Guild Wars 2

If you are not already, see a professional about your depression. It will help a lot, I can guarantee.

Best of luck to you Be strong.

lordkrall.7241:

People need to understand that you can’t just press a button and stuff magically work.
It is quite likely that it will have issues due to changes made since it was last available. Which would require fixing. Which would require taking manpower away from the expansion and such would potentially mean delaying work on said expansion.

You need to understandd that you know as little as we do, unless you have worked on GW2 code or are a member of Anet’s staff. So yeah, bringing back old content might be as simple as pressing a magic button or take several guys weeks to test it thoroughly. We both don’t know, but you keep going with the assumption that fits your agenda and state it as a fact.

lordkrall.7241:

And would anyone here actually accept a reply that said: “No we can’t add it right now due to lack of resource?”
I find that rather unlikely.

I would too so you failed yet another attempt at crystalballing, but thanks for playing

Cbomb some people think they are the forum moral arbiters and will not shut their mouth about threads they deem unworthy of existance. So naturally, being self-righteous and all, they’ll post over and over with the sole purpose of derailing , flamebaiting and subtly name calling posters (reducing 38 pages of a thread to a “bunch of childs raging and whining”) instead of minding their own business and discussing what they actually like.

That being said I’ll once again add my voice of dissent to the thread because I was really looking for a reason to fire up GW2 again and revisiting SAB would’ve been a great excuse.

Is it an Alienware?

I’m sorry, I’m not really in the know about USD salaries but thanks for the clarification!

Which money? The 50k USD total prize pool for a World Tournament? That’s like 2 extra employees…

Pretty sure LoL has way more players now then when it first came out, just to make another example

Edit: oh, and EVE online.

Oh and Skyrim too now that I checked steamcharts.com (did that to prevent people from going the B2P vs Subscription route).

Galen Grey.4709:

Now in Gw2 there is no content where you will fail unless you have people 100% focused on support but there is still a benefit to having support so why should someone who enjoys playing support give it up just cause it is not the most efficient way of doing things (which is debatable to be honest… in some circumstances having a mix of damage and support can boost damage to high levels then having just everyone focused on damage)

To be honest it’s not debatable. Since gear doesn’t affect damage avoidance (blinds, reflects, dodges, blocks) and isn’t effective in damage reduction (most bosses will still 2-shot you in tanky gear) and on top of that classic zerk meta builds can mantain 25 stacks o’ might without +boon duration your effectiveness can only go down if someone focuses on supporting/tanking.

Not that I like the system, but eh, just nitpicking.

The meta exists for a reason.

No matter what Arenanet does, perfect balance is unachievable and a good chunk of players will always go for the fastest/easiest way to clear content. Understandably they want to play with like-minded individuals (the majority apparently, since the zerk only parties are really common).

Understandably again not everyone cares about min/maxing and would like to build their character however they wish (no matter how bad it is) and for those I encourage again like minded individuals/guilds.

I see no reason why the two playstyles shouldn’t coexist.

Git gud scrubs, I soloed lv1 fractals with one hand!

Yeah gotta love the ability to complete the dungeons with less people. In most traditional MMOs not having a tank or a healer automatically makes completing dungeons impossible, no matter how good you are. Too bad it’s really unrewarding but I suppose if the rewards were increased we would see plenty of people kicking others near the end.

Fun off topic fact: all the arguments made in this page in defense of the accusation of cash-grabbing could be made to defend the infamous Dungeon Keeper (mobile).

On topic: yay stuff

Aedelric.1287:

Wolfheart.1938:

Really? I don’t remember that at all.

Then you perhaps have a selective memory.

And perhaps you are lying and would rather go ad hominem instead of providing evidence, because you have none. See I can play that game too.

Aedelric.1287:

Do not forget Guild Wars 2 was marketed as casual friendly

Really? I don’t remember that at all. Skill based, non-trinity, non-grindy…these were the words used in pre-launch GW2 articles and ads. As far as I know Arenanet never stated that they were focusing on one crowd in particular.

Even the moving one would be.

Q:“And what if someone gets instagibbed while using it?”
A: You can make them jump to 3rd as soon as they get aggroed, or just shrug as it’s their fault.

The details of the implementation are up to the devs,and I’m sure they can manage to implement a feature that adds to the game and has no drawbacks (as shown by many other games). Again it boils down to how much effort it would take for them to add it versus the benefits for the whole playerbase or in short: priorities.

And I totally understand them saying that their priorities are others, maybe the implementation is technically difficult, or the portion of the playerbase that would use it too small. Reasonable.

I can’t however understand why people would make up excuses like “it’s against the game design principles” (that applies for other issues but definitely not here) or “stupid people would do stupid things!” in an attempt to justify the lack of a feature as something good.

Zaklex.6308:

Wolfheart.1938:

See my signature.

Basically the feature has no drawbacks but since it requires too much effort for little gain it’s not planned/being worked on.

Any other reason is probably an excuse.

It has quite a few drawbacks when in combat…whether that’s in PvE, WvW or PvP, that’s the primary reason it’s not in the game…regardless of what you think. That’s why it wasn’t in at release and why it won’t be added, we asked about it before release, before Beta even and that was the answer.

Excuse.

It’s not a drawback. You don’t use it during combat, as everyone has stated in this thread (even OP himself).

I know of a number of games that offer you POVs not meant to be used during combat (DOTA2 and Star Citizen, for example). The reason we don’t have it is because there might be technical hurdles and whatnot, and it’s not generally a high priority.

See my signature.

Basically the feature has no drawbacks but since it requires too much effort for little gain it’s not planned/being worked on.

Any other reason is probably an excuse.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Those customers who have not played in a while and come to speak their opinions about why they aren’t coming back are probably ones that Anet should be closely listening to: especially as more and more customers are falling into this category.

If Anet were to ban anyone from posting, it would be better to ban those who defend Anet no matter what actions Anet takes. It’s (ironically) these people who hurt the game far more than those the OP wants to ban.

Right, so you have a list there of people who do that? Even Vayne isn’t that way.

I do. One opened this thread for example. Others I won’t name, but I don’t understand why you can’t wrap your mind around the idea that just as some people are too harsh on GW2/ANet others are too… shall we say forgiving? I mean,if there were people siding with the developers of “games” so bad they were taken out of Steam one would take for granted a similar behaviour with an actually good product such as GW2.

On-topic: the suggestion would take away my ability to post as I logged in last time around december 2013 (just fyi) and while I don’t particularly care (I mostly read) I think it would be unfair for a number of reasons already mentioned. If you so much care for a healthy forum I’d say lets start banning people whose post history is mostly dismissive one-liners (one likes to hang around SAB threads) or pictures of dead horses because they are just as useful as “the sky is falling” crowd.

And then don’t answer when I call out you on flawed logic.

Vayne.8563:

SAB threads are what exactly? Anet said right now it’s not coming back, during this season of the living story. That’s all they’re going to say. There’s no need for more communication on this. If people don’t want to accept it, there’s nothing anyone can do. That’s the decision.

I would like to hear what’s the reason for it not coming back for a year or more. And no, don’t parrot me the “doesn’t fit into the LS narrative” that was said in the infamous interview because we are in the middle of a 2 months+ LS break and simply flipping the SAB switch on would take a programmer 2 minutes. I’m also certain I’m not the only one that would welcome such communication.

I think this is a legitimate, although non-top-priority concern and I’m irritated by your attempt at downplaying it. You may have no need for further communication but kindly speak for yourself next time. Thanks.

Vayne.8563:

Sure I can teach. I’m not the problem. I wouldn’t be using recount.

The problem is (and this is a problem most people seem to not acknowledege) is that the hard core community remains a small percentage of games, because the hard core community isn’t welcoming in general.

There are plenty of people who don’t know what to do in a dungeon, try a dungeon get yelled at and kicked and never get back. (I rewrote the next sentence six times to not get infracted lol).

The people who do this are their own worst enemies because they chase off potential players who might one day be like them through lack of patience. Then they complain no one knows how to play the game.

The tool set provided for any game shouldn’t encourage people to treat other people like this.

If recount existed I would be using it and I don’t see how that would make me “part of the problem”.

First of all hardcore doesn’t mean elitist, minmaxer doesn’t mean kittenbag. Second of all I refuse to acknowledge your problem given that two of the most succesful games ever (Dota2 and LoL) are hardcore in nature and have extremely toxic communities.

Not that I condone yelling at newbies. Or at anyone, really.

maddoctor.2738:

Hunter.4783:

Guild wars 1 started in 2005, by this time (2 years later) we had 4 more classes, tripled the game size, and huge amounts of regular and endgame content were added.

Guild wars 2 feels almost identical to what it was like in release.

Farming cursed shores? Check
Same old WvW? Check
Running the same dungeons? Check
Fractals? Oh wow, finally! something new. too bad it has been beaten to death for over a year now.

Let’s make a more detailed comparisson of dungeons:

Let’s have even more detail and bring time into the equation!

The following timeline only ignores Tixx, Halloween and Canach “dungeons” and the AC revamp. X indicate months where new dungeon content gets released, – indicate months without them. Starts at release (28 August 2012) ends Nov 2014.

<—-X-2013—-X-X——X-2014—————?>

Also lets consider that the biggest chunk of new dungeons is the first X and you can see why many people claim (although incorrectly) that GW2 dungeons are “like at launch”.

Kaz.5430:

Out of interest, what’s wrong with the existing GvG area that was specially created in Obsidian Sanctum?

I don’t GvG so I wouldn’t actually know the details, but one problem would be that it’s too easy to disrupt.

@Gosu: maybe I need to clarify. When people complain about the lack of official GvG referring to the name a sizeable chunk of people point them to the fact that the name “Guild Wars” derives in-fiction historical events. What they don’t get is that those historical events where written that way just to accomodate for the actual GvG.

GOSU.9574:

It’s 2 years beyond time that this guild wars game have guild wars.

I find it absolutely SHAMEFUL there is no legitimate, authorized GvG.

Inb4 people tell you to read the lore, as if the lore wasn’t made to fit the game but vice-versa.

Vayne.8563:

Mizenhauer.6713:

Frankly raids would be better without the treadmill. I really loved wow and the raids, but never liked how the gear upgrades made prior raids pointless, save for small group fun. That was alleviated somewhat by their introduction of a wardrobe equivalent, breathing some life and purpose into those dusty raids. But it was still trivialized by virtue of stat increases. That can only happen to a certain extent here (assuming ascended is the end, but I wouldn’t be surprised if jewel crafters are eventually given the task of crafting infusions as a tiny bit of vertical progression). Here, a raid couldn’t die. It would, at worst, become something g tk be blown through, like the dungeons here. I’m very curious about these ai changes that have been worked on. Learning the boss dance is fun, but it would be interesting if the bosses were able to respond accordingly.

I think a lot of people raided because of the treadmill though. WIthout that loot motivation I don’t think most people would do it.

Take a dungeon like TA Aetherblade path. Reward isn’t enough, people don’t do it. That’s how raiding draws in so many people. It’s the only way to get what you want.

I know a lot of people who did raiding to get stuff but didn’t enjoy it.

I think a lot of people raided because of the enjoyable content though. Generally speaking I know a lot of people who confirm my point, including my son and my wife.

Take TA Aetherblade, people don’t play it so clearly the only reason for that is its rewards.

Sigh.

But Dungeons are PvE. I think you meant open world uses, at which point I’d argue that damage is the only thing that matters 99% of the time because it’s easy.

As for the jumping puzzle help, I don’t play a thief so I don’t know for sure but doesn’t their 5th skill basically allow you to teleport from platform to platform?

I think OP didn’t intend this thread to be about all endgame content but only about dungeon content because that is what he likes the most. Is that correct dlonie?

Hamfast.8719:

Wolfheart.1938:

They are extremely good for closing or creating gaps in PvP, and also a good escape mechanism in WvW.

Okay… I suppose I should have specified PvE, sorry. Any reason I should ever equip a teleport skill in PvE?

It really depends on the encounter you are facing and the skill in question. Monsters don’t kite so their usefullness is greatly diminished as far as gap closing goes, and you generally don’t need to kite them either so you generally don’t want to create gaps. However, Guardian’s 2nd sword skill still remains pretty useful for the “spammable” blind, while the other teleports generally work nicely to escape an AoE circle or a mob when you can’t time a dodge or don’t have any left. The only one you should never use outside SPvP is Necrotic Transversal, imo.

Can’t give you any specific examples though, my memory sucks

They are extremely good for closing or creating gaps in PvP, and also a good escape mechanism in WvW.

Here, have my wisdom complete with statistic.

For people that joined past Nov 26th 2013 (fractal update patch) there have been no new dungeons for almost 9 months. Since the next content patch is in early November, for them, at best, it will be almost a year without a new dungeon.

For people that joined past Nov 16th 2012, there have only been 6 new dungeon paths added (Mai Trin Boss battle, Aetherblade fractal, Molten Fractal, Molten Boss battle, Thaumanova Reactor, TA Aetherpath). And that is being generous and considering how TA Aetherpath replaced a previous path and bestowing the title of “dungeon path” to single boss fights. Then again I’m not counting AC revamp because I really wouldn’t know if that counts as new or not. So we’re talking, give or take a few, 6 new dungeon paths in, at best, 1 year 11 months.. I remember this thing called Dungeon Team, where did it go?

Basically what I’m getting at is that Kaz had selective temporal amnesia and forgot that the bulk of new dungeon content was introduced very early on (9 dungeon paths with the original Fractal release 2 months after release) and that after that development on that front has been slowing down month after month. And that would be imo a more reasonable explanation as to why people say that no new dungeons have been added (although I doubt many intend it literally), but I understand it’s always easier to claim that dissatisfied people are a “vocal minority” of “unreasonable haters”.

The following timeline only ignores Tixx, Halloween and Canach “dungeons” and the AC revamp. X indicate months where new dungeon content gets released, – indicate months without them. Starts at release (28 August 2012) ends Nov 2014.

<—-X-2013—-X-X——X-2014—————?>

Seen the problem already?

anzenketh.3759:

Wolfheart.1938:

Galen Grey.4709:

grrr you people, I still have alts to level up but you people are going to make start yet another alt to try this out!

Don’t worry I can help you. I still think it’s mostly bad with a few good changes here and there.

Then again I dislike a lot the linear hand-holding gameplay standard for most AAA games these days.

If you could explain what you think is hand-holding they could improve it to make it less so.

Nah this thread is for stating opinions so I stated mine. I’ll get into details in a thread for discussing.

Galen Grey.4709:

grrr you people, I still have alts to level up but you people are going to make start yet another alt to try this out!

Don’t worry I can help you. I still think it’s mostly bad with a few good changes here and there.

Then again I dislike a lot the linear hand-holding gameplay standard for most AAA games these days.

@OP:

I may have worded the question aggressively but I was honestly curious about the answer, y u no answer me

rapthorne.7345:

Wolfheart.1938:

Zoid.2568:

With more PC games releasing on console, I think GW2 would do very good on console. Look at Diablo 3 or Destiny. Those two games are so kitten good on console. Diablo 3 on PC was pretty boring, played Diablo 2 on PC years ago, but Diablo 3 on playstation is so kitten good. I’m sure GW2 would do magnificent on console.

What is the “benefit” of playing a game on a console rather than on a PC? A different control device? You can use those with PCs too, just so ya know.

P.s. Destiny is a shooter, shooters suck without mouse.

A wider audience.

I’m a hardcore PC gamer, but there can be no denying the console gamer population is far larger

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My enjoyment of a game isn’t directly correlated to how many copies it has sold. In fact, I couldn’t care less. The OP is not suggesting how Anet could expand on the console market for economic reason (which I could totally understand), he is openly stating that GW2 (and other games) are better on console. I was just wondering why he thinks that.

Zoid.2568:

With more PC games releasing on console, I think GW2 would do very good on console. Look at Diablo 3 or Destiny. Those two games are so kitten good on console. Diablo 3 on PC was pretty boring, played Diablo 2 on PC years ago, but Diablo 3 on playstation is so kitten good. I’m sure GW2 would do magnificent on console.

What is the “benefit” of playing a game on a console rather than on a PC? A different control device? You can use those with PCs too, just so ya know.

P.s. Destiny is a shooter, shooters suck without mouse.

Well I am there you go.

We don’t have numbers so our certainties or lack thereof don’t really matter much.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Really, though, there’s no target on Vayne’s back at all. After all he doesn’t get topics started or posts left just to be about him being “sekret aNet emplyee”.

And why do you think that is? That is called having a reputation, it doesn’t demonstrate that said reputation is unreasonable nor persecution.

I for one think he’s often dishonest (“I don’t remember your examples from 2 minutes ago” – Well scroll up the gosh darn page maybe?), doesn’t mean I would vote something I don’t think just to spite him.

Besides, Vayne having a bad reputation doesn’t invalidate or meaningfully affect a poll with 1 thousand votes.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Ashen.2907:

Up to 81% of respondents not happy/ok with the patch. The margin for the negative score seems to be growing over time with additional responses.

Honestly, I would answer the poll positively but I don’t see the point. Everyone is going to see what they want to see. If it shows positive, it’s because Vayne constructed the poll wrong. If it’s negative in any fashion, then it shows the majority of all players hate the changes and want them banished to the seventh layer of the Abyss to have spiders eat their eyes for all eternity.

I don’t put my vote in because I don’t think it matters anymore – nobody would believe I really meant it, anyway, same as it’s going around (yet again) about Vayne being a plant.

Hard numbers are hard numbers and no, people aren’t going to see what they want. As it is only 20% of the polled like/are neutral to the NPE. Hard to twist that into anything else.

A poll is well/badly constructed not on the basis of who made it, but on the answers being biased or not. Not a whole lot of interpretation to be made there too.

Stop coming in and saying that anytime anyone disagrees with you or Vayne it is because people with different opinions are unreasonable or on persecuting you. Thanks.

I have this terribly bad habit of posting and then editing more words in. Sorry about that, consider my posts answered Vayne.

Vayne.8563:

Wolfheart.1938:

You have yet to tell me why the examples I gave aren’t better polls. Not that I know much about them, so if anyone wants to teach me something he’s welcome.

I didn’t say it isn’t a better poll. (snip)

Then it is? Cool, we are making strides towards better polls.

Only thing that baffles me is how you didn’t see the issue when making it. I’m not a poll-guru and it took me 2 seconds to figure out a better alternative. Not that I’m inferring that you are purposefully vague, not at all. I would never dare suggest it.

You have yet to tell me why the examples I gave aren’t better polls. Not that I know much about them, so if anyone wants to teach me something he’s welcome.

Edit:
Also you said that there are about 20 people that hate the changes and are making a storm in a teapot. At this moment from your poll it shows that there are 290 votes for the “absolutely hate” option. Does your point still stand?

It is open to interpretation, which is exactly what a poll doesn’t want. How much is “some adjustments”, especially when taking into consideration people whose english isn’t that good?

You are asking people if they like the system as-is, no reason to include possible changes in the answer. Why are the examples I gave not better, clearer polls?

I think a better poll would be, from 1 (I hate it) to 10 (I love it!) how much do you like the New Player Experience?

Don’t see why include the iffy “with some adjustments” that is open to interpretation. Heck, you could go with 5 options: I love them, I like them, I’m indifferent, I dislike them, I hate them.

There are still plenty of people happy, some of which (very little actually) have been happy for 2 years straight. They will probably be happy as long as these forums exist. Arenanet talks, they are happy. Arenanet is silent, they are happy. Arenanet goes one direction, they are happy. Arenanet go the opposite way, they are happy. Some of them even go around saying that unhappy people are secretly Blizzard employees.

So to answer OP: Yes there are and there will always be happy players. Not that I’m implying that all happy posters are unreasonable, just warning you that there is a very vocal unreasonable minority

chemiclord.3978:

Wolfheart.1938:

Oh lord these forums. I knew something would come up with a defense for trolling from an Arenanet employee.

Nice generalization first of all. Some of the people were rude, some not. You can even see the chat and some are asking him kindly multiple times to move. Some are harassing him.

Second, everyone and their mother knows that that place is used for GvG, so when someone stands in the way for more than 10s you can assume he’s there for trolling and purposefully disrupting the match.

You know, like the “you are violating my game mode” guy was doing.

Since you probably don’t know, my feeling on the matter is that the Arena.net employee in that case crossed the line when he popped his tag. He was not in the right to act in that way… then again, neither were the GvGers really. Both sides behaved inappropriately.

The point I was getting at is that I quite frequently see in these sort of threads a complaint from a player that rather conveniently leaves out information that doesn’t exactly cast them as an innocent victim, either… just like in that famous WvW abuse claim.

If for some reason, an Arena.net GM decided to force a player to disconnect (which would be a really odd way to resolve the situation and more rationally explained by simple coincidence of the ol’ Internet), I am merely curious as to what the accuser ISN’T telling about the story (because by my experience, they always do).

We agree then, sorry for misinterpreting your post.

On the topic at hand, I agree that we might not be hearing the whole story and that at least it was rude of the OP not to move for a second. Besides, this whole thread should be locked and further investigation done by contacting support.

chemiclord.3978:

Kinda like the WvW link provided earlier, the one that conveniently leaves out the portion BEFORE the Arena.net employee pops his tag, the part where the GvGers were harassing this seemingly normal player for daring to be in the same area as their attempt at GvG.

Oh lord these forums. I knew something would come up with a defense for trolling from an Arenanet employee.

Nice generalization first of all. Some of the people were rude, some not. You can even see the chat and some are asking him kindly multiple times to move. Some are harassing him.

Second, everyone and their mother knows that that place is used for GvG, so when someone stands in the way for more than 10s you can assume he’s there for trolling and purposefully disrupting the match.

You know, like the “you are violating my game mode” guy was doing.

Vayne.8563:

Wolfheart.1938:

Vayne.8563:

All MMOs are linear as far as I can tell. Dungeon 1, Dungeon 2, Raid. That’s what it is.

The reduction of the entire MMO genre to the classic themepark PvE-centric model is somewhat naive on your part.

EVE Online is an MMO.

Yep with 500 thousands subs at max. But I was talking about theme park MMOs thanks for pointing that out.

I don’t really see any good reason to compare theme park MMOs to sand box MMOs, or MMOFPSs for that matter.

Sandbox is it’s own thing. It’s not linear by definition. But theme park MMOs, and Guild Wars 2 is very much a themepark, is going to be linear.

Why did you feel the need to point out EVE’s subscriber count? Is it meant to be a jab? Because when GW2 will have 10 years you can bet the population won’t be anywhere near that number.

So we agree that not all MMOs are linear, but themepark ones are. And that GW2 is essentially a themepark one. Cool just wanted to be precise, sorry for being pedantic.

Vayne.8563:

All MMOs are linear as far as I can tell. Dungeon 1, Dungeon 2, Raid. That’s what it is.

The reduction of the entire MMO genre to the classic themepark PvE-centric model is somewhat naive on your part.

EVE Online is an MMO.

Which is not what ESO is, unfortunately

Well, it was clear to me since day 1 that endgame gear wasn’t supposed to be a grind, yet due to popular demand of “more to do” here we are with Ascended. So I don’t see why you think it’s so unlikely that given a big enough demand (mounts & duels come to mind) their plans could change.

Design decisions change all the time. Who are we to decide what is likely and what isn’t? What fits and what doesn’t? It’s not like we have access to design documents.