Guild Wars 2

Everyone says that :P
Its usually “Your lyrics are awesome but your singing is awful” (if the comment isn’t a troll comment that is).

Something I forgot to mention, a beta recording is what I do to ensure the new lyrics fit into the song correctly. I don’t even try to sing properly, hence the terrible singing and timings that I got wrong.
I already got people trying to drag me back to GW2, if they succeed I may redo the song properly.

¬¬

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I posted this in the fan-creation area, but figured since it involves us mesmers that I’d post it here too (threads seem dead over in the fan-creation forum).
So, it’s been a good run but here’s where I bail. I tried to lie to myself and say that the nerfs weren’t so bad, but I eventually couldn’t cope with the changes and decided it was best that I throw in the towel.

The beta of a song parody I was working on before I quit Guild Wars 2.

Original Song by Gotye.
Lyrics and (bad) vocals by me.

Based on the November 15th patch which ultimately made me leave GW2 before I could finish this song.

Lyrics

(The Mesmer is singing this part)

Now and then I think of when they were in power
Like when they could take on kitteny groups and not die
Told myself that they were right for me
I found great power in their company
But those were bugs and it’s an glitch I still remember

You can get addicted to a certain kind of exploit
Like unfair combat abilities
And system bugs
So then we found that we had been nerfed down
Had all our bugs burried into the ground
But I’ll admit that I was glad that they had been fixed

But you didn’t have to change our phants
Give them line of sight issues
And reduce them to nothing
I don’t even need their burst
But you treat them like an addon
And it feels so rough
No, you didn’t have to stoop so low
Have our core mechanics ruined
And nerfed our greatsword
I guess that I dont need that though
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know

(This next part is sung by another class, planned to be a theif)

Now and then I think of all the times you screwed me over
You had me believing it was always something that I’d done
But it was a exploit way
And it was just a Bug you say
You said that I should let it go
But the culling made me die to some Mesmer that you used to know!

(Other Class singing ends here, goes back to Mesmer)

But you didn’t have to change our phants
Give them line of sight issues
And reduce them to nothing
I don’t even need their burst
But you treat them like an addon
And it feels so rough
No, you didn’t have to stoop so low
Have our core mechanics ruined
And nerfed our greatsword
I guess that I dont need that though
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Some Mesmer!
Some Mesmer!
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Some Mesmer!
I used to know.
Some Mesmer
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know

I used to know
That I used to know

I used to know
That I used to know

Some Mesmer…

Posted in the Creative area, also posting it here since it has to do with us Mesmers.
Ciao guys, it’s been a good run but the chances were just too harsh. I tried to trick myself into thinking the nerfs and changes weren’t that bad, but the longer I lived with them the more frustrated I got.

The beta of a song parody I was working on before I quit Guild Wars 2.

Original Song by Gotye.
Lyrics and (bad) vocals by me.

Based on the November 15th patch which ultimately made me leave GW2 before I could finish this song.

Lyrics

(The Mesmer is singing this part)

Now and then I think of when they were in power
Like when they could take on kitteny groups and not die
Told myself that they were right for me
I found great power in their company
But those were bugs and it’s an glitch I still remember

You can get addicted to a certain kind of exploit
Like unfair combat abilities
And system bugs
So then we found that we had been nerfed down
Had all our bugs burried into the ground
But I’ll admit that I was glad that they had been fixed

But you didn’t have to change our phants
Give them line of sight issues
And reduce them to nothing
I don’t even need their burst
But you treat them like an addon
And it feels so rough
No, you didn’t have to stoop so low
Have our core mechanics ruined
And nerfed our greatsword
I guess that I dont need that though
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know

(This next part is sung by another class, planned to be a theif)

Now and then I think of all the times you screwed me over
You had me believing it was always something that I’d done
But it was a exploit way
And it was just a Bug you say
You said that I should let it go
But the culling made me die to some Mesmer that you used to know!

(Other Class singing ends here, goes back to Mesmer)

But you didn’t have to change our phants
Give them line of sight issues
And reduce them to nothing
I don’t even need their burst
But you treat them like an addon
And it feels so rough
No, you didn’t have to stoop so low
Have our core mechanics ruined
And nerfed our greatsword
I guess that I dont need that though
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Some Mesmer!
Some Mesmer!
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Some Mesmer!
I used to know.
Some Mesmer
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know

I used to know
That I used to know

I used to know
That I used to know

Some Mesmer…

The beta of a song parody I was working on before I quit Guild Wars 2.

Original Song by Gotye.
Lyrics and (bad) vocals by me.

Based on the November 15th patch which ultimately made me leave GW2 before I could finish this song.

Lyrics

(The Mesmer is singing this part)

Now and then I think of when they were in power
Like when they could take on kitteny groups and not die
Told myself that they were right for me
I found great power in their company
But those were bugs and it’s an glitch I still remember

You can get addicted to a certain kind of exploit
Like unfair combat abilities
And system bugs
So then we found that we had been nerfed down
Had all our bugs burried into the ground
But I’ll admit that I was glad that they had been fixed

But you didn’t have to change our phants
Give them line of sight issues
And reduce them to nothing
I don’t even need their burst
But you treat them like an addon
And it feels so rough
No, you didn’t have to stoop so low
Have our core mechanics ruined
And nerfed our greatsword
I guess that I dont need that though
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know

(This next part is sung by another class, planned to be a theif)

Now and then I think of all the times you screwed me over
You had me believing it was always something that I’d done
But it was a exploit way
And it was just a Bug you say
You said that I should let it go
But the culling made me die to some Mesmer that you used to know!

(Other Class singing ends here, goes back to Mesmer)

But you didn’t have to change our phants
Give them line of sight issues
And reduce them to nothing
I don’t even need their burst
But you treat them like an addon
And it feels so rough
No, you didn’t have to stoop so low
Have our core mechanics ruined
And nerfed our greatsword
I guess that I dont need that though
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Some Mesmer!
Some Mesmer!
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know
Some Mesmer!
I used to know.
Some Mesmer
Now you’re just some Mesmer that I used to know

I used to know
That I used to know

I used to know
That I used to know

Some Mesmer…

It’s a bug. Phantasms are NOT meant to be replaced by clones, however the trait that spawns clones when you dodge roll did remove phantasms. So it seems the bug has gotten worse.

If you think the scepter is a bad tool, trying checking out my video here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPaiEXhe_1M

It can be amazing when used right. And it hits like a truck on low-defence builds (glass cannons get hit for 500 on the first 2 hits, the third hit deals 1k).

Raytek.6193:

How are backstab thieves ruining tournaments then? Because they have burst and you aren’t dodging, using a stun breaker, or have any kind of defense in your build?

Let me stop you right there.
Thieves can kill you with 3 instant cast abilities (a skilled hand could shoot them off in about 2 seconds) from stealth.
You don’t see them coming and the average human mind doesn’t have time to react to them.
You shouldn’t be forced to run a bunker build to avoid dying to thieves — no other glass cannon can open from a stealth and destroy you before you even knew that was coming.
You can always see them coming for you and as such you can prepare yourself.
All this goes out the window against a thief, as I found out and proved (I made a video about it, but due to a problem with my PC I lost the video, so I plan to remake it).

As a Condition Bunker Mesmer I hold a natural advantage over thieves, but if I can’t see it coming then even with my 2.5k armour (in WvW, toughness/condition gear) I can’t tank their damage.
Luckily I have an easy escape tool with my staff 2 ability, which I hit the moment I lose a large chunk of health, and this gets me back into the fight, but the fact that thieves hold this unfair advantage over every other class is the problem.

And for the record, a Toughness Guardian (full toughness/vitil gear, toughness build) got hit with a 21k backstab post-nerf. His health pool was 19k.
You can find his screenshot in the thief forums (anet responded to it, saying they’d look into why BS can now hit so hard).
Now tell me the backstab build isn’t an overpowered mess that needs to be looked into.

I heard about this and all I see it doing is promoting spawn camping, as now you wont ever have to worry about them all respawning at once and rolling over you.
I’ll be staying far away from sPvP now, and only stick with WvW.

I’m probably leaving GW2 for Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn anyway — When a company completely remakes a game that was bad, you KNOW it has to be good.
And with all the bugs, faults, cheap skills and exploits in GW2, they’d probably have to remake the entire thing to fix everything > >

JonathanSharp.7094:

felivear.1536:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Ya….when we designed this, we were thinking that it’s very important to keep “tabs” on the opposing team when you go for an NPC kill on Forest. You want to have 1 “killer” on your team who finishes the NPC while the other people on your team stun/knockback/daze/blind/immobilize/chill/knockdown opponents to keep them from getting the last hit and winning the buff.

I think the idea in theory is great, the only problem is that a thief can go undetected and then stealth/steal/heartseaker in without any knowledge of his whereabouts. So, all of those strategies, imo, are moot for it.

Keep in mind that Thieves can’t just stealth through a trap, or a necro well, or a necro mark, or a Guardian bubble, etc. Thieves should be all about stealth and landing the perfect blow at the perfect time, but I think organized teams have found a LOT of ways to deal with them.

In pub games this is obviously harder to do than in an organized game, so I totally agree with you there.

In all fairness, the timing is a load of BS.
A thief has more than one stealth and all the spells you mentioned don’t linger in the world for long. In fact most of what you mentioned last for less time than a thief Stealth and are on a long cooldown, meaning the enemy team is the one that has to get their timing perfect, not the thief.
To add insult to injury, you need to know when the thief is coming to counter it, but currently due to the way stealth functions and the poor rendering engine the thief would get past you without you even knowing it was in the area.
All skill and timing goes out the window when a thief can stack stealth for 30 seconds (a friend who plays a thief has found a way to do this, although it does leave him considerably weaker than normal) and then sneak past everything.
Call it a fair mechanic all you want, but keep in mind that we were promised no cheap moves. And I’d call this a cheap move.

To the mentally challenged, they are able to actually cap an area (You don’t have to stand in the circle contrary to belief, that only applies to sentries) while remaining invulnerable.

I’ve seen it done before, it makes the place impossible to cap as that somehow counts as being close enough to prevent a cap/cap the place without being that close to the point. Very annoying, luckily the servers we face don’t try this that often or quickly learn that keeping that single camp is a bad idea when we own everything on their map.

Report, send screenshots and move on.

Early mornings my server is outmanned. So I flick on my commanders badge, rally up a zerg and steamroll everything, the outmanned boon actually tricks the enemy into thinking they can beat us only to get out numbered.
That boon doesn’t apply to a single map, it applies to them all.
So you can actually out number the enemy on a map despite being “outmanned!”

Since the latest patch I’ve noticed GW2 crashing a LOT.
Like… I never got crashes, and now it crashes every 10 minutes or so.
I’m in WvW all the time, so maybe something in there is causing GW2 to crash, I dunno :/
But it’s getting annoying.

Condition Bunker

Phase Retreat, Magic Bullet, Confusing Images, Illusionary Counter, iDuelsit, Chaos Storm, Phase Retreat (Chaos Armor), iWarlock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fPaiEXhe_1M#t=618s
If the video doesn’t load a spesific time like it should, skip to 10:18.
While I’m not able to kill the two thieves who get the jump on me, I am able to tank their damage and evade their attacks long enough to escape.
I hope this helps.

Not a single GS Mesmer in my guild (fastest growing WvW guild on the server) has complained about GS being nerfed.
Most of them haven’t even noticed, and only one of them disliked the changes brought in with the patch, and that was the increased portal cooldown.

So it looks like some Mesmers just can’t play the class right or relied too heavily on bugs to win.

Oliver.7201:

Only problem there is how do you deal with inanimate objects? The Mesmer could keep constant pressure on a siege engine or door with no one being able to stop them.

Prevent them from hitting targets that don’t have an AI.

How does an ILLUSIONARY person deal actual damage to a REAL thing?
It’s all meant to be in the mind.

The reason iZerker damage went down was because it went UP depending on how many targets it hits.
Basically if you cast it in a zerg, the last person it hits can be slammed with 10k+ damage if running a power build.
The fix made the iZerker scale normally, the issue is that it now misses a lot due to dodgy LOS

I run a condition bunker build Mesmer and it tops any Necro using the same build.
You can be an effective condition bunker guardian or thief!

Why do people seem to associate builds with classes?

Thora.6428:

TheRamosOnline.2670:

Soooo basically you’re quitting the class because they fixed a bug/exploit?
Alright.

If you feel useless, hanging around waiting for gates to break, why not supply run?
If you’re standing around being useless, you’re being totally useless. Build sieges to break the gate faster, run supplies to build up these sieges.
I can’t believe how many people have felt the need to quit Mesmers because we’ve been FIXED!

Darling, you don’t play mesmer, do you ? If you did you would know what we’re capable of and how do we do it. So prior to posting in this forum get your facts straight. Fixing LOS is 1 thing, reducing damage 60 percent is another (which is not a fix, not even mentioned in the patch notes).

Don’t play Mesmer?

:/

Zamiel.2130:

TheRamosOnline.2670:

Zamiel.2130:

Once again, you’re missing the point. WvW / PvE is gear dependent. Why should we have to spend 25g just to replace our gear so the CB build is viable when the nerf us actually a bug due to the poor LOS algorithm gw2 has? I don’t have a spare 25g. If the output was reduced 15% many would not have cared, but this isn’t the case.

You can get 40g a day easily if you farm in Orr, even without Magic Find.
^^

Why should I? I would have to farm Orr with a bugged glass cannon. The only way this can be fixed is to:

1. Fix the LOS issue. (Not going to happen – it’s been like this since the beta).
2. Reverse the LOS changes. Probably not going to happen.
3. All gear have the same stats (similar to another game that just released a huge content update), thus we can change builds at will to combat their lack of testing. (Not going to happen).

So out of all the points, #2 has the best chance in my opinion.

I had to farm in bad gear to get my better gear.
We all had too. Stop making excuses, otherwise it just looks like you’re a mad kid who thinks everything is handed to him on a silver platter.
You wanna be strong, you work for it. If your build is no longer viable, work towards a build that is.

If Condition Bunker was rendered useless due to a nerf I’d farm gold and karma to rebuild myself. Then again I won’t need to farm gold, I have tons put aside for emergencies.
I’m guessing you didn’t farm for emergency gold and decided to only do WvW?
Typical of the glass cannon stereotype = n=

And then when something changes you blame the game or its devs, not your own laziness.

Sadly not… Just wait until the temples are clear and then look through the armour they sell for ones that have the correct stats.
43,000 Karma each, so it might take a while for you to get them unless you have a solid way of farming Karma.

I do apologize for a low quality video, my PC has died and I’m using an alternative.
Anywho, my goal with this build is to stack up conditions. For me, as weird as this sounds, my burst comes from confusions. So when I get bored of the fight, I’ll shatter and get (using torch) 14 stacks of confusion on the target, which is around 2-2.4k damage per enemy action.

My reason for this is because you do, once and a while, meet players who don’t fall for confusion tricks or just avoid your confusion-dealing abilities. So rather than be shut down due to this, I’m still able to fight back using bleeds and burns.

As for my armour, Orr gear is spread over 5 temples. There’s several sets of gear for each armour rank (Light, med, heavy) and one of said sets has toughness/condition/precision.
Sadly, only 4 parts of this set exist. So I use bog standard Rampager in the chest and boot slots to boost my HP a little.

Zamiel.2130:

Once again, you’re missing the point. WvW / PvE is gear dependent. Why should we have to spend 25g just to replace our gear so the CB build is viable when the nerf us actually a bug due to the poor LOS algorithm gw2 has? I don’t have a spare 25g. If the output was reduced 15% many would not have cared, but this isn’t the case.

You can get 40g a day easily if you farm in Orr, even without Magic Find.
Putting that aside, this video was main demonstrating that Torch is now viable.
As someone else mentioned, I could have finished that Guardian a lot quicker and maybe even killed that Ranger had I had a Pistol offhand, but I like The Prestige a lot for the stealth, as it acts as a target dump.
That gives me 3 target dumps, making it easier to hide among my clones.
As I said in the other thread, I do now acknowledge the changes to Greatsword and Phantasms (phants not spawning due to being blocked or missing) as a considerable nerf that was uncalled for, however I still don’t have much of a reason to oppose the LoS changes, I just wish they’d fix the LoS bugs before changing skills to rely on LoS.
^^

Rather than individually send this video to everyone who wanted to see how Torch has been made viable in PvP I thought I’d just post it here.
A Pistol would have given me more to work with, but I can’t deny that the extra stealth has saved my life a few times.

If you’re interested in my build then check out my “Learn to Condition Bunker” video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPaiEXhe_1M

Actually, now I’ve gone over it again, I think you deserve to see this comic;
http://www.twogag.com/comics/2012-09-19-TGAG_202_The_Breakthrough.jpg

I don’t rely on Phantasms for much other than extra damage, but I can see how the changes have severely crippled the ability to spawn them.
I always open the fight with a phantasm in PvP, so I’m normally not blinded at that time, thats why I never noticed an issue.

SabreWalrus.8647:

I personally hope that PS gets smashed by the French on reset and that a heavy defeat will make all the fairweathers go away.

We have not been having a good time in WvW the past few days. It’s getting to the point of being more stress than it’s worth. Some of my guild members are getting really burnt out.

Even with commander badge asking people to get on me, it takes 10 mins for people to get where they’re needed and set up a treb on cliff to take out Overlook trebs. Unfortunately for you AM, your guys on mortars and trebs seemed to be awful aims so once my treb was FINALLY up I took out 2 mortars and 4 trebs with mine left on a sliver of health. If AM guys hadn’t missed so many shots it would’ve gone horribly. This is but an example of the mess on Piken EB at the moment. It was not like this even a few days ago. It’s plummeting.

I am expecting us to get steamrolled in the next tier up.

I noticed it too.
Something happened a few days ago and either Piken suddenly got bad or AM suddenly got their night cappers back, because for a few days in a row we’ve lost everything come morning. That didn’t happen last week or most of this week.
x.x

Aaaah, a nice non hostile comment.
<3

I’d have to admit, I never tried glass cannon but I knew the GS could dish out some insane burst on a power build (saw a GS Mesmer down someone in 2 hits; Skill 3 and 2 without clones. It was a thief, and we were puzzle camping a certain server).
So I assumed GS was the Glass Cannon weapon.
When I thought of the Mesmer, I never thought of someone who kills foes in seconds then is left defenseless for a minute or 2 while waiting for cooldowns, I pictured a long lasting class that gains an advantage over time, as the foe is slowly rendered insane by the illusions of the Mesmer.
Someone who always has a ‘Get Out Of Jail’ card when things get rough but can lay down the hurt if you fight them for too long (like the sanity meter from Amnesia).

ddoi.9264:

TheRamosOnline.2670:

I’m just gonna say this.
I still destroy anything that dares come near me in PvP. So either I’m doing something right or you’re doing something very, very wrong.
Even the other glass cannon mesmers in the guild can destroy enemies in seconds, with these apparent nerfs in place.

The discussion ends there, as I am able to pump out endless streams of videos demonstrating this rendering any attempt at calling us nerfed husks of our former selves useless and ironic.

Please show a vid of you farming with scepter/torch/staff you love so much. Or don’t have to farm, just do a few events around orr. Maybe a dungeon or two as well.

No, this is not sarcasm, I’m genuinely interested. I’ve been running a knight’s/valkyrie mixed gear greatsword mesmer for damage and survivability, and I’m already feeling the nerfs heavily. My izerker gets obstructed by every little rock/shrub/tree/smallest elevations that hide the feet of my target(that seems to be the line of sight requirement; doesn’t matter if you can see their head, arms, torso, legs…you must see the feet).
You’ve shown so much confidence and conviction in your condition bunker build that I want to see if it is more efficient than what I was doing, especially since I have another lvl80 mes built completely on condition damage and it was nowhere near efficient in just normal PvE stuff, let alone farming.

That’s someone else running with a condition build very similar to my one.
I’ll be trying to make some videos myself since last video I only used Scepter Pistol.

I’ve just got back from turning the EB 2/3’s to my server, not once did I ever have an issue with spawning Phantasms. I did notice a huge ‘Non-Threat’ iZerkers now posed but I think that’s purely because of that bug that causes it to miss half the time.
But yeah, I had iMages and iWarlocks up without any problems at all.

To those who still don’t grasp some things, Anet SAID they were going to nerf burst on the whole, as fights were ending too quickly. Greatsword, whether you like it or not, is a Burst-based weapon for every class that can wield it. So expect GS Glass Cannon Mesmers to be far weaker now.
And hopefully this means that other unique builds will show up.

And I assume people PvP because GW2 is, like its predecessor, a PvP-based game, whether or not you want to admit that. WvW is the ‘endgame’ content right now. Sure there’s some PvE, but really who does PvE after hitting 80 other than to get gear skins (or gear if they’ve just dinged) and to farm gold?

Actually, try fighting back in Moa/Tuna form.
They changed the skills and you can now still fight back when transformed.
Glass Cannons can sometimes find their damage increased.

I’m just gonna say this.
I still destroy anything that dares come near me in PvP. So either I’m doing something right or you’re doing something very, very wrong.
Even the other glass cannon mesmers in the guild can destroy enemies in seconds, with these apparent nerfs in place.

The discussion ends there, as I am able to pump out endless streams of videos demonstrating this rendering any attempt at calling us nerfed husks of our former selves useless and ironic.

I should check my stats, really. All I checked was my toughness as I’m a Condition Bunker.
I’m also waiting for an Arcane Thievery fix :v

plasmacutter.2709:

Hold up, you do know Chaos Storm isn’t effected by blind and provides the same support as Phantasms do, right?

If you like taking a NAP between chaos storms. Unfortunately those bosses and the more synergistic trash packs won’t wait for you to wake up before resuming their efforts to pound your group into dust.

Soooo don’t stand in the obvious area that the boss is about to smash a condition into?
You’re not painting yourself in the brightest of purples right now, you know.

I just can’t believe how people are complaining about all this, it’s like people here have nothing better to do than complain.
No mesmer I know in game is complaining at all. Tell a lie, one of them was let down by Portal’s extended cooldown.
And most of them are actually glass cannons, mind you. They still face roll pretty hard.

plasmacutter.2709:

If I wanted conditions I’d have started with necro and STAYED in necro.

If you wanted glass cannon, why didn’t you go thief or warrior?

Godmoney.2048:

Leeach.3547:

Here rest the www Mesmer. It did have a fun life but in the end Anet did get the upper hand. The AOE nerf where just to much and it is with us no more.

LOL, I hope all these band wagon mesmer leave the class.

Mesmer barely got touched. The LOS issues were cheese and if you relied on that then you already failed.

If anything I’m glad to see the torch being worked on. Now just make the flame blast first and the blind second. Also let us end the prestige when we want to and not wait for the whole channel.

You have to suck to complain about these balances.

EXACTLY MAH POINT!
Brofist, my mesbrah.

No Mesmers I know in game are complaining about the changes, they just adapted their build to the changes and continue to face roll.

Yes, and when your style hits a bump on the road?
“DRHAURRH NOW PLAYSTYLE NO WORK!”

Ever think of changing it to something else without making an excuse or complaining?
It’s like evolution in the game; those who learn to adapt survive, those who don’t are doomed.

Yes, it interrupts. Most of those aren’t fully instant cast, they’re on a 3/4 or 1 second cast timer, which can be interrupted.
:/
Although everyone knows Guardians are OP in terms of support and healing, so I hardly think comparing them to Mesmers which actually need some form of a working brain is fair.

And you do know Chaos Storm isn’t effected by blind and provides the same support as Phantasms do, right?

Seraph.8293:

Not to feed the fire of this tangent, but that heartseeker “nerf” was pretty universally panned as being ineffective.

It’s the mechanic behind HS itself that needs to change, not the damage.
If you’re low health it does insane damage. Stupid advice; don’t get to low health when facing a D/D thief.
Pop heals earlier in a thief fight than you normally might. Abuse the fact that he can’t change direction midcast and force him to hit your clones (I hope you took the dodge-roll clone generation).
Its tricky, but can be done :P

Just stop thinking of iZerker as being your damage and think of it as being your control.
iZerker to stop a target from getting to you quickly then backpeddle as you cast GS1, GS2 as they get into stage 2 range for GS1, maybe a GS3 to rip a boon, use GS5, roll back, repeat.

Glass Cannon is no longer “USE GS4 EVERY TIME ITS UP”.

Hildebert.4196:

TheRamosOnline.2670:

I agree that all builds need to be viable and I wont deny that this has hard glass cannons, but keep in mind that all glass cannons across the board, regardless of class, have been Ninja-nerfed.

Heartseeker wasn’t touched.

Heartseeker was nerfed weeks ago.

plasmacutter.2709:

1) Please let me know what abilities I had as a mesmer that I could SPAM to prevent guardians from ever being able to CAST GS3 (spin 2 win).

2) Please let me know what abilities I had as a mesmer that I could SPAM to prevent guardians from using group-utilities like “save yourselves” , “symbols”, or “wards”.

1) Magic Bullet, Temporal Curtain, GS Skill 5 (name?), Feedback

2) Magic Bullet, Temporal Curtain, GS Skill 5 (name?)

Do you even know the class you’re playing?

plasmacutter.2709:

TheRamosOnline.2670:

Maybe now the nub Mesmers will leave for other cheap classes.
Gettin’ real tired of the bads crying over FIXES!

yes, we’re “bads” for pointing out how fundamentally this harms our core mechanics.

so we now have no clone generation vs opponents who know how to chain evasion, no skills which can pick people off at any meaningful elevation difference due to LOS glitches, no viable aoe due to clone generation and LOS issues, and the remaining issues which were pre-existing with the mesmer profession wrap it all up in a nice bow.

Anyone who doesn’t see the absurdity of these changes and how horrifically they will hurt mesmer’s core play has Stockholm syndrome.

Clones spawn by merely being in combat and using a clone generation spell.
Phantasms are the ones in which the spell needs to make contact to generate a Phantasm.

So you don’t even seem to grasp what you’re arguing about.
Bads.

Any player who can chain evasion can counter every class’ core mechanic, Mesmer was the black sheep and was uncounterable. This has fixed that problem.
Dodge away from Hundred Blades, you just rendered the Warrior core mechanic of burst damage useless.
Move out of Meteor Storm, oh dear you ruined an Ele’s core mechanic.
Break an Engineers turret, oh nooooo, core mechanic ruined.

Phantasms would always get off one attack before the enemy could even see them, this has fixed the problem.
Fixed the problem.
Fixed.

plasmacutter.2709:

Except there was no patch which handed EVERYONE about 6 different ways to “counter” anyone else’s core mechanic. “counter” is also too weak a word. I believe the phrase is “permanently nullify”. Mesmers are not the tankiest class, but even in my build I can chain evasion ridiculously. Let’s think about what a guardian or a thief could do?

Because every class had about 6 ways to counter everyone elses core mechanics from RELEASE, Mesmers were the black sheep. You couldn’t counter their phantasm generation, meaning no matter what you did you’d have Phantasms on you.
It made iZerker double OP because you couldn’t dodge its first attack.

I’m actually amazed at this, it’s like you’re trying to find things to complain about on purpose.

I agree that all builds need to be viable and I wont deny that this has hard glass cannons, but keep in mind that all glass cannons across the board, regardless of class, have been Ninja-nerfed.

If you assign a build to a class then you’re doing it wrong and should really leave GW2.
Condition Bunkers are very powerful on a Mesmer.

If I used the same logic: if I wanted to be a Glass Cannon I’d roll a BS Thief or a 5 Signet Warrior.

aaron.7850:

Stop being a baby, our class dominates in PVP, they only fixed a blatant BUG and increased our portal CD.

I am proud of my class and regardless of changes, I will adapt and play to the best of my ability

Here. I found a Frig to give you. It’s my last one, take care of it my Hero!

But in seriousness, real Mesmers will adapt to any change thrown at us. We rolled this class because we LOVE this class, not because we have cheap skills. You can tell who rolled Mesmer for the cheapness of the class by who complains about BUG FIXES!

I salute you, aaron o>

plasmacutter.2709:

If I want a condition bunker build I’ll roll a necro.

I play mesmer for the greatsword.

And no, I don’t play glass cannon, I play a well-rounded support build focusing on anti-projectile, kiting, and lockdown, and this patch HURTS me badly.

The berzerker issue is not even the tip of the iceberg.

These toolsheds seem to forget phantasms are far more than just damage for mesmers:

They’re a source of group buffs like regeneration and group utilities like projectile block/reflect.

They’re a fully-fledged resource used for utility spells like distortion and diversion.

These toolshed devs who took over for the REAL mesmer dev on holiday decided it would be perfectly ok for anything that blinds or evades to gut our core class mechanics and resources, and cost us a minimum of 1 attack and 2 utility spells for each evasion, block, invulnerability, or blind, and to make it impossible in PVE to put up one of our most potent projectile reflects while the target is invulnerable.

See that Necromancer AoE that applies conditions? See how its a good resource for damaging multiple targets and acts as a class mechanic? See how Null Field shreds it apart rending it useless?

Every class BUT the Mesmer could have their “core mechanic” countered.
And if you’re running a GS Mesmer for “anti-projectile, kiting, and lockdown” then why the heck are you complaining about an iZerker damage nerf?

Me and the other 3 Mesmers who can’t find frigs to give about this patch don’t like Bowling. We prefer Butterfly watching.

Raksha.8049:

They ninja nerfed iZerkers damage and another damage nerf to Mage.

Actually they nerfed burst damage as a whole.
Thieves in Goodgame report a 3k drop in Backstab damage too.

Maybe now is a good time to stop using an overused Glass Cannon build.

Condition Bunker feels more like a Mesmer anyway.

Now, is it just me or are those complaining about the changes to Mesmers running a Glass Cannon build?
It can’t be just me who has noticed.

I run a Condition Bunker build (See here >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPaiEXhe_1M ) with a Staff and Scepter/Pistol, since the patch I’ve swapped pistol out for Torch and have yet to go back to pistol in fights I know are going to be AoE heavy.
I’ve hardly noticed the ‘Nerf’ all the other Mesmers are crying about.

Portal – I never used this anyway. Blink is far better in my opinion, no need to set it up before a fight and no chance of it failing due to ticking over its first cooldown.

Moa Morph – I’m glad it’s been changed from an iWin button to a “I have hindered you” skill. Usable underwater can help make escape easy, pop it on an enemy player as you reach land and they’ll be a tuna for 10 seconds, rendering them unable to get onto dry land letting you get a 10 second head start on running away.

Phants now cast as normal attacks – A needed change. People keep crying about how Phantasms are a part of our class and by making them miss or get blocked (and need LoS) they’ve essentially made our core mechanic blockable. Uh… Hello? If you dodge roll away from Hundred Blades, a melee based attack, you have just avoided a Warriors core mechanic (melee burst). If you leave the Meteor Storm area, you’ve just ruined an Elementalists Core Mechanic. This change was needed, we are now on par with every other class.

Torch Buffs – Love it. Put a torch on last night, never looked back at my pistol. The burst from TP is great, the 3 stacks of confusion mean I can keep a target confused for half the fight without needing to use Confusing Images or Cry of Frustration. I’ll probably swap to Pistol in smaller fights, but as a Commander in WvW, I’m always leading a zerg into another zerg. The Priestage has made that all the more fun!

There’s been a nerf to burst damage as a whole, thieves are finding their backstab hitting for 3k less, GS mesmers are finding iBeserker is doing feeble damage, etc.
For us Mesmers, iBeserker applies secondary effects. You use that to slow down an enemy to stop people running away or to prevent yourself from being kited. The damage it gives is a bonus.
It’s like if Hundred Blades applied bleed and vulnerability every time it made contact. Damage had to be lowered to balance the secondary effects it applied. It’ll still ruin someone who ignores it, but at a slower rate.
It missing is likely a bug, but I think the damage was intended.

So it’s not the end of the World for Mesmers. Stop crying over fixes, the game is new and they have other things to worry about such as Necromancers being a broken mess.

Scepter/Torch is now king of my arsenal.
If I can get some videos up, I will.

It’s aimed at people who love torches. I, for one, loved the concept behind torches for Mesmers, and this buff makes it viable on the same level as pistol and focus for me.
I hit 1k when emerging from TP to nearby players in WvW running a Condition Bunker build, not to mention the lovely burn.
And the iMage now applies 3 stacks of confusion on a 6 second cooldown, meaning I can keep my enemy confused half the fight without having to use Confusing Images or shatter my clones.

Torch is now properly viable as a weapon choice.

Portal, on the other hand, needed a nerf. They couldn’t nerf the distance so they nerfed the cooldown. Now this essentially wastes a space on your Utility bar for 90 seconds which should turn people who use it to annoy others away from the spell.
We may see the CD reduced in the future, maybe with Portal having a cast time where the Mesmer has to stand still to cast both sides of the portal.

For now, be glad we’ve been fixed and stop crying over a single nerf to the Mesemer class.

Zamiel.2130:

I run a glass cannon build, which now is a glass pee-shooter.

Now stop and think for a second.
Anet did announce that they’d be nerfing burst in the long run and although you cant see it in the patch notes every class is complaining about doing less damage.
What does this mean?

Glass Cannons are now less viable, opening the way for other builds to emerge.
Now would be a good time to remix your build if you want to stay a glass cannon, or become a real Mesmer and run a Condition Bunker like me. <3