Guild Wars 2

These two days have been great. Question is what happens on the holidays in full. For as even a match this is, that’s really going to make a lot of difference.

Vodka.3958:

TC will have a really hard time in tier 2 if Blackgate doesn’t move up to T1… Theres a 150 rating difference based on http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA. That’s the equivalent of TC going against Fort Aspenwood; and you all can see how that went. Good luck.

Seems fine to me. Still get to bloody some noses no matter what. Even if Blackgate runs away with it, all I care about is if the fights are fun. ‘Course I want to win but no matter what, I’m not giving up.

On the short hand, I seem to have missed some earth shattering news. (Can it be called earth shattering if it’s not clear what the news is?). Apparently some supposed controversy about a keep that couldn’t be held?

Andy.9137:

I just wish TC would stop attributing their score to skill alone when it simply makes them seem foolish and arrogant.

I know I certainly don’t attribute it to skill alone. It’s multiple factors. Skill is a part, as is the coordination of our roaming parties. Much of that is buffered by numbers and generally matched by player enthusiasm. That is, superior numbers made up of people who are eager to fight.

This does not mean that other CD or FA don’t have enthusiastic player or competent commanders. They do. Particularly the ones that are tenacious enough to continue fighting as hard as they do. In the end, I would attribute multiple things to all the servers.

It’s generally wrong for someone to say “We did it all because we’re better and more skilled!” or “You’re winning only because of numbers and nothing else!”. Bear in mind, I’m not accusing you, necessarily, of the latter statement.

There’s too many variables. Even if some are more readily noticeable.

pot.6805:

Looking forward to seeing TC In t2 next week, will be nice to get some fresh blood (to go out and kill of course hehe). Have fun and good luck.

We end up there, it’ll be fun. Might get smashed to hell. Entirely possible. Some would tell us likely. Still will be fun. Learning experiences as well. See? This is the type of posting I enjoy. A little prodding but a friendly jab. Far too many people get deep into the mire.

rhonyn.6810:

As you said, this matchup is unbalanced, but you are having fun…..as I’m sure most of TC is….I suspect you didn’t have 4 map Q’s and 40 golem rushes when fighting SoS (? – sorry don’t recall server where TC was spawn camped)…..I’m guessing lots of your pop found excuses to PvE that week. (this isn’t TC specific, its all servers – back to original sweeping generalizations: winning is “fun”)

Having been at the receiving end of some crushing defeats, I can assure you…at least for myself…that winning has nothing to do with my enjoyment factor. If others found reasons to not fight, I only found more reason to.

Obviously, this falls under your caveat of making big generalizations but since you jumped of my quite and used a personal noun to refer to me, I would like to offer myself as an exception to your rule. If only for posterity.

I think part of it certainly is that, as I sort of expounded on before, it’s not only hard to trust another realm to honor some type of agreement (not to mention actually enforcing it on both sides) but the knowledge that it is temporary encourages people to plan ahead against their allies or discourages them to even enter into an arrangement.

As for the ranking system: For me, at least, I don’t really care what tier the Coast is in. I really enjoy my server and all I really want are fights I enjoy. CD and FA generally deliver in this regard although there is a disparity that’s apparent because the same patterns repeat themselves. T2 would be fun, I think, and I’d like to push for it but at the same time if there was some type of major change and we started to drop down in tiers, I don’t know if I’d mind, again, so long as the opponents are fun.

In terms of the ranking system, it’s not really broken but it doesn’t really offer anything dynamic either. There’s ways to push against it but really I do think that there’s got to be some general shuffling at times. Not something like placing Kaineng against SoS or something like that but there has to be some way to have a system that, at times, gives different opponents.

I have no clue what that would be though.

Just worry about what’s happening in the match, folks. Let the battlefield take care of things. That’s the best way to deal with things. Enjoy the fights. Respect the enemy as a whole. Nothing to work up about.

My only complaint, thus far, is there’s a trend we’ve seen in most matches thus far with these realms and it’s that while there was enough controversy to ignite a two pronged focus attack on Aspenwood (and you can talk about if that was justified but I’d rather we not), there never seems to be as much, lacking a better term, collusion between the two servers that are behind.

Maybe I just don’t see it. But it really is strategically strong as a decision but it never happens. Prisoner’s dilemma, I suppose. It’s always tempting to focus on the enemy with the least advantage rather than risk an ad hoc alliance.

Then again, any talk like this tends to be blown up. “Alliance?!” people hear, as they did back during the first matches when accusations flew of a love affair between the Coast and Maguuma. But that the thing…the term alliance is usually misread. Often, people think of it as some type of unfair action when it’s actually a wise strategy. So long as you prepare to deal with the possibility of betrayal.

Yet, I cannot think of major times when the Coast has done it. Or other realms have. Unless I’m just an idiot. Which is likely.

It’s like when you see groups make a tactical decision to hold off attacking a keep while another realm does the work. Then they swoop in and wipe the would be attackers out and stake their claim. You see this often, this tactic. But you don’t often see its strategic cousin.

Odd post, I know. But just idle thought. The crux of things is that people shouldn’t get worked up over much. Let the fights decide things and just keep swinging, even with a bloody nose.

Waffler.1257:

Not bad except that you misspelled desert twice, unless you really did mean high-sugar content consumables.

What if he did? Then the egg is on whose face?

Phantom, I’d give it a rest. It reflects just as poorly on us to throw fits and it might on individuals from other servers. At this point, we should sort of turn it in, stop fanning flames, and just hunker down for the next round. No one’s going anywhere, anyway.

Vorpal.4683:

Then again…the forum population is far from representative of the server as a whole. It’s a mistake to try to tar a whole server with a broad brush based on the actions of a few individuals.

This. Always. I adore my server because I find it inviting and tenacious. I also think that CD and FA are fun opponents. Do I like one over the other? Perhaps. But have I fought some amazing battle and duels against people from both? Of course.

And, for me, that’s all that matters. I think that applies to a lot of people across the board on all three servers. People get wrapped up in who emoted what and when and why one group let another take the third group’s keep so that they could attack elsewhere instead. And it’s all pretty pointless. Vapid. Empty. And though I’ll outright admit that the whole Yakgate thing sort of makes me disappointed in plenty of people, I don’t try to hold it entirely against a certain server.

What matters is we’re all in it to give our best. To fight to the end. It’s something people tend to lose sight of at times. Shame, really.

Lots of focus on emotes and event crashing and numbers and whatever. It’s probably good to step back and reset our mindsets here. Things happen. Can’t paint with broad strokes, any server. I think, anyway.

Sometimes, I’ve been savaged by groups or assaulted by simple tactics. Other times, I’ve challenged enemy players to duels by personally calling them out. Sometimes I’ve attacked people in the jumping puzzle. Other times, I’ve saluted and let them through. No ones a saint, we’ve all been sinners.

I, at least personally, want to mollify some of this. I’m a small presence for my server, TC, although not a name without recognition (I say with some arrogance). I don’t affect major battles. I run small squads for small tasks. I’m not a commander or a leader of a huge guild. I’m just a player. One drop in the Tarnished Coast sea.

But I still want to salute my enemies. Some real toughs have held strong and fought. And that still deserves recognition. As for my server, let’s still try to hold onto our tenacity but let’s never give up a sense of cordiality for it.

Least, that’s what I think as one tiny drop.

Hydrophidian.4319:

If we go to tier 2, fine. If we don’t, fine. As long as it’s fun, I’m not that worried about it.

I’ll piggyback on this to add that ‘fun’ for me doesn’t even necessarily mean winning. It means fighting good opponents. If we go to Tier 2 and get out faces caved in, I’m not going to care much so long as the fights are exciting.

JakobGW.5730:

Next week will the be 7th week in a row that TC has been at the top of tier 3, never advancing up the tiers and fighting the same three servers over the course of almost two months: CD, FA, YB. I don’t see any amount of teamwork that’s going to get you to teir (sic) 2.

The fights are fun. Should I care about anything else?

OneBloke.7264:

Hmm but how do u explain that literally 1 minute after we’ve captured SMC a TC zerg appears in the lord room?

Missed a mesmer.

To echo what people have said and what I always say: Quickness need the change. Not a removal like people advocate too often but merely a change.

Reduced speedbuff (and potential changes to duration) along with steeper penalties to make the risk/reward choice stressed. For instance, endurance lost and inability to stealth for thieves, potentially steep damage penalties for warriors, etc.

I’d have to sit down and really hash it out and the above are just ideas and by no means anything I’m advocating without due consideration but that’d be the general idea. Adjustment, not removal.

It barely matters. Usually if get the chance, I’ll give a bow or even a friendly nod if people need to get through the jumping puzzle, which I don’t ever attack first in. But really, I like to message the other player and just give them a quick “Good fight.”, as clunky and the process to message them is.

Anywho, it seems I spaced out and missed some discussion but really, the good thing to remember is that for whatever on the battlefield ribbing or whatever, this is a great match between great servers.

And really, can we ask for anything more fun than that? It’s awesome to have the matchings work from time to time, eh?

Decrease the speed to 1.5. Make the use punishments more dangerous to stress the risk/reward value. Minor buff to duration.

So, I have sort of ignored much of the heated argument above but I do want to talk about the match and talk about the talk about the match. So, let’s.

First off, I am from TC. Couldn’t be prouder. But I want to also say that this match up has been one of my favorite. YB is undoubtedly a formidable server with some smart commanders. CD even, for all their probable numbers issue during choice hours, certainly can mount offensives. I think you guys are awesome.

I do at least want to say, at least to talk about tactics, at least for my server. I’m mostly a home borderlands defender. People talk about TC zergs and I do think that’s visible thing from us, probably in Eternal Battlegrounds more. But it’s also because the larger groups do tend to roam fast and move around a lot of the map.

That said, there is delegation. I tend to run northern groups for semi defense, mostly comprised of fast movers that can run supplies or hit and fade smaller groups. And there are dedicated defense builders for choice locations. I have no doubt that this is likely true of the other servers too. Such thing are not always as seen or recognized. All servers have great commanders, duelists, guerrilla squads, and more. I think this is really awesome.

And in terms of tactics, I think there have been smart moves. Some towers given up. Some ignored. Two pronged assaults against realm holdings (I recall a big and really cool two sided attack on TC borderland that left us robbed of both side keeps and left us in a precarious situation at our garrison.

Why am I talking about all this? Well, I suppose part of it is to just talk about the match for me and the server I love. But I also think it is to talk about how much I think that YB and CD also are not only awesome but show some great thinking in the heat of battle.

Loving it all. Love the Coast. Am humbled to be fighting such great opponents.

No. Playing all the classes and learning them does.

Yes. With Maguuma. Or was it SoS? Or maybe SoR? I don’t know. I can’t keep track any more.

ilr.9675:

It definitely looks like TC is being gunned for in this:
http://home.comcast.net/~ill_er/GW/dubscores_4.jpg

TC Borderlands seems to get a lot of action at the late hours, on both fronts. I think it’s exciting. There’s been some good fighting and routs of our forces and the other teams too. Creative sieges and strong defenses. It’s been, really, my ideal notion of WvW and some of the most fun I’ve had.

For the Coast, boys and girls!

As of 8:37:

TC-34,383
YB-31,827
CD-29,613

Some double team action in our borderlands. Smart. But we’ll adjust. Regardless, the next few days will have a lot of flip flopping. CD borderlands seems either locked down or people just don’t care ATM.

Lots of good action so far, although the mesmer portal into our bay (I assume it was that and not magic) was a bit disheartening. Least YB actually made the press on Sharadan. Exciting, even with some pushback currently.

I enjoy matches like this. Where ground really needs to be held and defended and things can swing back and forth between generally equal servers (taking into account differing strategies, coverage times, etc).

A bit disheartened to see some of the back and forth in this thread already. I hope we keep this week’s discussion and, of course, the fighting itself animated but mutually respectful. I have a lot of pride in TC and the general sense of identity we have but I also respect our opponents as capable and canny. I say we enjoy this, all realms, win or lose, and just have a good battle.

Resources. You save money. And war is costly.

Would depend on the match type. For now, 8v8 is probably just on the tip off to large for Conquest. Something like a King of the Hill match or a larger map CTF? Maybe you have the potential for an increase.

The survivor game from Halloween held a considerable number of people compared to sPvP pick up or tourneys because of the game type. Because the mechanics and goals justified the large number of players. Granted, it also normalized people’s HP and abilities.

Decrease speed boost, minor increase to duration if needed. Done. The main issue is the x2 rate more than anything else. For some builds that is excessive.

Similarly, you increase the risk/reward factor. Increase potential incoming damage on warriors to 75%, have Haste both drain a thief’s endurance and make them gain revealed status for the 4s, etc, etc..

It’s Divo. He interrupted and attacked the small couple of SoR that myself and an ally from TC gathered for a small 1v1 dueling circle. So…yeah. I’m from TC and I’m not surprised to see this is him.

First, because he goes down quicker than a sack of doorknobs and secondly because he doesn’t even really face it gracefully.

Not that I have any right to apologize for my server or on behalf of him but if I means anything, I’m sad to see someone from the Coast acting like that.

So, I like talking to folks from the other servers. Most of the time, it’s nice ribbing and you meet some really cool people. Some people were really camping the EB point at the front. And yes, I could have used the side but I fought.

It was fun. Even groups for a bit, though a bit skewed with the cannon and the mortars sort of getting in the way of a clean skirmish. It seemed equal enough. Although there was one guy who hit like a brick.

Tried to talk to some SoR folks in the process. Gotta say that a lot of them were sort of rude compared to SoS and stuff but it was only a few folks. I’m not judging the server. It was fun fighting, until the morning hours (4-5EST) sort of messed with our numbers.

So myself and a few players moved to the side and made a small one v. one fighting club. Serah.5216, xilu.9341: you both are great and represent your server well. Be proud.

Xilu, you got the better of me in a lot of our duels but we can talk about our builds some time in Vent. They’re pretty similar. Serah, quit changing to your alts and confusing me with whispers. You’re level up soon and be a great fighter.

See? Sometimes, it’s the little things.

Fought that spawn zerg long as I could because I love the Coast, and will die for it as much as I need to. But when it’s down to around three versus god knows how many with mortars and stuff…well, I have no issue backing off.

The duels were fun I hope that those SoR people like TC now as much as I like the example they set for their server. (Minus the points I take away for that really rude folk. )

I am sorry that warrior tried to keep jumping in and kill you guys. But you got the hang of him so..lesson learned. Good times, fellas.

Exotic shield. Sold it. Like a boss. Probably should have waited for scarcity but there was demand and I had supply.

Can’t log into WvW right now. That’s happening for other people too? I wanted to leap into TC borderlands and crack some skulls.

This has been an odd week for WvW, the Halloween event and the storms and everything. I’m eager to get back in.

I got the shield…so, the loot’s there. You just need to be lucky. Sold mine. /shrug

It’s only closer to trolling if you have control of the EB puzzle and someone from your own realm is continually sitting off the traps on his own team.

fishergrip.4082:

Score update: no reason to play WvW this week.

Always a reason to fight for the Coast.

Furienify.5738:

TC can do really well against other semi-organized servers. But it doesn’t really want to be high-tier. Some of its members do, but the server as a whole is fairly amateur and, given our brief brushes with some high-tier servers, they don’t want to climb any higher if they can help it. It’s settling into a rhythm of “stomp or be stomped”, which is rather bittersweet.

Triple A to Major League really. Potentially competitive but not quite. Although I think people do sell our commanders and “lieutenants” a bit short. Basically, I think we like where we are at though. T1? Meh. We’ve had some pretty decent matches where we’re at and we never really throw in the towel so it’s always fun at the very least.

Shishi.6729:

You may only pirate talk on the forums if you RP a pirate 100% of the time.

By official decree of Falafelhu the Fabulous

My charr does have a pirate crew….

That be enough fer me ta talk as a scallywag! Now, we’ll be chatting about the keehaul that ArenaaaarrrrrNet’s rulings fer the world fightin’. I still be of the scurvy opinion (and, yes, that be an opinion without vitamin c) that findin’ a way to keep our plunders only in the Worrrld fightin’s ain’t no bad idea a’tall.

Mara.5372:

I’m finding that harder and harder to believe..Sorry. Scores speak louder than forum posts at this point. :\

Except the score is not necessarily indicative of a player’s (or even realm’s) enjoyment or resolve. People are still hitting the bricks after all, so that alone sort of pops the bubble a bit on that one. It only is really is any issue if it starts to affect, say, people’s willingness to pay for upgrades and such.

But that’s about as far as the point count goes since the system as a whole is pretty borked. There has been times when there’s been servers that should not have been going up against us and times when we’ve gone up against servers where it cuts the same way. There’s gotta be some more variables taken into account.

That or you adjust the way WvW actually works beyond the score and server ranks. This would probably be the more ideal thing. Say, dealing with orbs and buffs or potentially making it’s economy and currency self contained. That sort of thing.

Dwok Immortalus.2763:

A lot of the bad blood seems to be because we filled the coordinator role on our previous homes, so when we left it really upset a lot of people on TC and SoS and caused a coordination disruption.

This is a bit self aggrandizing, wouldn’t you say? And not really true. “People are upset at us because they didn’t know what to do when we left”. It’s silly. I can list commanders who did primarily more coordination and I can certainly name guilds that do so as well. I can do it for each specific zone.

Sometimes the easiest answer is the closest to the truth. If we suffered from a major lack of coordination after you left, we wouldn’t have continued to put up the generally solid showings we have.

There’s really one person and one name to blame for bad blood. Beyond that, there’s nothing more to it. Unfortunately, your guild was represented in a poor public manner.

That’s changed though (although I think Xercisis jumped the gun a bit on the defense) so I wouldn’t dwell on it. You’re much better off as you are now than you were, that’s certain.

We’ll fight for our home, like we always have. And now that you’ve found one (and a really cool server too, I might add…), you can too.

PS. I want more pirate talk. Should that just be the default language of these forums or this thread? Can we do that? It’d be pretty awesome.

The only real issue is for anyone with a disability that, say, affects if they can mouse turn. Character models are not an issue, the puzzle and be done by anyone and if you’re careful about camera, you’ll manage.

Xercisis.9768:

I understand you dont want the thread to devolve but you have allready taken it to that level. Throwing insults and then saying lets be civil doesnt fly. Per haps if you had been more civil in the first place we would still be there to help.

BTW no troll, Pink awesome fights so far keep em coming.

Just get in the BL and fight.

There is something of a split claim of leadership then. Because another very cordial individual spoke to me about your guild, how he wanted to clear up misconception and speak with me and some other people, etc. And best of all, he was pretty darn nice about it.

So, forgive me if I would rather take his reasoned discussion over your, I will say, wounded ego. The only thing I’ve said is that the guild has gain a reputation (largely due, I think to your previous guild leader more than anything else; most of the folks in your guild are nice enough) and that there is a trend towards migration.

Nothing more, nothing less. We can talk about that, if you want but you’re going to have to meet me halfway here if we do. The bottom line is that there’s been a lot of jumping. And to my understanding through conversation with other members of your guild not only was the TC bridge burned but there was some issues with SoS as well.

If I have been misinformed, let me know. If not, then there’s not really much more to say, is there? Besides good luck.

I do think that not having a small title for this was a bit silly. It’s not too hard but some people clearly are struggling. It’s like getting to say you climbed a really cool mountain.

In one day and tossing in the towel? Twinbros, you’re so surprising. Wait, that’s a lie. I’m still gonna fight. Might not be the prettiest fight but whatever. I got siege and people to shoot so I’m happy.

As for Defiance, they’ve pretty much earned their tag. RUN. To where? If Ruin is the guild people point when it comes to general bad form, Defiance has long since earned the reputation for flocking one a whim.

That’s my first and only comment on that because I don’t want this thread to devolve. We’ve had good threads before. Last week, we stumbled. Let’s not again.

Kelltick.4170:

2) Reaper’s Rumble

People are getting this to work?

Well, that’s just odd. Also…then why do some people say they have 3/4?

Same here, just finished a game. Was fun. But it’s not granting anything towards the achievement.

I diiidd iiiit!

EDIT: Forgot to put the stats. Charr thief. No boost, ~10 to 12 tries.

Wulfe.8092:

Threads of this nature are invitations for people to “pat their own backs” or take shots at the other servers whether deserved or not.

I’d rather it be seen as a place for mutual complement and shared story telling about exciting moments or something, with some light ribbing. This, I admit, might be a high bar to set on a net forum.

This is a hard term to define and this suggestion might seem less implementable than possible because the general solution for verbal abuse or trolling is to just place the individual on ignore. But let’s posit something a bit more tangible.

Consider someone in the WvW dungeon/jumping puzzle who is using the traps on his own team and then verbally mocking them. Certain “verbal abuse” qualifies and when push comes to shove you can just avoid things if you are savvy. But the general tone and tenure of the behavior is fairly clear.

And while I’m not overly confident that ArenaNet would even take action and I know that the loose definition of that term would potentially lead to fraudulent reports but the report option that we have seems limited in terms of covering certain actions. Some expansion might be needed because this could also apply, say, to any disruption of events or something.

I’m sure other people could expand on this but the bottom line seems that the report option still needs expansion to cover specificity of behavior.

Not worth the crafting. It’s like finding a trick or treat bag. With a crud chance at anything useful.

Ignoring the Signet issue, I will say (and I know people will counter with the argument that this game is meant for PVP) that ArenaNet does not seem to consider the wider effect of changes, not just thieves’, are on the rest of their game.

There are systemic issues to WvW. Ranking system and more. Once these are addressed, this will improve. I’d lay them out but I don’t know if this is the proper place.

Blame the person. We all know who it was, so that’s good. Don’t blame FA across the board. It’s a shame to lose one of our orbs but let’s not point fingers. Let’s just take it back, right?

Still want to keep this match and discussion amiable.