Guild Wars 2

Yeah, in fast groups, the first boss dies before the add even gets a chance to attack. If this isn’t the case, I’m guessing your party is lacking Time Warp (or just lacking dps in general)? If so, Frenzy might still be the better choice, but that’s up to you. As for the last boss, it’s a case of needing to learn his tells. When he drops on all fours, you need to start watching out for crystals falling from the ceiling. When he arcs his back it’s about time to dodge the big fire aoe (especially important, as he does double damage to burning targets). When he throws a hand up, then drops to all fours, that’s his knockdown, which is reflectable. These are the big attacks that you need to dodge (assuming your party doesn’t reflect the knockdown).

spoj.9672:

Yeah thats what i do now. I save my null field to use inside timewarp. But feedback doesnt work btw. See so many mesmers take feedback instead of null field for the fight and it has no effect.

Yeah, I used to try feedback until I kept seeing that it did nothing. Inspired me to finally bring disenchanter, though. . .

spoj.9672:

Iures.2894:

spoj.9672:

Iures.2894:

spoj.9672:

Broadicea.8294:

Bread.7516:

3 war 1 guard 1 mes. p3 destroyer dies even before shield flickers

Do you even need the guardian for CoE? I feel like that could be speedrun just like CoF with 4W/1M..

It can be done, but the golem gets quite high protection uptime on that setup. Which slows it down a bit. Which is why my group still takes a guardian or we take a necro to compliment the mesmer boon stripping.

Have your mesmer run sword main hand. Two or three clones and maybe a phantasmal disenchanter, staggered to have different boon strip times, is plenty to keep the golem’s buffs off.

Yeah i have and its never full boon down time. The sword auto attack is unreliable, null field and phantasmal disenchanter work really well but they dont provide perma boon stripping due to cooldowns. But then i never changed my trait in domination to remove boons on shatter. So Im probably wrong, only thought about that trait recently when i was looking at a pvp shatter build.

Hmm. . . when I fight him his boons usually stay up a split second at most, except when illusions start dying. Not sure what we’re doing differently. . .

I always have a problem of illusions dieing so i tend to shatter quite regularly. When i try and use sword to remove boons it ends up removing the regen then the retal then the protection. Means i have to get through 3 auto attack chains unless i have a null field or disenchanter. But after reading what someone said about leaving disenchanters up, that might be my problem. I had no idea they keep removing boons because after they first do it the boons come back and it takes an age for them to do it again, so ive just been shattering. Ah well you learn something new everyday.

Yeah, shattering would be the cause of the difference. Pull up a disenchanter, a couple of sword clones, and auto attack your way to victory, replacing anything that dies. As long as your illusions stay behind the boss, they should almost never get hit. Even without null field, buffs on the boss tend to stay up split-seconds at a time.

spoj.9672:

Iures.2894:

spoj.9672:

Broadicea.8294:

Bread.7516:

3 war 1 guard 1 mes. p3 destroyer dies even before shield flickers

Do you even need the guardian for CoE? I feel like that could be speedrun just like CoF with 4W/1M..

It can be done, but the golem gets quite high protection uptime on that setup. Which slows it down a bit. Which is why my group still takes a guardian or we take a necro to compliment the mesmer boon stripping.

Have your mesmer run sword main hand. Two or three clones and maybe a phantasmal disenchanter, staggered to have different boon strip times, is plenty to keep the golem’s buffs off.

Yeah i have and its never full boon down time. The sword auto attack is unreliable, null field and phantasmal disenchanter work really well but they dont provide perma boon stripping due to cooldowns. But then i never changed my trait in domination to remove boons on shatter. So Im probably wrong, only thought about that trait recently when i was looking at a pvp shatter build.

Hmm. . . when I fight him his boons usually stay up a split second at most, except when illusions start dying. Not sure what we’re doing differently. . .

spoj.9672:

Broadicea.8294:

Bread.7516:

3 war 1 guard 1 mes. p3 destroyer dies even before shield flickers

Do you even need the guardian for CoE? I feel like that could be speedrun just like CoF with 4W/1M..

It can be done, but the golem gets quite high protection uptime on that setup. Which slows it down a bit. Which is why my group still takes a guardian or we take a necro to compliment the mesmer boon stripping.

Have your mesmer run sword main hand. Two or three clones and maybe a phantasmal disenchanter, staggered to have different boon strip times, is plenty to keep the golem’s buffs off.

Bright, the OP does actually ask about the cage room, as well. Not that that makes any of the rest of your points less valid.

haviz.1340:

Rising Dusk.2408:

I’m surprised they don’t just make his projectiles unblockable like trebuchets and so forth. His fight would be so much more fun if you couldn’t completely mitigate his biggest attacks.

Better unreflectable. Unblockable attack on that scale wouldn’t be great idea, especially with current inability to draw every circle.

And because I’m already annoyed with how many projectiles there are that my anti-projectile utilities do nothing against. . .

Still don’t understand why they would promise us an infinite dungeon, then cap it at 80, then freak out when people actually hit the end, then further cap it at 50.

Anet logic: 50=infinite.

laharl.8435:

I run new people through Arah p3 3-4 times per week, sometimes more. Even with new people we aggro maybe 1 out 4 runs. Usually I just target him, pull him in and kill him without aggroing more. Even if we die, which is rare, we always make it through on the second run. There is no way of takes 3 minutes to kill every mob in that room. They’re all silver (which are relatively tough in Arah exp) that I know of, plus a champ.

I often do that run in less than 30 minutes, that would definitely not be possible with killing everything, or just everything in that room.

Pretty much this. Even the time my group managed to aggro an extra mob while someone was pulling the abominations, we still killed the group with no issue. As far as the other issue raised, that of using terrain exploits to akitten-kill a boss, I couldn’t agree more. It really is sad when a fight that’s not a real threat to start with gets cheapened even further because people want to akitten-range it.

Skipping, though, is not an exploit.

Cymric.7368:

I myself is running a shatter build with greatsword, sword/focus while atleast 1 other another mesmer is using staff. I will admit that with 3 mesmers we could have coordinate instead of saving time warp til the last 90%. However, I don’t see any of the mobs using conditions so null field should be useless. I normally slot feedback, but for this fight, since that everyone is on the move constantly, and with the amount of knock downs, I slot mirror image instead. The other 2 slots are decoy and blink, my staple for dungeons.

Feedback can actually be useful in this encounter, since the ranged mobs don’t really move. You plunk a feedback on top of them and they just fire into it. And having 3 stun breaks equipped seems like overkill. . .

That said, if I know I’m doing P2, I usually bring my thief, not my mesmer, so I can’t give too much advice here. . .

Khandarus.2738:

Threads like this are the reason I am going to laugh when CoF gets a work over like Ac.

The thief is not a bad class, its just unforgiving and well I wouldn’t be using those skills, I’d drop it to either Signet of Agility or Signet of Malice, and bring Shadowstep, I also kinda stopped using Shadow Refuge for Roll for Initiative.

A CoF rework is just gonna result in everyone moving to SE. >_>

Mystic.5934:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Geotherma.2395:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silk_Scrap
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Thick_Leather_Section

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Junk

It appears my winged wit hath overflown thy head.

lol. I’d like to be able to right-click something, and have an option “add to list of junk items”. I’d like to add all blue and green items, plus tonics and minor runes/sigils, to this list as well.

Oh god, that would be so nice. . .

hammer.9721:

Iures.2894:

hammer.9721:

Ioflux.4369:

Talking about dying to a P/D thief in a PvE forum discussion. The best….

Another person that cant read.Your buddy said i made him because i cant melee.So i said the reason why i made him p/d.It must really bother some people knowing that all classes can actually farm cof.Now noticed i said farm nowhere in any of my posts did i say i do speed runs.i couldnt care less if a run takes me a minute longer.

In calling out someone else for not being able to read, you’ve sadly shown that you can’t even keep your sources straight. Nikaido hasn’t said anything (yet) about your not being able to melee, just that you chose an absolute garbage weapon set. He at no point speculated as to why you would choose to do this. Regardless, your crap damage setup seems to be actively killing your team mates. Congratulations?

lol You kinda look stupid right now dont you
You’re choosing the easy way out because you’re probably incapable of entering melee range.Wonder who said that

Last post them im done with you idiots.It is up to my team mates to decide If im pulling my weight or not in my groups not some elites on a message board that cant even read what the topic is about.

Meh, I missed a sentence. Happens.

hammer.9721:

Ioflux.4369:

Talking about dying to a P/D thief in a PvE forum discussion. The best….

Another person that cant read.Your buddy said i made him because i cant melee.So i said the reason why i made him p/d.It must really bother some people knowing that all classes can actually farm cof.Now noticed i said farm nowhere in any of my posts did i say i do speed runs.i couldnt care less if a run takes me a minute longer.

In calling out someone else for not being able to read, you’ve sadly shown that you can’t even keep your sources straight. Nikaido hasn’t said anything (yet) about your not being able to melee, just that you chose an absolute garbage weapon set. He at no point speculated as to why you would choose to do this. Regardless, your crap damage setup seems to be actively killing your team mates. Congratulations?

Ioflux.4369:

Talking about dying to a P/D thief in a PvE forum discussion. The best….

Sadly, it seems to be accurate. His team mates shouldn’t be dying, even if he weren’t there. Since they’re dying with him there, clearly they’re dying to his P/D thief. . .

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim not on the skeptic.

Don’t bother. They’ve yet to back up any of their claims with actual evidence, even when pressed for it.

haviz.1340:

I’m not the part of DS, only reason I know Dub is because we are in other guild (which Strife actualy was a member of)

Fine, the reason I’ll respect DnT more than your group. >_>

haviz.1340:

I have, but it’s private. Send me PM with your youtube account name and I’ll share it, though it’s distorted so you won’t know how exactly it was done.

And this is why I take DnT so much more seriously than I will ever take DS’s claims. . .

Merlot.8567:

sapientCrow.8796:

Spending a massive amount of time trying to get to the top of the platforms when there is no real surefire strategy to accomplish the task is just fail and disrespectful to us players.

This has to be a joke.

You’re doing fotm, so you will likely have a guardian in your group – problem solved right there. Do it one by one – you can range them through the platforms at the start location as well – use ground based AOE attacks.
Reflection skills and stability, along with a group that has an iota of patience makes it more trivial than it already is. It’s seriously not hard, ever.

Ugh. . .I hate when people do that. In my experience that’s more likely to make them go invulnerable. That being said, reflection and stability really are king in this dungeon by a long shot.

Air.3154:

Broadicea.8294:

SET.3275:

Omnomberry bar = +40% gold
gold infusion on ascended amulet = +20% gold
6 runes of scavenging = +15% gold (does the 4 war, 1 mes elitists allows this runes?)
banner (if someone have) = +5% gold
Flat gold:
1st boss drop 10s, 18s with all the boosts
last boss drop 16s, 28.8 with all the boosts
the chest before the flame balls drop 10s
Thats ~0.57 flat gold just from drop. No DR applies to it.

Most speedfarm groups would probably kick someone for wearing runes of scavenging. I would.

You can run cof p1 in an average of 8 minutes with a totally bs party.
You can run cof p1 in an average of 6 minutes with a totally tryhard party.

Find the difference.

So, over the course of one hour, they would earn the following (all numbers assume 60% gf buff and 2s60c end rewards):

8 min party:
First Boss x7 = 16s x 7 = 1g12s
Acolyte chest x7 = 10s x 7 = 70s
Final Boss x7 = 24s x 7 = 1g88s
Completion x 7 = 2s60c x 7 = 18s20c
Total = 3g88s20c, plus drops from 14 chests and up to 21 Wondrous Bags

6 min party:
First Boss x 9 = 16s x 9 = 1g44s
Acolyte Chest x 9 = 10s x 9 = 90s
Final Boss x 9 = 24s x 9 = 2g12s
Completion x 9 = 2s60c x 9 = 23s40c
Total = 4g69s40c, plus drops from 18 chests and up to 27 Wondrous Bags.

If the 6 min party is actually getting in 10 runs an hour (very much doable), the numbers are instead 1g60s+1g+2g40s+26s=5g26s, 20 chests, 30 Wondrous Bags.

So, do I want <4g, or >5g? Do I want to end my two hours of farming with 8g, or 11g? Such a difficult choice. . .

Lord Vem.8649:

I like everything about this game except personal story. Absolute rubbish. TERRIBLE writing, bland voice acting and bad story line overall. A couple leaps of logic or believability in there too. Writers should all go play Baldur’s Gate (a bit old I know) to see how’s it done.

To clarify: Baldur’s Gate, or Baldur’s Gate II? >_>

I’m also assuming you mean the computer games, and not the PS2 rendition. :p

Yeah, pretty much the only thing that puts it above, say, SE P1 is that the tokens can be exchanged for rares for ectos. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think equal teams (to include experience on the paths) going at SE P1 and COF P1 would make equal gold/hour if you discount the token exchange.

randomfightfan.4091:

On fractal levels 50+

Robert Hrouda.1327:

It was never intended that you could get higher without further AR gear that has not yet been released. There was an exploit in the system we were not able to close up until this last patch.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

Each new piece of AR gear is meant to allow you to progress to further fractal levels, which have increasingly better rewards compounding with higher scaling difficulty.

This was 3 months ago, since then we have gotten 3 new infusion pieces.

Well, that’s just bullcrap. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the change to rez-tactics for FotM 50+ was made in January at the latest. Since then, we’ve gotten 2 or 3 new pieces of AR gear, with no changes to how far we can progress. At this point, we can’t progress past lvl 50 (completing Maw, I mean) until they un-nerf it, regardless of how much AR they throw at us. . .

And that’s not even touching on the fact that FotM was originally billed as having infinite levels. . .

ColinJohanson.2394:
No changes were made to loot in fractals what so ever, they will be covered in release notes if changes of that nature are made.

Right, and that’s why I still get two rare Tridents after every Underwater Fractal. Oh, wait. . .

Hurrakan.4259:

You can get a good idea by looking at gw2spidy and setting the zoom option to “all”

Seems prices peaked in April and started to drop again.

Dawn: http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/29169
Dusk: http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/29185
Colossus: http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/29170

Pretty much this. Saying that prices were 750 a month ago is a bit misleading. If you actually look at the chart, the spikes where the price crosses over 700g are always short-lived.

Dub.1273:

AC didn’t get “nerfed”. Also we are not willing to share tactics, not exploits. Probably you will consider the use of terrain to do more damage (fiery gs, everyone uses it) as exploit, i don’t. If you call me exploiting the burden of proving that is yours. The burrow part is now easier because scavengers no longer exist. And it took that long because i didn’t knew that fiery gs #4 can kill a burrow that time.

Funny how for you, the burden of proof is always on someone else. Even when you’re the one making the claim. . .

Titan.3472:

Iures.2894:

Wait, you’re arguing that you can’t transmute up a tier? Pretty sure rares and exotics can be transmuted, and same with exotic to eventual Ascended. . .

Well if you own transmuted legendary it means that it wont upgrade in stats but if you grind for the same type of weapon ascended stats to use its coding to add to legendary skin with a transmutation crystal I believe it should work if Anet is not forgetting to manage this feature.

So, since you’re already going to have to grind for an ascended weapon with non-PVT stats anyway, there’s no reason not to transmute now. . .

Dub.1273:

gwscr.com accepts screenshots as proof. Noone is forced to share the tactics he used.
Not saying that you guys have to accept it, don’t believe it’s possible if you want. Even if it is a bit kitten since i provided screenshots and gave imformation about how it can be done.
There have been arguments “blabla is not possible”, which i all proved wrong.
And what does skipping bosses have to do with this? Kholer is optional, like the Bridge event im CoF. Or are you now telling me CoF farmers who skip that are not doing CoF p1?

You haven’t proven anything at all in this entire thread. All you’ve done is make unfounded, unproven claims and refuse to back any of them up with actual evidence. We don’t care that the other site is willing to take your word for it. Their trust in you is irrelevant to the veracity of your claims.

Dub.1273:

Iures.2894:

Dub.1273:

We used exactly one – because we were lazy and it makes start going faster.

Faster means saving about 10 seconds.

Yeah, still gonna need a video for that. . .

Figure out how it works and record it.
I won’t.

Sorry, but the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. If you can’t be bothered to back up your own claim, I’m going to assume you’re making it up. It’s not my job to prove things for you because you can’t take the 5 minutes to do it yourself. . .

Yeah, not seeing the issue here. If you’re only bored when you’re dead, stop dying.

Dub.1273:

We used exactly one – because we were lazy and it makes start going faster.

Faster means saving about 10 seconds.

Yeah, still gonna need a video for that. . .

ZudetGambeous.9573:

You can’t give out only dyes that people haven’t unlocked because it is easily exploitable. I would just unlock every dye except the 2 most expensive and then buy a ton of packs and make myself rich.

Which, of course, would quickly crash the market, making dyes worthless. . .

So, after watching a video posted by one of the other members of the forum Dub linked to, it seems that the strategy is to skip everything (including spider and gravelings in the trap hallway), then use fire ele, mortars, plant mortars, ogre pets, and more stealth kits than you can shake a stick at. So, yeah, using any times based on the use of no less than 5 different types of consumables is hardly a good basis for determining the fastest path, especially for someone unfamiliar with the area.

And if you’re going to say that your ele/warrior duo used no consumables, I’m going to demand a video before I believe it.

Dub.1273:

That time you have been kicked out of the dungeon when you were in a party and all others left/you left. Of course, i could have faked the party window of every single screen.

All three of them. Clearly a monumental task. . .

Dub.1273:

Ayrilana.1396:

I doubt it that you solo’d the burrows that quickly. With the knockdowns and how quickly gravelings spawn, I don’t see it being possible. Maybe before the revamp but not now.

So how was http://imgur.com/a/sbjGg possible?

Again, that’s just a series of pictures of you in a dungeon. It proves absolutely nothing other than that you were alone when you took the pictures.

Ayrilana.1396:

Except he was a warrior.

Oh, hey, you’re right. Yeah, not seeing how that’s happening.

So, Ice Storm, Meteor Shower, Ice Storm on the second bow, then? With two elementalists, each taking their own chain, but each taking the 3rd of the opposite chain (so there’s no crossover). I could see the event taking just over 20 seconds from first spawn to last one dying.

Mind you, that still doesn’t verify the rest of your alleged run. . .

Yelena Lucius.3059:

Reading this forum on past posts 30 days ago, I am not the only one who feels this way. People are feeling cheated, and they are entitled to their feelings. Lesson learned – I could have just purchased gold instead and bought the colors I wanted on the TP.

Shame, because I will never spend another dollar buying gems again for a “gamble” as you put it, or anything else for that matter.

Your animosity is based on a misunderstanding of chance and statistics, but okay. . .

Yeah, sorry, but your two pictures and “honor system” aren’t gonna cut it here. Post a video to back up your claims, or don’t expect to be taken seriously.

Wait, you’re arguing that you can’t transmute up a tier? Pretty sure rares and exotics can be transmuted, and same with exotic to eventual Ascended. . .

Titan.3472:

Ascended weapons have not been released yet.

. . .Clearly, but that doesn’t address my point at all >_>

Titan.3472:

Never transmute legendary… The stone used to transmute item is emptying the coding of said item keeping only the appearance and replacing it with the coding linked to an exotic item: that coding won’t be upgraded on par to ascended weapons as it’s an exotic item looking only like said legendary. Only the not transmuted “legendary items coding” will meet the requirement, the only modification you can safely do on a legendary is switch to another sigil.

So, you’re advocating keeping the PVT stats on the legendary; waiting for those PVT stats to be upgraded to Ascended PVT stats instead of Exotic PVT stats; and then, and only then, transmuting to non-PVT Ascended stats? If you already have to transmute to non-PVT Ascended stats, why not go ahead and transmute to non-PVT Exotic stats in the mean time?

Dub.1273:

Use your imagination, it’s all about two skills.

Okay, I’ll use my imagination. There, I just solo’d the dungeon in two minutes. Gee, that was fun!

Air.3154:

Uh no, i see them maybe for half a second, then they’re just again a simple no-one to me.
being unique in a game works for delusional people that actually thinks that those skin makes them stand out just cuz they’re either something incredibly kittenedly long to farm or require a bit of luck in the scam-like game of black lion chests.

But again, do you see the people running around with blue weaponry for even half a second?

Dub.1273:

http://gwscr.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6
You can see a full solo of me, a 7 minute duo of us (third run after 3 month of zero AC) and some other things there. Duo’ing the burrow part is about 20 seconds.
With 5 men you can split (some people waiting at scepter search while others do burrow part) and killing bosses doesn’t even take 5 seconds then.
Also, farming AC rewards me with way more money than CoF or even Arah.

Oddly, I see no videos. While the adage might be “pics or it didn’t happen,” I hope you understand that in this case, I’m asking for something more. . .substantial.

Air.3154:

Henge.3907:

True story, I would like the skin less if everyone had it. I think they should increase the chance on their drop rates a bit, but it’s difficult to make your character stand out with the limited armor and weapon selections that are in the game.

News flash, you ain’t standing out any more with a fused weapon or a legendary. If i see you with a fused, i just say “lucky”, if i see you with a legendary i just say “goodforhimidon’tcare”
And it’s not true that it’s difficult to make your character stand out, if you need to have a legendary/fused to make your character stand out you aren’t just using the tools you’re given properly. There are some very cool armor and color combination, you can look totally kitten without having to win a lottery at their stupid chest game.

Here’s the thing, though—you actually see characters with fused and legendary weapons. When I pass the bulk of people in LA, nothing about their weaponry catches my eye unless it’s a unique skin that actually stands out. There’s still a lot of room they can work with for armor, but for weaponry there’s very little they can do. How often do you walk by and go, “Oh, hey, that guy’s using a darksteel skin. Wonder if he crafted it or bought it”? I’m guessing you don’t, because there’s nothing visually drawing about the majority of the weapon skins in game. So, the mere fact that the visually unique weapons serve to draw your eyes, even if it’s just to curse the good fortune of the wielder, means that they’re serving their purpose; and that purpose gets diluted if everyone has one. . .

Well, you have a 1/25 chance of getting a duplicate color. Nothing really strange about that. What’s the issue?

Zariuss.2357:

I think it goes in this order, slow to long. SE p1, HotW p1, SE p3, AC…

I think you mean short to long, or fast to slow. :p

Softspoken.2410:

I don’t think Endure Pain works on environmental traps. :c

Does shield blocking work? Haven’t done CM in ages. . .

Mirta.5029:

Iures.2894:

He’ll lose even more damage when he dies half-way across the room and can’t be rez’d.

who do you run with that they go down like that? All a ranged lurer has to do is continuously step out of the middle of the aoe and stand at the side of the circle. They don’t even need a dodge. Being a guardian with a scepter, normally in my runs I get ice and it’s really kitten easy to stay alive.

Until, y’know, you get crystalled in the middle of the room and all your teleports are on cooldown.

Really I think the whole thing needs a redesign, and it’s very rare that I would say something like that. . .