Guild Wars 2

displacedTitan.6897:

So did the OP and other people miss the part where they said that the PvP and WvW portion could be purchased on the TP or did they just instantly kneejerk and post here?

I know I’m probably in the minority and will receive backlash for saying this but I want legendary weapons to be a lot of work… not just something that you can buy off the TP. It cheapens the meaning of them. It used to be when you saw someone running around with a legendary, you knew they had worked hard for it and put a lot of time and effort into making it… now, not so much. Maybe these new changes will bring that feeling back and maybe not. We shall see.

Iavra.8510:

If this is such a pressing problem then maybe when you enter a jumping puzzle all skills should go away…

Nah, then all those professions who got leaps to make JPs easier (guess, how many leaps mesmer got? Right, 0) would complain.

If this is such a pressing problem then maybe when you enter a jumping puzzle “ALL” skills should go away…

selan.8354:

Karmasutra.9351:

If this is such a pressing problem then maybe when you enter a jumping puzzle all skills should go away… like that super fun box dungeon thing. It would make for an even playing field and no one can complain.

nope sry, but i also use my portal as insurance so in case i fall i get another chance.if portal gets removed, i wont do jp’s anymore as i suck at them and take very long.

only because some selfish dude doesn’t like when others get help, because he thinks he is sooo much better than everyone and needs acknowledgement for all that, others that need help cannot get any anymore, that’s bullkitten!pardon my french!

I personally agree. I’m just saying right now, if portal is taken away everyone else better loose their skills that help them through JP’s as well.

If this is such a pressing problem then maybe when you enter a jumping puzzle all skills should go away… like that super fun box dungeon thing. It would make for an even playing field and no one can complain.

I’m just waiting for the shatter nerf as well as a stealth/PU nerf. It’s approaching like a dark cloud on the horizon.

Yougottawanna.7420:

With signet of inspiration, I see that it copies your buffs to nearby allies, has anyone researched how close “nearby” is and how many allies? For WvW in particular the number of allies that get the buffs would make a big difference.

600m radius but not sure if there is an actual cap on number of people that can recieve it. I’ve been checking all the different sources out there and haven’t found an answer, maybe someone else would know??? Will try to test with guild tonight if there are enough people on.

Nope. If I reroll the kittens win. I’ll just make another build to annoy them with.

#$% they nerfed bleeds! Kitten#$% kitten!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQNAsfWlwzConVzoGa9IipHDHyBcnUwcQXJFz2FC-jECBYMERjUFDRj4AMBqIasVRFRjVZDT9iIq2SuIa1yAwsAA-w

WvW Inspirational Portal Bomber: As your team comes through portal drop chaos storm and time warp then hit signet of inspiration= instant face melt for the other team. For smaller skirmishes switch to mass invis for shorter cool down. I went for 20 in dueling over domination for the clones on dodge and extra bleed damage when I’m not on portal bomb duty.

Post-Nerf: Probably switching 20 out of dueling into domination for torch cooldown and switching bleed sigils for burns. Will have to test sword vs, scepter.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQNAsfWlwzConVzoGa9IhpHDH5A/kCmDdSKc9rB-jUCBYMERjUFJjsIQEHgJQFRjtKqIasKbYqXER1WyFRrWGAmFA-w

Kaimick.5109:

zhonnika.1784:

Karmasutra.9351:

This is what being matched up with JQ and SOR week after week feels like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=cbBlYfTbA44&NR=1

The birds are totally SoR #tempestpigeons

No lets me honest here, SoR despite having Iron to raise them to new hieghts which gave them a boom in Coverage and Activity on the field is definatly the Black cat in this video. Jade Quarry would be the birds. You noticed that the birds would only attack THe Orange and white cat till it looked like the he was winning then they hit the black Cat.

All jokes aside SoR has really imprssed me this week no intention pre dertermined Double team yet. As we can see the match up is close. Lets just hope that JQ doesn’t start riding the coat tails of the stronger so they don’t get hit this week. If all week went like it has on friday and saturday a true 3 way fight this will be a great match up.

PS I know Some SoR trolls will say BG and JQ double teamed SoR at reset, let me put that to ease. We took everything from you on the west side then took Valley, then took Bravost from JQ We also toook SM from JQ that night. We simply used JQ as a distraction to get what we wanted, I promise there was no intention double team there, which is what a true double team should be. Do it for an objective and then EAT THEIR FACES ;-) not 5 to 8 hours per a day for 3 days straight ;-)

Anyhow good fights lets hope it stays this way all week.

I think JQ is most definitely the pigeons… sneaky little instigators, yanking both cats tails and then sitting back to watch the show. lol

It has been a really good match-up so far this week, I have never seen the points so close. I hope it stays this way all week too, I’m actually having fun!

SOI is great to use with Superior Runes of Lyssa. If you do a chaos storm and then use Time Warp and SOI, it passes huge stacks of every boon available in the game to you and people standing near you. Great burst for WVW and dungeons.

Blackarps.1974:

zhonnika.1784:

Karmasutra.9351:

Blackarps.1974:

Karmasutra.9351:

This is what being matched up with JQ and SOR week after week feels like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=cbBlYfTbA44&NR=1

As someone from JQ who never has the numbers to fight BG or SoR, I feel like those birds almost every day. Reset nights are fun but the lag is terrible and by Wednesday we are outmanned on every map. FUN STUFF! Seriously though, everyone in JQ is sick of the same match-ups and I think its pretty safe to say we wouldn’t mind dropping to any tier if it means new opponents.

We respect the skills JQ and SOR bring to the field every week (ignore the forum warriors that’s part of war tactics). We push each other to learn how to adapt and be the best we can be but I think we are all ready to take a little break from each other.

It’s just… we all know how the other plays at this point. You can make calls in your sleep because there’s little to no surprise anymore. Nothing new to adapt to — tho, the meta change on Tuesday may help a little. I want to face different servers to gain knowledge, and I expect the lower ‘tiers’ learn a lot from us when they get to face us. I’d love to see TC up in our spot, so they can see what they need to do to close the gap on us. We have a beautiful matchup, score-wise (tho it’ll lopside out soon enough), but… it’s just so… meh. Random means random for anyone except T1 NA

Exactly. Its fun learning new opponents but it should still be a fair fight. I remember hearing [AoS] and [TNO] in teamspeak all start laughing last night as we saw BG and SoR come up again as our match-up. I’m sure you guys in SF and those in SG, ACO, WARD, were the same.

It was more of a loud collective groan on BG TS. lol

Blackarps.1974:

Karmasutra.9351:

This is what being matched up with JQ and SOR week after week feels like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=cbBlYfTbA44&NR=1

As someone from JQ who never has the numbers to fight BG or SoR, I feel like those birds almost every day. Reset nights are fun but the lag is terrible and by Wednesday we are outmanned on every map. FUN STUFF! Seriously though, everyone in JQ is sick of the same match-ups and I think its pretty safe to say we wouldn’t mind dropping to any tier if it means new opponents.

We respect the skills JQ and SOR bring to the field every week (ignore the forum warriors that’s part of war tactics). We push each other to learn how to adapt and be the best we can be but I think we are all ready to take a little break from each other.

This is what being matched up with JQ and SOR week after week feels like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=cbBlYfTbA44&NR=1

If you’re just starting out I would recommend finding a guild with an active spvp group that uses voice chat. Most groups are more than happy to mold and train a mesmer. Also, take a look at the builds by PyroAtheist, Oscicat or Flimp, they are a good starting point and once you find your own personal play style then you can tweak things to what works for you. Above all else, practice, practice, practice! You can’t just walk into spvp and expect to be automatically awesome,… unless you’re a thief. Just kidding… not really.

kylia.4813:

Karmasutra.9351:

kylia.4813:

Karmasutra.9351:

kylia.4813:

Karmasutra.9351:

Fay.2735:

Oh my, fighting over who gets to ‘get me on the couch’. I’m afraid I don’t have a mic and going through some real life stuff atm so I can’t right now. Maybe in the future big ‘Maybe’

Tease! :P Okay, can I ask which of your builds do you think, if a large group mesmers ran in a zerg, would have the most potential for healing and shut-down? What would be good for Kylia to test since he has the access to a coordinated group of mesmers. I was thinking Panacea but passiflora trinkets, etc are painful to get.

Given I’ll probably have to fund the 10+ sets of gear… let’s start with utils and traits first :p

Sorry, I’m just excited! I’ve been thinking about this ever since the patch and it’s killing me! My guild has pretty much stopped running with more than two or three mesmers so I can’t test anything beyond my own game play.

Come join AVTR on FA

If that’s a sincere invite I might have to consider it. Although, I don’t know if AVTR could handle this much exuberance and cosmic fabulosity. It’s infectious… all your mesmers will end up running around with pink princess wands while shouting, “Pain, Agony, Torment”. ha ha! :P

Already do all that! :P well except for maybe the shouting, unles its a Friday night!

Sincere invite Do note that we are predominantly Oceanic, this might effect your desicion. *ponder

MERC is Oceanic as well so not a problem. I would consider it an honor to get to play with you all.

kylia.4813:

Karmasutra.9351:

kylia.4813:

Karmasutra.9351:

Fay.2735:

Oh my, fighting over who gets to ‘get me on the couch’. I’m afraid I don’t have a mic and going through some real life stuff atm so I can’t right now. Maybe in the future big ‘Maybe’

Tease! :P Okay, can I ask which of your builds do you think, if a large group mesmers ran in a zerg, would have the most potential for healing and shut-down? What would be good for Kylia to test since he has the access to a coordinated group of mesmers. I was thinking Panacea but passiflora trinkets, etc are painful to get.

Given I’ll probably have to fund the 10+ sets of gear… let’s start with utils and traits first :p

Sorry, I’m just excited! I’ve been thinking about this ever since the patch and it’s killing me! My guild has pretty much stopped running with more than two or three mesmers so I can’t test anything beyond my own game play.

Come join AVTR on FA

If that’s a sincere invite I might have to consider it. Although, I don’t know if AVTR could handle this much exuberance and cosmic fabulosity. It’s infectious… all your mesmers will end up running around with pink princess wands while shouting, “Pain, Agony, Torment”. ha ha! :P

kylia.4813:

Karmasutra.9351:

Fay.2735:

Oh my, fighting over who gets to ‘get me on the couch’. I’m afraid I don’t have a mic and going through some real life stuff atm so I can’t right now. Maybe in the future big ‘Maybe’

Tease! :P Okay, can I ask which of your builds do you think, if a large group mesmers ran in a zerg, would have the most potential for healing and shut-down? What would be good for Kylia to test since he has the access to a coordinated group of mesmers. I was thinking Panacea but passiflora trinkets, etc are painful to get.

Given I’ll probably have to fund the 10+ sets of gear… let’s start with utils and traits first :p

Sorry, I’m just excited! I’ve been thinking about this ever since the patch and it’s killing me! My guild has pretty much stopped running with more than two or three mesmers so I can’t test anything beyond my own game play.

Fay.2735:

Oh my, fighting over who gets to ‘get me on the couch’. I’m afraid I don’t have a mic and going through some real life stuff atm so I can’t right now. Maybe in the future big ‘Maybe’

Tease! :P Okay, can I ask which of your builds do you think, if a large group mesmers ran in a zerg, would have the most potential for healing and shut-down? What would be good for Kylia to test since he has the access to a coordinated group of mesmers. I was thinking Panacea but passiflora trinkets, etc are painful to get.

Sebrent.3625:

I think people get too stuck on the idea of mantras being only frontloaded.

Many people in a fight stay in range of their foe so they can keep hitting them with auto-attacks. However, there are people that do more of a “jousting” style. Osicat is a great example of this. He will run in, burst, run out, repeat. It’s during those run in/out periods that you can charge your mantras. They are points in which you and your opponent are not in range of each other so are ideal for this.

Additionally, there are mantra traits that make it not such a bad idea to take the 2.75 seconds to rechannel a mantra as they give you more toughness and heal you at the end.

I think Mantras are just a harder type of skill to grasp and as such the Mesmer community has not devoted as much of our awesome brainpower to figuring out all the best ways to use them.

Players like Fay and ChaosMaestro have made some progress, but I think there is still potentially more that could be done.

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I think you are right there is HUGE potential with this and I wish people would give it a chance. One mesmer running a mantra build like this is just a smudge on the screen but a whole group of mesmers running this in a wvw zerg situation could be amazing.

Ha ha! I should have perhaps worded that differently but if it made people laugh, I’ll take it. Hopefully I didn’t scare Fay away. I just think there are some mantra builds that have potential for being the next mesmer “zerg buster” and would love to hear some input. Can a large group of mesmers running mantra of pain and mantra of distraction shut down a zerg with constant heals and dazes? If anet wants to push mantras at us, can we make it viable in T1 and T2 wvw?

Good show as always, it was really positve and hopeful. I look forward to the next evolution of builds that will open up for us.

Since Kylia has access to a concentrated group of wvw mesmers, I’m wondering if it would be possible to make a request. Some night when you all are bored, maybe you could all try to run a mantra healing support build (along the lines of Fay’s Panacea build)as a large mesmer group? I’m curious how viable it is for a large group zerg situation and would love to see it in action. I’ve been thinking that with 5-10+ mesmers it might net some pretty interesting results. Video footage (good or bad) for analysis would be stellar!

Also isn’t it time to get Fay on the couch?

Pyroatheist.9031:

Crossplay.2067:

Aveneo.2068:

Next time they say ‘Portal pls’, you say ‘10s pls’.

Reminds me of my old WoW days where you gave Mages a tip for making you a portal.

This is what you do! Make them pay for your services. If they refuse, they have two good legs and better mobility powers than you to complete the jp on their own.

Then YOU can sit there drinking coke eating your mcdonalds and KFC slumped on the chair going: aren’t you guys here yet?

Hahah, Mesmers Unionize Now!! This would be hilarious.

Use portals to make money for all the gear we have to replace. Works for me!

I think the thing that bothers me most is that Anet hasn’t even posted anything on their OWN forums. They always seem to go out and casually mention huge changes like this in some random secondary source that you have to go fishing around for.

I didn’t think anyone in this post was being a bully. Everyone had some really great informative pointers to share. Take from it what you will. You can duct tape your keyboard to your head and swing your mouse around like a lasoo if it makes you happy. I don’t judge.

We are mesmers. Until Anet reduces us to naked, weaponless shells, we will find a way to make all the nerfs and broken mechanics work to our advantage… and look sexy while doing it. As Dwayna is my witness, we will continue to annoy kittens and make them cry. Viva la Heccate and Panacea!

Fay.2735:

Since this update will make Mantras even more viable I will be revisiting my mantra build for pvp purposes and see what I can come up with. The current ones should work even better now as they stand of course (Especially the support one Panacea!) I also like that they mentioned that mantras still need some love and so it’s encouraging to know they will probably look into them more so in the future.

Hmmm… 20 mesmers in a zerg with superior runes of dwayna and restorative mantras spamming mantra of pain… could be very interesting.

Karmasutra.9351:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Here’s what you do:

Hold W to move forward, or hit an autorun key when it suits. Straff when its time to strafe. Meanwhile you should be holding the right mouse button down whenever turning. As someone said, left is just combat.

Next, if you want to go up another level (and make your entire gaming experience far more fluid and fun) get something like this http://www.razerzone.com/synapse2
That way all your skill buttons (and anything else you want) are right there on your mouse.

I’m left handed so I’ve had to train myself to use mouse with right hand over the years. Getting a multi-button mouse has been game changing for me. I have everything bound to it and I just use keyboard for dodge and tab target and shatters. I promise, a gaming mouse is worth investing in.

It would also be nice to be able dye hair accesories.

Snow White.9680:

3. It’s the most distracting.

What! I’m a mesmer!!

Ditto. Four sets of… uhm… distractions, can be very valuable. In fact I think it’s a required female mesmer skill. Boob daze:momentarily stuns male opponents and adds an extra stack of confusion.

Snow White.9680:

Hey guys! Let’s post some ideas (Include pictures!!) for human hairstyles we’d like to see added to the gem store, or just to the game in general!

I’d love a messy bun type hairstyle for human females. I’d really appreciate some ponytail styles and more shoulder length options as well. This could be as easy as opening up some of the Norn styles for the humans.

I believe that anet could even combined existing hairstyles for some really nice looks.

Quick Example:

Love this and would gladly pay gems for it! Anet please! More hair choices and armor skins that you can wear in combat! Stop with the town clothes!

Aberrant.6749:

It’s only cheating if it’s being used in an unintended way. Seems to me it’s working as intended. Plus it’s a JP… who the frick cares.

What about eng’s super gun jump of awesomeness? You think they should remove that too?

Exactly! ..and what about warriors and their jump skill? Take away mesmer portals in JP then everyone else better loose their stuff too.

I’m fine with the idea that when people enter a JP zone all skills go away and everyone is given the same weapon/skill, like the Super Fun Dungeon thing that’s going on right now. It would even things out and take the pressure off mesmers a bit.

Try traiting them with cripple or confusion on death rather than just shatter. That will help a little.

For wvw I like 20/00/10/10/30. It’s basically Kylia’s build but I take 10 out of illusions and put it in chaos for fall damage reduction. I like diving off very high cliffs to kill enemy yaks. Rawr!

It helps to think of clones more as cluster bombs than a pet that hangs around and helps you fight mobs. Phantasm survival does get a little better as you level up if you trait them to hang around.

Thank you to Pyro and Kylia for answering my questions on condition damage/condition duration. Also that reddit post thorment posted helped. I was looking at the spread sheet for condition damage/duration and noticed it only goes up to 1300 condition damage, is it a fair assesment that at 1300 condition damage it’s better to start stacking duration to try and reach the 10 second cap? If not, what is the raw number of condition damage we should be aiming for in a confusion build? Is there even a point where there is a diminishing return on condition damage? I know I’m probably just overthinking it for lack of better things to do.

Mesmers are one of those wonky classes that no one can really tell you how to play. You honestly need to go through the leveling process to develop your playstyle and find the weapons that you are able survive best with. Once you have that then you can start to look at builds… and there are so many great guides for builds on this forum and people to help if you have questions. Welcome to the mesmer family.

kylia.4813:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Karmasutra.9351:

Thank you for answering some of my questions. I’m hoping the condition damage versus condition duration question is being saved for another time (fingers crossed). I also really appreciated the little tidbit Kylia threw in there about not stacking toughness beyond 1500 and how it balances with vitality. That’s the kind of information that really helps in playing with different gear options.

I played WOW for almost 7 years so it’s been hard for me to wrap my brain around no difinitive diminishing returns (before 100%) on things like crit. I’m so used to having to factor in internal cooldowns that make it pointless to stack some stats beyond a certain point. I guess overall it doesn’t matter as this isn’t really a min/max kind of game but I sort of miss that.

P.S. Kylia are there any alternative gear options for your new build, named gear sets get a little expensive for us peons that just want to test before making a 10-20g commitment to a build.

Rabid gear can be obtained from orr karma vendors, twilight arbor, caudecus manor, honor of the waves, and arah.

Edit: Also from wvw badges, as per the most recent patch I believe.

New build doesn’t use Rabid

I have yet to find any items, if I do, I’ll make sure to let you know!

I think the closest I could find was Knight’s gear power, precision, toughness, which actually might not be too bad of a compromise since you loose so much toughness in the build and then just add the superior runes of rage.

Thank you for answering some of my questions. I’m hoping the condition damage versus condition duration question is being saved for another time (fingers crossed). I also really appreciated the little tidbit Kylia threw in there about not stacking toughness beyond 1500 and how it balances with vitality. That’s the kind of information that really helps in playing with different gear options.

I played WOW for almost 7 years so it’s been hard for me to wrap my brain around no difinitive diminishing returns (before 100%) on things like crit. I’m so used to having to factor in internal cooldowns that make it pointless to stack some stats beyond a certain point. I guess overall it doesn’t matter as this isn’t really a min/max kind of game but I sort of miss that.

P.S. Kylia are there any alternative gear options for your new build, named gear sets get a little expensive for us peons that just want to test before making a 10-20g commitment to a build.

I think you have to bribe them with rare veggie pizza and lemongrass poultry soup.

Sebrent.3625:

Your scepter’s skin is a Princess Wand and your focus’s skin is a flower.

Ha ha… uhm… (slinks to corner and switches scepter and focus skins). You saw NOTHING! I don’t know what you’re talking about. Moving on. I mean… pfft… WHO would use those?!? <cough>

Really good show! Humourous and insightful as I had hoped it would be. Kylia and Pyro are a good balance for each other and it was especially interesting to hear differing views on scepter and torch.

Possible future show questions/topics:

-How do you guys feel about possibility of an in-coming shatter nerf. QQ or is it a little too OP and time to be toned down?

-In depth explanation, thoughts and recommendations for stacking condition damage vs. condition duration. Are there magic numbers we should be aiming for to maximize condition and confusion/glamour builds.

-Are mesmers slowly becoming pigeon-holed into certain meta-builds and roles, i.e. glam builds for wvw, bunker for pvp, etc.?

P.S. I really hate having to wait so long to hear another show from you guys.

Just wanted to bump this as a reminder. I’ve really been looking forward to hearing this podcast. Good luck guys, love you!

FLIMP.8172:

Attack of the Clones!

Ha ha! Queue the Star Wars music! Mesmers Strike Back: Attack of the Clones.

I also like Chaos Theory: Butterfly Effect, it might help ease the mind of gents who are a bit squeemish of pretty purple (cough-pink-cough) butterflies. Hee hee!

This is going to be really fun. I already bookmarked the site and added sticky to my calendar. I’m really looking forward to it.

kylia.4813:

Dhampyr.2104:

Kazhiel.8194:

I’ll second Karmasutra’s suggestions and add Flimpy to that list.

I would add Kylia to that list as well – as far as glamour mesmers go, he’s probably as good as they come. Added to the fact that we’re facing FA now, I’m definitely looking forward to catching him in WvW and being taught some stuff. xD

Will keep an eye out for you on the battlefield

+1 to names mentioned!

p.s. I have a brand new build in testing, maybe we can reveal this on the pocast :O

I worship you and your squeedily spooch! Looking forward to the new guide!

Looking forward to it, the above suggestions are the mesmer dream team. If they ever got together in one group… yikes!

Plus one to both Kazhiel and Dhampyr. Would also add Fay for mantra build perspective as well as all the work done compiling all the mesmer guides. (Have to admit I’m running Kylia’s build currently, ha ha. Good stuff!)

I know I would definitely make time to listen to a podcast by Osicat, Pyroatheist and/or Grimm. I consider them to be pretty intelligent and well informed in the mesmer craft. Please keep us posted so we can tune in.

I’ve been running a glamour confusion build for wvwvw and have found scepter and torch to be a great secondary weapon on two accounts.

-It allows me to stealth into the middle of an enemy zerg, switch to staff and drop my null field or feedback and then phase retreat or portal back into my own group.

-If you stand under walls, scepter clones can be generated on top of walls and shattered to take down cannons, oil and players on top.

I know this is situational to my play style and part of a very specific build so I do have to agree that I would love to see the scepter maybe get a little tweak to make it more viable. As far as torch, anything that gives me another few seconds of invisibility when I’m trying to hide, put down portals, or get away from a fight I know I can’t win is good.

In the end, everyone has their own play style, and I’m constantly suprised by all the crazy things us mesmers can do. I learn so much from you all on these forums.