Guild Wars 2

if you couldnt play reaper before snapcast
snapcast wont make you a good reaper

Put in the effort to learn revenant. It’s not a noob friendly class but when played properly it does everything a warrior could want and more.

“Guardian has amazing heals per second, but is missing any good way to burst heal.”

you have receive the light pbaoe/medium cooldown and signet of courage large aoe/long cooldown.

Draknar.5748:

Wow some serious knee-jerk here. At no point did anyone say it was required.

the dev litterally just said thaton twitter. before retconning it on reddit.

StickerHappy.8052:

Nova Stiker.8396:

StickerHappy.8052:

Nova Stiker.8396:

StickerHappy.8052:

Nova Stiker.8396:

StickerHappy.8052:

Nova Stiker.8396:

StickerHappy.8052:

Ranger gets buffed after being the lowest of the all, everyone loses their minds… What a joke…

That is the problem, it’s not a buff. It’s just adding bunker role to ranger. There is absolutely no reason to go anything but full healing power tank on Druid.

Enjoy your “buff,” you got only 1 build.

It’s funny that you are generalizing and finalizing things about a class that is not even released or even just played in BWE. What a sad life to live wouldn’t you say?

How the kitten does theory crafting = sad life?
If you are trying to bully, you are failing horribly.

Am I the bully now? Dude.. get a hold of yourself, theorycrafting with what? Temporary stuff? Okay…

FYI – theorycrafting is not GENERALIZING AND FINALIZING. You are saying as if Druids will only get 1 BUILD.

I mean really?

Temporary? Yes, but the concept is there. ArenaNet, as of right now, wants the Druid to be purely a healer. There is no evidence that shows they want to change it from being a healer-like role. No conditions, no power, not even buffs from boons. Just healing.

Okay Einstien, what build have you thought up? What Druid will you be playing?

There is a dazebot MoC build that you can use. A remorseless One you can also use which is in the ranger forums..

So yeah… 1 Build… Yea right..

LOL, a stun lock build on ranger? I’ve seen those! Dead rangers use them

Now I am giving you builds, and you counter it with a different argument? Isnt it your original argument is “Druids will only have 1 build”

i think he was talking about viable builds

Just like scrapper traits look strong on standard engi.

I’m thinking about longbow gs or longbow s/x with beastmastery, wilderness survival, druid and marauder amulet.

From the adepts you get a condi removal.
From the masters you get a stealth that doesn’t rely on hitting a target (hunter shot) or rng (suine pet f2).
From the grandmasters you get a situational immobilize on a 10s cd.

Basically you just flash celestial form to stealth and condi cleanse and play like a standard power ranger.
As a bonus you also get some cool abilities to play around in celestial form, provided you aren’t pressured to leave it to stealth.

number 3 can be used to aoe proc the immobilize from the grandmaster,
number 5 is a strong cleave, remember that slow goes through stability,
everything else can be used to heal up if the situation allows it.

IMO it all depends on how fast you can generate celestial force but it has the potential to be good.

StinVec.3621:

cut

what’s the weather like in the stone age ?

Rizo.9534:

You don’t know yet???
They already told, that you have to complete all HoT leaving story achievements and clear all raids with core ranger, to open druid for it!

that wouldn’t be too bad, pve progression that opens up new possibilities, it would get me to do pve for once :O

the problem is not trinity or lack thereof, “the problem” is everyone must be able to do everything so dungeons lack any real challenging mechanic and you just zerk rush everything. And i say “problem” because one way or the other this philosophy turned out to be very popular.

Anyway there are things that are more challenging and bring diversification, TA aetherpath is a good example of that, the champion husks during the 3headedwurm are another good example.

Here’s hoping with the rework of defiance and the introduction of raid content some of the trinity entusiasts will start to appreciate the pve side of gw2.

get rekt rangers

what about 1 temporary amulet on rotation ? every week one stat combo is rotated in and one stat combo is rotated out and things are crazy during the dire week.

yeah about defiant stance why is it that revenants get to use an istant version of it that also lasts longer ?

i know i know apples to oranges, different classes and all that, but still that much of a gap doesn’t seem justified.

If, as some people like to argue, all enemies but the Reaper is a bunker, then chances are you should probably just… Leave that fight and go be useful somewhere else? That’d be my best advice.

well this is dumb, if you get something like ele ele guard reaper thief you can’t focus anyone. you pressure ele they get out of the fight and reset. you pressure thief you cant really pressure a thief if the thief is good. you pressure guard someone on your team will die to pressure before the guard does. you can only resort to good old focus the necro exept this time it will take 3x the time it usually takes to kill it.

this is a terrain inherent bug it can not be fixed without some drastic changes to the phisics engine.

now i want you to think about this: what do you think is more likely, a drastic overhaul of the phisics engine or a change to the reaper ?

meow one twenty.4376:

Lachanche.6859:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

To everyone else saying Reapers are too tanky: Perhaps, then, you might consider that the “focus the Necro first” strategy might need to be rethought when the Necro is a Reaper? It could do you wonders.

how about we just change reapers instead of changing everyone’s strategy in regards to necros ?

Lol are you seriously saying that “focus the Necro” should continue to be a thing just so people don’t need to learn anything new?

i’m just saying it’s more reasonable to change the direction your driving instead of making everyone change direction, why should reaper be allowed special treatment ?

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

To everyone else saying Reapers are too tanky: Perhaps, then, you might consider that the “focus the Necro first” strategy might need to be rethought when the Necro is a Reaper? It could do you wonders.

how about we just change reapers instead of changing everyone’s strategy in regards to necros ?

Nova Stiker.8396:

Lachanche.6859:

Hammerguard.9834:

“I don’t know what it does but it hurts and it’s OP”

my thoughts exactly xD

I’ll explain it AGAIN.
Blighter’s Boon
Cold Shoulder
Chilling Force

There you go Einstein, do your research.

would you be so kind to also include tooltips ?

Hammerguard.9834:

“I don’t know what it does but it hurts and it’s OP”

my thoughts exactly xD

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

its working as intended. move along.

people complain about everything.

too bursty? complain.
too tanky? complain.

you can’t satisfy everyone.

they are also quite bursty gravedigger hurts a lot when it lands (and i dont recognize animation yet so i keep tanking it with my teeth)

Nova Stiker.8396:

meow one twenty.4376:

Why is your whole team within 140-600 range of two Reapers?

It’s called everything but Foefire.

if you stand on point with 5 people you are doing it wrong

Ideally you want the tanky guys alternate on point while everyone else moves in the right places and try to kills the right targets. Dumb example on khylo mid fights are usually 1 thief chasing 1 mesmer around clocktower, 1 necro/engi free casting from somewhere, 1 guy trying to kill the necro/engi, ele/guardian ducking it out on point.

You are telling me that you have a solid pack of players fighting on point all the time, that’s a basic mistake (even if it s 3 players that’s still 2 players too many).

plz block whispers to f2p trials or this will be the new dawn of gold sellers

Temporal curtain only grants swiftness if you don’t already have swiftness so you lose out on overall uptime from having to wait for the swiftness already on you to wear off.

Still, that’s much better than having to stop for 2 seconds every 10 seconds to blast a light field, atm rev is even slower than mesmer

You use it to hit stealthed targets or mesmer clones when they chase you.
The skill itself is quite weak but i can still see a couple of situations where it could be useful.
Basically those situations where any aoe would turn out useful, no matter how weak :P

Mantras (a kind of mesmer utilites) have the trademark of being istant casts and not requiring to be facing your target.

When i say they don’t require to face your target what i really mean is that you can 360 no scope all your mantras as long as your target is within range and there is line of sight.

So my question is, would it be a good pvp change to make them a bit more restrictive ? For example instead of 360 degrees reduce their activation radius to 180 degrees, that way they would still be pretty flexible but they would lose that 360 activation radius that i personally feel is a bit too much.

Let’s consider that mantras have a very long wind up time so it might be justified to make them work the way they work now, i want to know what other players think about them.

thief is amazing xD it’s like i am playing with ascended stuff + food in wvwvw, never seen heartseekr crit 7k on a engi

I think chait said nos was using celestial amulet with a signet build. That looked quite cool, he was also playing with signet of vampirism instead of consume conditions (consume conditions is rip apparently).

I think the biggest problem might be in teamfights where you no longer have any means to remove pressure.

Ugh, i admit some of the livestream is painful to watch, still i gotta keep the monkey busy. Hype went full ape mode.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2

The guy in the video just showed 2k condi damage with signet of bursting and runes of the undead (also possible with runes of scavenging) in spvp.

Can anyone calculate how much damage plague will do to you if you have 2k condi damage ?

zealot looks a bit too much like dire to be introduced to pvp, imo

LoL you talk about relative ? You, who looked at 3920 and said celestial got buffed without realizing that every amulet received an increment in stats, without realizing that relatively to other amulets celestial lost something compared to what was possible before ?

Just because you have an higher total it doesn’t mean you got stronger:
- all celestial builds are going to do less condition damage now (new scaling, less than 700 condi dmg means less dmg than you used to do).

they also become less tanky
- warrior loses 78 thoughness,178 healing and 178 vitality

- ele loses 178 vitality and 178 healing

- engi loses 178 vitality and 178 power(from explosives)

- everyone loses might duration
So basically you lose condi damage, you lose tankyness, all you gain is a lousy 122 power. Except for engi, engi loses power and condi dmg and gains 122 thoughness and 122 healing

And you STILL say that it was a buff ?

Lordrosicky you fail at math, 100% of the stats coming from the amulet /w celestial means that you lose 178 points in 4 stats (the traitlines where you had grandmaster) and gain 122 in the remaining 6 stats (not accounting for stuff like boon duration or condi duration).

Your point that " If you reduce the % advantage of celestial over other amulets you do not nerf it compared to what it was. Because you didnt used to get all your stats from celestial." is invalid.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Morwath.9817:

Celestial lost a bit tankiness and got more damage. I wouldn’t call that a buff.

A celestial spec now has a bigger % advantage over all other amulets than before. This is maths not your opinion.

uuh no, you could get 300 from traitline + 438 from amulet = 738 total

not you can only get 560 from amulet

MarkPhilips.5169:

They changed berserk and valkyrie switched from toughness to vitality losing healing pow?

They changed the pvp amulets to have the same stat combo as the pve amulets, berserker and valkyrie have the same stat combo in pve and pvp now.

The old berserker pvp amulet is now marauder amulet, the old valkyrie is now crusader amulet.

Intresting, it looks like the missing stats from traitlines are being amply compensated by amulets, not sure how this is going to play out for classes with low base vitality but still, this opens a lot of options.

@foste.3098
Jewels never were that big of a change, the only notable one was the berserker jewel due to 5% crit damage and that was before the introduction of ferocity.
Anyway let’s assume jewels are reintroduced and they factor for 20% of your stats:

+ makes it possible to pick more stat combinations
+ could open up new possibilities for low base hp classes
- promotes the false idea that spvp is about minmaxing stats
- makes it slightly more complex to change builds

Not sure about that, let’s see if other readers can find out other + or -

It’s already there, it’s called Champion Brawler and it’s awarded for winning 10k of ranked games

mmh i think engis will come out on top even against PU mesmers btw, 8 seconds of revealed are a lot

StickerHappy.8052:

EremiteAngel.9765:

StickerHappy.8052:

What the … is wrong with the OP?

You are clearly flamebaiting. I see a lot of your threads like this. pathetic.

I’m sorry if i offended u in some way. But this thread is an honest thread i made to see the views of the comunity on who will be king of the hill come patch day.
If u really want to see what flame baiting is, go look at the player made wvw forums. Tat is real flame baiting

Really? Your thread in the mesmer forum just got deleted. lol. King of the hill? Do we have a gamemode like that?

We have dueling rooms called king of the hill where players are supposed to fight using tpvp roaming builds.

There are rules enforced by the room admins to avoid tanky classes but sometimes you still see builds tailored exclusively for dueling, it’s kinda against the point of playing a realistic duel but w/e, at least it’s helpful to learn more about mechanics and stuff.

Tissitra.4153:

engis being able to reduce the duration of their heal by half when using medkit (there is a trait that resets cooldown on the next toolbelt skill after you evade)

That trait has 20s of cd, you won’t be able to use it efficiently on Bandage Self (16s cd), you are better off using it on your f5 (double moa ? double bandage drop ? quadruple orbital strike ?).

It also contends its spot with gadgeteer and gadgeteer basically gives you 50% cd reduction on slick shoes + an overcharge (no idea what the overcharge does but it’s probably going to be op like double duration or smthing)

-removed- i misread the cd reduction of master of corruptions

Well getting trash talked / ostracized / frowned upon comes with the whole ranger package.

Pve wise rangers still get insta kicked uncomfortably often before even having the chance to say “spiritspotter”.

In wvwvw rangers aren’t accepted in closed raids, they take on the thankless role of sniping like a stray wolf exiled from his pack that can only follow the pack from afar and eat those few carrions that the pack doesn’t trample over.

In spvp rangers come last at the condition game, their niche is 1800 range pressure but then again 3 berserker classes out of 4 get access to one or more 1200 range teleport and guess what is the one berserker user without teleports ? You guess it, it’s ranger.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Future PvP teams would naturally replace thieves with mesmers.

I don’t see that happening anytime soon, bar at all.

i missed this change, was it on the same page as the trait changes ?

mistsim.2748:

BW brings too much to teamfights. it’s probably the most significant utility the ranger will have. 2s aoe taunt on a 15s CD cant really be dismissed, it makes too much of a difference. it’s not any different from an earthshaker.

the other thing is on s/t + a/d, quickdraw seems kind of wasted. at best, it’s a little bit of burst, or an extra evade a little sooner. tbh id rather have an aoe taunt and a pet that nukes hard.

I was thinking about shortbow + s/d (teamfight oriented build) to take advantage of the cd reduction with shortbow #5 or #2 now that poison stacks in intensity.

I agree with you though, if the taunt is istant and has decent radius (maybe 600 radius like a shout) it will be the superior team fight option.

man come on mesmers got way more than thieves this time.
damage: both classes got their damage buffed
utilities: both classes got some new useful side effects to play with
survival: THIS is where the difference is, mesmer can now pick 6 into illusions and stop dying to conditions.

btw what class do you think will be the first to get hit by the nerfhammer post trait changes ?
I put my money on necro, i think consume condition only got half the ride the lighting treatement, time to bring up that cd to fortyfive seconds.

I disagree with your d/p prediction, in my opinion thieves are better off picking trickery + 1 defensive traitline + 1 offensive traitline. Putting both deadly arts and critical strikes in the same build looks too extreme even for a thief.

Longbow power ranger starts to look seriously viable now

@mistsim.2748 you miss out too much without skirmishing, 33% bleeding damage and 66% reduced cooldown beat 2s of taunt any day.

Checked some of your predictions (will finish checking the rest now), there are a couple of trait decisions i disagree with but overall i would pick the same traitlines.
50% reduced recharge on slick shoes looks really strong on paper, can’t really know if it will beat recharging 1 toolbelt skill every 20 seconds though _

lifesteal necro sounds stupid on paper but it’s a huge hp sponge in 1v1, even more now that their lifesteal will heal them through deathshroud.
Prepare to kneel before your new necro overlords.

rchu.8945:

still cant compete against Thief for a meta spot, so Mesmer remains borderline irrelevant. Thief’s buffs just made them even better at its role, and more effective in killing Mesmers.

TL;DR version → This is why i say mesmers gained more than thieves: thieves went from 7 power 7 defense to 8 power 8 defense, mesmers went from 7 power 4 defense to 8 power 6 defense. (thieves still on top but mesmers gained more overall)

predicted tournament thief builds -> 6 0 0 6 6 s/d and 6 0 6 0 6 d/p
predicted 1v1 room troll build -> 0 0 6 6 6 with 50% of the damage coming from fire/air combo.

Ignoring the king of the hill build (which may or may not see actual tournament play depending on how the meta developes) nothing drastically changed for thieves, there were some cool additions, sure, but it’s nothing completely new, just an improvement over what was already there. Thieves just got better at their job but guess what ? They already were the best at their job.

Mesmers on the other hand received a lot of much needed love, 6 domination 6 dueling got a flat buff to damage output. Not only that but you also get to choose between blind on shatter or 1.5s of reflection after evasion (both very helpful in a lot of matchups, including vs thieves).
After that you could go 6 chaos for chaotic interruption +regen/protection minors, 6 inspiration for condition hate +extra sustain, 6 illusions for an extra condition boost on your shatters.

Diehard mesmer purists will probably play 6 6 0 0 6 and even with such an extreme build they will survive better than current mesmers thanks to the new traits in domination.

6 into chaos could be used in place of confounding suggestions in some weird build without domination.

But the build that i predict will be most popular is 6 6 0 6 0, maxed inspiration will turn some matchups around, tournament mesmers will no longer die from a single pry bar/incendiary powder/weapon swap combo, they will be able to cleanse conditions, gain access to another source of healing outside of ether feast and top it off with a bit of additional party support.

This is why i say mesmers received more than thieves this time around, thieves went from 7 power 7 defense to 8 power 8 defense, mesmers went from 7 power 4 defense to 8 power 6 defense.

mistsim.2748:

Ezeriel.9574:

8. Reaper. Failed at almost everything. Necros needed mobility, group buffs, and better melee cleave. 1 out of 3 is bad.
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that’s not what necros needed at all. they needed more sustain and more debuffs, and that’s what they got. mobility and group buffs – youre thinking of other professions; likely druid will come in this flavor.

TL;DR version → your judgement is probably clouded by a lack of experience, you can see a more detailed summary below.

I’d like to know what you are basing this off.
Regarding tpvp necros suffer from having to play both spectral walk and the summoned wurm to reposition effectively.
Necros never played the role of bruisers, their survival ultimately came from condition hate and positioning.

You say necromancers needed more sustain but that is inaccurate, what you are talking about is a new way to play the necro that makes proper use of sustain. At the moment hps (healing per second) is not a key element to necro survival because necros lack the tools to make use of it.

Mind my words, i too would like to see a bruiser necro and the expansion will hopefully achieve that but then again what will you do with the extra tankiness if you take ages to move between capture points ?

Moving on, how can you say that necros needed more group debuffs ?
More group debuffs are nice, look at the unblockable aoe shout that makes your attacks unblockable and turns 2 boons into vulnerability, that’s a nice addition, but was it needed ? I mean more is always nice but this isn’t something crucial to necros, if you played this game for a while you can’t honestly say that a point in the necro agenda was to gain more debuffs.

Pve argument ? You say necros didn’t need more group utility or meele cleeve ? This is plain wrong.