Guild Wars 2

Hell no! Finally we have people queuing on builds they know how to play, not just what is the daily. First good thing Anet has done for pvp in a very long time.

Playing across two different accounts and on both NA & EU server for past couple of seasons, my experience has been that NA pvp is in big trouble.

I continue to play on NA cos that’s where most of friends are, but when I want to be serious, I play on EU.

Things that go bump in the night

Looking for Aussies or peeps in friendly time-zones to compete in pvp tournys.

Don’t care what your rating. Looking for players who genuinely want to compete, are willing to learn and know how to have fun.

Hit me up here or in game.

I’m from Australia and played on both EU and NA server. From my limited experience, I’ve observed the general standard of player is better on EU. For the time being, I think EU is managing to maintain a decent playerbase, unlike NA where players have left in droves.

The biggest difference I’ve noticed between the two servers is there is less grief/trolling/ragers on EU.

Can only speak from experience FWIW.

4…maybe. I know I play better when I can focus solely on what I’m doing and not my entire team.

+1 to OP. Can’t say anymore or I’ll be infracted again for speaking honestly.

My understanding (and I’m happy to be corrected) is that +/- is based on team avg mmr.

What is hurting the most currently is the too large mmr range of players on each team. I’ve played matches this season where the range has been t3 Gold to t1 Bronze.

@Ithilwen I am not unsympathetic to your frustration. You say the system needs to change? I don’t disagree, but…. It is the same system that I and every other pvp player work within. We all have a whinge from time to time. But I have never seen so many “complaint” posts from the one person about the same thing…“I can’t win”.

You say you have 50% winrate in Ranked, yet you are complaining about losses in Unranked.

If as you say, you have tried without success to make the desired amount of improvement and the system is truly as broken as you believe, maybe you should simply stop playing. At the very least stop plagerising your own complaint threads.

I’m maybe barely an average pvp player. The past 12mths I’ve worked my butt off trying to learn and improve. The thing that has helped me the most is playing other classes in pvp besides my main.

Before I take any class into pvp, I go out into pve with as close to a pvp build setup as I can. I’ll go up against Champs solo, simply I can see what CC works best. I spend hours figuring out what combos work best in what circumstances. Lots of experiements, trial & error. Then I go into Unranked to get rekt and then figure out why.

Now I main a Ranger and can run a decent Mesmer or Necro.

I can play a Thief, Rev or Warrior; but certainly not well enough for ranked. But I know them well enough to know what to look for when fighting.

For as long as I’ve been playing pvp, I have seen the OP complaining. I would hate to be as crass to say “l2p” or “git gud”. But after all this time, I would think the solution is obvious. Put less effort into forum posts and more effort into actually learning the game mode you choose to play.

Time of day & player population certainly have an effect. Like fishball and more than a few others, I play based in Australia. There is no prime time that matches my timezone.

These days I toggle between EU & NA server just to get a fair match.

BTW – On the NA (during off-peak) I’ve noticed if the match starts with a queue time under 2mins30sec it’s usually OK. Anything over 3mins, forget it; the mmr range could be >1000

I am a self-confessed masochist, which is what I equate playing gw2 pvp to these days. But I sure don’t want to see it gone. PvP is the best form of anger management EVER! Only wish Anet would make more of an effort.

“Lag” may not be the best choice of words, but is all I can think to describe the circumstance. For a skill like “Point Blank Shot” on Ranger, the cast time is almost instantaneous normally. That wasn’t the case when encountering this alleged bot player.

I play from Australia on both EU & NA server, I know what lag feels like. (Not that typically it is a problem at all.) It is not usually so selective as to only effect against one specific player.

Anyhoo, pvp is trash right now, we all know that. Thought it would be interesting to see if anyone else had encountered similar issues.

Interesting. I’ve never had it happen before. I would imagine it would be quite difficult to program a bot for gw2 pvp, way too many variables to consider.

A couple of games tonight I seen enemy players making allegations of “bots” on my (winning) team. At first I just brushed it off as general saltiness. Then I saw a comment of “you can tell it’s a bot cos of the lag spike when you get near them”. Oddly enough I came across a former teammate on an enemy team, whenever I come within range, my skills would all lag.

I’m not accusing anyone, but genuinely interested to know if this is a real thing. Can anyone shed light on this?

I call clickbait

Slightly off-topic but I hope you will understand the point.

When I was kid at school, we were graded A, B, C etc. When you competed at sports winners got a trophy or sash, losers got nothing. In my mid-twenties I decided to do some more study and discovered the tradition A, B, C grading had been replaced with a result of “Competent” or “Not Competent”. There was no room for extra credit for extra work, you could only be graded Competent or Not. Nowadays kids get a “participation” token just for turning up to sports.

With this lack of competition or measurement of skill, where is the incentive to improve?

This is kinda what we have going in Ranked pvp atm. You get reward pips simply for turning up. You don’t even have play the match, simply afk at base & you will get your “participation reward”.

Personally I think most urgent change required is for there to be a very real & clear difference between Ranked & Unranked. Ranked should be solely for the glory of being the best. Or for us mere mortals, the satisfaction of seeing improvement.

My 2cents FWIW

+1 to OP. Agree with comment it is a little like a band-aid fix when pvp is hemorrhaging…but, something needs to be done & fast.

I have haunting Snowden Drifts waiting for this event to spawn. Need only Hunter’s Bane to progress.

After doing a Google search, I see this has been a problem almost from release of Chuka & Champawat.

I play on both EU and NA servers. Last season I played on EU and it found in general there was less toxicity and better standard of play.

This season I started again on EU, but the queues were quite lengthy and matches lopsided. Play >30 matches with a large percentage being one-sided. Returned to NA server to compare.

In just under 40 matches I’ve seen faster queue times and more genuinely close matches.

Population is definitely down, from what I can EU has taken the biggest blow.

From reading through the comments I find my own issues have mostly been covered. My #1 issue with PvP right now is that afk & match manipulation is not being addressed.

Eg. if you have a dc during a match and you lose there is no rating loss. However if you have a dc during a placement match and lose it is still counted as a loss. With what appears to be high level of ragequitters these days, and the importance of placement matches; this to me demonstrates an inequitable playing field. And, it only gets worse as you play more.

Honestly I don’t see why team queue (or dynamic queue) couldn’t be an option alongside current queue system. Give players the choice of a presumably “quick” queue in solo/duo or a bit of wait to queue as trio or more.

From what I’ve observed over the past 6-12mths is player choice slowly being eroded. How we as players queue to play is one example. Lack of balance/diversity limits our build choices. Since Stronghold was removed from Ranked (not saying that is a bad thing), we are left now with only one play format for Ranked. Do you see the pattern here?

Only a couple of weeks into S6 and I’m just about ready to call it quits, in the vain hope S7 might be better.

I think the OP is trying to point the flawed logic of a placement being counted as a defeat, even though it was 4v5.

This was brought up last season. It is unreasonable to have your starting rating be at the mercy of afk or dc.

What I find incomprehensible is that fact you incur dishonor for “Declining” a queue pop. Why even bother having the option to “decline”?

I honestly don’t think I would’ve had the patience to play pvp (of any type) when i was younger. Being a bit older and wiser, I’m better equipped to identify my own flaws. Which when I was a younger I would never admitted, as a sufferer of youthful arrogance.

If ESL still has any interest in GW2, it will be interesting to see if any new “young guns” emerge to given the current pros a run for their money.

During S5 on NA server I submitted multiple tickets to support, with screenshots etc. The only response I ever got was “we have dealt with it appropriately”. When I pushed to get a more specific response, I was told “it is against policy to discuss internal operations”.

Bottom line, reports do nothing.

Most recently I was reprimanded on the forums for pointing out (again) the failure of the report system.

Dont’ talk too loud on the forums or you will find yourself being penalised, such as I and others have.

I have lost count of how many times this topic has come. In the past I have made significant efforts to have a tutorial. At one point, as a community, we put together a post that could’ve been stickied to help newbies. But, like every other time a tutorial is suggested, the suggestion fell on deaf ear.

Personally I’ve lost the desire to fight Anet. They have made it abundantly clear they have no desire to provide a quality pvp environment.

I’ve given up arguing that pvp needs some kind of tutorial or guide. But I sure wish there was one.

So many posts, so many comments; and they all fall on deaf ears. I’ve only been playing pvp somewhat seriously for about 9mths. This is one complaint that has been going for at least that long. I suspect much longer.

Can’t see any reason why the achievements couldn’t be restricted to Unranked.

Title says it all

I am disappointed that we didn’t get a follow-up poll to solo/due queue as Anet stated.

I am disappointed that Anet restricts its polls to forum users only.

I am disappointed that I can’t seem to find anywhere anything official regarding the changes to S6 regarding: decay, min games etc.

I feel fairly certain a good percentage of the current toxicity could have been avoided with a few small changes in the ranked system. Such as:

• no rewards for losing = no more afk farmers (or farmers in general)
• min match requirement (which we now have) = less leaderboard manipulation
• no class stacking = more fun matches and no 3-4 of one class & arguing over who won’t reroll
• no daily profession achievements in ranked

I could go on, but I truly can’t be bothered. My care factor lives at about the same level as Anet’s right now.

This subject has been brought up many many many times. General opinion seems to be the daily achieves are one of the major contributors to class stacking in matches. Which as we know, leads to unbalanced and un-fun matches.

Anyway, we keep banging that drum, maybe sometime Anet will get around to reading the dozens of threads talking about it and realise they need to do something.

Perhaps not count as a loss, but play an additional match? So if you suffer a dc during 10 placement matches, you play 11 before you are rated. It could still be exploited but it would be fairer in the long run.

While the obvious and blatant shenanigans running rampant on the NA leaderboard is demoralising, disgusting and downright unsportsmanlike; it pales in comparison to Anet’s deathly silence on the matter.

Once you’ve taken a few spins around the sun, you come to realise that in almost everything in life the few will ruin it for the many. If there is something that can be exploited, it will be. Ranked PVP is no different.

So in a way, I’m not surprised by the steady stream of examples of match manipulation/leaderboard exploitation that have been finding there way to the forums during S5. I am extremely disappointed, just not overly surprised.

The single thing I find most infuriating, shocking and disgusting (insert a few more adjectives here) is that Anet have remained silent in the face of overwhelming evidence.

One might argue that S5 has been an unmitigated disaster, despite the introduction of some really good improvements.

Personally I have two questions:

How many people will leave pvp because of the leaderboard/matchmaking debacles?

If & when will Anet publicly denounce match manipulators and clean up the community?

For anyone who is interested in current standings of the leaderboards for both regions.

I had given serious thought to trying out the EU server, but… since I am in Australia my ping would be intolerable. So I am stuck in miserable NA.

Spartacus.3192:

as far as I know reporting has never worked. I think the report function was put in the game as joke by one of the devs….Just do as advised above. Add to block list and q dodge

^^ This.

I’ve even submitted reports acknowledged by Anet “player was found to be guilty of match manipulation”, only to see that same player in a pvp match later that day.

Worked fine for me when I tried just now.

I just tried it then, worked fine for me.

The ultimate weakness is me playing a Warrior, lol. I am absolutely kittene at it.

It was announced 2 days ago that Eternal Coliseum was being unpinned. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Unpinning-Eternal-Coliseum-in-Unranked/6459124

Totally off topic, but… I just wanna say actual pro’s adding to discussion on the forums is only thing keeping me interested these days. Such a nice change from “qq” or “git gud” posts.

Keep up the good work lads, some of us appreciate it.

SlippyCheeze.5483:

It’s worth remembering that ANet often read, but rarely respond, on the forums.

In my experience, the only time they respond is to tell you you’ve been “naughty” on the forums.

I did respond to this thread previously and my message was deleted. Apparently Anet doesn’t like you telling people how to avoid the kitten they serve up.

I would tell you all about how I track and avoid certain problematic players, but I got an infraction notice and my message deleted the last time I did that.

It was announced here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Unpinning-Eternal-Coliseum-in-Unranked/6459124

Coliseum will be unpinned.

Myself and many others have tried repeatedly to bring this to Anet’s attention. You know what we get for our efforts? Nothing, unless you count trolls. My most recent attempt to address this, and other issues current impacting ranked, is here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Let-s-Fix-Ranked-PVP/6451610

EU is having the same issue: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Enable-minimum-200-games-for-leaderboard/6459584

It is no better on the NA server, which you can see in this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Current-Leader-Board/6458112