not a viable option for competitive play”. If HS is so much better and the sustain from HS is considered to be balanced, how can the other 2 be considered viable options? You are in an environment where the goal is to be the best, how is that possible with options that offer so much less?
The skills still work, they aren’t bugged, you can still use them but you are gimping yourself and your team if you choose to use them.
The thing is, gimping yourself and your team doesn’t equal “being not viable”.
Like in a fighting game, you can play a top tier character and win easily, or pick a weaker character and have an harder time. Middle tier characters are viable, and win competitions too. But if you play only to win, you won’t have a reason to pick them.
What I think, is that HS is powerful enough to make it suboptimal not to pick it when you aim for the top. But the other heals are not bad enough to make you lose automatically when you pick them.
Basically, the difference between “notably less powerful than option B” and “utterly broken in all shape and form”.
It really is the only viable heal that the Warrior has. If you compare it to many of the top heals in the game (Consume Conditions, Healing Turret, Ether Feast, Troll Unguent, etc) they have comparable HPS. And if they don’t they have extra effects to make up for that.
Huh, well… I did just that: just a few post before, you can see said comparison. And the only heals that get close to HS in a believable situation are Troll Unguent (same as HS, but worse since interruptable), Mantra of Recovery and Med Kit (if you want to spend 100% of your time healing), Signet of the Ether (with the condition of 3 illusion up, good luck) and Healing Surge, stage 3. The other have 100 HP/s less or worse.
As for the rest of your post, while interesting, it either agree whith what I already said (importance of context, not OPness of HS…) in a more developped way ; or state opinion as fact (“the other heal are bad” without any metric). You might very well be right, but you don’t bring anything that prove your point 
Roll a warrior and tPvP with it over the next month using only mending and healing surge and then come back and tells us those aren’t weak. They can’t provide the level of sustain needed. I would love to get rid of the stupid signet and have a more active heal but the other options just don’t make the grade.
You assume two things :
- that I didn’t already do that ;
- that because you can’t do something, nobody else can ;
My opinion still is that while weaker than HS and not terribly good, they aren’t totally unusable either. They just isn’t a single reason to pick them in a competitive environment since HS is so much better.
I guess we have a different opinion of what acceptably well is. The way I see is is that the sustain from HS is just right. If every other heal is inferior to it that they are weak and unacceptable (Except zerging with defiant stance, that’s just OP). I am also speaking of PvP/WvW. PvE is a completely different requirement where other heals could be considered acceptable.
If the heal from mending were increased by 15% it would probably be a viable option and I would probably use it. Healing Surge as stated is just counter intuitive to our class mechanic and only works well in PvE where you sit on your adrenaline throughout the entire fight.
Well, since most class can make do with heals inferior (and by a lot for some classes) to Healing Signet, I am inclined to say that yes, our opinion on what is “acceptable” differ (and be it known that I don’t mean it in a demeaning or offensive way, I don’t consider “not agreeing with me” as a problem in any way ^^)
Btw, I am speaking about s/tPvP. PvE doesn’t require much in the way of healing anyway, and WvW is an entirely different beast due to its scale.
The thing with healing surge and mending, is that they force you to do what HS explicitely allow you not to do. That is, to make a choice. Indeed, they aren’t exactly powerful, but not extremely weak either. And in any case, they make (for me at least) for a more interesting gameplay than a slot-and-forget signet. I think they could get a buff without getting OP, but I don’t think they need it. Same that I think HS could take a nerf without getting UP, but don’t need it either.
Best thing HS could get imo is an actually usefull active., forcing you to let go of his powerful healing to get some other, equally needed effect.
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Even Shelter can be interrupted, though it is much harder than most. Necro warhorn daze does it, as does traited Reaper’s Mark
You are right, I fogot there are some unblockable cc than can interrupt shelter: Magnet, Earth Shield’s Magnetic Shield, “Fear Me!”, Static Shield, Static Aura, Static Field, Line of Warding, Ring of Warding, Unsteady Ground, Sanctuary, Pull (Binding Blade follow up), Throw Mine, Slick Shoes, Tripwire, Corrupt Boon. I think we got them all here.
Notably, those either are niche (who uses Slick Shoes or Magnetic Shield in sPvP? :P ), or require something specific to happen to interrupt. The static aura/shield need a dot of some form to be applied on the ennemy/on the ground beforehand ; the KB lines (warding, sanctuary, etc) are nullified by basic situation awareness ; Corrupt Boon require stability to be corrupted ; Magnet’s cast time makes it unpractical. In those, Throw Mines, Binding Blades and traited Reaper Mark seems the most usable.
Enough for Shelter to be considered “uninterruptable, with exceptions” more than “interruptable”, like you said
I think Mesmer has some unblockable dazes as well.
Not that I know of.
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I think I see your problem here
That, plus even “just 3 or 4 hours” are a lot in a dev day, even more when people keep asking “fix that NAO”, “do you even play the game” and “why don’t you read/answer the forums??!!1”. Devs are humans, and days have a limited number of hours.
In fact, if my boss told me “do 4 more hours of work today because a client doesn’t like the schedule we announced weeks ago”, I would feel rightfully kittened.
That aside, and not targeted to someone in particular: the schedule isn’t new, why complaining know that the news is the final order of classes? Any classes beeing last would have posed the same problem of short feedback time, wouldn’kitten
See, this is the thing, i was fighting outnumbered (although not at first), but i was actually winning that fight, until i got morphed, which completely turned everything around. Had i not gotten moa’d, i would have killed the elementalist that i was initially doing 1v1 against, and then either ran away from the mesmer, or killed him too if he was a baddie. So you have to understand that in the situation that i was in, it really felt to me like an i-win button.
Turns out he wasn’t that bad if he successfully killed you after a moa. Try it, it really is hard to pull of against someone semi-decent.
Losing a 1vs2 shouldn’t warrant any balance change ever.
Yeah if only Mesmers could root/cripple from range and teleport…
The “flee” skill evade attacks, and you can dodge in moa form. If you get cripple/rooted (and the “root” is so unreliable it might as well not exist) after getting moa’d, it is because you didn’t use flee. Your fault.
If you where crippled/rooted before… those last 2s in best case scenario. Moa takes 1s to cast, and has aftercast. So the mesmer has about half a second to kill you. Hence, you were already losing if you die then.
He doesn’t have too. Shatters/phantasms can do that for him. Not to mention increased GS damage with range.
Neither clones nor phantasms are quicker than the mesmer itself. A moa should leave them in the dust without breaking a sweat, as it does with the mesmer.
Damage from GS is quite pitiful, if you get killed by it before getting either out of range, out of sight, or out of moa… you had no health to begin with. You died as you should, moa nonwithstanding.
Outnumbered 2v1 does not mean you lose. I can fight 2v1 and win actually. And when I run bunker, I can certainly hold out until the team arrives.
This skills messes that up, suddenly I have no more heals, no more support, knockback anything. I never die in moa but that’s only because I run away from the fight. And as a bunker, losing your point because an elite completely ruined your gameplay is really garbage
If you can win against 2 opponents of the same skill level, it is your spec that is op, not moa. If the opponents aren’t at your level, does moa really makes them win automatically? With all its flaws, you really should fare better.
And even then, moa is bad because it counters bunkers? For 10s each 180s? It isn’t the definition of OP, it is the definition of counterplay. And the counterplay to moa for bunkers are obvious: block, blind, LoS, invulnerability. The kind of things a bunker should be able to do.
There are problems with moa (in my eyes at least): ending other transforms, killing all necro minions, and the inconsistency between stability and blind (one prevent moa, not the other, should be none or both), being unfun (you flee it for 10s, yay for gameplay). But being generaly OP isn’t in the list.
everyone almost knows that mesmers are overpowered except mesmers that think they need buffs
When no high level team picks a class, it is rarely a sign of this class being OP. I know mesmers can be a pain to fight (PU should really die a horrible death), but “being a pain” isn’t equal to “being OP”.