Guild Wars 2

OneKlicKill.4285:

I can’t be the only one who thinks you should just craft a bolt?

Really though if you don’t think your going to finish in 2 months, farm 1000g, get 500 of each dungen token, get your clovers etc of each and sit on it till the expo and craft a new wep for your new class when ele finally become useless, lets all be honest here were kittened.

Maybe for pvp but for pve, staff will be still be plenty useful.

Didn’t they say that the new legendaries will slowly be added? So even with the xpac, there might only be a couple legendaries out and maybe not even the staff yet? But if you don’t like the legendaries now, then my advice is don’t make them but as far I knew, the new set of legendaries weren’t all going to be out at xpac release.

I too crafted Bifrost, Incinerator and Meteorlogicus and swap out between them when I feel like a change. Plus I skin them for my other characters.

Aren’t these changes only temporary at the moment? I mean they aren’t guaranteed and considering we probably got at least 2-3 months for the xpac, a lot can change. I wonder how sword/X will work. Also I look at it like DPS isn’t everything since if you die in the first 5 secs of a fight, you do less DPS than the D/F ele who lives through the whole fight. But anyways, I’ve got the mats to make a minstrel but I’m leary about doing it until I see exactly what changes are guaranteed to happen to D/F or S/F.

Read the sticky called “guide dps ele in pve” by dekeyz. She explains it all in detail with actual numbers, not just opinions. And personally from a PVE standpoint, D/D is the worst set you could pick.

Personally I say go thief. D/D in full zerker spamming CnD with backstab gives some nice big numbers plus SR and SS invises are nice to run past trash. Really the only things I see mesmers bringing when I group with them in dungeons is TW. I mean they might bring other stuff but I don’t notice it. I got both Mesmer and thief and killing on my Mesmer is about as fun as watching paint dry not to mention about as long where as thief its fast paced dead in 3-4 hits. Of course neither is my main as I main an ele or guard in dungeon runs and sometimes my thief. Problem with thief is they have been neutered so many times it would take 3 hands to count em all. Bottom line is try both and see which you like the best.

Staff ele is more “relaxed” because any attunement other than fire is a big dps loss so that’s why you camp fire attunement and hop to air for swiftness when you are running. The other weapon sets like S/x and D/x require you to attunement swap as S/x is used to stack might and then bust out LH or IB and then dps and hop attunements to get buffs etc and D/x the same to a lesser extent. Staff ele just has next to nothing utility wise vs the other weapon sets. It’s just a fire attunement dps weapon. Best bet if you are interested in ele is read the sticky DeKeyz has up which explains the builds and weapon sets in much greater detail.

It’s been over 2 years and nothing. Do people really still have a candle lit for them doing anything about precursors? If so, I’m sorry to break it to you but I really doubt Anet is going to do anything….it has been 2+ years already.

Unless you like the particular skin, then no not really. Stat changing is nice but I think I’ve changed stats on the 6 legendaries I’ve made probably about 1 time.

For being BiS, it is worth it depending how soon Anet is gonna release the next grind for the next tier of weapons as legendaries will always be bumped up to the top tier as new tiers are released.

Bottom line is if you are bored, want to grind and like a skin, sure go for it. Like I said I made 6 legendaries simply because those 6 were the skins/effects I wanted and I was bored enough to grind em out.

Well unless the patch on 9/9 changed something, you still get 7-8 levels from 1-400. The change was only stretching out the xp since some crafts are 500 now which in that case, going from 1-500 will still net you 10 levels just like pre 500 level crafting did from 1-400.

So that’s it? I thought I read that you could store materials and craft? Says if you use em you lose the upgrade. Does that mean I have a portable crafting station?

Warriors had it way too easy for too long. So now those who are really good players will adapt and overcome and those who played warrior for ezmode will complain, crumble and quit. I for one am glad for the changes. Kudos Anet for actually doing something right.

The footfall of Eternity is nice but the problem is it is not nice enough to sacrifice a whole nother legendary for. Same with the hilt on Eternity. Like I’ve said before, I would rather just keep Twilight and Sunrise separate and have 2 legendaries but to each their own I guess.

The best one is the one you like playing the most. I have a geared 80 of everything except thief and engie and personally it depends what im doing. For dungeons I love playing my ele. Much more things to do and more fun. Guard is easy in dungeons too but kind of bland imo. Warriors are good dps but again, for me it was just kind of bland and boring. Open world, ranger is really fun. So really the answer isn’t so clear cut except for the fact that its still gonna be the character you have the most fun on.

I would make either Sunrise or Twilight but I wouldn’t make Eternity personally. Its just not cool enough to “destroy” a legendary over. I would rather have 2 chars each with a legendary. I made Sunrise and Juggernaut for my guard and I actually use Juggernaut more.

RNG is RNG. But overall, trying to farm for T6 mats is gonna be slower than just farming for gold and buying the mats or farming T5 mats and promoting them yourself. Buying T5 mats and promoting them is going to be about the same as just buying T6 mats in the end since everyone knows that this used to be profitable so now the profit in it is gone or so small its not worth the time it takes.

Problem with precursor crafting is that they would need to be comparable to the other Gifts as the precursor is 1/4 the materials needed. So you look at Gift of Fortune is about 1000g to craft, Gift of (the legendary) is around 500-1000 depending on the legendary, and Gift of Mastery is a huge time sink with the 500k karma and 200 skill points needed. So a way to make a precursor is NOT gonna be something cheap like 20g or only take a week to make. My guess like I’ve said before would be something a long the lines of 500g and/or2 months or so to make. That would put it more in line with the other components.

Of course my stand on the whole issue is just leave precursors the way they are. No I’m not selling any atm and I have never even seen one drop in 2 years of playing and about 6000 hours. I say leave them cause anyone can make them if they set their mind to it and focus. Hell I made 6 in the amount of time I played and it really wasn’t that hard.

Psientist.6437:

Sauzo,

Point of clarification; the stats for Legendary weapons were raised to match Ascended gear. Your final point is inaccurate to the point of irrelevant.

I can not speak for others but I like to discuss new precursor discovery methods for several reasons. In general, I am compelled to get my hands into complex systems and a new precursor discovery method is a complex system. As well, when the workload of crafting ascended gear runs dry or for reasons not connected to workload, we will likely see an expansion of Legendary weapons and/or armor. When that happens, we will indeed see a new discovery method for precursors.

If Arenanet et al were not interested in a new discovery method for precursors, they are being irresponsible when they say it is still on their radar. A recent post from Colin mentions precursor crafting as well, albeit as a general description of the speed of developing new content.

My last point is relevant though. My point was that perhaps ascended and legendary weapons having the same stats and weapon dmg was Anets way of dealing with precursors. That way people whining about precursors couldn’t use the argument that legendaries were “better” and that people without legendaries weren’t on level footing with people with legendaries. This way the only difference in a legendary is purely cosmetics, nothing to go with the characters actual “contribution” dmgwise since it is much cheaper and easier to make ascended weapons than legendaries.

linuxotaku.4731:

aelfwe.4239:

@protoavis
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3) you tell the truth: you have 25k gold and you are here complaining for precursor price. This would be the wost and saddest option. You are basically trolling people because you told you made 25k golds flipping tp, that basically means you are one of the main reason precursor price is high BUT regardless this you are here complaining about precursor price. Its like a warlord who sell weapons complaining of war.

Chose your option

There are plenty of ways to make money trading which don’t contribute to high precursor prices. Precursor prices are determined by liquidity and the supply/demand curve, AFAICT.

But I think he/she is referring to is that most of the people who have large amounts of cash made a good chunk flipping the TP or still do. Those people can afford to throw up huge buy out offers over everyone else thus driving up the prices, not necessarily on precursors but smaller stuff that they can throw large buyouts for large amounts and buy out all the lower amounts for sale, thus kind of setting a higher prices. Of course there are those that didn’t play the TP and have large amounts of cash but those people generally aren’t gonna spend it since they didn’t get that much gold from spending it unwisely. A loosely based example is the guy who plays the TP all day making 100g a day and the guy who makes 10g a day doing other stuff. After a week, that guy who makes 100g a day is gonna be able to blow more gold on anything while the 10g a day guy isn’t gonna have the cash to really throw around. Loose example like I said but you get the general idea.

This topic has been beaten to death. Why do people insist on starting new threads concerning precursor crafting. Anyone with half a brain knows that precursor crafting is not gonna happen. It’s been 2 years and nothing has been done to precursors whatsoever. If it was such a priority, they would have done something a long time ago. The economy is too far set to implement something that would upset the economy so much on an item with such “focus” as precursors. Anet simply just turned a blind eye to them or maybe their solution was making ascended weapons which have the same stats as legendaries so problem solved in their eyes.

GinghamLion.3614:

I really don’t mind at all. I don’t do any elitist pve content because it bores the heck out of me. I do mainly fun whatever I want pve and WvW/PvP. You guys (not YOU guys but the dungeon running crews) can go stack around corners with someone else.

I hear you want to play “your” way which is great and all but if the rest of the group stacks and you are off somewhere else, don’t be surprised if you get a kick. You are already playing a class which most people deem as the worst dungeon class in game and on top of that, if you cant stack in the right places…..

Do yourself a favor and if you are dead set on running a necro as your dungeon character, at least go with a power build. Condition builds in PVE kind of suck because of the cap on conditions. If they ever lift the cap, then it might be decent.

So basically the necro is still gonna be the red headed stepchild for dungeons that no one really wants and everyone lets out a little sigh in front of their computer screen when one joins the group…..

You guys still believe that a precursor crafting or quest is on the way??? I got a bridge to sell you also…..

Obtena.7952:

The number of ways to get things easily isn’t a factor on the demand for legendaries once precursor crafting is implemented.

Perhaps this has been brought up but whatever the mechanics of the crafting, the ‘cost’ to craft will likely be inline with the cost of current precursors. Anet is still going to want people to work a similar amount to make legendaries.

OMG someone who understands what I have been trying to say in I don’t know how many posts!!! Anet is not going to make some easy and cheap way to get a precursor after 2 years of letting precursors climb to such a high price tag. Can you imagine the forums if they made precursor cost like 100g to make? The whole freakin economy would explode. You would have 2g ectos and 3g T6 mats. You would have all the precursors on the TP being pulled and overall, just chaos. There is no way Anet would want to deal with the repercussions from something like that. If they implement crafting, it will be at least 500g in my opinion and probably more.

Sauzo.6821:

Oh and you do realize that the biggest reason precursors went up in price was because of the wardrobe feature and changing them to acct bound vs soulbound right. You can now make a legendary and slap that skin or weapon onto any character. That is the reason behind why precursors doubled. Your reasoning of T5 and T6 and MF and exos might have precursors slightly but not enough that would break the bank.

Iinuxotaku.4731:

I thought Protoavis’ point was clearly that the increase in precursor prices caused T5 prices to increase.

Well I re-read the post and from what I gathered, Protoavis is saying that the change in the way the MF works with returning exos something something tesulted in doubling of the price of precursors which if that is what he meant, then it is wrong. Precursors doubled because of the wardrobe feature coupled with the change of legendaries from soulbound to acct bound. You can go to gw2spidy or any other site that tracks prices and see that the HUGE jump occurred then. of course you still have the small steady increase no matter what.

As for T5 prices going up, I attribute that to wardrobe and acct bound changes to legendaries as well since now it makes a lot more people want to make legendaries which in turn raises the demand and price for T6 mats as well as T5 mats used to promote to T6 mats.

Well, put it this way OP, are you using the 6/6/2/0/0 build with dual daggers or are you using the traditional 0/0/2/6/6 dual dagger build? If the answer is the first one with LH, then you are fine. If you are using the 2nd build with LH, then your DPS will be pretty weak even using a LH.

Is there a particular reason you are set on using only dual daggers? I mean you should have all the weapons. I use a S/D LH build most of the time but sometimes I will switch to D/F or staff depending what I’m doing and whether I’m bored with the weapon set I’m using atm.

What is your answer for “difficult method”? I mean are you talking about doing some really hard jump puzzle that takes an hour and then you get a precursor? Or are you talking about doing a 4-6 month long hard quest for one? And precursors aren’t hard to get, they are just boring as all hell to get. Just got to grind and you will be guaranteed one.

And everything in this game is a grind. Look at ascended armor, you have to grind dailies for laurels to buy recipes, you have to grind crafting to 500, you have to grind mats or gold to buy mats to make the components. Same with ascended weapons.

But like I said, I wouldn’t mind a quest for precursors where EVERYTHING was acct bound including the finished precursor. You could not buy anything to craft it on the TP. So it would be 100% time gated/skills to get recipes and take about 4-6 months to finish. Now that would be a quest. That would give you 3 options to get a precursors, buy it on the TP, gamble it on the MF or do the insane hard 4-6 month long quest which gives you a guaranteed one at the end but takes forever and a day to finish.

And I agree this system now isn’t a very good one. I’ve played since head start and have around 6000 hours logged in and have never seen a precursor drop period. The 6 legendaries I made, I had to buy each and every precursor off the TP.

@ Protoavis
And again, there is another way to get a precursor which doesn’t rely on others, use the MF. My question is why do you keep comparing precursors to T5 and T6 mats? They are 2 completely different things.

And as for depending on others who can raise the prices at a whim. You do realize that the prices are pretty much set by the players. If I put a precursor up for 5000g, that is not the price of them. The true price is what a player will pay for it. So if you are really upset about the price, blame the people who pay 1200g for a precursor.

And if you have around 28000g, then I cant see the reasoning behind your arguments about precursors unless you are just trolling or arguing for the sake of argument.

Like I said, I’m not really sure what you are asking. I mean you say you got around 28000g yet are complaining about precursors. Do you want some quest or crafting way to make them? If so, are you expecting this quest or crafting to take a day or two to finish and only cost you a few hours in time? I mean I wouldn’t mind a craftable or quest for precursors but I would want it to take 4-6 months to complete it to make it feel something like a quest(used very loosely). In that case, it would be on par with about the timeframe it would take to farm gold to just buy one. As for your arguments now, I have pretty much lost the point of it.

Oh and you do realize that the biggest reason precursors went up in price was because of the wardrobe feature and changing them to acct bound vs soulbound right. You can now make a legendary and slap that skin or weapon onto any character. That is the reason behind why precursors doubled. Your reasoning of T5 and T6 and MF and exos might have precursors slightly but not enough that would break the bank.

The next form will be a legendary BP!!!

johnnymiller.5968:

750 staff (roughly 700g) into the mystic forge tonight – 46 exotic’s back, with one of them being the legend. Received the legend at about the 600 staff mark (into the forge). 3 precursor weapons out of the mystic forge in 24 hours.
Keep trying & you’ll get one or more.

500 swords & zap on the same night & tooth of frostfang plus the hunter.

This time a screenshot provided.

Grats on the nice chunk of change there. I just cant bring myself to gamble to MF. I gambled about 100g back in the day when the expensive precursors were about 300-400g and got nothing and felt screwed. It wasn’t much but I figured I’d just go the guaranteed route and save gold.

Protoavis.9107:

Considering nothing I said suggests buying from the TP, cause everything I said was about your own drops….I’m seeing irrelevant arguments being made. It’s still more sensible to promote your T5 drops (T5 being highly farmable) due to listing fees and selling taxes (and well there’s still a lot of things that are worth buying and promoting but it fluctuates, none of which is relevant here though). Point is the T6 requirement you can steadily acquire through fairly normal gameplay at lvl 80 (champ boxes) or farm at (specific mobs, promotion) this cant be said for precursor you either be lucky (no control, not remotely predictable like mat farming, odds that are just ultimately abysmal and anyone holding out for that is well barking up the wrong tree) or buy from the TP which is constantly in a state of increase….there’s no alternative to acquire unlike t6 mats which have half a dozen methods of acquirement, the majority of which rely on you and your actions alone, only 1 of them rely on other players….it’s comparable unless you’re being intentionally obtuse.

So if farming T5 mats and promoting them and getting T6 mats from champ boxes etc is so easy and highly farmable, why not just farm that and sell it all on TP and use the gold to buy a precursor. Then just farm all the mats over again since you are saying its highly farmable and making it sound easy. Problem solved.

And yes you can still steadily acquire a precursor through normal play too. You save gold as you play and in a few months, you can buy one.

I also wouldn’t call farming T6 mats predictable as you still are left to RNG over what drops so you could kill 10 mobs and get 10 of X T6 mat or you can kill 10 mobs and get 0 of X T6 mat.

And the majority of acquiring a precursor does depend on you, you need to farm the gold or craft and gamble to MF. Sure if you buy one on the TP, you are indirectly depending on someone else but come on, the bottom line is unless you are farming all the mats and crafting all the rares and throwing them all in the MF, you are gonna be depending on someone at some point.

To me, it just sounds like you want a guaranteed way to get a precursor and there is one as I mentioned above. Hell there is an even easier way if I listen to you about how highly farmable T5 mats are and how much the prices are rising already. Hell just skip dungeons and everything and just farm T5 mats all day and promote them and sell them. Would be able to buy a precursor pretty quick it sounds like.

Unfortunately we can’t get everything we want so it boils down to either suck it up and acquire it the way Anet is offering it or forget a legendary and move on. Simple as that really. Or I guess the third method is post on the forums here and then realize that anything about precursors just falls on deaf ears. Regardless, good luck on whatever way you go.

@Protoavis
Actually you can compare T6 mats to a precursor. On average you can put a buy order for a precursor for 1000g more or less and get one. 250 of all 8 T6 mats on an average cost of 50s each(some more like bloods and some less like totems) and it would cost you 1000g. The only difference is that for the precursor, you need to put all that money up front at one time. With the T6 mats, you can buy a few here and there.

As for promoting them, it’s not really worth it anymore since pretty much everyone who wanted to flip some cash would buy tons of T5 mats for cheap and promote them so now, you might save a few silver here and there but overall, not much. That’s what I did with lodestones when I made Incinerator, Meteorlogicus and Sunrise. I just bought cores and promoted them. At the start it was a good savings but near the end, I think I figured out I was saving around 5-10 silver each.

I made 6 legendaries. Juggernaut, Sunrise, Meteorlogicus, Incinerator, The Dreamer, Kudzu and I bought every one of those precursors without TP flipping or whipping out the credit card. Granted I bought most during the karka queen event(Kudzu for 99g) and bought some others when they were cheaper, Colossus for 300g and dawn for 350g but regardless, I just grinded and saved cash. I understand peoples frustration with precursors but it is a fine line for balance and also to not bottleneck the process somewhere else.

I miss the days of farming Penitent and Shelters as well as Plinx non stop. The good ole days of Orr. Now it’s just DR up the wazzo that dungeons are the way to go…of course I liked it better when dungeons were farmable for tokens all day too…..ahh the days of all day CoF P1 and P2 runs.

Protoavis.9107:

arkealia.2713:

People don’t understand that as soon as anet will announce precursor crafting, the price of all mats involved to craft a legendary will explode. Meaning mostly T5, T6, ecto, cores and lodes.
A lot of things will be more expensive and your legendary won’t be any cheaper.

Those things are farmable (or farmable and promotable) and a significant portion of folk already have most mats apart from the precursor.

There’d be an increase but it’ll go along with an increase of farming.

T6 mats being “farmable” is debatable. Sure you can kill the same mobs in the same zone for an hour till DR kicks in and if you are lucky, you will get maybe 10 of those mats except you need 250 of 8 different mats…..

As for being promotable, sure it is but do you really think the T5 mats won’t double or triple in price considering that everyone knows they are promotable. Not to mention that now everyone is making precursors so the demand for those mats will outweigh the supply since the FG train and Queensdale trains are pretty much dead now.

As for most people already having those mats, I’m sure they do. That wouldn’t effect them really but any newer people would be screwed just like people who have everything but a precursor now. So in effect, someone is getting screwed and the forums QQ will just continue.

And as for an increase in farming those T5 and T6 mats, people already cry about having to farm gold to buy precursors now. Imagine having to farm 2000 T6 mats or a LOT more T5 mats. And the worst part is at least when you are farming gold you can do all aspects of the game. Trying to farm a specific T6 mat requires you to kill a certain class of mobs which I don’t about you but I have killed specific mobs for achievements like 1000 minotaurs and my god that was boring.

Like I’ve said before and others have said, making precursors craftable is NOT going to make it cheaper overall to make a legendary. If anything, I imagine it making more as now you will have the hefty boost to T5 and T6 mat cost plus ectos and I’m sure crafting a precursor isn’t gonna be free. I figure it will be about 500g to just craft a precursor. I’m sure you will need 500 in one or more craft professions.

Well considering that any build with a scepter is going to use LH, I would say the 6/6/2 will do the most dmg. Problem is that build is pretty squishy too. I personally run either 6/6/2/0/0 or 6/2/0/6/0 or 6/4/0/4/0 depending how good the pug is. More dps build if the group keeps me alive or more healing/defensive if the group doesn’t really synergize well.

The reason the precursors took such a big jump is the wardrobe feature was added. Before that, it was a pretty steady increase but the wardrobe made a big jump in price. I now see it going back to a steady increase or perhaps reaching a settling point for a little bit.

unicorngirl.1487:

Sauzo.6821:

You are not using your time efficiently. I have 4250 hours played and I have made 6 legendaries, 2 full ascended armor sets(heavy and light), 2 full sets of ascended trinkets and filled in the gaps of my non legendaries with ascended weapons. Also have all available crafts to 500 minus leatherworker. And yeah pvping is not a way to get rich. If you had pve’d like I do, you probably could have made all this easily too.

Efficiently? Isn’t this a game, not a job?

Getting a legendary in 2-3 months IS a job pretty much which means you need to play efficiently and maximize your time unless you play 18 hours a day. Which in that case, you can play however cause you will have so many hours logged in that even if you farmed Metrica Province, you could make enough gold. However, playing the game the way you want for a year is “fun” and you will get a legendary, just not in 2-3 months. Pick your poison.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Sauzo.6821:

You are not using your time efficiently…. (snip)

….If you had pve’d like I do, you probably could have made all this easily too.

Son, this is a game. If you want to “use your time efficiently”, turn the game off and go do something useful.

And if you really enjoy playing against a brain dead AI, with a group of brain dead players who insist that there is only one useful build, well…. Enjoy yourself, but that’s not for me.

Now of course someone who hasn’t read this thread is going to come along and try to tell me that I don’t deserve a Legendary because I’m not willing “to do the work”.

Son? If I’m your son, I really would hate to know your age. And by using time “efficiently”, it means doing the things in game that earn the most gold the fastest. So for example running quick dungeons vs running around Metrica killing level 2 mobs. Unfortunately PVP is not a very efficient way to make gold which if you want a legendary in a couple months, you will have to do the “braindead” PVE since that is the best way to make gold. So it boils down to either do the stuff to make the most gold the fastest even if you don’t want to do it or do the stuff you want but then don’t complain about how it’s so hard to get a precursor because if you do the fastest gold farms, it’s really not that hard to farm up the gold.

And there is no “deserving” a legendary. You want one, you grind gold whatever way is fastest. No one is “entitled” to a legendary. A lot of people want to claim I have X time in game, I should have a legendary. No you shouldn’t. You want one that bad, then grind your kitten off and get one.

I mean don’t get me wrong, I do think the prices on precursors is crazy but that’s the way it is. I accept it and just find ways to make it work. Having craftable precursors will just put the bottleneck somewhere else, my guess is would be on super high priced T6 mats but that’s a different topic.

Kudzu, Dreamer, Sunrise, Incinerator for me. Thought about Bolt but I’m lazy and decided to cheese it with an ascended 1h sword.

S/D can put down around 18 stacks of might but you do lose some of the defense from focus. But it’s pretty much a moot point once you know the dungeon/bosses.

Run easy and fast dungeons like AC1/3, CoF1/2, SE1/3, HoTW1, TA1 and do events in Orr. Then use the tokens to either buy armor and break em into ecto/insignias and sell that or buy 4 weapons and MF them and pray. Then use all that gold to buy the mats.

If I had to guess, I would say it would involve multiple forms of time gated material as well as probably recipes for components that require laurels. With all the complaining going on about how precursors can just be bought for ridiculous amounts of gold and involve no skill or anything, you really think they would boil the crafting down to just throwing tons of money? In that case just leave them as is since using all T5 mats or even all T6 mats to make it would be the same as just farm gold and buy it on TP. Either way you would be paying someone for the item/items.

And if they time gate the materials, you know kitten well we will start seeing posts about “WTF, it takes 4 months to make all the mats to make a precursor!! I was expecting to be able to run through a 15 min story and get handed my precursor!!” There is not going to be a way to please everyone. Someone will always cry “foul”.

Problem is almost all MMOs have the same basic format, farm X pretty much the whole time you play. Whether it be “flags” to access more raid content and raid gear like EQ1, EQ2, AoC, WoW or just farming gold to buy/upgrade gear like Lineage 2, Aion, Tera or in GW2 case, farm for skins. Bottom line is you either farm for a faster “reward” or play casual for the same “reward” but on a much slower scale.

I’ve played all those games I listed and to be honest, GW2 is the most relaxing of all of them. All the other MMOs I was in large upper end raid guilds where you had to raid 6 hours a day 4-5 days a week and you had to stay current with all the flags and “essentials” of raiding. At least in GW2, you don’t need legendaries to stay competitive. They offer easier ways like ascended weapons and even exos are only a few points below that and don’t really require anything to get them other than a pulse and know how to push a couple buttons and dodge.

If a legendary is really that hard for people to get, then said people should probably just give up on the idea and either quit or just have fun, play casual and one day you will eventually make one.

Nub.2391:

Great, 99.9% of your play time is to farm.

Sauzo.6821:

You are not using your time efficiently. I have 4250 hours played and I have made 6 legendaries, 2 full ascended armor sets(heavy and light), 2 full sets of ascended trinkets and filled in the gaps of my non legendaries with ascended weapons. Also have all available crafts to 500 minus leatherworker. And yeah pvping is not a way to get rich. If you had pve’d like I do, you probably could have made all this easily too.

Actually yes and no. I used to farm Orr events like Plinx and the other 2 in the tunnel a lot before they changed it all by adding timers and champ mobs. But to tell you the truth, I spent more time doing dungeons. And of course the FG champ train. You have 2 choices in this game, if you want a legendary faster, you need to farm like it’s a job. If you don’t really care about it that much, then just play the game normal and you will have one in about a year. The problem I see like I’ve stated before is that people want instant gratification but don’t want to do the work for it like mindless grinding. Well I got news for you people, if they implement a way to craft precursors, you can bet it isn’t gonna be something as easy as a 1-2 week run around collect things. It’s gonna be as bad or worse than grinding for gold now.

You are not using your time efficiently. I have 4250 hours played and I have made 6 legendaries, 2 full ascended armor sets(heavy and light), 2 full sets of ascended trinkets and filled in the gaps of my non legendaries with ascended weapons. Also have all available crafts to 500 minus leatherworker. And yeah pvping is not a way to get rich. If you had pve’d like I do, you probably could have made all this easily too.

The only time I find LH frustrating is when some ranger steals my hammer. I too like to run a 6/4/0/4/0 most of the time in pugs. I even sometimes run a 6/2/0/6/0 if the pug is really rough. With either of those builds, I still usually end up taking the agro from everything and praying I live through it but I guess that’s the nature of pugging it.

Anyways with more practice it will get easier but you will still have those days where you want to choke someone :P

Problem with tying it to a skill challenge is that then you will have people crying about how the challenge is too hard etc etc. Make it too easy and not requiring any T6 mats basically boils down to “let me through a story and at the end, hand me my legendary”. How long do you plan this story to take? 1 day? 2 days? 1 week? I mean to make a legendary will all the components took me about 2-3 months and I’ve made 6. Would be satisfied if the story line for a legendary was 3 months long? Again, it sounds like a lot of people want an instant gratification item…

Also all of you advocating this crafting of the precursor do realize that if they implemented it, the prices of T6 mats would go through the roof. Supply and demand, there will be a HUGE demand for T6 mats since everyone and their brother is making a legendary now. So now you will all start to cry about how T6 mats are 1-3g each. That would mean that gift of might and gift of magic would each jump up to between 1000-3000g each to make. So sure you guys who are only needing a precursor would be in heaven but anyone else who needs T6 mats would be totally screwed.

So would you rather pay around 400g each for gift of magic and might plus 1300 for precursor for a total of around 2100g now or would you rather pay 2000-6000g plus whatever the craftable precursor requires if they implemented cratable precursors?

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I find it kind of funny that probably most of the people crying about precursor crafting are the ones who REALLY want a precursor. If you REALLY want a precursor, then work for it and start grinding. I mean I started playing the game at head start and in that amount of time I managed to buy 6 precursors and craft 6 legendaries. Now granted I do play a lot but I have also made 6 legendaries. You need to prioritize your wants. You cant buy all that shiny armor and skins and toys if you want a precursor. You need to turn into Scrouge Mcduck and sell everything you get and hoard every copper you get. You will probably also have to play through some times you would rather not. Getting a precursor fast is not an easy or necessarily fun thing. If you want to make it fun, then casually play and after about a year you will have one. Even casually, you should not have a problem making 10g a day. That’s 300g a month not counting anything really good dropping. So in about 90 days, you could throw in a buy order for a precursor and probably get it. Only 90 days. But again, it boils down to how bad do you want it and how much willpower do you have.

Ok, let’s run with this…let’s say a new player got the game last Christmas and spent 3 months leveling up and whatever and at the end of March decided that he wanted to go for twilight. He plays 5 days a week and can make the 10g/day that you cited. The other 2 days he plays sports or works or something and basically only logs on to do the dailies. He is sitting there at the end of march and says “ok, 850g for Dusk, I can make 10g a day so I’ll start grinding away at it and I’ll have it in 4 months or so. No biggie, I’m happy to work for it”.

So, on April 1 he sits 850g away from his precursor and starts plugging away on the champ/karka/world boss train or whatever for an hour a day to hit his 10g (yes, even when it isn’t fun or he would rather do something else in game). For 18 weeks from April 1 to July 31 he grinds away, 5 days/week, 10g/day = 50g/week. Sells everything, buys nothing. And on July 31 he sits with 900g in the bank ready to buy his weapon. So he clicks on the TP to buy it and… it is 1600g (today it is 1500). He started April 850g away and even after 4 months of unfun grinding, he is still 700g (600g in todays price) away.

Do you see the problem yet?

Well I see what you are getting at but the 10g a day reference I used was pretty loose as if you run dungeons and trade in tokens for gear and break the gear for insignias and ecto etc etc, you should make a lot more and that’s not counting if you get any exos, rares and stuff. Time it right and you can catch world events too as they are pretty well set in stone timewise now. So really, you should be able to make 20g a day.

And yes, new players are at a bit of a disadvantage but that’s pretty much true of any MMO.

As for prices rising, I do agree that that part is messed up but its economics, it’s gonna happen. I do think these prices now are pretty close to the top end as the thing that really pushed the price up on precursors was they made the skins shareable which boosted the “value” to legendaries. Unless they add something new to them like way better stats or something else crazy, I don’t see their prices taking off anytime soon. Also the listed price on them is usually higher than most get sold for. If you put in a buy order and it’s within reason, you will usually get it filled. All 6 of my precurors I bought were from buy orders and they were filled within 24 hours of posting them, usually within an hour or 2. Most people that are gonna sell their precursors aren’t gonna squabble over 100g when you are talking 1200-1300g instantly.

But like I’ve said before, if you REALLY care for a legendary, then unfortunately you are going to have to do a lot of grinding and probably most of it wont be that fun. It’s just how it is. Now if you want one but its not a huge concern, then just play normal, have fun and it will come in time. Legendaries are not an instant gratification item, they are a blood, sweat, tears, nerdrage item.