Guild Wars 2

The Mechanic.3567:

MyPuppy.8970:

I’d +1 to kill the bunker at home, and let the two tryhard go 4v3 mid.

just to clarify you would 3v1 at home? seems like something ive been yelled at for doing before but alright:) ill keep that in mind next time. thanks.

Just get used to getting yelled at on thief….even if you make the right choice…. people will still yell at you. You will get yelled at by people who know what they are doing, you will get yelled at by people who think they know what they are doing and you will get yelled at by people who have no idea what they are doing.

That’s GW2 PvP

Cal Cohen.3527:

Loop.8106:

Cal Cohen.3527:

Loop.8106:

Apparently placements doesnt count leavers. Had a fantastic 3v5 game from start to finish that still counted towards a loss.

The game still shows as a loss in the UI but your rating is unaffected.

I did get an extra loss on the placement UI and it did count towards the 10 games.

Right. The UI shows the game as a loss, but your rating was unaffected. Usually when a teammate leaves the match you see the 0 for your rating change after the game ends. During placements your rating isn’t visible yet so you don’t see the 0, but that same result happens.

So it doesn’t affect your rating, but it counts as a placement game? That makes no sense. You essentially lose your ability to place higher because someone left a match?

LeRoy.3754:

I’m not sure why anyone wouldn’t take this list seriously.

First of all, the title clearly states that is a ratings list run by the GPA, full title being the Guild Wars 2 PvP Players Association, which is a community driven, Arena net supported project, that was aimed at increasing competition amongst players, and benefitting the game mode.

Obviously, as this is the first power rankings released, it needs some work, on that I think we can all agree, however the algorithm used to calculate ratings is extremely accurate, and draws it’s conclusions from multiple different aspects of the PvP game mode.

As far as the GPA itself is concerned, they have worked on several different tournaments and leagues within the game, and been successful in bringing the PvP community closer and the game mode more enjoyable.

Now in light of recent scandals regarding the NA PvP scene, the GPA did release a statement declaring that they had nothing to do with the AT’s, the buying/selling of any tournaments or rewards in any way, and in fact even barred any of their members from participating in these Automated Tournaments. They are as far from this scandal as they can be, and I am completely assured of their integrity regarding these ratings, as should everyone else.

For anyone who is unfamiliar with the Players on this list, you most likely just haven’t been paying attention to the latest developments within the most recent PvP season; now that is no slight towards your person, I completely understand, as I myself have trouble leaving the wonderful and challenging PvE content that this game offers. However, this list is current, and extremely accurate (I refer you again to the extensive algorithm used in this process) and even updates itself regularly to mirror any significant changes to the ratings themselves.

Hopefully everyone can now be on the same page regarding this list, as it only seeks to further the competitive and sportsmanlike nature of the NA PvP scene, in the current year of 2017. I hope you all have a wonderful day, and don’t forget to follow the GPA on twitter!

Oh….it’s super cereal…can confurm

Heapheaus.5238:

Finally, a list we can all agree on.

Finally, the real story is told. Am relieved.

LoL, this is exactly why Gw2 is not a competitive esport. Also if I beat players on this list do I get to be on it

Gaiz….burn guard is FIINNNNNEEE….in fact…I think it needs a buff….nobody plays it in higher tiers….since nobody plays it in ESL its fiinne

Where’s the proof? I mean beef…..I mean…oh snap…..

Ben Phongluangtham.1065:

I mentioned this in the AMA, may as well repeat it here. For a multitude of reasons, balance being just one, we don’t have any plans on doing a 2v2 (or 3v3) queue.

We’ve been talking about doing special tournaments on occasion. 2v2 would be one option for a special tournament.

That’s fine, just bring back TDM, just don’t give us that crap shoot Courtyard map and implement TDM properly with rounds so you don’t have spawn camping. TDM is much easier for people to learn to play then proper rotations on a conquest map.

Faux Play.6104:

MasterD.4790:

Faux Play.6104:

MasterD.4790:

Faux Play.6104:

MasterD.4790:

Saiyan.1704:

Just make a signature that says, “There’s no proof” and just silently quote people who reply to you.

Such a redundant thread..

No man…a 5 man pvp team that plays all the time….got randomly beat by some PvE ppl with no achieves or titles…like that happens all the time. One time….53 walk-on’s defeated the Patriots…. lol

Or it could be alt/new accounts purchased for the AT. there hasn’t been any proof posted that the accounts were owned by PVE n00bs.

Sure could be, could also be 5 unicorns signed up for free accounts and played all core builds and spit rainbows while dodging…who knows no proof lol. Ok, fair enough, lets play the other side, what is the alternative that happened? Another top tier team decided to all get alt accounts and play in the AT to troll everyone? lol

Could have been euros. Based on the pro league results there are quite a few people that should be able to win an AT against an American draw that didn’t have their best players in it.

Ok, fair enough, could be an EU team playing on NA accounts. Even though they have their own AT’s, most of their top guys streamed their AT’s and they’d be playing with a ping that would be hard to fairly compete against top NA players. This makes more sense then an NA team trolling the NA AT?

The same ping issue would apply if you are playing through a VPN in the us. You would have to access a VPN through your network, then then from the VPN exit and go to the servers.

Until the accounts are proven to be active PVE players that can’t PVP it could be a lot of things. If any of the “banned” players had an inactive alt account or bought a new copy of the game, would they have been prevented from entering the AT? Does dishonor even keep you from entering the AT?

See this is where you are wrong, it can’t be a lot of things. What is the alternative? A bunch of pvp players just happened to get together and beat a top tier team? Let’s rule out PvE players. Did 5 random platinum+ pvp players all get together and beat at a top team? Is this what you are suggesting as the alternative? Otherwise, no other situation makes a ton of sense….did 5 top 250 players get together and beat them? Maybe, possibly, but without practice etc? It just seems unlikely.

Faux Play.6104:

MasterD.4790:

Faux Play.6104:

MasterD.4790:

Saiyan.1704:

Just make a signature that says, “There’s no proof” and just silently quote people who reply to you.

Such a redundant thread..

No man…a 5 man pvp team that plays all the time….got randomly beat by some PvE ppl with no achieves or titles…like that happens all the time. One time….53 walk-on’s defeated the Patriots…. lol

Or it could be alt/new accounts purchased for the AT. there hasn’t been any proof posted that the accounts were owned by PVE n00bs.

Sure could be, could also be 5 unicorns signed up for free accounts and played all core builds and spit rainbows while dodging…who knows no proof lol. Ok, fair enough, lets play the other side, what is the alternative that happened? Another top tier team decided to all get alt accounts and play in the AT to troll everyone? lol

Could have been euros. Based on the pro league results there are quite a few people that should be able to win an AT against an American draw that didn’t have their best players in it.

Ok, fair enough, could be an EU team playing on NA accounts. Even though they have their own AT’s, most of their top guys streamed their AT’s and they’d be playing with a ping that would be hard to fairly compete against top NA players. This makes more sense then an NA team trolling the NA AT?

Faux Play.6104:

MasterD.4790:

Saiyan.1704:

Just make a signature that says, “There’s no proof” and just silently quote people who reply to you.

Such a redundant thread..

No man…a 5 man pvp team that plays all the time….got randomly beat by some PvE ppl with no achieves or titles…like that happens all the time. One time….53 walk-on’s defeated the Patriots…. lol

Or it could be alt/new accounts purchased for the AT. there hasn’t been any proof posted that the accounts were owned by PVE n00bs.

Sure could be, could also be 5 unicorns signed up for free accounts and played all core builds and spit rainbows while dodging…who knows no proof lol. Ok, fair enough, lets play the other side, what is the alternative that happened? Another top tier team decided to all get alt accounts and play in the AT to troll everyone? lol

Saiyan.1704:

Just make a signature that says, “There’s no proof” and just silently quote people who reply to you.

Such a redundant thread..

No man…a 5 man pvp team that plays all the time….got randomly beat by some PvE ppl with no achieves or titles…like that happens all the time. One time….53 walk-on’s defeated the Patriots…. lol

Sly.9518:

Skittledness.5106:

Since my earlier thread was removed for unknown reasons I will post again the vod to see for youself. Even if you don’t have my experience and know instantly that it was them u can see that they were running basically the same comp instead of with a guard who was asking for vpns 10hr earlier(on top of that almost no one but that team runs necromancer as well)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/238051255623090177/338426343328841729/Capture.PNG ^the guardian who subbed
Everybody in the community knows it and is pleading for anet to do something to make sure these ats cannot be bought , whether or not they want to punish and proof the boosted players is up to them. I cannot release the names of the players on the forums but they had 1 sub and it was a very well named DH whos been banned from ranked que and leaderboard for previous infractions. So he dodging a ban on top of the other shenanigans.

People want to know that the people who won the rewards are actually the players who participated if otherwise it defaces the entire competition.

My twitch vod here https://www.twitch.tv/videos/161186383

Anet has the tools to investigate(for one they know what computer they were using and they could just see that the same computer played on those 2 accounts).

People like dafran in OW get banned just for throwing in ranked que nowhere near recklessness of boosting in a popular tourney,if anet doesn’t do anything against the 10 players involved than they just don’t care, which honestly could be the case.

Lulz that VoD only shows you got beat and again it’s not hard to change a Discord nickname to whatever you want it to be. So again show the actual proof that there was cheating you say that you have Definitive hard evidence but won’t show it….. hmm. I wonder why that is? Maybe because it’s imaginary most likely. Lulz.

But it’s always fun to see you posting the video of you losing over and over claiming cheaters!

Lulz

Again where is your proof?

It’s actually hysterical to watch you try to defend the abuser’s and say Lulz over and over…..“If the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit!!”

I watch this guy and have been learning from him!

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/161588664

Ithilwen.1529:

Forgiving builds are the solution, not the problem. PvP is cruising over the shoal because of matchmaking.

Oh and btw, I’m playing right now on a pure vanilla PU Mesmer build that is fairly successful. People expect the “meta” moves but Mesmer is about unexpected and deceptive.

You say fairly successful….but aren’t you the one complaining about like a 60 game losing streak? Is that really successful?…

Pyriall.1683:

Evan Lesh.3295:

I’ll just leave this here:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Matchmaking_Algorithm

Evan, I’m going to leave this right here…WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO ALLOW DOUBLE DUO QUEUE VS ALL SOLO? Fix that bull crap already. Just finished a match with double duo queue with one duo being two top twenty players and people on my team still doing placements matches. What is wrong with you people and your crappy system?

Matchmaking working as intended

Kokoro.8437:

Is ithilwen really complaining about how bad players cannot win vs good players?

And how that is somehow “unfair?”

What is really unfair is that AT’s don’t happen often enough and by the time they do happen i’m too drunk to play in them

Ralkuth.1456:

Maybe you should watch Sindrener since he has a lot of videos on D/P Thief. He has a lot of small techniques useful anywhere, and gives a lot of tips vocally on how to rotate as Thief. Of course, he is also one of the best Thieves mechanically which you can learn a lot from.

Don’t create your own build, use the meta D/P build first to learn why it works. Trickery grants you a 20.75 second Steal CD, and landing Steal grants you a lot of advantages: 2 initiative, daze, stolen item, vigor, fury etc. Deadly Arts has traits that help secure kills, and Improvisation can actually reset utility CDs to give you an edge.

If you’re not understanding what you’re doing, just randomly playing won’t get you anywhere but frustration. Sorry that quite a few Thieves tend to be egoists, but you also have to know that no one has responsibility to teach you.

Some tips about your playstyle (I’m not a good Thief, rarely play the class):

You are the fastest +1 roamer. Look for existing even fights, focus on a target to down them quickly and leave for the next fight. You seek to unbalance fights as much as you can.

Your spike is mostly Backstab Steals, with interrupts from Steal daze and Pistol 4 proccing Pulmonary Impact to supplement your damage. Your Dagger autos are also very good damage, so while you are chasing a target with Dagger 3/on top of them with Pistol 4 fishing for Headshot interrupts, try to get a few swings in.

Stow your weapon, make it a habit. You can interrupt other actions so that you can get Headshots off when you need it RIGHT NOW instead of waiting for e.g. a Dagger auto to finish. You should also stow, because you don’t want enemy Thieves to proc interrupt PI on you unnecessarily.

Basi Venom allows your otherwise blockable attacks to go through… blocks. Such as a Guard/Warrior using their blocks and you need that Steal now. Basi Steal will allow your Steal to go through.

You achieve your speed by memorizing port spots and reaching them with Shortbow 5. You can maintain permanent swiftness easily. You can disengage with your stealth and mobility, there is no need to die in fights.

Watch enemy Thief. You are racing against them to perform +1s, and you are also in position to stop them from successfully performing +1s. Watch minimap and be aware of where an enemy Thief can be.

This is great info… another thing I like to do is combo a heartseeker with the steal backstab combo, if you hs and steal right before the hs will land you can combo it with backstab for big damage, that’s probably how the other thiefs are bursting you down faster.

I actually think a better solution is to reduce the condi damage over all, but allow condi’s to crit and then provide amulets that have condi dmg and +crit so it takes 2 stat groups to make condi strong, similar to the power builds.

Kythan Myr.4719:

Something needs to be done regarding the new players, Anet. While I welcome the new players most clearly have no idea about the basics and they can easily be discouraged from returning.

I find it sad when you see that player in the match who is lost making dumb mistakes and then someone calls them out on team chat. I’ve had many a chat lately with new players who are frustrated about not knowing what to do. Often they just run with the group and think it’s deathmatch and don’t even understand the strategy behind conquest. They understand that they may have cost the match and don’t return.

I know that us vets, who stuck it out, learned through trial and error but then again that system isn’t meant for everyone. If you want to keep a steady flow of new players into this game mode something needs to be done to teach the basics. One method could be bringing back practice arena and requiring 25 matches before they can do unranked. I know that you can practice through custom, but that’s not obvious for these players. Maybe allowing players to designate themselves as PvP mentors through the commander system would help new players to identify those who are willing to teach and help. No idea how complicated that would be, but just an idea.

I think the commander thing / mentor thing is a great idea. It seems like a fairly easy technical implementation that could really help guide new players looking to learn.

Pecar.1236:

0.5% per Unique. boon not 0.5% per each boon.

Are you sure? It doesn’t not say unique boon in the description…..https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sigil_of_Enhancement

I am curious about this too, will test later though….

apharma.3741:

bluri.2653:

Make backstab down targets 50% chance

I feel this is a little biased so I propose mesmer confusion should do double damage as they’re the masters of misdirection.

Agreed with this….it should also make the target wander in a circle in a confused state as well!

Add Sigil of Death – Removes 100% player HP on hit (unblock-able)

First one to land a clean hit wins

Cynz.9437:

JusticeRetroHunter.7684:

haha. I’m the type of person to join the losing teams because i enjoy trying to overcome challenges.

Some people just get a kick out of stomping others…I just don’t see the fun in that.

LoL same. The only problem is that once you start to win too much, everyone starts to join your team so it gets boring very fast.

As far as topic goes, i don’t think HJ really needs penalty. It is a playground for people to mess around, trying out builds/classes etc. If you want more controlled environment, queue for unranked/ranked.

I thought hot join wuz #SrsBizness…. am so disappointed now

Best way to play this game….casual and for fun!!

SarahGobbi.2319:

My character is a Thief and every time I go up against a Warrior, or Guardian they feel like a raid boss.

Guardian- Non stop blocking, heals, and if I try to escape they just teleport to me and kill me.

Warrior- Non stop healing, invulnerability, and kills me in 2 seconds.

Should I just avoid these two classes?

These can be difficult classes for a thief to play against. However, there are things you can do to give yourself a fighting chance. First, you have to understand that both classes have access to a lot of damage mitigation and passive defensive abilities, so on thief you will be doing a lot of kiting, dodging and blinding to avoid their attacks until they use all of their cool downs.

Use a lot of blinding and if you are using pistol a lot of black powder to keep blinds up. After they use their cool downs, then work on bursting them down. This all easier said then done and requires you not to make many if any mistakes

Gaile Gray.6029:

atheria.2837:

When WvW “tiers” are respected again, if ever, by Anet and the manual glicko additions and subtractions stop, then this type of posting will be few and very far between compared to now.

So, keeping to the topic of this thread, and not the side comments being expressed, you’re essentially saying, “We will post reasonably about other players and servers/worlds once the devs [do XX or YY]?”

The topic — again — is player-to-player conversations. With that in mind, whatever parameters you set for improved forum member behavior towards one another cannot be fulfilled by ArenaNet but only by forum members themselves.

He’s saying people would stop complaining as much (granted they will always complain), but a lot of the problem is Anet’s in ability to gauge feedback appropriately and adjust accordingly. Just ignoring the feedback is not a viable answer in any corporate environment.

Top notch dev team…all over it…lol…

Yes I have the same, this is AWFUL…..

Gaile Gray.6029:

Vermillion.4061:

Most of the players in WvW are just upset that nothing has really happened in months and we feel like we’ve been ignored.

We just want to see what is actually going on behind the scenes with WvW, maybe given some DevBlog update style stuff since you’ve been mostly silent on what is changing and being worked on.

Different companies communicate in different ways and sometimes the process evolves over the years. Mike O’Brien explained how we choose to communicate in this forum post a few years ago. What he said was, “We’ve set a clear policy in the past year: we don’t talk speculatively about future development. We don’t want to string you along. Creating fun is an uncertain business: sometimes things work out and sometimes they don’t; sometimes we go back to the drawing board over and over before we get something right. If we make optimistic promises and then can’t deliver on them, everyone suffers. So when we attend a trade show or give an interview, we’re there to talk about what we’re getting ready to ship, not to speculate on what we might ship someday.”

I understand that some players would prefer a different manner of communication. I wanted to share the comments above to show that silence does not point to inaction or neglect or indifference.

I think people understand what decision was made about not talking about future software development until you have already worked on it. The problem is this is counter-intuitive to software design and industry standards.

I am the head of IT at my company and I could most definitely not ignore serious feedback about our services or product and then go radio silent until we were halfway done. This is a serious issue especially since the direction of development over the years has geared towards continuous integration, constant innovation and being proactive about communication with the product owners and/or client and getting constant feedback so that problems can be corrected early and often. Everything about the choice here is counter intuitive to actually addressing the problem. Precisely because you do not engage in enough back and forth feedback and make small iterative changes where you can quickly gain feedback and adjust what you’ve done to match the needs of the customer, you go long periods of time building what you guys think is the issue, then deploy it and half of it works and half of it does not. Then we get some minor input and then you go radio silent for another 6 months. Seems to just be an incredibly broken process and one IMO that should be re-evaluated.

Pyriall.1683:

On a scale of 1-10, how does everyone rate their own personal skills in the game?

I’m a solid 2-3…depending on day and level of intoxication

Necro is OP….one time I played necro…and even chuck norris gave me a high five

Hambow is still best bow

They should just remove the thief class….. nothing but no skilled cracker jack joker’s play that class!

Hmmm….maybe we should form a #HotJoinHeroez group May the players of 001 and 100 unite lol

~Gamadorn

Xtinct.7031:

Look, the rework on the rewards was aweful. The matchmaking system got worse (maybe due to pop drop), not better. Why didn’t many of you just boycott season 6 all together till anet addresses a few issues related to its changes.

Are people playing this season?

Am hotjoin hero

~Gamadorn

Evan Lesh.3295:

Rating volatility goes down as you play. Your friend as played 3 times as many games as you this season.

This is the issue, because you queue placement games with people who are already placed. It means, people should wait to do placement games until everyone else’s volatility has settled down to where it should….then duo queue for placement games so you end up really high on the leader board….then just play once every few days.

Since in the beginning, everyone’s volatility will be high and playing placement game’s is like playing Russian Roulette and hoping RNGesus is on your side.

Can confirm!! Wuz 28 when game came out….am going to be 32 next week…..never was good at this game….lol…so its true

~Gamadorn

The thief should rotate depending on what the person at your far or their home node does. Usually after capping home, that person will rotate into the mid fight. If a thief see’s this, they should immediately decap far to force that person back to the node to stand on it and out of the mid fight, where hopefully your guy rotates mid from home and the thief rejoins the fight making it 5v4 mid and an easy win…..

I play Chrono main and I can say it’s still pretty broken. However, as Crowley mentioned a good DH can give you it trouble, but if you play carefully and use CD’s properly (excluding double moa because in a 1v1 thats lame) you should be able to take a DH.

The one counter I have found is a thief running bound. If they play cautiously and use the mesmer steal that gives them boons and regen, they basically can jump in burst and then perma stealth, eventually they will get you down if they are patient.

A good scrapper will also be very tough to beat, but if you’re reapplying condi’s fast enough they will go down eventually.

Norbe.7630:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Norbe.7630:

i one thought of creating a thread here called wall of shame
so everyone can post vids there for their hacking sightings
….but hackers get violent reaction so i didnt created that thread lol

Many reports are false, either on purpose cos the reporting player is seeing too much red, or he has no clue what he just saw. Anet should ban confirmed hackers and also anyone who reports everyone left and right. The latter would add plenty of names to your wall of shame.

30 seconds to mars, invulnerability mode (still unsolved)
https://youtu.be/jhbjG8lOKao?t=44

That’s actually common, if you watch closely you jump down it looks to you like you knocked him away but the server didn’t register that. The reality is that he is actually still back at the wall where you jumped down but your client is showing him in a different spot, if you had cleaved back at the wall he would have died. This is evidenced in the video when they rez him and he appears back at the wall not where your screen shows him.

This is a great timeline! Hopefully it can help put things in perspective for everyone!

Gamadorn.2670

Stuck!! Halp!!

Gamadorn.2670

We are stuck in Legacy of the awesome fire!!!

Evan Lesh.3295:

Why start people at the average MMR? Because that’s where most players belong. It is the most accurate rating for the majority of players. For every player we start with a lower rating that needs it, there is a skilled player that has to fight their way out.

No they do not. Take any player who has never PvP’d and throw them in PvP and the average player will probably trash them, let alone someone who is brand new to the entire game. They don’t know the right builds, even if they have the ability to play at a decent level, until they at least get some experience in what the heck is going on. They don’t know rotations, builds etc. They are NOT average. It’s a wonder that you guys can even develop for your own game sometimes…

Kitiara.2706:

rchu.8945:

Melanion.4892:

Hi folks.

I’m not sure how many of you are aware, but Anet is actually developing things for wvw. The fact that we’ve heard nothing about it is one things, but I’m here to (maybe) stir up some drama about a different aspect of this.

Anet has been inviting guilds to participate in the ‘beta’ or whatever you’d call it for WvW changes. However, of the 2 guilds I know that were invited, 1 still plays the game and it is a PvE guild. The WvW guild that I know has been invited died almost half a year ago and few of its members still play.

HOW IS THIS A THING THAT IS HAPPENING? What part of game development has its developers draw a group to test it from outside the population currently playing the content? I get maybe drawing in a few PvE folks to test things, but for the most part, when it comes to a WvW update, why do you not get actual (and current) WvW players to test things? We know the kind of kitten that went down if EotM and the desert borderlands. If Anet honestly thinks that they can pull the same kitten and get a better result, I feel even more sorry for the state of this game.

ROFL.

That’s the freaking problem, Anet invited a “PVE” (yes, read it again, PVE) guild to test the upcoming changes that they want to put into WvW. Do I need to point out what is wrong with that approach? Do we need more PvE events in WvW?

Wheres the proof?

Honestly…..at this point…proof is no longer required for kitten like this lol

Repeatedly Anet has done this EXACT same thing EVERY TIME they have tested anything new for WvW. With the type of changes and the number of times they have ignored feedback and/or did the same thing with previous updates like EOTM….I am more likely to believe this than not believe it at this point. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior….judging from past behavior this would be right in line with everything they have done. So, IMO, without having any “dev” confirm it (which they won’t until the very end) I would be inclined to believe it more than not at this point.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Vieux P.1238:

I guess the point that op’s is trying to make is that if a game mode dont work, dont be afraid to pull it out. Spending money to fix something that’s never gonna work is just wasteful.

So are you insinuating that conquest don’t work?? 7+ millions people play thi game, and only the op and 10 others (less than 50 for sure) have complained about conquest. So, what are you getting at?

Conquest as a game mode sucks. Sure some people enjoy it. I still play PvP in this game because I enjoy the combat and fighting….I do not enjoy the conquest game mode. If they had a properly setup TDM in sPvP and (and not that court yard BS) it would be much more enjoyable.

onoclea.5319:

So I just saw this video linked in a different thread..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bd0UWUr6l0

And I have to ask, what happened to what you learned, or are all these devs gone now?
I watch the enthusiasm and excitement these devs had after their adopt a dev experience and then you look at the state of wvw today, total lack of interest, total lack of understanding.

How does it get any better than what wvw used to be in GW2? Dynamic game play depending on tactics not gimmicks. Desert bl map could work, if it were one borderland, not all three. Wouldn’t it make sense that one map is alpine, one desert one…maybe coastal? or use the oasis event, ditch it first off, and use that portion of the map to make the third type of borderland. Just a suggestion.

That’s only one issue though. Before devs do anything with wvw they need to implement adopt a dev again so they can see whats happening in wvw. Right now devs are hiding in towers behind siege, banners and airstrikes. Get out of the tower and see what you’ve done to the game.

I did not see this link before…the fact they have this experience and STILL miss the mark…holy poop…the incompetence level is over 9000

BlueBoy.1236:

Argos Helios.4965:

Honestly if Anet reverted stability in WvW it would reduce the toxicity and lack of faith in these forums by 83%.

But it would bring the old problem back again. Whoever can maintain perma stab will get the upper hand aka the heavy frontline meta.

The only solution I can think of for this stab problem is separating skills between wvw, pvp and pve. Or making someone’s immune to cc for a few secs after casting stunbreaker

What OLD problem?! There was never an old problem, nor was stability EVER a thing that we asked for to be nerfed…

Yes, whoever can coordinate and maintain permastab SHOULD have an advantage…its called COORDINATION….

Hexalot.8194:

MasterD.4790:

Hexalot.8194:

gennyt.3428:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

We’ve avoided adding this feature because we don’t believe it would be healthy for WvW. While we can appreciate why some players would want a feature like this, lots of other players only engage in WvW when, upon entering a WvW map, immediately see a commander icon to follow.
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Guilds have had private raids for years, yet there were always public raids as well because people play the mode differently and guild runs are very much a part of the WvWvW fabric. The same guild raids would coordinate with public tags and other private groups and there was a player made ecosystem.

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We try and avoid adding features that can be used to intentionally exclude other players.

Isn’t the very idea of a guild exclusive, why have guilds at all then? Speaking of exclusivity, see the stuff added with HoT.

Azazel.5908:

Telling people not to play as they want (meaning, guilds asking players to leave) must be one the worst ideas I have ever seen getting support around here… What the hell…
I’m ALL for not implementing such a feature.
A lot of people on joining a WvW map will quickly leave it if they find no commander tags on the maps (specially now with low populations). Implementing such feature would make things EVEN WORSE.
Also, is borderline absurd that players are being excluded from game play because some “elitists” think they are the game mode’s owners…
If you want your tagless squad, just ask your squad leader to drop it and just rejoin.
There MUST BE a penalty (a.k.a not having a tag for themselves) for people who do this, otherwise in no time EVERYONE would do it, calling all sorts of “reasons” to justify it.
So NO for invisible tags.

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Guild runs aren’t the issue here because they’ve always been a part of WvWvW. I believe the issue is the mode is becoming less and less appealing to players for many reasons so public raids are dwindling because many times, those who want to tag up no longer see the value in it (or have quit) or they just can no longer get a decent force going. Also guild runs aren’t an implication that they own the mode, do what you want, they ask that you not actively follow and respect that they’d prefer to run as a group instead of being a beacon for every random person on a given map and having to manage that as some people actually do not enjoy this kind of play. Are some rude about it? Yes. And I don’t condone that, then again I don’t condone some of the abrasive attitudes of some pug commanders either.

Hexalot.8194:

Yep… some Guilds are the nicest people out there, the ones who make an effort to teach others WvW tactics, how to use team speak and so on, that in general contribute to a positive community on their servers. But then there is the other kind… the toxic kind (and I see a lot of their members posting in this very thread) where “it’s all about me”.

Guilds can have different goals and cultures, some have an open door policy and some are more restrictive in admission and are even tight knit, this has been the case in every MMO I’ve played. It’s not everybody’s job to educate you and I don’t know why you’d expect that. If your problem is that they’re not there for you, then the “it’s all about me” line is quite ironic.

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Eh… nobody educated me on how to play WvW. I educated myself via watching others play and in general just doing my own thing. Practice, practice makes perfect and all that blah. Nor do I think that it is the sworn duty of every Guild to educate every Pug that comes along. But there is nothing wrong with creating an environment where people don’t feel uncomfortable and unwanted on the map just because a bunch of morons who feel they own the borderlands due to having the largest guild comes along and wants to hog all the fights for themselves. And when people feel comfortable, chances are they pick up how to play the game on their own much like I did.

Let me put it another way. ANET clearly wants each player on every Server to be able to participate fully in just about everything WvW has to offer. So a guild gets together and are doing their raiding thing ?

No problem, have fun. But as long as your Raiding group decides to tag up and run around on the same Borderland that WE ALL PAID for, I personally feel that every casual, pug and “rally bot” out there has every right to follow you. Full stop. Chances are, we are all heading in the same direction anyway, which is to siege a keep or take part in an open world fight against another Zerg. And as stated by the Devs, “their policy” is for everyone to enjoy everything that WvW has to offer, and that apparently also includes following a Com, so to speak. You guys survived 3 years using “control T”. You won’t die if you have to continue for another three.

Yeah….and I guess everyone who is at your job makes the same amount is you because you all are equally skilled…..

The reality is, people in guilds tend to be like-minded individuals and want to play in their like minded way. Whether that is roaming, scouting, defending, zerg busting or pugmanding.

What you are saying…is basically screw all that….you HAVE to tag up if you want to play a certain way and anyone should play the way you want. That is the EXACT thinking that Anet has and is driving the game into the dirt.

People join guilds and/or groups because they are playing with people who think the same way and want to play a certain way. Everyone should be allowed to play the want without forcing someone to not play the way they want. I.E. a guild raid shouldn’t be REQUIRED to tag up…and you should be FORCED to play a certain build and join a guild….or to roam…or whatever…. the problem is anet keeps trying to force things instead of supporting what already exists…

Now you’ve lost me. Where did I say YOU HAVE to tag up ?

IF you want to play the way you want with people who think the same way you do, then don’t tag up. ANET is basically saying here that they brought commander tags into WvW so that EVERYONE benefits from their presence on the Map… not just select Guilds. If you don’t get what their aim is here, I don’t know what else to say…

Right that’s what I’m saying. They don’t right now, but if there was an option to tag up but not show it to everyone it would be a nice QoL improvement.

I know that was Ane’ts intent overall with the WvW game mode, but that’s not how it shook out in reality. This is the exact problem with Anet right now. They don’t understand how people are utilizing their own game modes.

I understand their aim, it is however, NOT how ALL people play WvW…if you don’t get that…I don’t know what to tell you.

You basically saying play all care bear happy go lucky everyone gets a long lets sing camp fire songs together. Not everyone enjoys that. I prefer to play with people who are competitive and at least somewhat serious about playing pvp at a high level, I don’t think that it’s being rude that I would like to play with those kinds of people and let people who want to be more casual play with their pugmander or with the people they want to play with. We both paid for this game and we are both entitled to play the way we want, for now, yes we all use the little target tag and don’t tag up unless we want to pugmand. MY POINT is that anet making this QoL change is not EXCLUDING anyone…we ALREADY do it now. It also isn’t MAKING anyone play together, so essentially adding this feature is just making life a little easier for people. There is literally NO GOOD REASON to not implement this feature. It’s already happening now, why not just be supportive instead of divisive?